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We ain’t Man City.

No ‘Striker’ at home. Not sure I can remember the last time we did that.

With the sending off and the late goal this was not really mentioned.

Before anyone says it - Seymeyo is not a goal scorer at this level and should be played wide in a front three.

Wieman plays off a front man.

So why is it that we leave it to the 90th minute to bring one on.

Seymenyo was ineffective after the first 25 mins. He is an ‘almost’ player. Almost scores, almost intercepts, almost…

Not playing Wells or bringing him on after 80 mins plus is starting to cost us. 
 
He is a goal scorer at this level and would easily get 15 goals if he started as many games as Martin.

Not playing a Striker at home is shameful.

Not saying the team did not put a shift in but we need to play more on the front foot in the las 15/20 mins we are always hanging on.

Also if Bentley is not off in Jan then not playing him is mental. He is our captain FFS and dropping him looks ridiculous after we just lost. Sure if we win looks a great selection but we didn’t. Why upset  one of our better more consistent players.

So come on Nige we aint Man City and you ain’t Pep play a Striker.

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Just now, Bristol Rob said:

So our top scorer, top (inexperienced) young striker and the multimillion pound striker who came on towards the end don't count.

I said did not come on until the 90th minute. 

Seymenyo ain’t a Striker

Wieman is not a Striker either maybe too goal score but not a Striker

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I thought Semenyo was excellent & he certainly is a striker.

Did pretty much nothing after 25 mins onwards 

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4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I thought Semenyo was excellent & he certainly is a striker.

That doesn't score goals.

I like him, he is raw, unpredictable and not frightened to run at people. However when you're after scoring goals, he's not one to rely on.

Interested to see the odds of him getting the first goal when he starts.

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1 minute ago, Taz said:

That doesn't score goals.

I like him, he is raw, unpredictable and not frightened to run at people. However when you're after scoring goals, he's not one to rely on.

Interested to see the odds of him getting the first goal when he starts.

Before this season Ben Brereton Diaz had never scored more than 7 in a season.


I am not saying Semenyo is a 20 goal player but seeing as he isn’t even 22 until next month I can see him improving & becoming a 12 a season one.

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3 minutes ago, Taz said:

That doesn't score goals.

I like him, he is raw, unpredictable and not frightened to run at people. However when you're after scoring goals, he's not one to rely on.

Interested to see the odds of him getting the first goal when he starts.

Ha, yeah.We could quote bookies odds and you'd still be laughing this time next year.  I'd imagine true odds to be between 15-1 and 20-1.

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Before this season Ben Brereton Diaz had never scored more than 7 in a season.


I am not saying Semenyo is a 20 goal player but seeing as he isn’t even 22 until next month I can see him improving & becoming a 12 a season one.

That's fair enough, even fewer people expected Bobby Reid to do as well as he did in that season for us.

When you have someone like Wells on the bench though, regardless of what's going on with him (as he is clearly not in Pearsons plans), but to put Semenyo on the pitch as our main threat is a dangerous game for a club in our position.

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Before this season Ben Brereton Diaz had never scored more than 7 in a season.


I am not saying Semenyo is a 20 goal player but seeing as he isn’t even 22 until next month I can see him improving & becoming a 12 a season one.

70 games and three goals

To put into perspective -Scott has played 20 games and scored 3 as well and does not play as far forward as Antoine.

He ain’t a Striker the reason I can say that with confidence is 

1. I Have watched him play

2. He don’t score goals.

I have no problem in him playing wide of a front three he does cause teams problem when he runs at the them but not as the main Striker through the middle because he can’t finish

 

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6 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

If Weimann isn’t a striker we’ve got a 15 - 20 goals a season midfielder on our hands and our accounts will be much improved next year.

Normally will get you 10 a season and not much more than that.

Agree good return for someone who plays of a ‘Striker’ 

Agian shows Symenyo’s record up he would average 3 a season if you play him 35 games plus - Not a Striker

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9 minutes ago, Taz said:

That's fair enough, even fewer people expected Bobby Reid to do as well as he did in that season for us.

When you have someone like Wells on the bench though, regardless of what's going on with him (as he is clearly not in Pearsons plans), but to put Semenyo on the pitch as our main threat is a dangerous game for a club in our position.

Agree it feels like Nige is making a point with Wells but it’s at our exspence and we ain’t got enough points at this stage to have that sort of risk.

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3 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Let’s start with 5 and that’s if you play him 35 games plus.

Agree pace and power and deserves a place in the team not as a main Striker though 

We could play off him with Wieman but the gaffa sees it different .  On his own today he never gave em an easy ride . 

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7 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Normally will get you 10 a season and not much more than that.

Agree good return for someone who plays of a ‘Striker’ 

Agian shows Symenyo’s record up he would average 3 a season if you play him 35 games plus - Not a Striker

Hasnt he scored 1 in 5/6 games this season? If he played 40 games that would average out at 7/8 goals wouldnt it?  
semenyo up front gave us the power and pace to really take the game to qpr tonight. Im not knocking martin who has been flogged all season, but the difference today was night and day

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1 hour ago, Better Red said:

We ain’t Man City.

No ‘Striker’ at home. Not sure I can remember the last time we did that.

With the sending off and the late goal this was not really mentioned.

Before anyone says it - Seymeyo is not a goal scorer at this level and should be played wide in a front three.

Wieman plays off a front man.

So why is it that we leave it to the 90th minute to bring one on.

Seymenyo was ineffective after the first 25 mins. He is an ‘almost’ player. Almost scores, almost intercepts, almost…

Not playing Wells or bringing him on after 80 mins plus is starting to cost us. 
 
He is a goal scorer at this level and would easily get 15 goals if he started as many games as Martin.

Not playing a Striker at home is shameful.

Not saying the team did not put a shift in but we need to play more on the front foot in the las 15/20 mins we are always hanging on.

Also if Bentley is not off in Jan then not playing him is mental. He is our captain FFS and dropping him looks ridiculous after we just lost. Sure if we win looks a great selection but we didn’t. Why upset  one of our better more consistent players.

So come on Nige we aint Man City and you ain’t Pep play a Striker.

I'm lost.

We're just seen one of our best performances offensively all season, chnaces created, movement, etc.

Yet this....

....what..?

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He's started hardly any games up front, and is normally out wide.

Up front is his best position, in my opinion, and I'm sure he will get more goals if given the chance!

Wells just can't be arsed, that's why he's on the bench and likely on his way!

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7 hours ago, Better Red said:

We ain’t Man City.

No ‘Striker’ at home. Not sure I can remember the last time we did that.

With the sending off and the late goal this was not really mentioned.

Before anyone says it - Seymeyo is not a goal scorer at this level and should be played wide in a front three.

Wieman plays off a front man.

So why is it that we leave it to the 90th minute to bring one on.

Seymenyo was ineffective after the first 25 mins. He is an ‘almost’ player. Almost scores, almost intercepts, almost…

Not playing Wells or bringing him on after 80 mins plus is starting to cost us. 
 
He is a goal scorer at this level and would easily get 15 goals if he started as many games as Martin.

Not playing a Striker at home is shameful.

Not saying the team did not put a shift in but we need to play more on the front foot in the las 15/20 mins we are always hanging on.

Also if Bentley is not off in Jan then not playing him is mental. He is our captain FFS and dropping him looks ridiculous after we just lost. Sure if we win looks a great selection but we didn’t. Why upset  one of our better more consistent players.

So come on Nige we aint Man City and you ain’t Pep play a Striker.

Deep sigh. 

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8 hours ago, Better Red said:

We ain’t Man City.

No ‘Striker’ at home. Not sure I can remember the last time we did that.

With the sending off and the late goal this was not really mentioned.

Before anyone says it - Seymeyo is not a goal scorer at this level and should be played wide in a front three.

Wieman plays off a front man.

So why is it that we leave it to the 90th minute to bring one on.

Seymenyo was ineffective after the first 25 mins. He is an ‘almost’ player. Almost scores, almost intercepts, almost…

Not playing Wells or bringing him on after 80 mins plus is starting to cost us. 
 
He is a goal scorer at this level and would easily get 15 goals if he started as many games as Martin.

Not playing a Striker at home is shameful.

Not saying the team did not put a shift in but we need to play more on the front foot in the las 15/20 mins we are always hanging on.

Also if Bentley is not off in Jan then not playing him is mental. He is our captain FFS and dropping him looks ridiculous after we just lost. Sure if we win looks a great selection but we didn’t. Why upset  one of our better more consistent players.

So come on Nige we aint Man City and you ain’t Pep play a Striker.

Bentley is Captain Calamity on his general form this season tbh. Nothing O’Leary did cost us the points last night but if you want me to give you examples of Bentley costing us points this season there are a few. The club has rules and if only one player can’t or won’t follow them then he can go and **** himself. Entirely right call by Nige who, unlike you as a fan, has to look beyond the end of his nose and Bentley will get his place back when it is right to do so.

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Watched the game with my brother and was explaining to him that Semenyo will be awesome when it clicks into place for him, whenever that will be and whatever “it” is. His response was 2 goals in 60 games. I stood by my initial comment. On another day he would have scored two, that dummy-shot/ mid-air Cruyff turn-volley thing he did which their keeper saved well at the near post, was class. Then he missed a tap-in a couple of minutes later which brushed past two defenders before he saw it late, may have gone in if he had another like it. 
 

I felt some sort of optimism or expectation whenever he picked up the ball today, like something positive was going to happen. I think his pace and strength make him electrifying to watch.  He chased everything down and got cramp which suggests he ran more than he should have. I’m also enjoying his link  up play with COD. 
 

If we can afford to keep giving him chances I think we should rather than waste the 60 games we’ve already given him. 
 

If he does turn into a goal machine it will save us a fortune in the long run. 

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Funny how you see the game through your Mille Miglia goggles that are presumably stitched into your hoodie.

I thought the starting line up showed intent and on the whole it delivered. 

Thing is Nakhi Wells could/should/would have played from the start but didn’t. And why’s that? Because like so many of them he’s not good enough.

Anyway young man I’m guessing it’s a day of Football Manager for you…..

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Thought we actually played better without a striker. 

We seemed to play the ball on the ground more without constantly playing the long ball to a lumbering target man.

Scott, Semenyo and COD also made us more pacy and direct with varying degrees of success.

Tbh our strikers are so average that our midfielders are as likely to score as they are.

 

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39 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

Thought we actually played better without a striker. 

We seemed to play the ball on the ground more without constantly playing the long ball to a lumbering target man.

Scott, Semenyo and COD also made us more pacy and direct with varying degrees of success.

Tbh our strikers are so average that our midfielders are as likely to score as they are.

 

100%. Martin offers nothing and we forget how to pass or run with the ball when he is on the pitch.

It was the same a few years back when Diedhiou came back and we stopped playing football.

Give me pace all day long.

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31 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said:

100%. Martin offers nothing and we forget how to pass or run with the ball when he is on the pitch.

It was the same a few years back when Diedhiou came back and we stopped playing football.

Give me pace all day long.

 

Agreed.  For once, we looked to generally play it up the field on to the front men, rather than hopeful punts to a "target man" with whom the ball rarely sticks.

Semenyo's hold-up play was good, his passing intelligent, and Weimann's sprinting ability caused all sorts of headaches for QPR's not very good back line. With Scott involved in the high press, I felt that we had more attacking intent in that game, even when we had 10 men, than in most other outings this season.

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11 hours ago, Better Red said:

We ain’t Man City.

So come on Nige we aint Man City and you ain’t Pep play a Striker.

Ignoring the fact that the way we set up last night bears no resemblance whatsoever to the way Man City set up with their "False 9" I think you make a wonderful point....................

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Agreed.  For once, we looked to generally play it up the field on to the front men, rather than hopeful punts to a "target man" with whom the ball rarely sticks.

Semenyo's hold-up play was good, his passing intelligent, and Weimann's sprinting ability caused all sorts of headaches for QPR's not very good back line. With Scott involved in the high press, I felt that we had more attacking intent in that game, even when we had 10 men, than in most other outings this season.

From watching the first half, I was intrigued as to how we’d press using a 4231 versus their back 3.  What looked like transpired was that it was generally Weimann’s job to pick up the advancing side CB Barbet, and O’Dowda or Scott to pick up Dickie.  That meant Tanner  could go high versus Wallace and Pring pick Adomah (not so high) sometimes O’Dowda depending on if Scott engaged Dickie.  It made it difficult at times for QPR to play out.  Semenyo got into Dunne enough times to make him wary.

I didn’t see second half to see how that worked with 10 men, but was surprised QPR didn’t have a bigger chunk of possession second period, suggesting we still did the pressing well.

Shame Tanner went off, was looking very bright.

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Just now, Davefevs said:

From watching the first half, I was intrigued as to how we’d press using a 4231 versus their back 3.  What looked like transpired was that it was generally Weimann’s job to pick up the advancing side CB Barbet, and O’Dowda or Scott to pick up Dickie.  That meant Tanner  could go high versus Wallace and Pring pick Adomah (not so high) sometimes O’Dowda depending on if Scott engaged Dickie.  It made it difficult at times for QPR to play out.  Semenyo got into Dunne enough times to make him wary.

I didn’t see second half to see how that worked with 10 men, but was surprised QPR didn’t have a bigger chunk of possession second period, suggesting we still did the pressing well.

Shame Tanner went off, was looking very bright.

We did it superbly well with 10 men because you obviously have to be a bit more selective and it's harder to lay traps. There was no obvious sign in terms of how the game went that we were down to 10 men for so long. We have had far worse spells of possession at home this season with 11 men. My question on last night is was it a one off or a very encouraging sign of things to come? If it's the latter I can see us getting the results we need very soon.

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4 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

I said on another thread you started, lucky we have people at the club who understand football unlike you

So another thread to show you do not know what you are talking about

Then keep replying to your own thread to prove the point 

You must hate it when I am right.

For someone who does not know about football I must get lucky with my posts.

Replying to your reply…..


 

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3 minutes ago, Better Red said:

You must hate it when I am right.

For someone who does not know about football I must get lucky with my posts.

Replying to your reply…..


 

As someone said on a post the other day

"It is no good arguing with an idiot

As they will just drag you down to their level and win with experience"

Strange how nobody seems to agree with you, but you know better than every one else

But hey, I am not going to get dragged down to your level!!

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6 hours ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Funny how you see the game through your Mille Miglia goggles that are presumably stitched into your hoodie.

I thought the starting line up showed intent and on the whole it delivered. 

Thing is Nakhi Wells could/should/would have played from the start but didn’t. And why’s that? Because like so many of them he’s not good enough.

Anyway young man I’m guessing it’s a day of Football Manager for you…..

We clearly do see it differently.

I am able to say what I see

You say what you want to see

Yes showed intent but no Striker and we lost….  
 

At the moment if we don’t score 2 goals we don’t don’t get anything from the game.

 

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1 minute ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

As someone said on a post the other day

"It is no good arguing with an idiot

As they will just drag you down to their level and win with experience"

Strange how nobody seems to agree with you, but you know better than every one else

But hey, I am not going to get dragged down to your level!!

I not arguing with you and don’t let anyone call you an idiot.

I won’t say no one agrees with me.

As for dragged down to my level. Why are people so touchy about the facts and it’s largely factual statements I make.

 

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Antione was excellent last night, holding the ball up and causing QPR problems with his power and pace. He chased and harried their defence into numerous errors.

If he can bring that performance consistently, he's our present and future 'go to' front man.

Well played Antione. :clap:

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On 31/12/2021 at 09:14, sh1t_ref_again said:

I said on another thread you started, lucky we have people at the club who understand football unlike you

So another thread to show you do not know what you are talking about

Then keep replying to your own thread to prove the point 

Play a ‘Striker’ second half and we score 2 and win the game.

Lucky we have people who understand the game  - Me and Nige and now you

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16 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Play a ‘Striker’ second half and we score 2 and win the game.

Lucky we have people who understand the game  - Me and Nige and now you

Think you are twisting things to try and cover up the sh1t posts you make. In case you did not notice Weimenn was on from the start and scored all 3, same player was on the pitch the other day when you claimed we did not have a striker, bit embarrassing to keep on really.

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3 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Think you are twisting things to try and cover up the sh1t posts you make. In case you did not notice Weimenn was on from the start and scored all 3, same player was on the pitch the other day when you claimed we did not have a striker, bit embarrassing to keep on really.

I wonder if they will return to this thread everytime Weimann doesn't score in a game claiming they were right all along despite having never made an actual point.

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1 hour ago, Better Red said:

Play a ‘Striker’ second half and we score 2 and win the game.

Lucky we have people who understand the game  - Me and Nige and now you

If you understand the game, why don't you post some of your knowledge instead of the pathetic drivel you serve up again and again?

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40 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

If you understand the game, why don't you post some of your knowledge instead of the pathetic drivel you serve up again and again?

Drivel - Again all I have done is stated a fact.

Just because my opinion and fact are normally right I get people like you who ‘don’t’ understand football having a go.

But again I will say ‘ think’ before you post. I do and that’s why it’s normally right….

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1 hour ago, redsince1994 said:

I wonder if they will return to this thread everytime Weimann doesn't score in a game claiming they were right all along despite having never made an actual point.

The point is in the title.

played one second half and will looked much better and we scored twice..

Its nothing to with Wieman.

More about Seymenyo is not a ‘Striker’ - should play wide in a front three with a ‘Striker’ in the middle - wells or Martin to be precise.

Over 4 half’s of football - we won 1 (the one with the ‘Striker’ playing.

Its seems more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion - thanks for help on that….

 

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2 minutes ago, Better Red said:

The point is in the title.

played one second half and will looked much better and we scored twice..

Its nothing to with Wieman.

More about Seymenyo is not a ‘Striker’ - should play wide in a front three with a ‘Striker’ in the middle - wells or Martin to be precise.

Over 4 half’s of football - we won 1 (the one with the ‘Striker’ playing.

Its seems more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion - thanks for help on that….

 

'It is nothing to do with Weimann'

Who scored a hattrick.

Rightio

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1 hour ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Think you are twisting things to try and cover up the sh1t posts you make. In case you did not notice Weimenn was on from the start and scored all 3, same player was on the pitch the other day when you claimed we did not have a striker, bit embarrassing to keep on really.

Weimar not a Striker.

Plays as No 10 or wide in a front three.

Agian I think you do really understand the point I am making.

Its not that complicated.

Striker = Wells or Martin 

Wide forwards = Wimenn, Seymenyo, Wells….

I just think you like when I am right 

Agin 4 half’s of football 1 Striker in one half and we win..  Also looked much better. 
Before you say yes HNM also made a diff but so do Martin.

Again Seymenyo not a ‘Striker’ can not score at this level.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Better Red said:

The point is in the title.

played one second half and will looked much better and we scored twice..

Its nothing to with Wieman.

More about Seymenyo is not a ‘Striker’ - should play wide in a front three with a ‘Striker’ in the middle - wells or Martin to be precise.

Over 4 half’s of football - we won 1 (the one with the ‘Striker’ playing.

Its seems more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion - thanks for help on that….

 

Think your delusional and do not understand the difference between your opinion and facts.

 

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12 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Think your delusional and do not understand the difference between your opinion and facts.

 

Again read the Topic title - it is a fact 

It was stated as a fact rather than an opinion - I did that deliberately.

My post was then a formulation of my thoughts based on past experience, knowledge of the subject mater and then carefully considered to create an opinion.

I do understand that the difference between my opinions and facts are very close - but they are only opinions that are supported by facts.

Delusional ? No

Honest ? Yes

Insightful ? I hope so

Hope that helps and clears it up for you

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5 minutes ago, Better Red said:

Again read the Topic title - it is a fact 

It was stated as a fact rather than an opinion - I did that deliberately.

My post was then a formulation of my thoughts based on past experience, knowledge of the subject mater and then carefully considered to create an opinion.

I do understand that the difference between my opinions and facts are very close - but they are only opinions that are supported by facts.

Delusional ? No

Honest ? Yes

Insightful ? I hope so

Hope that helps and clears it up for you

So your FACT is 

We did not play a ‘Striker’ for 90 mins at home

So what is Weimenn?

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3 hours ago, Better Red said:

Weimar not a Striker.

 

 

Weimar may not be a striker, but never heard of him, so that may be a fact

As opposed to Andi Weimenn who plays various attacking position, scored a hat trick today and 4th highest striker in the league and most certainly a striker

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