Not going Saturday

[Kid in the Riot]

8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

That figure has been debated long and hard elsewhere - so I’d refer you to that discussion, although I’d highlight once again that someone I know died from being electrocuted at work and his death was put down as a Covid death because he’d tested positive a month before his untimely death.

Don’t you think there is now hysteria over this omicron variant? Do you think it is warranted? Reports today suggested there were 16 people in hospital in the UK with omicron and there has been one death - a guy in his seventies who was unvaccinated and died ‘with’ not ‘from’ omicron - South Africa (from where the omicron variant apparently originated) has now reported they are ‘over the peak’ and the number of deaths from omicron over there? Zero ... 

A guy I work with, and his wife, are both isolating at home with omicron right now - they both have underlying health issues, however, he sent me a text saying he ‘feels a bit under the weather but he’s had worse colds’ - I would never underestimate or belittle anyone’s experiences during this pandemic, but I can only draw my own conclusions from the personal experiences I go through and to which I am exposed ... and in many ways, ‘hysteria’ is an appropriate word to sum up some things right now ... I totally get, and respect, that you may feel different and that’s obviously perfectly fine - have a great weekend

I don't see much hysteria, no.

I see the CMO and other senior medical officials simply warning that there is a strong chance that with no measures put in place the NHS will likely be significantly overwhelmed this winter, with many people dying, including one's that could have otherwise been avoided.

If you are just relying on personal experience then there's a good chance you have a very narrow view of the situation. 

January is traditionally one of the busiest months for hospitals as it is, and we have a new - vaccine resistant (first two jabs) - variant of covid going through the population faster than previous ones. Doesn't take a genius to work out there should be a level of concern as to what is happening, or what might be about to happen. 

Evidence is still pointing to it being milder, and the most recent paper I saw is suggesting it doesn't attack the lungs as aggressively. Hopefully good news, but there's still enough reasons to be cautious. 

[Sir Geoff]

7 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

That is a very interesting proposition.

Just think, if we were to enable trained medical staff from Europe to come and work in the UK with no restrictions, it would surely help the current labour shortage in the NHS.

Perhaps we could even extend this offer to HGV drivers and other areas in which we are suffering a labour shortage; fruit and vegetable workers, nursing auxiliary staff, for instance.

I wonder if anybody in Government has actually thought of that and, if so, what the response of our European friends might be.

I wonder what the response of the anglophone, pro-Brexit French President might be were we to propose a simple, no tariff trade and labour agreement.

Finally, I wonder how many of the tens of thousands of people who crossed the Channel in flimsy dinghies this year are suitably trained and qualified to assist our understaffed NHS, and would be more than willing to do so, but are not allowed to work (legally) so ‘disappear’ and end up working ( clandestinely, thus illegally) on building sites, in sweat shops, nail bars or, shamefully, in underground brothels.

 

or we could cut the benefits of the 1.42 million freeloaders (not all I grant you), claiming unemployment benefit and train them for these jobs instead.

[Waconda]

27 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

or we could cut the benefits of the 1.42 million freeloaders (not all I grant you), claiming unemployment benefit and train them for these jobs instead.

Or we could cut the billions in "corporate welfare" handed out to big business to subsidise their failing business models and tax avoidance.

The covid crisis proves that corporate welfare is the rule rather than the exception. We desperately need a new social contract* – Corporate Welfare Watch (corporate-welfare-watch.org.uk)

 

Cut benefits? Yes, let’s start with our £85bn corporate welfare handout | Aditya Chakrabortty | The Guardian

Edited December 18, 2021 by VT05763

[Harry]

47 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't see much hysteria, no.

I see the CMO and other senior medical officials simply warning that there is a strong chance that with no measures put in place the NHS will likely be significantly overwhelmed this winter, with many people dying, including one's that could have otherwise been avoided.

If you are just relying on personal experience then there's a good chance you have a very narrow view of the situation. 

January is traditionally one of the busiest months for hospitals as it is, and we have a new - vaccine resistant (first two jabs) - variant of covid going through the population faster than previous ones. Doesn't take a genius to work out there should be a level of concern as to what is happening, or what might be about to happen. 

Evidence is still pointing to it being milder, and the most recent paper I saw is suggesting it doesn't attack the lungs as aggressively. Hopefully good news, but there's still enough reasons to be cautious. 

Hi mate. 
Regarding the 3rd vaccine. You’ve mentioned that the new variant is resistant to the first 2 shots. 
Now, I will hold my hands up and say I don’t know the ins and outs about how these things work, but from what I read, the first 2 vaccines were specifically designed to be able to attack the spike protein, also known as the S-Gene. 
With the new variant, they are confirming on the testing that you are positive for it if the test has S-Gene dropout. Basically meaning that the test hasn’t picked up evidence of the Spike Protein but only the other two primers, and that’s what makes it different to testing positive for the Delta variant. 
As far as I am aware, the 3rd vaccine contains exactly the same code as the previous 2, and is therefore designed to attack the S-Gene. 

So, given that a positive test for Omicron means there is no S-Gene and that the 3rd vaccine is designed to attack the S-Gene, how does the 3rd vaccine protect against omicron which doesn’t show the S-Gene it is supposed to attack? If there is no S-Gene to attack, what will it do instead?  
 

I’m sure there’s a a very good science behind it that I don’t really understand, so it would be good to get comment from anyone on here who knows more about this stuff than myself. Certainly RedRobbo usually has his finger on the trigger with this stuff. 
 

*note - This isn’t an anti-vax post. This is a genuine question over how the 3rd shot will work against the new variant when it’s stated that the first and second don’t. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by Harry

[Jacki]

I’ve been coerced into going, against my better judgement, by my kids. We’re going to mask up when queueing to get in, get off the concourse and to our seats as soon as possible and head to the Lansdown upper so we have plenty of empty space around us. Our tickets are in S82 but I don’t fancy being crammed in there with everything that’s going  on.

Hooefully no stewards will be bothered to stop us moving seats. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

2 minutes ago, Jacki said:

 

Hooefully no stewards will be bothered to stop us moving seats. 

Think there will be plenty of spare seats to pick from

[City oz]

11 hours ago, City Rocker said:

No, what we clearly should be doing is forming some kind of union with our fellow European nations, enabling free movement so that we have a chance of recruiting enough skilled and qualified staff to the NHS. And while we're at it, maybe we could have a go at frictionless trade?!

European nations have not got the volume of extra nurses and doctors. They are probably worse off than the UK. It is a dire situation across the world. I appreciate your comments but to me they are like taking my dog to the beach and by the way my dogs name is shark. 

 

[Jacki]

Just now, sh1t_ref_again said:

Think there will be plenty of spare seats to pick from

That’s what we figured. Sitting up there, in the fresh air, with pretty much a block to ourselves seems like a pretty safe option to me. 

[ChippenhamRed]

9 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

That figure has been debated long and hard elsewhere - so I’d refer you to that discussion, although I’d highlight once again that someone I know died from being electrocuted at work and his death was put down as a Covid death because he’d tested positive a month before his untimely death.

Don’t you think there is now hysteria over this omicron variant? Do you think it is warranted? Reports today suggested there were 16 people in hospital in the UK with omicron and there has been one death - a guy in his seventies who was unvaccinated and died ‘with’ not ‘from’ omicron - South Africa (from where the omicron variant apparently originated) has now reported they are ‘over the peak’ and the number of deaths from omicron over there? Zero ... 

A guy I work with, and his wife, are both isolating at home with omicron right now - they both have underlying health issues, however, he sent me a text saying he ‘feels a bit under the weather but he’s had worse colds’ - I would never underestimate or belittle anyone’s experiences during this pandemic, but I can only draw my own conclusions from the personal experiences I go through and to which I am exposed ... and in many ways, ‘hysteria’ is an appropriate word to sum up some things right now ... I totally get, and respect, that you may feel different and that’s obviously perfectly fine - have a great weekend

When you say “this figure has been debated long and hard elsewhere”, what you actually mean is it has been categorically demonstrated to you that it is actually an underestimate.

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/215017-vaccine-passport-plan-b/&do=findComment&comment=4267366

And I’ve also explained to you how your friend’s death would have been recorded.

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/215017-vaccine-passport-plan-b/&do=findComment&comment=4267366

So please stop perpetuating the myth that Covid deaths are overstated. That’s total bollocks. Oh and please also stop saying no one has died from Omicron in South Africa - again, total bollocks; they are being hospitalised, and they are dying (at a lower rate):

 

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, Jacki said:

I’ve been coerced into going, against my better judgement, by my kids. We’re going to mask up when queueing to get in, get off the concourse and to our seats as soon as possible and head to the Lansdown upper so we have plenty of empty space around us. Our tickets are in S82 but I don’t fancy being crammed in there with everything that’s going  on.

Hooefully no stewards will be bothered to stop us moving seats. 

Will be lots of seats in S18 towards the back for sure.

[Waconda]

2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

When you say “this figure has been debated long and hard elsewhere”, what you actually mean is it has been categorically demonstrated to you that it is actually an underestimate.

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/215017-vaccine-passport-plan-b/&do=findComment&comment=4267366

And I’ve also explained to you how your friend’s death would have been recorded.

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/215017-vaccine-passport-plan-b/&do=findComment&comment=4267366

So please stop perpetuating the myth that Covid deaths are overstated. That’s total bollocks. Oh and please also stop saying no one has died from Omicron in South Africa - again, total bollocks; they are being hospitalised, and they are dying (at a lower rate):

 

Excess deaths tells you al you need to know.

If anything the COVID death rates are underestimated.

[GTFABM]

Been a season ticket for as long as i can remember and very rarely miss a game. Won’t be going today or for a few of the next because of the birth of my first baby 10 days ago. Perfect timing to be missing a few with the whole covid situation so was an easy decision. Won’t be long and my little man will be down the gate with me! COYR

[Kid in the Riot]

37 minutes ago, Harry said:

Hi mate. 
Regarding the 3rd vaccine. You’ve mentioned that the new variant is resistant to the first 2 shots. 
Now, I will hold my hands up and say I don’t know the ins and outs about how these things work, but from what I read, the first 2 vaccines were specifically designed to be able to attack the spike protein, also known as the S-Gene. 
With the new variant, they are confirming on the testing that you are positive for it if the test has S-Gene dropout. Basically meaning that the test hasn’t picked up evidence of the Spike Protein but only the other two primers, and that’s what makes it different to testing positive for the Delta variant. 
As far as I am aware, the 3rd vaccine contains exactly the same code as the previous 2, and is therefore designed to attack the S-Gene. 

So, given that a positive test for Omicron means there is no S-Gene and that the 3rd vaccine is designed to attack the S-Gene, how does the 3rd vaccine protect against omicron which doesn’t show the S-Gene it is supposed to attack? If there is no S-Gene to attack, what will it do instead?  
 

I’m sure there’s a a very good science behind it that I don’t really understand, so it would be good to get comment from anyone on here who knows more about this stuff than myself. Certainly RedRobbo usually has his finger on the trigger with this stuff. 
 

*note - This isn’t an anti-vax post. This is a genuine question over how the 3rd shot will work against the new variant when it’s stated that the first and second don’t. 

Yep, don't know the specific answer you're looking for. All I know is that the initial "real world" studies have thus far shown the booster to give much better immunity against Omicron.

Must admit, I had assumed it was purely for the reason that most people that have had the booster will have obviously only had it in the last few months, and so have better immunity purely because they have received the shot more recently. 

Those that had their second shot in say, March, will clearly have much reduced protection from covid now. 

If there is a more technical reason though then @Dr Balls may know!

[Harry]

14 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Yep, don't know the specific answer you're looking for. All I know is that the initial "real world" studies have thus far shown the booster to give much better immunity against Omicron.

Must admit, I had assumed it was purely for the reason that most people that have had the booster will have obviously only had it in the last few months, and so have better immunity purely because they have received the shot more recently. 

Those that had their second shot in say, March, will clearly have much reduced protection from covid now. 

If there is a more technical reason though then @Dr Balls may know!

Yep. I just think that, to the ‘layman’ such as myself, the 3rd one does the same as 1 & 2, and is specifically designed to attack the S-Gene, which apparently doesn’t show up on the omicron positive tests. Just seems strange how a vaccine designed to attack the S Gene would work any better given there is no S Gene visible on the test, regardless of when someone received it? 
That’s not to say that the 3rd one won’t still protect against Delta, but I just can’t see why it would protect against Omicron if it’s the same shot as 1 & 2. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by Harry

[Kid in the Riot]

12 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. I just think that, to the ‘layman’ such as myself, the 3rd one does the same as 1 & 2, and is specifically designed to attack the S-Gene, which apparently doesn’t show up on the omicron positive tests. Just seems strange how a vaccine designed to attack the S Gene would work any better given there is no S Gene visible on the test, regardless of when someone received it? 
That’s not to say that the 3rd one will still protect against Delta, but I just can’t see why it would protect against Omicron of it’s the same shot as 1 & 2. 

Don't know. There are things in medicine that appear to defy logic though. For example, antibiotics designed to treat infections, often help cure viruses. 

Regards the booster and omicron, it may be because the booster helps suppress the symptoms of covid, and ultimately both delta, Omicron, and indeed all covid variant symptoms are pretty similar I.e. continuous cough, fever, muscle aches etc

Edit: regarding my first point, as antibiotics can't kill viruses, one thing the government should be investing/researching a lot more is antivirals to treat covid. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by Kid in the Riot

[redsquirrel]

could it be the s gene is missing because the vaccines have already dealt with it?

[Waconda]

21 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. I just think that, to the ‘layman’ such as myself, the 3rd one does the same as 1 & 2, and is specifically designed to attack the S-Gene, which apparently doesn’t show up on the omicron positive tests. Just seems strange how a vaccine designed to attack the S Gene would work any better given there is no S Gene visible on the test, regardless of when someone received it? 
That’s not to say that the 3rd one won’t still protect against Delta, but I just can’t see why it would protect against Omicron if it’s the same shot as 1 & 2. 

Another way of looking at it is perhaps you are right and this is going to be far worse than the Government is letting on, determined to save the shareholders they are allowing the Xmas shopping to continue knowing that it will probably lead to thousands of avoidable deaths in the name of consumerism.

Until the whole world is vaccinated this will be an ongoing issue forever.

Edited December 18, 2021 by VT05763

[chinapig]

13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Edit: regarding my first point, as antibiotics can't kill viruses, one thing the government should be investing/researching a lot more is antivirals to treat covid. 

FYI new anti virals have just been introduced:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/treatments-for-coronavirus/

[Bristol Rob]

Spoke to my old man last night to tell him I wasn't going today as with Christmas just round the corner I didn't want to be in isolation or risk ruining it for various others if I get the vids.

He agreed it was probably sensible and he too was going to give the match today a miss.

He did an LFT this morning as he was feeling a bit iffy and got a positive result, so he is now off for a PCR, assuming that comes back positive there goes the Christmas plan we were hoping to keep by missing the game.

Seems no matter how careful people are trying to be, it's rife at the moment.

[Harry]

15 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

regarding my first point, as antibiotics can't kill viruses, one thing the government should be investing/researching a lot more is antivirals to treat covid. 

Yep. And that’s been one of my main points. The world should have been throwing everything they could at antivirals rather than just letting that particular science just creep along as normal whilst they instead threw everything at vaccines and lockdowns etc. 
 

I’m not gonna go over old ground, but I’m just amazed that more effort and resource wasn’t thrown at this. Yes, there are now some coming to market, but this could’ve been a lot quicker (and thus ahead of this new wave) had they poured the masses of cash, resource and focus on this. 

[Kid in the Riot]

5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

FYI new anti virals have just been introduced:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/treatments-for-coronavirus/

Aware of that, but it's nowhere near at the required level yet and the government has not invested in this area strongly enough imo. 

Antivirals could help in significantly reducing hospitalisations, which in turn could help reduce restrictions such as covid passports. 

[Harry]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

Aware of that, but it's nowhere near at the required level yet and the government has not invested in this area strongly enough imo. 

Antivirals could help in significantly reducing hospitalisations, which in turn could help reduce restrictions such as covid passports. 

100%. I’ve made this point about a dozen times on here over the last week or so and have been rather viciously shot down. 
It’s a hugely valid point. 

[Fpcity]

15 hours ago, spudski said:

Tell me if I've misunderstood this...but this is bollox. We built at the beginning of covid temporary covid hospitals throughout the country.

They all got dismantled and never used, as we were told there wasn't enough drs and nurses ' specialised' to deal with covid.

During the height of covid this year, my father was in Southmead with Brain cancer. The hospital and wards were empty when I visited. Empty... literally.

So it's not beds that are a problem...it's staff. 

Surely we should be building more hospitals and educating staff, and paying them a decent wage. That should be the foremost action, especially as it's been two bloody years now and not expected to stop.

Two friggin years...that we've just accepted to live with and not change.

The NHS needs a major overhaul but is it too big to do? There's so many pointless jobs now, which just 1 of these could employ 3-4 nurses and I think I saw recently that someone high up said they have no idea how many managers there are. Lots of money gets wasted by having to use sub contracters to do simple work. 

[Harry]

1 minute ago, billywedlock said:

No idea why you keep repeating this false notion. They are. There are many studies in progress, with serious funding. But the side effects of these drugs are more serious than vaccination. Your comments are false and misguided. 

 

 

I only mentioned it again as KITR brought it up again. And he is someone who is very much of the same opinions as yourself on this. 
As I said, I’m not gonna go over this again, suffice to say, I think a helluva lot more could and should have been done in this area. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Aware of that, but it's nowhere near at the required level yet and the government has not invested in this area strongly enough imo. 

Antivirals could help in significantly reducing hospitalisations, which in turn could help reduce restrictions such as covid passports. 

With respect and I have agreed on all your posts on the subject so far, but evidence do you have on this? as my impression is that there has been a lot of focus and resource

[bengalcub]

Are their any spare tickets going for today just after 1 adult if someone doesn’t fancy it. Thanks 

[Fpcity]

2 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

or we could cut the benefits of the 1.42 million freeloaders (not all I grant you), claiming unemployment benefit and train them for these jobs instead.

I expect there's lots of older people who would be interested in training to be a nurse or something else in the NHS but can't afford to quit their full time job and take out loans and grants for 3-4 years. There has to be an easier way to make it viable for the average person. 

[Waconda]

12 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

I expect there's lots of older people who would be interested in training to be a nurse or something else in the NHS but can't afford to quit their full time job and take out loans and grants for 3-4 years. There has to be an easier way to make it viable for the average person. 

They are going to be busy picking fruit in any case.

[robin_unreliant]

43 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Aware of that, but it's nowhere near at the required level yet and the government has not invested in this area strongly enough imo. 

Antivirals could help in significantly reducing hospitalisations, which in turn could help reduce restrictions such as covid passports. 

I'm currently involved in an NHS programme that matches new positive PCR cases to centrally held records of the more vulnerable (immuno-compromised etc) and arranges a clinical review to deliver either anti-viral or monoclonal antibody treatment. 

The idea being to improve the odds of avoiding serious illness. This is a national programme to maximise the impact of these new medications. 

I'm not clinical so can't comment on their effectiveness. I'm just one of the backroom managers in the NHS that Daily Mail readers hate but are trying to organise things like this. 

[myol'man]

Any extra restrictions in hospitality today?

[GreedyHarry]

12 hours ago, City Rocker said:

I think it worth mentioning that,  whilst I renewed my season ticket in the summer, I haven't yet been to a single City game this season. Reason being I fear infecting seriously ill elderly relatives.

So to be clear, I haven't attended a single football match since March 2020. Anyone else spunking away £350+ this year, or is it just me? 

Pretty much the same here. Been to 2 matches earlier in the season when I knew I wasn’t mixing with friends and family for the week after. Will probably do the same next season as well.

[GreedyHarry]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

Hi mate. 
Regarding the 3rd vaccine. You’ve mentioned that the new variant is resistant to the first 2 shots. 
Now, I will hold my hands up and say I don’t know the ins and outs about how these things work, but from what I read, the first 2 vaccines were specifically designed to be able to attack the spike protein, also known as the S-Gene. 
With the new variant, they are confirming on the testing that you are positive for it if the test has S-Gene dropout. Basically meaning that the test hasn’t picked up evidence of the Spike Protein but only the other two primers, and that’s what makes it different to testing positive for the Delta variant. 
As far as I am aware, the 3rd vaccine contains exactly the same code as the previous 2, and is therefore designed to attack the S-Gene. 

So, given that a positive test for Omicron means there is no S-Gene and that the 3rd vaccine is designed to attack the S-Gene, how does the 3rd vaccine protect against omicron which doesn’t show the S-Gene it is supposed to attack? If there is no S-Gene to attack, what will it do instead?  
 

I’m sure there’s a a very good science behind it that I don’t really understand, so it would be good to get comment from anyone on here who knows more about this stuff than myself. Certainly RedRobbo usually has his finger on the trigger with this stuff. 
 

*note - This isn’t an anti-vax post. This is a genuine question over how the 3rd shot will work against the new variant when it’s stated that the first and second don’t. 

I’m no expert but from what I have read the 3rd vaccine is effective at getting a part of the immune system called t-cells going. The vaccine was designed to trigger an antibody response that looks for the spike protein. The t-cells are more generic and look for the general pattern of the virus which is why they can still find it. They take a bit longer to work though but once your immune system is triggered by the t-cells it will produce more to fight the infection. Just not as quickly as the antibodies.

Thats my very limited understanding- the booster produces a different immune response. I’m willing to be corrected though if I’ve got it all wrong. 

[Redandproud]

58 minutes ago, bengalcub said:

Are their any spare tickets going for today just after 1 adult if someone doesn’t fancy it. Thanks 

"FREELOADER"  buy one,?

[Redandproud]

1 hour ago, bengalcub said:

Are their any spare tickets going for today just after 1 adult if someone doesn’t fancy it. Thanks 

Buy one? plenty left

[bengalcub]

5 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

"FREELOADER"  buy one,?

Oh u assumed I wouldn’t pay the person ? You know what they say when u assume …….

[underover]

1 hour ago, paul_fox said:

I expect there's lots of older people who would be interested in training to be a nurse or something else in the NHS but can't afford to quit their full time job and take out loans and grants for 3-4 years. There has to be an easier way to make it viable for the average person. 

my best friends mum was a nurse, had time off to have her kids, now they’re grown up you need a degree to be a nurse, as she had too much time off she no longer counts as qualified and she can’t afford to spend 3 years at university training to become one, it’s so gutting for her she loved that job and she was a great nurse but it’s just not feasible. I’m sure there’s plenty more like her too. 

[The dastardly red]

4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

or we could cut the benefits of the 1.42 million freeloaders (not all I grant you), claiming unemployment benefit and train them for these jobs 

 

Edited December 18, 2021 by The dastardly red
Temper

[Keepers Ball]

I'm really torn here. I don't ever get put off by scaremongering and have always had the attitude of "it happens it happens".

but if I'm honest, I'm getting cold feet about going. trouble is i have a young Son who keeps asking "Aren't we going? Aren't we going?"

Then there is the habitual side of me that has to go.

FFS why can't the EPL and Football League stop being so pig headed and postpone games over the Christmas period?

This decision making should be taken out of our hands. All this prioritising by Chris Whitty is nonsense

[oldstandrobin]

51 minutes ago, GreedyHarry said:

Pretty much the same here. Been to 2 matches earlier in the season when I knew I wasn’t mixing with friends and family for the week after. Will probably do the same next season as well.

Same here, going today but only been to B'mouth game. Suffering with Vertigo since late July which has affected my hearing and with a lot of noise it drives my hearing mad. Hoping for a quiet game. 

[wendyredredrobin]

Well, despite saying I was not going to take the risk, I could not bring myself to miss the game after all and am setting off for the gate in a few minutes with fingers crossed.

Lets hope for a performance to make it worthwhile.

[RedorDead BCFC]

I’m not going as I have Covid at the moment. 
I’m double jabbed, ironically was supposed to be boostered last Saturday but was away so had to cancel and went down with symptoms on Sunday. 
I wear a mask when in shops and other places, can’t walk past a sanitiser station without having a squirt. 

Thankfully I come out of Isolation on Wednesday so fingers crossed will be able to have a Christmas. Unless my wife who is shattered now running round after me gets some rest. She has banished me to the bedroom, which has a en-suite so not allowed out, so the rest of the household don’t have to worry about contracting it. 
To all the ones going today, be careful, enjoy yourself and hopefully you don’t take any unexpected guest in your bodies. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by RedorDead BCFC

[wendyredredrobin]

17 minutes ago, Keepers Ball said:

I'm really torn here. I don't ever get put off by scaremongering and have always had the attitude of "it happens it happens".

but if I'm honest, I'm getting cold feet about going. trouble is i have a young Son who keeps asking "Aren't we going? Aren't we going?"

Then there is the habitual side of me that has to go.

FFS why can't the EPL and Football League stop being so pig headed and postpone games over the Christmas period?

This decision making should be taken out of our hands. All this prioritising by Chris Whitty is nonsense

Play behind closed doors and make it available to season card holders on the TV would be a better option then there would not be such a fixture backlog.

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Play behind closed doors and make it available to season card holders on the TV would be a better option then there would not be such a fixture backlog.

Pretty sure that’s where we are going to be again fairly soon.

I’m going today, I’m triple jabbed, no health issues that I’m aware of & thinking it might be the last game in front of a crowd for a while.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, myol'man said:

Any extra restrictions in hospitality today?

Yes, you have to have your prawns on white bread, not brown , as it has tested positive for Hovis19

[wendyredredrobin]

Just now, GrahamC said:

Pretty sure that’s where we are going to be again fairly soon.

I’m going today, I’m triple jabbed, no health issues that I’m aware of & thinking it might be the last game in front of a crowd for a while.

They said there were 18k at the last game but it looked more like 14k to me.  Being the last Saturday before Christmas and the Omicron scare, I wonder how many will actually be inside the ground today.

[BrizzleRed]

16 minutes ago, Keepers Ball said:

I'm really torn here. I don't ever get put off by scaremongering and have always had the attitude of "it happens it happens".

but if I'm honest, I'm getting cold feet about going. trouble is i have a young Son who keeps asking "Aren't we going? Aren't we going?"

Then there is the habitual side of me that has to go.

FFS why can't the EPL and Football League stop being so pig headed and postpone games over the Christmas period?

This decision making should be taken out of our hands. All this prioritising by Chris Whitty is nonsense

I’ve already made my decision and decided one football match isn’t worth the possibility of messing up Christmas for, but I can certainly see your problem.

Got to say your last sentence proves the no-win situation the authorities are is, as they are damned if they do, or damned if they don’t!

Last year they were hammered for locking down and were accused of ‘cancelling Christmas’.  This year they’re treating us as adults and leaving us to make our own decisions on what’s most important to us, and that’s also wrong.

Who’d honestly want to be in government these day?!!!

[Numero Uno]

I will be going today and expecting it to be the last game anyone will be attending before February/March time. I will be surprised if there is football on Boxing Day tbh.

[Waconda]

3 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

I’ve already made my decision and decided one football match isn’t worth the possibility of messing up Christmas for, but I can certainly see your problem.

Got to say your last sentence proves the no-win situation the authorities are is, as they are damned if they do, or damned if they don’t!

Last year they were hammered for locking down and were accused of ‘cancelling Christmas’.  This year they’re treating us as adults and leaving us to make our own decisions on what’s most important to us, and that’s also wrong.

Who’d honestly want to be in government these day?!!!

It is a very difficult situation but when you have a Government obsessed with saving shareholders over the health of it's population it doesn't help.

We currently have the worst Prime Minister at the worst time, lacking in any empathy, self awareness and ability to make decisions for the greater good .

He isn't "doing his best" he is PM not a toddler.

[sticks 1969]

16 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

They said there were 18k at the last game but it looked more like 14k to me.  Being the last Saturday before Christmas and the Omicron scare, I wonder how many will actually be inside the ground today.

12 k 

[Ska Junkie]

13 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

That figure has been debated long and hard elsewhere - so I’d refer you to that discussion, although I’d highlight once again that someone I know died from being electrocuted at work and his death was put down as a Covid death because he’d tested positive a month before his untimely death.

Don’t you think there is now hysteria over this omicron variant? Do you think it is warranted? Reports today suggested there were 16 people in hospital in the UK with omicron and there has been one death - a guy in his seventies who was unvaccinated and died ‘with’ not ‘from’ omicron - South Africa (from where the omicron variant apparently originated) has now reported they are ‘over the peak’ and the number of deaths from omicron over there? Zero ... 

A guy I work with, and his wife, are both isolating at home with omicron right now - they both have underlying health issues, however, he sent me a text saying he ‘feels a bit under the weather but he’s had worse colds’ - I would never underestimate or belittle anyone’s experiences during this pandemic, but I can only draw my own conclusions from the personal experiences I go through and to which I am exposed ... and in many ways, ‘hysteria’ is an appropriate word to sum up some things right now ... I totally get, and respect, that you may feel different and that’s obviously perfectly fine - have a great weekend

That's how I was tbh BS4, apart from the shortness of breath, it was similar to a heavy cold. That said, I'm treble jabbed and am sure that helped nullify the horrid symptoms those not vaccinated risk.

Been told to expect this for between 4-6 weeks so am just getting on with things, doing what I can and stopping if I can't.

[weepywall]

28 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

They said there were 18k at the last game but it looked more like 14k to me.  Being the last Saturday before Christmas and the Omicron scare, I wonder how many will actually be inside the ground today.

About 10k I recon.

[Ska Junkie]

35 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

I’m not going as I have Covid at the moment. 
I’m double jabbed, ironically was supposed to be boostered last Saturday but was away so had to cancel and went down with symptoms on Sunday. 
I wear a mask when in shops and other places, can’t walk past a sanitiser station without having a squirt. 

Thankfully I come out of Isolation on Wednesday so fingers crossed will be able to have a Christmas. Unless my wife who is shattered now running round after me gets some rest. She has banished me to the bedroom, which has a en-suite so not allowed out, so the rest of the household don’t have to worry about contracting it. 
To all the ones going today, be careful, enjoy yourself and hopefully you don’t take any unexpected guest in your bodies. 

That's what we did RorD and it protected the family.

I hope you feel better soon pal.

[redsquirrel]

had to take my mrs shopping this morning and i have to be honest,i think id have felt safer at the match,with some of the clamour going on was horrible

[Agard Days Night]

2 hours ago, bengalcub said:

Are their any spare tickets going for today just after 1 adult if someone doesn’t fancy it. Thanks 

Spare parking ticket?

[Ska Junkie]

3 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

had to take my mrs shopping this morning and i have to be honest,i think id have felt safer at the match,with some of the clamour going on was horrible

I've got that 'pleasure' later. Not your Mrs obviously.

She wants to go to Yate so will probably buy half of it!

[David Brent]

Vaccinated and tested. I’m going today and I won’t be made to feel like a **** for doing so. 

[Offside]

I briefly thought about not going (the quality of football has hardly been an incentive) but I’m on my way to the ground. I’m triple jabbed and just as likely to get it from somewhere like the supermarket. 

[BrizzleRed]

18 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

It is a very difficult situation but when you have a Government obsessed with saving shareholders over the health of it's population it doesn't help.

We currently have the worst Prime Minister at the worst time, lacking in any empathy, self awareness and ability to make decisions for the greater good .

He isn't "doing his best" he is PM not a toddler.

It’s a balancing act and if businesses all go down the toilet along with the assiciated jobs, that doesn’t help the population either, does it?

They’ve had all the accusations of being too authoritarian and trying to control all aspects of our lives in the past, so this seems like the obvious alternative.

It looks to me that this time, they’ve decided to vaccinate everyone who’lll agree to have it and then relying on the level of vaccine in the populace minimising serious illness and deaths and letting us start to build up some herd immunity.

This had to happen at some point, as lockdowns couldn’t continue for evermore and seemed to be of very limited benefit anyway.

[Ska Junkie]

15 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Vaccinated and tested. I’m going today and I won’t be made to feel like a **** for doing so. 

I don't think anyone is saying that DB, good on ya pal.

[Jacki]

58 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

They said there were 18k at the last game but it looked more like 14k to me.  Being the last Saturday before Christmas and the Omicron scare, I wonder how many will actually be inside the ground today.

I’ve just parked up and it’s the quietest I’ve seen it for street parking for a while. I reckon it’ll be a pretty sparse crowd today

[Bristol Rob]

16 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Vaccinated and tested. I’m going today and I won’t be made to feel like a **** for doing so. 

Don't think anyone would think that, my decision not to go was a personal one and I have a degree of envy towards those who can go because they don't have the same pending commitments as some others.

But if you are there, hope it's a good game and I hope you get rewarded with 3 points. 

[steviestevieneville]

50 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Vaccinated and tested. I’m going today and I won’t be made to feel like a **** for doing so. 

Why would anyone make you feel like that. I’m fully vaccinated but not going as I don’t want to risk getting it before Christmas plus being self employed I don’t want to miss work. Personal choice , fair play for going COYR

Edited December 18, 2021 by steviestevieneville

[Red Army 75]

Just had a call from a mate. Didn’t scan his passport he could of showed them anyones screenshot . Hardly checked ******* joke was his words 

[BS4 on Tour...]

4 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Oh and please also stop saying no one has died from Omicron in South Africa - again, total bollocks; they are being hospitalised, and they are dying (at a lower rate):

 

That graph you’ve shown gives info from 15th November 2020 (yep, last year!) to 4th December 2021 - and Omicron was only discovered in South Africa at the end of November/start of December 2021 - so you’ve quoted a graph showing “age controlled data on Omicron severity in South Africa from 15th November 2020 to 4th December 2021” - so you believe Omicron data can now be backdated over a year in South Africa to November last year?

[petehinton]

Feels very much like the fulham game in 2020, this is gonna be the last game for a little bit isn’t it. 

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

It’s a balancing act and if businesses all go down the toilet along with the assiciated jobs, that doesn’t help the population either, does it?

They’ve had all the accusations of being too authoritarian and trying to control all aspects of our lives in the past, so this seems like the obvious alternative.

It looks to me that this time, they’ve decided to vaccinate everyone who’lll agree to have it and then relying on the level of vaccine in the populace minimising serious illness and deaths and letting us start to build up some herd immunity.

This had to happen at some point, as lockdowns couldn’t continue for evermore and seemed to be of very limited benefit anyway.

If you lockdown hard and put the right support packages into place (rather that shitly-conceived stuff they introduced), follow your own rules, then you bring compliance and trust….and nobody’s business goes up the swanny.

But not this scheming bunch of grifters. Always on the make for them and their mates.

[ChippenhamRed]

9 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

That graph you’ve shown gives info from 15th November 2020 (yep, last year!) to 4th December 2021 - and Omicron was only discovered in South Africa at the end of November/start of December 2021 - so you’ve quoted a graph showing “age controlled data on Omicron severity in South Africa from 15th November 2020 to 4th December 2021” - so you believe Omicron data can now be backdated over a year in South Africa to November last year?

You can’t interpret a graph then. I give up.

[BrizzleRed]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

If you lockdown hard and put the right support packages into place (rather that shitly-conceived stuff they introduced), follow your own rules, then you bring compliance and trust….and nobody’s business goes up the swanny.

But not this scheming bunch of grifters. Always on the make for them and their mates.

Could be the case Dave, but I think there would be far too many who’d rebel against any lockdown now for it to be effective anyway.

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Could be the case Dave, but I think there would be far too many who’d rebel against any lockdown now for it to be effective anyway.

If you get it right then maybe that becomes “some”!

[Red Army 87]

21 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Just had a call from a mate. Didn’t scan his passport he could of showed them anyones screenshot . Hardly checked ******* joke was his words 

Pretty much. Outside dolman the bloke who checked mine clearly didn’t give a toss. No verification of who I was vs pass (assumed he would check my ST as was told to get that ready).