KP 45

[Henry]

45 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I suggest everyone stop being sad and going on insta,facehead and Twitter to see what other people are doing and enjoy your own life 

 

44 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Can you enlighten me

Quick look suggests they follow each other, like each other’s posts etc. I think people don’t always understand that her Mrs Palmers (other wags) is a platform to sell/advertise goods and services. Not to post about their lives.

45 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I suggest everyone stop being sad and going on insta,facehead and Twitter to see what other people are doing and enjoy your own life 

 

44 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Can you enlighten me

Quick look suggests they follow each other, like each other’s posts etc. I think people don’t always understand that her Mrs Palmers (other wags) is a platform to sell/advertise goods and services. Not to post about their lives.

[nickolas]

19 minutes ago, maxjak said:

' I'm serious........................I agree his level IS League 1.    He will seem like a superstar at that level, bit like Smzodics?  Then.....That's it?

Defo. Showpony thats found out at a higher level. 
When people talk of stealing a living, KP is the ultimate thief, at Championship level. He may earn an ok wage at L1 and earn it as its his level. 

[bpexile]

2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

JET,Jackie and Palmer,the talent was there in all 3,Jackie is a hero to many dispite not doing much when you look back on it and JET was hit and miss,Palmer just seems to like the life of being a pro without actually doing nothing to earn it 

Not to mention Tomlin....................................................................................................oops just did.

[joe jordans teeth]

9 minutes ago, Henry said:

[The Fat Controller]

29 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think Kasey Palmer gets a lot of unfair flak. People seem to jump to assumptions about his attitude but it feels to me their only basis is others’ assumptions about his attitude.

For me, he tries when he plays. I think a major issue is he is a confidence player and you can see when the confidence is not there. But the bigger issue is he just does not fit in with how we want to play. 

Don’t get me wrong. We signed him without a plan and we are now under a third manager that cannot use him. He needs to move for his own sake. But I am not so sure that this is the fault of his failings rather than our poor player acquisition.

A hard disagree for me, I'm afraid. (For what it's worth, I have no idea what his attitude is like.)

In terms of application he is sorely lacking. Last time I saw him play was a 13 minute cameo against Forest. We are 1-0 up and trying(!) to see the game out. KP is the fresh legs and should be the one busting a gut to put the opposition under pressure and he doesn't. He ambled round the pitch and we would have been better off leaving Scott on, who was knackered by that point. 

It's just one example, sure, and I don't blame him for the loss, there's 11 of them out there after all. But I did not see a player there with desire. I did not see a player there willing to work for his teammates or his own place. 

[GrahamC]

26 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

In terms of financial outlay and what he’s actually produced on the pitch - and set against the context of what he did during his loan spell (ie exactly what he’s done since signing permanently) - I’m struggling to think of many worse signings in the club’s history.

Gustav Engvall was around £2m, he never scored a goal for us & we apparently got £250k back when we sold him.

Considering that was in a pre Covid transfer market, I think he was probably worse, but in truth I’m struggling to think of too many others, though Wells cost even more than Palmer & isn’t much better in VFM terms.

[Bristol Oil Services]

41 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

 

Don’t get me wrong. We signed him without a plan and we are now under a third manager that cannot use him. He needs to move for his own sake. But I am not so sure that this is the fault of his failings rather than our poor player acquisition.

He's done that. He's been here, there and Huddersfield. Only one club was stupid enough to sign him on permanently. What will be different when he moves? 

Isn't what is needed is for a shift within Kasey himself.

If someone signs him he will move and change nothing, waiting for football and the world to change instead.

Is my speculative guess with nothing to base it on other than the performances here and the realisation that we've seen all this before, many times.

[TomThumb84]

£14m quid on KP, Jay Dasilva and Kalas.

£14m quid.

Incredible.

Bristol City - we get our VALUE ON THE PITCH.

[BigAl&Toby]

I thought that when we had Tammy on loan and then signed three Chelsea players we were going places.

Then we ****** it up. We’ve got KP wearing a suit the likes of which no other ****** would be seen dead in whilst he models some kit at Ashton Court.

We’ve got an international who drives around in an ugly, ostentatious 4x4 and who’s best contribution recently has been to dry the match ball with a towel.

We’ve got a left back who’s got a lovely song from the 1980s but play with the ball over his head and we’re ******.

And there was me thinking that Steve, Jon and Ashton knew what they were doing……..

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

I thought that when we had Tammy on loan and then signed three Chelsea players we were going places.

Then we ****** it up. We’ve got KP wearing a suit the likes of which no other ****** would be seen dead in whilst he models some kit at Ashton Court.

We’ve got an international who drives around in an ugly, ostentatious 4x4 and who’s best contribution recently has been to dry the match ball with a towel.

We’ve got a left back who’s got a lovely song from the 1980s but play with the ball over his head and we’re ******.

And there was me thinking that Steve, Jon and Ashton knew what they were doing……..

The people at the top are no closer to knowing what they are doing now than they were 20 years ago when it comes to football matters. That’s why in my opinion we have to suck it up and let Nige do what needs to be done over the next couple of seasons.

[alexukhc]

What you on about he played today…

[redsquirrel]

17 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The people at the top are no closer to knowing what they are doing now than they were 20 years ago when it comes to football matters. That’s why in my opinion we have to suck it up and let Nige do what needs to be done over the next couple of seasons.

through all the debates / discussions etc over the last year or so,this best sums up where we are and what needs doing NOW before we fail monumentally

[Simon bristol]

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

Don't worry KP will thrive and find his true level once he signs for  IPSWICH..........

I wouldnt be surprised if he ended up there

[The Constant Rabbit]

[Steve Watts]

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Fevs nailed it by saying that the coach should have a plan. Johnson was like the bloke in Little Britain, I want that one. We had Szmodics, he'd had a good pre season the LJ said "I want that one" and I really believe it was just because Swansea showed interest. It worked at times, and when we had Afobe & Weimann it looked really promising . OK, we lost Afobe, but you find a replacement and if you can't you change focus. Not sure we did either. It comes down to focus, I would have kept KP in, played runners and given him movement ahead of him and I honestly think he'd shine. That said, I don't think he's helped himself. We was given praise for asking to play for the U23's, then wandered around looking like he thought he was above it all.
I have no doubt he is a very good player, but needs a team to suit his attributes . We ain't that team. His vision and passing is wasted with us, very little movement and very little control of the ball. We need workmen who will put in a shift, at one time I thought he was doing it, but obviously Pearson doesn't agree.

Was he a Johnson signing though? There were plenty of people on here calling for the club to sign him. Seemed to me like it was an Ashton signing designed to get showered with adulation and stroke the ego.

35 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

And there was me thinking that Steve, Jon and Ashton knew what they were doing……..

You thought Ashton knew what he was doing?!?

12 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

What you on about he played today…

Is it just me that sees this as a "they all look the same to me" style of comment?!?

 

I think he'll end up flitting between the championship and league one. I think he'd boss many league one teams in the way JET did. That would see him secure a move to the championship where he'll again flatter to deceive and find himself back in league one where he'd boss many...... Etc etc ad infinitum.

[1960maaan]

6 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

Was he a Johnson signing though? There were plenty of people on here calling for the club to sign him. Seemed to me like it was an Ashton signing designed to get showered with adulation and stroke the ego.

Johnson happily said he signed off all the arrivals . I wouldn't be surprised if Ashton had a hand in it though. Very strange given that we had gone through most of pre-season with the one player signed for the role. 

[Fammyfan]

I struggle to put my finger on it with KP. He’s got ability but he seems so one dimensional, there’s been a lack of development. The last couple of seasons we’ve been really weak in centre midfield and there was an opportunity for him to capitalise but he’s been nowhere near it. To me, it comes across that he knows how he wants to play and hasn’t had the desire to adapt his game.

 

I really struggle to understand how our previous management preached about players having the right DNA and such a misjudgement was made after a 3 month loan spell.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Fammyfan

[Davefevs]

12 minutes ago, Steve Watts said:

Was he a Johnson signing though? There were plenty of people on here calling for the club to sign him. Seemed to me like it was an Ashton signing designed to get showered with adulation and stroke the ego.

One of my mates is the most ardent LJ fan ever and has some ITK status in the past…and even he admits LJ wanted KP.

”give me the summer with Kasey…blah, blah, blah”.

Im sure LJ wanted him, another chance to show what he could do with a mercurial loan signing if he had them permanently.  He didn’t learn from Tomlin, although a bit different in personality and ability….but similar principle.  A weakness of LJ that he always felt he had to prove something, an insecurity of his actual ability, especially man-management imho.

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, TomThumb84 said:

£14m quid on KP, Jay Dasilva and Kalas.

£14m quid.

Incredible.

Bristol City - we get our VALUE ON THE PITCH.

Kalas was £8m, but we sold Webster for £20m & so bought him as a result.

Dasilva was £2.5m, so I’m really struggling with your point as to what exactly was wrong with those deals.

Palmer was a terrible deal, but can’t see the problem elsewhere.

[Taz]

6 hours ago, EmersonsKev said:

I had this chat with a friend earlier this week. 

 

Did anyone see anything from his loan spell to think he was worth spending a rumoured £3m/£4m and sizable wages on? 

 

A total head scratch signing for me. 

Complete ego signing (Ashton and Johnson combined).

The talent is there, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to click. Between MA and LJ they thought they may be able to get him firing on all cylinders (despite an ok loan period,  not groundbreaking though), and be able to turn a big profit from him.

As it is, I think we'll do well to get his wages off the book, as we'll never make the money back. 

I do wonder if it was a case of you can have Kalas, Dasilva and Palmer for £x, because to me, KP has always looked an OK player at best.

[BTRFTG]

As we:

Aren't at home;

Winning 3-0;

Have less that 5 mins to play;

..why would he even be considered?

 

[Davefevs]

34 minutes ago, Taz said:

Complete ego signing (Ashton and Johnson combined).

The talent is there, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to click. Between MA and LJ they thought they may be able to get him firing on all cylinders (despite an ok loan period,  not groundbreaking though), and be able to turn a big profit from him.

As it is, I think we'll do well to get his wages off the book, as we'll never make the money back. 

I do wonder if it was a case of you can have Kalas, Dasilva and Palmer for £x, because to me, KP has always looked an OK player at best.

They all signed at different times.

In the case of Kalas (the middle signing) I’m sure we paid a bit over the odds because we got Dasilva cheap (at the time).

[Rocking Red Cyril]

4 hours ago, Mr Chappers said:

Not a chance, he hasn’t been great, and no clubs outside the PL will be paying big money after Covid losses, and risk of further restrictions 

Well of he goes and we lose money does that not take away from allowing us to buy some one better 

[Supersonic Robin]

7 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Well if he goes and we lose money does that not take away from allowing us to buy some one better 

I suppose it's a case of damage limitation at this point.

We're pretty much guaranteed to lose money on Palmer, but we're better off losing a bit of money rather than a lot of money (especially if he can't even get anywhere near the matchday squad)

[Superjack]

Show pony.

Said it from the start.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I suppose it's a case of damage limitation at this point.

We're pretty much guaranteed to lose money on Palmer, but we're better off losing a bit of money rather than a lot of money (especially if he can't even get anywhere near the matchday squad)

And if we going to be off loading JD as well as might be and we lose on him . Our transfer and wage pot is going down again 

[Supersonic Robin]

Just now, Rocking Red Cyril said:

And if we going to be off loading JD as well as might be and we lose on him . Our transfer and wage pot is going down again 

Personally I wouldn't be in such a hurry to get rid of Jay DaSilva (understand that NP may feel differently though). In reality, I think Palmer will be the hard one to shift - I can't really see why any team would take him. Those that could afford him wouldn't want him, and those that would want him couldn't afford him.

Technically, offloading these players (even on frees) will be decreasing our wage bill and hence increasing our "wage pot", but yeah.....in the grand scheme of things it is still a sh*t tonne of money wasted

[RobintheRed Red]

Hes down Nigel's house

[Oh Louie louie]

Palmer and dasilva been sat in the stand every other week neigh on three years now.

If i was nige, id send these prima donnas to i dunno kilmarnock on loan.

20k a week, doesnt even want to be here.

[sh1t_ref_again]

11 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think Kasey Palmer gets a lot of unfair flak. People seem to jump to assumptions about his attitude but it feels to me their only basis is others’ assumptions about his attitude.

For me, he tries when he plays. I think a major issue is he is a confidence player and you can see when the confidence is not there. But the bigger issue is he just does not fit in with how we want to play. 

Don’t get me wrong. We signed him without a plan and we are now under a third manager that cannot use him. He needs to move for his own sake. But I am not so sure that this is the fault of his failings rather than our poor player acquisition.

We all know he has talent, but how many managers have now not played him, suggests a bit more to it, even Swansea who should of suited him he could not get in the team

[Tinmans Love Child]

6 hours ago, Superjack said:

Show pony.

Said it from the start.

A show pony who rarely puts on a show!

[Taz]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

They all signed at different times.

In the case of Kalas (the middle signing) I’m sure we paid a bit over the odds because we got Dasilva cheap (at the time).

True, but you know what Ashton was like, anything for a deal. As you say Dasilva was stupidly cheap but Palmer in comparison was a terrible deal.

[Major Isewater]

10 hours ago, BigAl&Toby said:

We’ve got KP wearing a suit the likes of which no other ****** would be seen dead in whilst he models some kit at Ashton Court.

 

It looks like he used the material from my Nan’s sofa for the suit.

( A sort of three piece suite suit) 

[1960maaan]

I still say with a quick mobile striker or two in front of him , he could shine. Here he's mostly had Fam & Martin. A short spell with Afobe & Weimann where the whole team looked better, but injury put paid to that. 

Getting rid of him will be difficult. Who is going to pay him the suggested £20k a week ? No one ! That means even if we give him away we will have to cover a large percentage of the wage. The other way it could go is him winding his contract down, in his position there is no way I'd walk away from a lucrative contract.  

Last year he did try and start putting himself around, but a big part of his game is seeing and playing a pass . With our static forward line he has no outlet. The most likely outcome IMO, loaned out until the end of the year , us paying his wages but at least he would be hopefully playing. 

[old_eastender]

Just to buck the trend I'd rather have KP in midfield than Bakinson or Weimann. Clearly though him and JD are done here, question of whether we can offload in Jan I guess.

[TomThumb84]

9 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Kalas was £8m, but we sold Webster for £20m & so bought him as a result.

Dasilva was £2.5m, so I’m really struggling with your point as to what exactly was wrong with those deals.

Palmer was a terrible deal, but can’t see the problem elsewhere.

So pound for pound you think we have seen £8m worth from Kalas, and £2.5m worth for Jay Dasilva?

I would expect any side spending £10.5m on half a back four to be firmly top 6 material if not top 2.

One of them has been patchy, and has been relinquished of a burden of captaincy in a side that leaked goals phenomenally, and the other cannot get in a side within a club that contains zero other left-backs.

You see nothing wrong with those deals?

Blimey.

These two signings are indicative of the wild, ego-driven transfer policy that has seen us scraping around with a squad of overpaid non-assets.

If you sign individuals with no idea how to build a team then this is what happens.

Edited December 12, 2021 by TomThumb84

[Bodiesaffer]

15 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

JET,Jackie and Palmer,the talent was there in all 3,Jackie is a hero to many dispite not doing much when you look back on it and JET was hit and miss,Palmer just seems to like the life of being a pro without actually doing nothing to earn it 

Jet was quality with a good return on goals, a so called Luxury Player just not good enough for the Prem, it’s his style which confused many by being lazy.   Jackie banged everyone’s misses so I’ve been told.  
Palmer thinks he’s better than what he is imo.

[GrahamC]

21 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said:

So pound for pound you think we have seen £8m worth from Kalas, and £2.5m worth for Jay Dasilva?

I would expect any side spending £10.5m on half a back four to be firmly top 6 material if not top 2.

One of them has been patchy, and has been relinquished of a burden of captaincy in a side that leaked goals phenomenally, and the other cannot get in a side within a club that contains zero other left-backs.

You see nothing wrong with those deals?

Blimey.

These two signings are indicative of the wild, ego-driven transfer policy that has seen us scraping around with a squad of overpaid non-assets.

If you sign individuals with no idea how to build a team then this is what happens.

At the time we signed them, (a time when we sold Webster for £20m), yes.

 I think it is incredible hindsight to say that Dasilva, only 23 now & an England U21 left back wasn’t a good deal at £2.5m, particularly as we sold Lloyd Kelly for £15m in that era.

I believe Kalas is a bottom six Prem central defender, he has a good availability record, an excellent attitude & for me clearly our best player.

Would we pay that fee now? No, because COVID has decimated the transfer market at our level, but I believe it was a good deal at the time.

[SuperDziek]

1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

A show pony who rarely puts on a show!

So he’s pony. Sounds about right!

[bcfcredandwhite]

14 hours ago, SuperDziek said:

Maybe a loan to Sunderland in Jan to be reunited with LJ. 
 

Or to MAITFC to be reunited with The Ego. 

LJ didn’t even want him here, so I’d be surprised if he ended up with him at Sunderland.  

[The Swan and Cemetery]

48 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

At the time we signed them, (a time when we sold Webster for £20m), yes.

 I think it is incredible hindsight to say that Dasilva, only 23 now & an England U21 left back wasn’t a good deal at £2.5m, particularly as we sold Lloyd Kelly for £15m in that era.

I believe Kalas is a bottom six Prem central defender, he has a good availability record, an excellent attitude & for me clearly our best player.

Would we pay that fee now? No, because COVID has decimated the transfer market at our level, but I believe it was a good deal at the time.

Agree, no way Kalas and Dasilva were bad purchases at the time. Kalas remains a good one, just purchased at the wrong point in the market, but not sure many were predicting a global pandemic and for the fee, Dasilva might still come good, but clearly way behind Kalas in terms of delivering. Palmer looked a more dubious signing at the time as well as now, although even with him, we were crying out for some creativity and it wasn’t ludicrous to think he could have been the one, so a gamble rather than an obviously bad decision at the time. 

[Bristol Oil Services]

9 hours ago, Superjack said:

Show pony.

2 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

A show pony 

26 minutes ago, SuperDziek said:

So he’s pony. 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

 neigh 

 

[redsquirrel]

i dont know why kp is out of it so wont guess but if he does have to go,surely it would benefit him and the club to have him match fit,who wants a player that will take weeks to get up to speed.  maybe a few u23 games if it is an attitude problem,

[cidered abroad]

9 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I suppose it's a case of damage limitation at this point.

We're pretty much guaranteed to lose money on Palmer, but we're better off losing a bit of money rather than a lot of money (especially if he can't even get anywhere near the matchday squad)

It's probably not the loss on what we spent two years ago that will be a problem. That is history.

More importantly, it is the wage saving that will allow us to bring in a couple or three promising 22/24 year olds with total wages less than Palmer.

With an added benefit that all newcomers will be putting everything into building a career rather than like, KP already a millionaire on Chelsea pay levels, before he came here!

[Mr Roper]

16 hours ago, BigTone said:

Reminds me of JET. Plenty of ability but no interest in applying himself to the job at hand. Totally stolen a wage from BCFC.

Not like JET at all in my opinion  . Loved watching JET always trying to create something ,lots of skill ,also v strong .Ok he wasnt going to chase back but was always a presense on the pitch .Must have been a nightmare to play agaiinst . KP nowhere nr as good .

[Oh Louie louie]

No decent teams coming in for any of our squad players.

Look where watkins and taylor moore went to get a game!

Who on earth would take them?

 

 

[Sleepy1968]

The best we'll ever do with KP45 is to get a league one team desperate to get into the play offs to take a gamble on a loan until the end of the season. We'd be extremely lucky if they ponied up £5k a week for the privilage.

[big dosser]

i think we are forgetting kp on and off the pitch had a great bond with benik.i feel with everything that happened to benik hit kp hard which i feel started his downfall. I have no doubts there is a quality player in there somewhere but sadly not with us. But one thing kp is no better or no worse than what we got.

[Gazred]

Talented waster ultimately. Never owns the shirt and has had plenty of chances under multiple managers here.

He has all the technical and physical attributes to be a top player in this division. There is something not right there in terms of mentality or attitude.

I think he falls well short of Pearson's expectation levels.

Will he get 1 more chance before Jan? I think not. 

Not financially easy to move on, loan or perm but he is a flair player and that might appeal to the right side who could afford the luxury. 

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, redsquirrel said:

i dont know why kp is out of it so wont guess but if he does have to go,surely it would benefit him and the club to have him match fit,who wants a player that will take weeks to get up to speed.  maybe a few u23 games if it is an attitude problem,

It would surely, in the succinct words of @Banjo Red, benefit Kasey if he "pulled his finger out his ass." If Banjo's plain, blunt advice was good enough for SL the other week, it's good enough for Kasey P45. In my uninformed and not entirely humble opinion.

[petehinton]

Heard he Got injured working with a PT over the summer, injured at the start of the season for the first few games but played through. Seeked external treatment for said injury rather than use our own medical team because of the history of last season, caused a bit of tension so might’ve spiralled from there!

Somethings definitely happened for NP to go from praising his character and attitude to totally binned off in the space of 4 weeks

[LondonBristolian]

4 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

We all know he has talent, but how many managers have now not played him, suggests a bit more to it, even Swansea who should of suited him he could not get in the team

I think the bit more to it is the general decline of the attacking midfield role and the fact that changes to the game mean that, even when no 10s are used, the type of player is different. We’ve seen the same with players like Dele Alli, who has the world at his feet three years ago only for the game to evolve around him and he be left behind. 
 

Ultimately Palmer is a man out of time and out of fashion. 

[bearded_red]

For all of the debate about him, he’s just not very good.

Nonsense signing.

[petehinton]

2 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

LJ didn’t even want him here, so I’d be surprised if he ended up with him at Sunderland.  

Said a few times that he wanted all 3 Chelsea players to sign permanently and ‘would love’ to have Palmer with a proper pre season with him, or words to that effect 

[Spike]

The issue with KP is purely down to style. I honestly believe if you put him in a team that played 4-4-1-1 with a solid all round striker infront of him you'd see a totally different player. 

I don't think it's a case of KP is a bad player, I think it's more a case of he's a very niche player who will not shine unless the tactics suit him, rather than him having to adapt to the tactics. 

I see him as a luxury player, he's the type of attacking midfielder /forward who would shine in the right system, the issue is we'll never be in that position to use that system and so when he's given a chance he struggles to find his place. 

As much as it sucks to think about it I think when he signed he would have fitted perfectly with the players we had around him had we then converted our playstyle and played him consistently, however, we didn't and we've moved away from that style with the sales of players making him surplus to requirements. What does concern me is us ending up selling him off cheap due to financial situation and the current playstyle only for a good club with the right playstyle to get an absolute steal. I do wonder if he'll end up going on a free as his contract runs out and then his the ground running elsewhere but at the same time he's a risky purchase if you pay any fee that we may ask for meaning he's stuck in a situation where we can't get the best out of him, we can't risk selling him too cheap only for him to go to a rival and start shining and his contact is ticking away.

[Red-Robbo]

20 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

For all of the debate about him, he’s just not very good.

Nonsense signing.

 

Kind of have to agree. He has his moments and can deliver a killer pass, but ultimately he switches off, doesn't track back, loses the ball easily, rarely tackles, and doesn't seem to keep up with play for long periods of the game.

The killer passes that impress come far too irregularly to justify either his wages or the money we paid for him.

I honestly think if he hadn't had that bloody awful song we'd have let him go back to Chelsea.  "Oh he's a fans' favourite, let's buy him"....

[Roger Red Hat]

10 minutes ago, Spike said:

I don't think it's a case of KP is a bad player,

.....It's just that NO manager/coach can get him to perform.

He's a bad professional.

[bcfcredandwhite]

16 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Said a few times that he wanted all 3 Chelsea players to sign permanently and ‘would love’ to have Palmer with a proper pre season with him, or words to that effect 

I heard (admittedly through a forum like this) that KP was an example of Ashton buying players then dumping them on LJ. 
That could be rubbish and you could be correct, but KP was dropped pretty soon after Afobe got injured and barely played again under LJ - in fact he was loaned to Swansea under LJs tenure, so LJ obviously didn’t rate him much. 

[richyy66]

Reckon he will end up at Millwall on loan.  Back in London and reunited with his best mate Benik Afobe.  A move that would suit both parties.

 

[Spike]

5 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

.....It's just that NO manager/coach can get him to perform.

He's a bad professional.

This is a fair point to a degree but again, he started off at Chelsea where he was never going to be played and until he came here he's only ever been loaned out. As a professional I'd say we only know what we've seen and I'm all fairness I don't think he's ever been given a prolonged run in a team that plays to his strengths. I think his previous loans were pretty much "we'll take him and see if he works for us" loans or which he wasn't used to his strengths and with us we've never had the right tactics /play style to compliment him. I think he permanent signing showed that we could see where his strengths are and we were building a team that would compliment him until we sold a few of them to generate big money and he became surplus. 

At 25 I think most clubs see him as a player who has /had so much potential but he wasn't given the time in the right surroundings to develop it and at this point he's "too old" to go on to fully reach that potential. 

In terms of his professionalism I'm still undecided. Many say he's lazy and looks uninterested but when I was younger the same was said about Andy Cole on his arrival, only for them to realise he was actually an incredibly perseptive player who only ran when he knew he'd get to the ball. Some argued that he should chase anyway just incase players panicked on the ball and he could make the most of it but soon changed their tune when they saw how quick he was compared to other strikers in his latter part of the match because he didn't chase himself tired needlessly. 

Looking at Kasey I can see a real talent and I can also see a frustrated man who is always being critiqued despite the fact noone ever plays him to his strengths but they expect him to change games. 

[steviestevieneville]

18 hours ago, Swede said:

I guess I am in the minority here but I firmly believed the way forward was with KP45, with Afobe in tandem. While I would admit he's lost his way since, there is so much talent in abundance just simply going to waste.

He has to look at himself but I also think it's up to the coaches to find the key to unlock the undoubted potential & get the best out of each & every player in the squad and that includes KP45.

 

 

It’s a mental thing with him not physical . I have no doubt he’s a decent lad . However & it’s just my opinion , that being given a ridiculous wage at a young age has done for him. I don’t think he has the hunger to succeed . He’s a millionaire at 24 . Too much too young imo . 

[BigTone]

3 hours ago, Mr Roper said:

Not like JET at all in my opinion  . Loved watching JET always trying to create something ,lots of skill ,also v strong .Ok he wasnt going to chase back but was always a presense on the pitch .Must have been a nightmare to play agaiinst . KP nowhere nr as good .

My point was more about application than anything else

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I heard (admittedly through a forum like this) that KP was an example of Ashton buying players then dumping them on LJ. 
That could be rubbish and you could be correct, but KP was dropped pretty soon after Afobe got injured and barely played again under LJ - in fact he was loaned to Swansea under LJs tenure, so LJ obviously didn’t rate him much. 

Fact Check - untrue

Fact - was loaned to Swansea under Holden

When LJ says (paraphrased because I can’t recall the exact quote) at the end of KP’s loan - “give me a pre-season with Kasey and I’ll get him playing” I kinda take that to think that the manager rates him and wanted to sign him.

[Roger Red Hat]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Looking at Kasey I can see a real talent and I can also see a frustrated man who is always being critiqued despite the fact noone ever plays him to his strengths but they expect him to change games. 

Surely it's all about playing to the team's strength, with everybody pulling together in the right direction. KP has been loaned out several times, Huddersfield and Blackburn come to mind, before he came here. Neither wanted to take him on, we did FFS, and then proceeded to loan him out!  Also he never made any impression at Swansea.

[Red7]

2 hours ago, richyy66 said:

Reckon he will end up at Millwall on loan.  Back in London and reunited with his best mate Benik Afobe.  A move that would suit both parties.

In the limited number of times we saw Palmer playing with Afobe, it seemed like Afobe was making runs that suited Palmer's range of passing. I don't think that Weimann, Wells and Martin make the same kind of runs as Afobe. Not saying that Palmer is blameless for some, indeed many, of his performances, but Afobe certainly seemed to be a good match for him.

[bcfcredandwhite]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Fact Check - untrue

Fact - was loaned to Swansea under Holden

When LJ says (paraphrased because I can’t recall the exact quote) at the end of KP’s loan - “give me a pre-season with Kasey and I’ll get him playing” I kinda take that to think that the manager rates him and wanted to sign him.

Fair enough - I was going from (poor) memory. 
in that case let’s hope LJ still wants him

[BS4 on Tour...]

23 hours ago, Henry said:

Not on the bus.

 

23 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Don't think he's even waiting at the depot.

“Love left me stranded at the station, and the last train’s gone by, what was once Holy Water, now tastes like bitter wine” - the public transport-inspired words of Jon Bon Jovi seem to ring true regarding KP ...

[petehinton]

4 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I heard (admittedly through a forum like this) that KP was an example of Ashton buying players then dumping them on LJ. 
That could be rubbish and you could be correct, but KP was dropped pretty soon after Afobe got injured and barely played again under LJ - in fact he was loaned to Swansea under LJs tenure, so LJ obviously didn’t rate him much. 

Played 20 odd times after Afobe’s injury still, and was loaned out under Holden

[GrahamC]

4 hours ago, bearded_red said:

For all of the debate about him, he’s just not very good.

Nonsense signing.

Yep, it’s this.

4 hours ago, richyy66 said:

Reckon he will end up at Millwall on loan.  Back in London and reunited with his best mate Benik Afobe.  A move that would suit both parties.

 

Why on earth would Rowett want him? 

Unsuccessful loans at Derby, Blackburn, Swansea & us, no Championship club will now touch him, IMO.

[Major Isewater]

5 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Ultimately Palmer is a man out of time and out of fashion. 

Certainly ‘out of fashion’ my Bob who wears a suit made out of sofa material  ?