Popular Post Olé Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 Match Report from away at Preston (September 2019): "A frenetic end to end game played out in biblical torrential rain that had everything - except a halfway competent referee. Not only were City inexplicably denied a fully deserved winner from Diedhiou's brilliant one-two and finish to seal an end to end thriller, but the match official finished the game penalising City at every opportunity. Deepdale is just minutes from the EFL HQ and if you needed a metaphor for the last few years of administrative inadequacy in a league whose quality now vastly outstrips it's organisation, it was seeing a ref unable to keep up with two fine attacking sides and who ended up cheating one of them. Referee Davies gave Preston 2 penalties to get back from two goals down, allowed a questionable third Preston equaliser and disallowed two City goals in an afternoon he routinely pulled back play, didn't keep up to award advantage, and finished the day simply penalising the dominant visitors any time they got over the halfway line." Match Report from away at QPR (August 2019): "Football is sometimes a predictable game - for example when 2 semi-reserve sides are put out for a first round cup game you can guarantee chaos and goals. Today we got both in an end to end game that even had reserve quality match officiating too. City rode their luck in a match that swung back and forth, but appeared in control at 3-2 up, only for increasingly disinterested linesmen to be compounded by a referee picking and choosing his moments, finally deciding to award the tamest of penalties. QPR duly claimed their late lifeline back in the game as Johnson protested furiously but in truth City were always second best in the shoot out bar a brief leveller at 3-3, form being decisive as sluggish Diedhiou and out of sorts Wright, blew their lines." SAME REFEREE. Mind blowing. 23 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I genuinely wonder if he has some deep rooted issue with us. Apparently he was on Yeovil’s books, so certainly has some connection to this part of the world. In the 3 games quoted he has given the opposition 4 penalties (2 of which were very dubious) & last night gave every marginal call to QPR. He’s either incompetent or biased. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) I was at that Preston game and it was pretty alarming how easily he lost control of the game and basically ended up guessing every decision. But it wasn’t noticed as much because we were away and because it didn’t result in us losing the game Last night he also lost control of the game and ended up guessing every decision although how you can’t see a handball directly in front of you I’m not too sure. I would say though i don’t think it’s particularly against us, he just doesn’t seem to be mentally strong enough to be a referee at this level as his head had completely gone just like it had in the Preston game Edited December 31, 2021 by East Londoner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I don't think I have ever seen a more incompetent display of refereeing last night. I'm also one to hate moaning about Referee's as an excuse when we lose, but wow he was awful. First off their penalty was a penalty, but so was the one not given to us when we were 1-0 up. Not given. It was the total inconsistency of his decisions, and half the time it was if he was guessing them. The Matty James 'foul' in the early stages of the 2nd half was completely mindboggling and it was from then that every decision, even throw ins were just guess work by the officials. You wanna know why English Referee's are seen as inferior across UEFA? Just look how poor our EFL refs handle games. Totally ruined the game 16 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P'head Red Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, East Londoner said: Last night he also lost control of the game and ended up guessing every decision although how you can’t see a handball directly in front of you I’m not too sure. I was astounded by that decision, especially as it gave them an advantage! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 The QPR cup game is the more remarkable for me because a full 40 minutes after the ridiculous penalty, after extra time and after the final kick (Bailey Wright) of the shoot out we lost, I remember vividly in the upper tier watching in amazement as LJ stormed onto the pitch to go after the ref for a second time about costing us the game. Now you could argue that maybe Davies has had it in for us ever since because of this reaction, but either way to provoke that extreme a reaction from our manager of the day, then wind forward two years or so and our completely different (current) manager last night (rightly) describes that same referee as better off refereeing park football. Some record to provoke those sorts of reactions and comments from multiple City managers. And sandwiching an epic game at Preston where he gave two penalties against us, disallowed two of our goals, and allowed a blatant foul on Baker in the lead up to their equaliser to stand while simultaneously stopping play anytime we went near anyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, P'head Red said: I was astounded by that decision, especially as it gave them an advantage! Not just that, at least three of our players literally stopped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, Olé said: Match Report from away at Preston (September 2019): "A frenetic end to end game played out in biblical torrential rain that had everything - except a halfway competent referee. Not only were City inexplicably denied a fully deserved winner from Diedhiou's brilliant one-two and finish to seal an end to end thriller, but the match official finished the game penalising City at every opportunity. Deepdale is just minutes from the EFL HQ and if you needed a metaphor for the last few years of administrative inadequacy in a league whose quality now vastly outstrips it's organisation, it was seeing a ref unable to keep up with two fine attacking sides and who ended up cheating one of them. Referee Davies gave Preston 2 penalties to get back from two goals down, allowed a questionable third Preston equaliser and disallowed two City goals in an afternoon he routinely pulled back play, didn't keep up to award advantage, and finished the day simply penalising the dominant visitors any time they got over the halfway line." Match Report from away at QPR (August 2019): "Football is sometimes a predictable game - for example when 2 semi-reserve sides are put out for a first round cup game you can guarantee chaos and goals. Today we got both in an end to end game that even had reserve quality match officiating too. City rode their luck in a match that swung back and forth, but appeared in control at 3-2 up, only for increasingly disinterested linesmen to be compounded by a referee picking and choosing his moments, finally deciding to award the tamest of penalties. QPR duly claimed their late lifeline back in the game as Johnson protested furiously but in truth City were always second best in the shoot out bar a brief leveller at 3-3, form being decisive as sluggish Diedhiou and out of sorts Wright, blew their lines." SAME REFEREE. Mind blowing. He is still registered as a referee . Please dont cry over spilt milk. We have experienced bad refs over the years. Even some have been in our favour. The ref is the boss if we like it or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 All the officials were terrible and Davis was merely the uber-incompetent. The Dolman-side assistant, apart from missing a few offsides, allowed Albert to dribble the ball when it was out-of-play then bring it back on the field after he'd gained about 20 yards. He also had a direct view of the Johansen handball. The Lansdown-side assistant didn't flag for an earlier handball committed about 6 feet in front of him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, TomF said: For me that was as bad as Birmingham all those years ago. Scotty D would have probably been on the pitch again last night! I also referenced that Birmingham game last night in terms of it being a generationally bad refereeing performance, however as a point of order Scott D was on the pitch after the last minute midweek penalty to Sunderland in the league earlier that season. The Birmingham game at full time was the one with Trevor Francis having a fight with a steward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Olé said: Match Report from away at Preston (September 2019): "A frenetic end to end game played out in biblical torrential rain that had everything - except a halfway competent referee. Not only were City inexplicably denied a fully deserved winner from Diedhiou's brilliant one-two and finish to seal an end to end thriller, but the match official finished the game penalising City at every opportunity. Deepdale is just minutes from the EFL HQ and if you needed a metaphor for the last few years of administrative inadequacy in a league whose quality now vastly outstrips it's organisation, it was seeing a ref unable to keep up with two fine attacking sides and who ended up cheating one of them. Referee Davies gave Preston 2 penalties to get back from two goals down, allowed a questionable third Preston equaliser and disallowed two City goals in an afternoon he routinely pulled back play, didn't keep up to award advantage, and finished the day simply penalising the dominant visitors any time they got over the halfway line." Match Report from away at QPR (August 2019): "Football is sometimes a predictable game - for example when 2 semi-reserve sides are put out for a first round cup game you can guarantee chaos and goals. Today we got both in an end to end game that even had reserve quality match officiating too. City rode their luck in a match that swung back and forth, but appeared in control at 3-2 up, only for increasingly disinterested linesmen to be compounded by a referee picking and choosing his moments, finally deciding to award the tamest of penalties. QPR duly claimed their late lifeline back in the game as Johnson protested furiously but in truth City were always second best in the shoot out bar a brief leveller at 3-3, form being decisive as sluggish Diedhiou and out of sorts Wright, blew their lines." SAME REFEREE. Mind blowing. This needs sending to ref/league authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_b Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: All the officials were terrible and Davis was merely the uber-incompetent. The Dolman-side assistant, apart from missing a few offsides, allowed Albert to dribble the ball when it was out-of-play then bring it back on the field after he'd gained about 20 yards. He also had a direct view of the Johansen handball. The Lansdown-side assistant didn't flag for an earlier handball committed about 6 feet in front of him. The ball was on the line at all times. That isn’t out of play, the same as the ball not being full over the line means it isn’t a goal. Edited December 31, 2021 by tommy_b Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Sure NP will get in trouble with FA regarding his comments last night, but at least may give the opportunity to raise and highlight how poor Davies is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, tommy_b said: The ball was on the line at all times. That isn’t out of play, the same as the ball not being full over the line means it isn’t a goal. It crossed the line 100% at one time and he dribbled it back on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, tommy_b said: The ball was on the line at all times. That isn’t out of play, the same as the ball not being full over the line means it isn’t a goal. I'm sure James with his experience possible knows this and being stood above the ball at the time had a very good view, hence why he was going so mental about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_b Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I'm sure James with his experience possible knows this and being stood above the ball at the time had a very good view, hence why he was going so mental about it And no professional footballer ever wildly appeals for a throw / corner / free kick that they know is the oppositions? The same Matty James who fell over in a 50/50 challenge outside our box, heard no whistle and yet still proceeded to scoop the ball into his arms hoping the referee wouldn’t penalise him for handball? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Just now, tommy_b said: And no professional footballer ever wildly appeals for a throw / corner / free kick that they know is the oppositions? The same Matty James who fell over in a 50/50 challenge outside our box, heard no whistle and yet still proceeded to scoop the ball into his arms hoping the referee wouldn’t penalise him for handball? Footballers appeal all the time, but you could tell from the veracity at the time the ball had clearly gone out. As for when James was over the ball, he did not pick the ball up before the whistle went, and when it did go was expecting the free kick as he was having lumps kicked out of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamdon Mart Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: I genuinely wonder if he has some deep rooted issue with us. Apparently he was on Yeovil’s books, so certainly has some connection to this part of the world. In the 3 games quoted he has given the opposition 4 penalties (2 of which were very dubious) & last night gave every marginal call to QPR. He’s either incompetent or biased. I've commented on the matchday thread, Graham, but having followed YTFC for almost fifty years, I cannot remember him at all. IF he was with us, it wasn't for very long and he wasn't very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Sure NP will get in trouble with FA regarding his comments last night, but at least may give the opportunity to raise and highlight how poor Davies is Which interview with NP are you referring to? I saw the official club interview on Twitter and was a bit disappointed that he didn't lay into the referee a bit more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coppello said: Which interview with NP are you referring to? I saw the official club interview on Twitter and was a bit disappointed that he didn't lay into the referee a bit more! The one on Sky and Quest, I think someone linked to it on another thread Basically said (along the lines of from memory), for someone who supposedly played football, albeit at a low level he was incredibly naive and got many decisions wrong, hope the next time he seems him is on the parks as that is his level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, tommy_b said: And no professional footballer ever wildly appeals for a throw / corner / free kick that they know is the oppositions? The same Matty James who fell over in a 50/50 challenge outside our box, heard no whistle and yet still proceeded to scoop the ball into his arms hoping the referee wouldn’t penalise him for handball? Once again, I disagree. The ball was kicked while under his body onto his arms. His hands were up protecting his head, which is pretty much what I'd do in the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: I genuinely wonder if he has some deep rooted issue with us. Apparently he was on Yeovil’s books, so certainly has some connection to this part of the world. In the 3 games quoted he has given the opposition 4 penalties (2 of which were very dubious) & last night gave every marginal call to QPR. He’s either incompetent or biased. Or he is a referee who can be bought? I know it is easy to blame refs when things go against us but that evening's work was the worst display from a referee that I can remember. Add the games that Olé has mentioned and I hope that City make a complaint to EFL and the Referees association. Edited December 31, 2021 by cidered abroad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Just now, cidered abroad said: Or he is a referee who can be bought? I know it is easy to blame refs when things go against us but that evening's work was the worst display from a referee that I can remember. Add the games that Olé has required and I hope that City make a complaint to EFL and the Referees association. We should but we all know that Nige will get the Mike Jones phone call saying "yeah, looked back at the VT and he was a bit shit to be honest, sorry about that Nige, we'll keep him away from you for a while" and that will be that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Do referee assessor's still attend games? Surely this guy should be put out to grass..........at a home for the permanantly bewildered? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 My only question here is this - have we ever had him and him not been incompetent to the extent of seeming corrupt? I remember the above games clearly, and if the only three times we’ve had him are those two and last night, the club should be at least making a complaint to the FA. However, if we’ve had him on a few other occasions and he’s been “fine” it just may be that he’s prone to a crap game and we’re unlucky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Does anyone know if we have reported him/requested an investigation? Even the most passive and neutral observer last night would have been hard pressed not to notice his bias. To find out this is his 3rd occurrence with us is shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 This ref also has previous this season in favour of QPR. Forest boss Cooper said the 2 penalty decisions against them were “huge huge errors”. https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-steve-cooper-qpr-6131421.amp 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, maxjak said: Do referee assessor's still attend games? Surely this guy should be put out to grass..........at a home for the permanantly bewildered? They all look after one another tbh. These Ref's see themselves as a persecuted minority and very rarely go against their own. I can guarantee you that an assessor would have given that clown an 8-9 out of 10 last night.........guaranteed. Edited December 31, 2021 by Numero Uno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 How often are the same team of officials appear together at a match? The linesman are loath to get involved unless they can help it as possibly they might be the referee the next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, tommy_b said: The ball was on the line at all times. That isn’t out of play, the same as the ball not being full over the line means it isn’t a goal. Looked out to me, It was right in front of me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 He’s on the take, must be reading all this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 hours ago, GrahamC said: I genuinely wonder if he has some deep rooted issue with us. Apparently he was on Yeovil’s books, so certainly has some connection to this part of the world. In the 3 games quoted he has given the opposition 4 penalties (2 of which were very dubious) & last night gave every marginal call to QPR. He’s either incompetent or biased. He could be both (or neither according to my legal counsel, but what do they know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Midred said: How often are the same team of officials appear together at a match? The linesman are loath to get involved unless they can help it as possibly they might be the referee the next time. They dont fanny around waving their flags nowadays - they are miked and talk to the ref directly. It would be impossible for me to see whether they discuss dubious decisions freom where I sit (my vision if less than perfect (hell, I'd make a good ref)). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I think what annoys me the most about these referee's is you get the sense they are fairly untouchable. Countless occasions we'll have the same poor ref and they barely ever lose their jobs, yet Managers lose their jobs and have to answer questions when they have not been performing. They go home, take a good pay, never see or hear from them and are never seriously questioned. It's a hard job, I get it, but when you put yourself in that position surely there has to be some consequences to poor displays of refereeing, but there never feels like there actually is any. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, 2015 said: I think what annoys me the most about these referee's is you get the sense they are fairly untouchable. Countless occasions we'll have the same poor ref and they barely ever lose their jobs, yet Managers lose their jobs and have to answer questions when they have not been performing. They go home, take a good pay, never see or hear from them and are never seriously questioned. It's a hard job, I get it, but when you put yourself in that position surely there has to be some consequences to poor displays of refereeing, but there never feels like there actually is any. They shouldn't 'lose' their jobs, there should be more transparency from officials as to why they made or didn't make decisions on the pitch, whether thats by a brief interview after the game or a meeting with the two managers where the transcript is made available. I'm not entirely sure what sort of review/training goes on with a ref after each match but it doesn't seem to be thorough enough! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Cat Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, 2015 said: I think what annoys me the most about these referee's is you get the sense they are fairly untouchable. Countless occasions we'll have the same poor ref and they barely ever lose their jobs, yet Managers lose their jobs and have to answer questions when they have not been performing. They go home, take a good pay, never see or hear from them and are never seriously questioned. It's a hard job, I get it, but when you put yourself in that position surely there has to be some consequences to poor displays of refereeing, but there never feels like there actually is any. Come back Keith Stroud....all is forgiven! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, grifty said: They shouldn't 'lose' their jobs, there should be more transparency from officials as to why they made or didn't make decisions on the pitch, whether thats by a brief interview after the game or a meeting with the two managers where the transcript is made available. I'm not entirely sure what sort of review/training goes on with a ref after each match but it doesn't seem to be thorough enough! Managers lose their jobs when they aren't performing, Referee's can also sometimes play a part in them losing their jobs too. What makes them expendable? Surely if you have 5-10 matches in a row of being consistently poor there has to be some sort of protocol or repercussions put in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, 2015 said: Managers lose their jobs when they aren't performing, Referee's can also sometimes play a part in them losing their jobs too. What makes them expendable? Surely if you have 5-10 matches in a row of being consistently poor there has to be some sort of protocol or repercussions put in place? I also think the rate that managers lose their job is crazy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUTOR Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, 2015 said: I think what annoys me the most about these referee's is you get the sense they are fairly untouchable. Countless occasions we'll have the same poor ref and they barely ever lose their jobs, yet Managers lose their jobs and have to answer questions when they have not been performing. They go home, take a good pay, never see or hear from them and are never seriously questioned. It's a hard job, I get it, but when you put yourself in that position surely there has to be some consequences to poor displays of refereeing, but there never feels like there actually is any. It’s the same in most sports. Refs, Umpires, 3rd men etc, they are protected beyond reason. Non-League refs of a certain level have to write up full transcripts detailing their decisions. Does that actually stop the higher up the pyramid you go? Baffling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I totally agree that the ref was rubbish and seemingly biased but we were also the architects of our own downfall. Again we gave a needless penalty away and King has made a stupid decision to take the 3nd yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: My only question here is this - have we ever had him and him not been incompetent to the extent of seeming corrupt? I remember the above games clearly, and if the only three times we’ve had him are those two and last night, the club should be at least making a complaint to the FA. However, if we’ve had him on a few other occasions and he’s been “fine” it just may be that he’s prone to a crap game and we’re unlucky. He did our 1-1 draw with Blackpool this season. Also the 1-1 draw with Millwall last season. In 2018/19 he did our 2-1 loss to Sheff Wed. 2017/18 he also did our opening day 3-1 win against Barnsley and the 5-0 loss to Villa. 2016/17 he did the 3-3 with Derby and the 1-0 win over Blackburn. Would have to check the match day threads and reports to see if he was shite or not, but he's refereed us a few times since we've been back in the Champ...we don't always lose. This is league games only. https://www.transfermarkt.com/andy-davies/profil/schiedsrichter/3995/plus/0?funktion=1&saison_id=2016&wettbewerb_id=GB2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: He did our 1-1 draw with Blackpool this season. Also the 1-1 draw with Millwall last season. In 2018/19 he did our 2-1 loss to Sheff Wed. 2017/18 he also did our opening day 3-1 win against Barnsley and the 5-0 loss to Villa. 2016/17 he did the 3-3 with Derby and the 1-0 win over Blackburn. Would have to check the match day threads and reports to see if he was shite or not, but he's refereed us a few times since we've been back in the Champ...we don't always lose. This is league games only. https://www.transfermarkt.com/andy-davies/profil/schiedsrichter/3995/plus/0?funktion=1&saison_id=2016&wettbewerb_id=GB2 Stop letting facts and rationality get in the way of a good ‘the ref’s a crook and hates us’ argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Stop letting facts and rationality get in the way of a good ‘the ref’s a crook and hates us’ argument Look, of course it's possible that just before leaving for Ipswich Ashton went round Davies' house, smashed up his carriage clock collection, stole all his dishwasher salt, and re-ordered his spice rack to be geographical rather than alphabetical. Its possible that this has caused Davies to hate Bristol City with a passion ever burning. Of course, that's all very very plausible. It's also possible he's just an average ref who had a crap game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Look, of course it's possible that just before leaving for Ipswich Ashton went round Davies' house, smashed up his carriage clock collection, stole all his dishwasher salt, and re-ordered his spice rack to be geographical rather than alphabetical. Its possible that this has caused Davies to hate Bristol City with a passion ever burning. Of course, that's all very very plausible. It's also possible he's just an average ref who had a crap game. Again. And again and again. There ain't no excusing this bloke. Even the QPR fans are saying they were lucky to win, and I saw one comment about maybe the ref having money on QPR :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Watching it back on quest despite the handball before the second goal being directly in front of him he didn’t react at all, that says to me his head had gone and was unable to make any decisions having guessed most of the ones beforehand. Exactly the same happened at that Preston away game He’s not a competent referee for this level and imagine the carnage if he did somehow get promoted to the prem 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, P'head Red said: I was astounded by that decision, especially as it gave them an advantage! It was accidental handball, which isn’t an offence ( if this is the same handball offence I’m thinking of!) If it was in the penalty area it’s a penalty, but it wasn’t in the penalty area. This is where the law makers have fallen down, not the referees. Personally the worst decision of the night was not to book QPR’s penalty taker, what he did by winding up the crowd is according to the laws of the game 100% a bookable offence. Most of the other decisions that got peoples backs up are simply calls from the referee, they are ‘his’ opinion, whereas obviously the majority of the crowd felt they were wrong decisions. The decisions are all down to the referee’s opinion, and until people on here are willing to go and take the course and become a referee themselves, ( because clearly everyone can do better!) you are going to have to accept it’s his call, and not yours!. There is a lack of referees in this country, especially ( obviously) at lower levels, if people feel really strongly that our referees aren’t up to it, then become one yourself, go for it Edited December 31, 2021 by Portland Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Again. And again and again. There ain't no excusing this bloke. Even the QPR fans are saying they were lucky to win, and I saw one comment about maybe the ref having money on QPR Sure, there are three examples of him refereeing us and being poor. I just checked match reports and the matchday thread from the 1-1 with Blackpool on the first day of this season. Nothing. Not a mention of the referee. So there's an example where presumably everyone was fine with his performance. Unless someone goes through his performances forensically analysing how many decisions he gets correct and how many he gets wrong, and then compares the results to all the other referees, then we can't definitively say that Andy Davies is the worst referee ever. Doing so on here is all based on eyewitness, biased, anecdotal evidence whipped up by confirmation bias, a mob mentality, and the pain of losing. There's no doubt he got some stuff wrong last night, but there is some pretty kneejerk and conspiratorial stuff in this thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bouncearoundtheground said: It’s the same in most sports. Refs, Umpires, 3rd men etc, they are protected beyond reason. Non-League refs of a certain level have to write up full transcripts detailing their decisions. Does that actually stop the higher up the pyramid you go? Baffling. Referees and the other three officials are under intense scrutiny. They are assessed every game, de- briefs are held a couple of days after every game. Every decision they make is 100% scrutinised by the assessor. TBH you can’t imagine how much pressure they are under, there are no grey areas for referees nowadays, if it’s an offence by the laws of the game it’s an offence, common sense is NOT allowed anymore. The assessors report that each official receives, including the fourth official, is so in depth you can’t imagine. The game is broken down into minutes. Anyone who thinks the officials are “protected” really hasn’t a clue ( sorry ). I am speaking as someone who sees these assessments every week, and privy to what goes on in the de briefs. Edited December 31, 2021 by Portland Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Referees and the other three officials are under intense scrutiny. They are assessed every game, de- briefs are held a couple of days after every game. Every decision they make is 100% scrutinised by the assessor. TBH you can’t imagine how much pressure they are under, there are no grey areas for referees nowadays, if it’s an offence by the laws of the game it’s an offence, common sense is NOT allowed anymore. The assessors report that each official receives, including the fourth official, is so in depth you can’t imagine. The game is broken down into minutes. Anyone who thinks the officials are “protected” really hasn’t a clue ( sorry ). I am speaking as someone who sees these assessments every week, and privy to what goes on in the de briefs. Thanks Bill So when they do assess that sh*t show (and it was a sh*t show), what will happen to our mate in the middle? What happens with these assessments and how is feedback/discipline(?) given? Like to make it clear that he made some terrible decisions for both sides - failed to book Matty James for blocking their free kick taker early on, and should have booked two City players for kicking the ball away after whistle had gone (Weiman and I think Semenyo) and penalise O'Leary for holding the ball for about 20 seconds on atleast two occasions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Referees and the other three officials are under intense scrutiny. They are assessed every game, de- briefs are held a couple of days after every game. Every decision they make is 100% scrutinised by the assessor. TBH you can’t imagine how much pressure they are under, there are no grey areas for referees nowadays, if it’s an offence by the laws of the game it’s an offence, common sense is NOT allowed anymore. The assessors report that each official receives, including the fourth official, is so in depth you can’t imagine. The game is broken down into minutes. Anyone who thinks the officials are “protected” really hasn’t a clue ( sorry ). I am speaking as someone who sees these assessments every week, and privy to what goes on in the de briefs. Despite my user name which was a bit of a tongue in cheek dig at blaming the referee for a loss. I think ref's have an almost impossible job and cannot get every decision correct, I do not mind a very fussy ref, although I prefer one who lets the game flow, but which ever it is as long as they apply it evenly to each side. As fans we often feel hard done by, but when you get the likes of NP making the comments he did, then you know the ref has had a mare. So did you think the ref and his assistants had a good game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said: The one on Sky and Quest, I think someone linked to it on another thread Basically said (along the lines of from memory), for someone who supposedly played football, albeit at a low level he was incredibly naive and got many decisions wrong, hope the next time he seems him is on the parks as that is his level Just to update and add in NP actual quotes "We came across a strong team and some dodgy refereeing. We should’ve had another penalty. The decisions were awful and I’ve told him that," “As an ex player wow, naivety beyond belief in all honesty. I know he was a lower league player, I hope the next time I see him he’s on the parks because that’s where he should be "How the assistant didn’t see it (the Scott penalty call). Look, we had it all on playing against 11 when we had 10 but the decisions just continued to be awful. It was a terrible performance by them (the officials). "I’m not someone who moans a lot but let me tell you, that was awful today, and I told him as well." 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BcFcOneLove Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: It was accidental handball, which isn’t an offence ( if this is the same handball offence I’m thinking of!) If it was in the penalty area it’s a penalty, but it wasn’t in the penalty area. This is where the law makers have fallen down, not the referees. Personally the worst decision of the night was not to book QPR’s penalty taker, what he did by winding up the crowd is according to the laws of the game 100% a bookable offence. Most of the other decisions that got peoples backs up are simply calls from the referee, they are ‘his’ opinion, whereas obviously the majority of the crowd felt they were wrong decisions. The decisions are all down to the referee’s opinion, and until people on here are willing to go and take the course and become a referee themselves, ( because clearly everyone can do better!) you are going to have to accept it’s his call, and not yours!. There is a lack of referees in this country, especially ( obviously) at lower levels, if people feel really strongly that our referees aren’t up to it, then become one yourself, go for it How Austin got away with celebrating like that was an absolute pi55 take! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Portland Bill said: Referees and the other three officials are under intense scrutiny. They are assessed every game, de- briefs are held a couple of days after every game. Every decision they make is 100% scrutinised by the assessor. TBH you can’t imagine how much pressure they are under, there are no grey areas for referees nowadays, if it’s an offence by the laws of the game it’s an offence, common sense is NOT allowed anymore. The assessors report that each official receives, including the fourth official, is so in depth you can’t imagine. The game is broken down into minutes. Anyone who thinks the officials are “protected” really hasn’t a clue ( sorry ). I am speaking as someone who sees these assessments every week, and privy to what goes on in the de briefs. What sort of score and feedback is last nights ref (and his team) likely to receive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Despite my user name which was a bit of a tongue in cheek dig at blaming the referee for a loss. I think ref's have an almost impossible job and cannot get every decision correct, I do not mind a very fussy ref, although I prefer one who lets the game flow, but which ever it is as long as they apply it evenly to each side. As fans we often feel hard done by, but when you get the likes of NP making the comments he did, then you know the ref has had a mare. So did you think the ref and his assistants had a good game? Personally, and probably because I wasn’t amongst the crowd, I didn’t think he was as bad as some are trying to make out. I understand why people think he was though. I think the crowd were baying for blood, partly because they thought we should have had a penalty ( I don’t think it was even close) and because of Charlie Austen’s antics. So every decision that went against us, especially in the second half was treated as contentious and the crowd thought was wrong. If I had been at the game I may well have been a lot angrier than I was watching it on tv!. There were a lot of niggly fouls, some could have gone either way, but the ref gave them as he saw them ( he was a lot closer than any of us). The sending off was 100%, Andy King was a complete fool for doing what he did, when there was absolutely no need. As I’ve got older ( hopefully wiser!) I don’t get irate with the officials, as I know it’s the hardest job by a million miles in football, and they give what they see in a split second. Some decisions go for you, some not, it’s always been the same. Did I think the ref had a good game, probably not. But we only have ourselves to blame for losing the game Imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfitInMyPocket Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I always look at our own performance before having a go at any referee decisions but last night was really really poor from the officiating standpoint. He wanted to be centre of attention and got it. A referee shouldn't even be noticed in a game but him being in the middle of it all says a lot. I was unsure of the Scott shout in the first half but looking back the ref and lino bottled that, but the flow of the game was so stop start. Pulling the game back for no reason. There was one moment where we pinched the ball high up and won a throw-in and the QPR player went down for no reason, we could have played on but the referee stopped the game which he should not do because it was not a head injury. It almost seemed like he wanted to slow us down, that really irritated me. He did not give a foul for that challenge because it was not a foul but that does not mean stop the game for something that was not a foul. Absolutely moronic call and it felt like it wasn't going to be our day. We were looking strong until the ref pulled up for little things and we had to build up momentum again and again. Can't fault our boys but I hope to never see him referee another one of our games again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, luke_bristol said: What sort of score and feedback is last nights ref (and his team) likely to receive? It will depend on the assessor, the assessor may well agree with the decisions the referee made. The sending off was correct, QPR’s penalty was correct, all the yellow cards were correct. Scott going down in the penalty area is a contentious one, but with one view the referee was probably correct. Lots of fouls could have gone either way, but he gave what he saw. He will get slaughtered for not booking Charlie Austin, because that is a major mistake, which is not acceptable. But saying this, I wouldn’t like to second guess an assessor, because they are a law to themselves!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, ProfitInMyPocket said: I always look at our own performance before having a go at any referee decisions but last night was really really poor from the officiating standpoint. He wanted to be centre of attention and got it. A referee shouldn't even be noticed in a game but him being in the middle of it all says a lot. I was unsure of the Scott shout in the first half but looking back the ref and lino bottled that, but the flow of the game was so stop start. Pulling the game back for no reason. There was one moment where we pinched the ball high up and won a throw-in and the QPR player went down for no reason, we could have played on but the referee stopped the game which he should not do because it was not a head injury. It almost seemed like he wanted to slow us down, that really irritated me. He did not give a foul for that challenge because it was not a foul but that does not mean stop the game for something that was not a foul. Absolutely moronic call and it felt like it wasn't going to be our day. We were looking strong until the ref pulled up for little things and we had to build up momentum again and again. Can't fault our boys but I hope to never see him referee another one of our games again. The only reason he stopped the game for the alleged injury, ‘was’ because the ball was out of play. Unfortunately that’s become the norm, and us as City fans would have been incensed if it was one of our players and the ref hadn’t stopped the game. Yes, it was gamesmanship, but every team does it!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ProfitInMyPocket said: I always look at our own performance before having a go at any referee decisions but last night was really really poor from the officiating standpoint. He wanted to be centre of attention and got it. A referee shouldn't even be noticed in a game but him being in the middle of it all says a lot. I was unsure of the Scott shout in the first half but looking back the ref and lino bottled that, but the flow of the game was so stop start. Pulling the game back for no reason. There was one moment where we pinched the ball high up and won a throw-in and the QPR player went down for no reason, we could have played on but the referee stopped the game which he should not do because it was not a head injury. It almost seemed like he wanted to slow us down, that really irritated me. He did not give a foul for that challenge because it was not a foul but that does not mean stop the game for something that was not a foul. Absolutely moronic call and it felt like it wasn't going to be our day. We were looking strong until the ref pulled up for little things and we had to build up momentum again and again. Can't fault our boys but I hope to never see him referee another one of our games again. And I think that's where Nige normally is with it too, certainly there have been games this season where he probably would have been within his rights to mention the referee but hasn't done because he didn't want it to excuse our own shortcomings (the Forest game springs to mind). However last night's clown was that bad, and the team performance was more than worthy of at least a point, that he felt strongly enough to to be able to say so. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Loïs said: Thanks Bill So when they do assess that sh*t show (and it was a sh*t show), what will happen to our mate in the middle? What happens with these assessments and how is feedback/discipline(?) given? Like to make it clear that he made some terrible decisions for both sides - failed to book Matty James for blocking their free kick taker early on, and should have booked two City players for kicking the ball away after whistle had gone (Weiman and I think Semenyo) and penalise O'Leary for holding the ball for about 20 seconds on atleast two occasions The marks the referee gets are culminated ( if that’s the right word?) over a season. If he gets constantly low marks then he will more than likely get demoted. As he is an ex pro footballer I don’t know if he got fast tracked through the leagues, as this is what football fans have been telling us they want, ie, ex players. I think the reaction he has got from City fans may just prove the point that it doesn’t matter at all if you have played the game at a good level, because refereeing is 100% the opposite from playing the game, and don’t I know it!!. Most referees who get to the top level will have been doing it for 30 years, ex pro footballers will never get to do the hard early years. That’s where the top officials learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: The only reason he stopped the game for the alleged injury, ‘was’ because the ball was out of play. Unfortunately that’s become the norm, and us as City fans would have been incensed if it was one of our players and the ref hadn’t stopped the game. Yes, it was gamesmanship, but every team does it!. Their player should have been carded for feigning a head injury. At no point did anything touch his head apart from his own hands. I'd love to see retrospective punishments handed out for am dram like that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-referee-comments-qpr-6446963 Nige's post match comments are being "investigated" by the FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I see that Rooney wasn't happy with Mr Davies's performance last night against Cardiff. So perhaps he is just incompetent.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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