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Silvio Dante

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23 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

And to think some people thought he wasn't good enough for City

He wasn’t.

If he was motivated, and turned up, then  he was. Undoubtedly he is in AFCON for his country, but he played when he could be arsed for us, which was about 50% of the time. And in the last six months, 0% of the time.

Its not about being “not good enough for us”, it’s about a fundamental lack of effort, which he defaulted to far too often for him to be looked on fondly for his time here.

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6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

He wasn’t.

If he was motivated, and turned up, then  he was. Undoubtedly he is in AFCON for his country, but he played when he could be arsed for us, which was about 50% of the time. And in the last six months, 0% of the time.

Its not about being “not good enough for us”, it’s about a fundamental lack of effort, which he defaulted to far too often for him to be looked on fondly for his time here.

But people always used to moan about his poor touch and goals ratio

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1 minute ago, Carey 6 said:

Reminds me of Portugal winning the Euros playing shit football. 

But?........Senegal won it playing excellent football

5 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Makes me laugh all the losing players crying.........they earn a fortune playing sport,  and have the best pheckin lifestyle, get over it   Ha!!

Blimey there are a lot of confused people out there?

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3 minutes ago, maxjak said:

But?........Senegal won it playing excellent football

Blimey there are a lot of confused people out there?

Haha yeah I just meant somehow getting through a tournament whilst looking very poor attacking wise. Shows all styles have their place still. 

IIRC the Portuguese finished 3rd in their group & only won one game in normal time. 

Fair play to Senegal. Really happy for big Fam.

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2 minutes ago, Super said:

Why do teams leave the best takers till the end? Crazy.

 

1 minute ago, Carey 6 said:

Yeah crazy that Senegal did just that and won because of it ?

There was analysis done a few years ago that suggested the later, higher pressure pens benefitted from the best players taking them, as they were more likely to be crucial. The obvious retort is ‘if they take them’. Perhaps the solution is somewhere in the middle? 

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3 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

I guess there is more pressure on say the 4th and 5th pen takers verses the first and second. All I know is don't let Gordon Owen take one.

Yes but like tonight it may not reach them.

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Egypt are so bad, apart from their keeper I am so glad that Mane slotted that second one in the shoot out. Under pressure Salah should have stepped up earlier though, all well and good taking the winning kick but not if it doesn’t make it to you. 
 

People saying Senegal did the same thing but Senegal have far better players and I know it’s only penalties but quality shows when it’s fine margins like that.

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22 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Christ you're weird.

To give u some perspective into my weirdness, I have had some upsetting news about a family member.  So while i appreciate the stress and emotion involved in a high pressure sporting event, it occurred to while watching all these players blubbing........that they earn a fortune doing one of the best jobs in the world, they have beautiful houses, probably beautiful wives and yet they worry about a defeat so much that cry their eyes out.  I completely understand their disappointment, but when they wake up tomorrow, i am certain it won't seem too bad.  It's a football match....and tomorrow there will be another football match........?   PS.  I have also had a drink, which no doubt lubricates my judgement?

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Carey 6

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56 minutes ago, Henry said:

I think Fam is very lucky to be getting all the congratulations from City fans (and the club) when he effectively downed tools for 6 months last year.

I think it's because aside from the last few months of his career here, he was a 100%er. Might not have had the best touch, or have been the quickest player, but very often left everything out there. Didn't he win POTS the summer before?

Had we gone down last season, I don't think he'd be getting the same respect but we didn't. His goals in games last season actually won us quite a few points. Late ones against Wycombe, Derby and Blackburn certainly getting us 9 points.

Half the team those final few months didn't seem like they were trying & with their contracts running out it didn't surprise me much. 

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58 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

I think it's because aside from the last few months of his career here, he was a 100%er. Might not have had the best touch, or have been the quickest player, but very often left everything out there. Didn't he win POTS the summer before?

Had we gone down last season, I don't think he'd be getting the same respect but we didn't. His goals in games last season actually won us quite a few points. Late ones against Wycombe, Derby and Blackburn certainly getting us 9 points.

Half the team those final few months didn't seem like they were trying & with their contracts running out it didn't surprise me much. 

I have to disagree on him being 100%er and leaving everything out there. He was often the weak link in our pressing game. I seem to remember he had a good January last season then dropped out once the window shut.

I don’t miss the bloke any harm, but if he didn’t ‘come from Knowle’ I think fans would remember him differently.

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23 minutes ago, Henry said:

I have to disagree on him being 100%er and leaving everything out there. He was often the weak link in our pressing game. I seem to remember he had a good January last season then dropped out once the window shut.

I don’t miss the bloke any harm, but if he didn’t ‘come from Knowle’ I think fans would remember him differently.

Yeah wasn't great at pressing, but think a lot of that was down to mobility. Still feel like he often put his all in.  Agree to disagree I suppose. 

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12 hours ago, Super said:

Yes but like tonight it may not reach them.

Over the long term I think it might be a good strategy to adopt, depending on how much it improves your chances of getting 5 out of 5 and 4 out of 5. Especially if it's 4-4 or 4-5 against and you have one left to take. If you're missing 2 from 5 (assuming say Salah went first and scored), you probably still aren't winning, although there is maybe more pressure on the oppositions later takers.

The result was probably down to a butterfly flapping it's wings in South America anyway, and I'm glad Egypt didn't win.

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2 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

Yeah wasn't great at pressing, but think a lot of that was down to mobility. Still feel like he often put his all in.  Agree to disagree I suppose. 

I agree with Henry that regardless of what went before, it left a bitter taste with me with how Fam took the piss for the last 6 months.

That said, I’d put money on us not shipping so many goals if he was here currently and actually trying.  

Not really what a striker’s for, but we’ve massively missed his presence when helping out the defence and we definitely didn’t see the opposition getting free headers on so many high balls into the box from dead ball situations.

 

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1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said:

I agree with Henry that regardless of what went before, it left a bitter taste with me with how Fam took the piss for the last 6 months.

That said, I’d put money on us not shipping so many goals if he was here currently and actually trying.  

Not really what a striker’s for, but we’ve massively missed his presence when helping out the defence and we definitely didn’t see the opposition getting free headers on so many high balls into the box from dead ball situations.

 

Yep definitely have missed that. He cleared one away from a corner with his head in the semi final & I was thinking we’ve missed that a lot this year. Was very good at it. 

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