Never to the dark side Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday 8 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday What absolute rubbish. Our performances have improved by playing through the midfield and we have created far more chances. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday I don’t think anyone should be taking lessons in entertainment from someone who enjoys counting passenger coming off trains at Parsons Street. So much wrong in your post it’s making my head hurt. 5 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday Can't agree at all. There's nothing worse for me than seeing a defender aimlessly punt the ball up the pitch, with us inevitably losing possession and them coming back at us. It's dull, it's boring and frankly quite painful to watch. It's not playing football. These guys are paid megabucks to PLAY football. Not hoof it up the pitch whenever we have the ball. It is an entertainment business, if the football is dire, win lose or draw, I'm not impressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) The key thing is to know when to play it short and when to play it long. I get very frustrated (at all levels) when I see teams slavishly playing out from the back, or equally consistently playing it long. There is a good case for playing long balls when you are being pressed by opponents, or (particularly at grassroots level) when you are playing on a boggy uneven pitch. The key is to train and encourage players to have the intelligence to decide when it is right to go short or to go long. Edited January 12, 2022 by The Dolman Pragmatist 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderJar Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The rule is, if you are trying to play out from the back and are not very good at it, then hoof it. It is kind of a delayed hoof-ball if you will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 This was a brave post NTTDS 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I’d hate to watch that, I’d also hate to play in a team like that. Worth a thought when trying to sign players I would imagine. Playing with intelligence is the key. COYR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWred Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Could not disagree anymore! Life is way to short to spend £30 on your team draw 0-0 at home to Preston North End without creating a single clear cut opportunity.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Horses for courses. If you have the players capable of playing confidently out from the back...fine. If you don't, it can be a very uncomfortable watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: This was a brave post NTTDS That’s one word for it…. If there isn’t a whoosh coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 This of course pre supposes that if we had kicked it long v Huddersfield & QPR, (in my book we drew with Fulham, as it was 0-0 at 90 minutes) we would have got better results. There is absolutely no guarantee that would have happened & a lot of us wouldn’t be seeing the progress we believe is happening if we had. Nonsense post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 You mean hoof it towards Martin and give the ball straight back? It all depends on the players and the opposition. If you're a League 2 team you don't try it against the best team in Europe like we witnessed the other night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Betty Swallocks said: I don’t think anyone should be taking lessons in entertainment from someone who enjoys counting passenger coming off trains at Parsons Street. So much wrong in your post it’s making my head hurt. 43 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: This was a brave post NTTDS I think NTTDS is on a wind up…………. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 If we hoof the ball its very likely to be hoofed straight back again. A bit like taking a flight to somewhere and turning round and coming straight back again and who in their right mind would want to do that? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desso Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday Put the top back on the bottle John. There's a good chap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Passing accuracy: All passes (inc long passes) - Champ average 79.8% accurate Long passes - 52% Long passes make up on average 44 of 356 passes made per game (12.36%) I just don't have the words to express how much I like this post!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Robbored said: I think NTTDS is on a wind up…………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 We've looked better without Martin on the pitch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: The key thing is to know when to play it short and when to play it long. I get very frustrated (at all levels) when I see teams slavishly playing out from the back, or equally consistently playing it long. There is a good case for playing long balls when you are being pressed by opponents, or (particularly at grassroots level) when you are playing on a boggy uneven pitch. The key is to train and encourage players to have the intelligence to decide when it is right to go short or to go long. Exactly. Football isn't a one dimensional game. I've seen Man City score goals where Ederson has picked a 70 yard pass out...... who can say that is wrong. However this 50/50 nonsense spouted in the original post is way off the mark. That is why we have been better in the last 3-4 games.....because we have mixed our play up a bit rather than playing the predictable longer ball game that the original poster seems so keen to reintroduce. I'm guessing it's down to both the Manager and players having the confidence to mix it up now together with O'Leary coming in and playing a risker possession game than Bentley does. Also agree that sideways and backwards for 57 passes in your own half is no better than just lumping it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: If I want to be entertainment. I'll go and my favourite music band. Grand Funk Railroad or perhaps Manhattan Transfer Strictly speaking Manhattan Transfer was not a train. However it was a railroad facility. Between 1910 and sometime in the 1930’s, Manhattan Transfer was where Pennsylvania Railroad passenger and mail trains switched from steam to electric power for the run under the Hudson River into Penn Station in midtown Manhattan. There was and may still be a jazz vocal group called Manhattan Transfer. After the 1930’s the line was electrified all the way from New York City to Washington DC (and Harrisburg PA for westbound trains) and Manhattan Transfer was no longer needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Hoofball is generally a disaster because you lose the ball so often and it doesn’t take long for it to come back at you. Long balls are only good if you’ve got a brilliant quarterback passer, or the opposition are playing a high line and you want to counter attack behind them. Hoofing it to a big target man to try and get second balls rarely works. And we haven’t got one anyway! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Grand Funk Railroad or perhaps Manhattan Transfer Strictly speaking Manhattan Transfer was not a train. However it was a railroad facility. Between 1910 and sometime in the 1930’s, Manhattan Transfer was where Pennsylvania Railroad passenger and mail trains switched from steam to electric power for the run under the Hudson River into Penn Station in midtown Manhattan. There was and may still be a jazz vocal group called Manhattan Transfer. After the 1930’s the line was electrified all the way from New York City to Washington DC (and Harrisburg PA for westbound trains) and Manhattan Transfer was no longer needed. You’ve managed to bring railways into a @Never to the dark side post by linking it to bands. (Well done) Something more appropriate might have been The Alan Parsons Project or Gram Parsons. Even better would have been Parson Street Blues by Mattbowe Edited January 12, 2022 by pongo88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Hoofball is what I thought football was, when I used to watch Match of The Day as a small child, back in the early 70s. I guess the TV cameras didn't do the game justice… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday Imagine thinking so much of yourself that you demand the club plays the football you desire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 No team should have a set way of playing, It needs to be fluid in order to suit the conditions and situation, There are time when lumping is needed and there are times when calm passing and possession retention is needed 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Head Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 45 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Grand Funk Railroad or perhaps Manhattan Transfer Strictly speaking Manhattan Transfer was not a train. However it was a railroad facility. Between 1910 and sometime in the 1930’s, Manhattan Transfer was where Pennsylvania Railroad passenger and mail trains switched from steam to electric power for the run under the Hudson River into Penn Station in midtown Manhattan. There was and may still be a jazz vocal group called Manhattan Transfer. After the 1930’s the line was electrified all the way from New York City to Washington DC (and Harrisburg PA for westbound trains) and Manhattan Transfer was no longer needed. Choose life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: No team should have a set way of playing, It needs to be fluid in order to suit the conditions and situation, There are time when lumping is needed and there are times when calm passing and possession retention is needed Of course there are times when it’s necessary to lump it particularly if your goal is under threat but adopting ‘hoof ball’ as a style ala the old Wimbledon isn’t a style that’s successful as well being dreadful to watch. Personally I absolutely hate it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Betty Swallocks said: don’t think anyone should be taking lessons in entertainment from someone who enjoys counting passenger coming off trains at Parsons Street. I'll make a note of that .. Edited January 12, 2022 by Son of Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBris_Southstand Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Over the last few years (mostly players under Johnson ironically) we could have had a great hoof-ball 11. 4-4-2 (Obviously) Maenpaa - 6ft 3 Wright 6ft - Flint 6ft 5 - Baker 6ft 2 - Magnússon 6 ft 3 + Long throw bonus for long ball kudos Brownhill 5ft 11 - Pack 6ft 2 - Jens Hegeler 6ft 4 - O'dowda 6ft Djuric 6ft 6 - Abraham - 6ft 3 Now admittedly all those players weren't together at the same time, and they would have probably played like shit (Hegeler - Pack midfield 2 anyone?) but still, set piece threat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. Now this is worth a thread on its own. What, perchance might NTTDS' favourite band be? 'Grand Funk Railroad' is probably the right age bracket but they had few hits this side of the pond. Perchance early 80s guitar band 'Daniel Takes A Train'? If so NTTDS' they've reformed and you're in luck. One founding member is a neighbour of mine so I'm sure you'll be good for a backstage pass..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Now that it appears we are trying to play football again I will start coming back to AG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday How is it a 50/50 chance? If it doesn't make it to one of our players then it's coming straight back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final 3 Star Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: Now this is worth a thread on its own. What, perchance might NTTDS' favourite band be? 'Grand Funk Railroad' is probably the right age bracket but they had few hits this side of the pond. Perchance early 80s guitar band 'Daniel Takes A Train'? If so NTTDS' they've reformed and you're in luck. One founding member is a neighbour of mine so I'm sure you'll be good for a backstage pass..... After scrolling through my vast memorized archive of appropriate band names, I came up with... Train. Edited January 12, 2022 by Final 3 Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday Utter bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 If we're going to hoof it up the pitch we should do it like they do in rugby and hoof it our for a throw by their corner flag, then just mark every player up in the corner to win possession from the throw. Why not eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, TBW said: If we're going to hoof it up the pitch we should do it like they do in rugby and hoof it our for a throw by their corner flag, then just mark every player up in the corner to win possession from the throw. Why not eh? Get Kalas to launch his throws high then get two of our lads to “lift” Martin up line out style and head it in from 10ft up in the air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bredwood Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Surely if you want to watch hoofball then all you have do is go to the other side of town and watch a Rovers match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Numero Uno said: Get Kalas to launch his throws high then get two of our lads to “lift” Martin up line out style and head it in from 10ft up in the air That too. Tactical masterclass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 12 hours ago, Monkeh said: No team should have a set way of playing, It needs to be fluid in order to suit the conditions and situation, There are time when lumping is needed and there are times when calm passing and possession retention is needed Although I agree in a way with your general tone, in other words, play smart, a few things. When are the conditions bad nowadays on a Championship pitch? They are like bowling greens. The weather, always best to keep it on the deck when it’s windy & then it’s zippy (is that a word?) in the rain. Also, does that mean we play without one of the latest buzz words, ‘ identity ‘? Really, we just need to be really good at what we do! COYR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 @Never to the dark side You're entitled to your opinion, but mine is the opposite. I would rather watch entertaining football than win at any cost. Hopefully, it would be winning entertaining football played by youngsters from our academy, but I would probably stop going if say Pulis came back and implemented style of play. My concern, until recent games, has been the style of football we have been playing. Now we have young commited players that are playing with bravery and expressing themselves. Results will come I'm sure. That'll do me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 12/01/2022 at 09:52, Carey 6 said: We've looked better without Martin on the pitch. We have indeed, although Martin is a great alternative option to bring on from the bench, like Wilbraham was used in the Championship for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 12/01/2022 at 07:07, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday I'm sure that Nige would gladly go along with this John, but Jamal Matt and Michael Smith aren't returning his calls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 On 12/01/2022 at 07:07, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday Thanks Dan - you just keep concentrating on you keeping skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) On 12/01/2022 at 01:07, Never to the dark side said: The performances in the the last four games(one win and three defeats) have been better. As a fan I ain't in the entertainment business when going to watch my team,I am there to watch them beat the opposition If I want to be entertainment.I'll go and my favourite music band. If we play hoof ball from our keeper,the ball is then half way up the pitch. Its then a fifty fifty chance of the ball going towards the oppositions goal Hoof ball every time over entertainment any day. See all you hoardes at Fulham on Saturday Oh so many whooshes so little time! Edited January 13, 2022 by REDOXO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Nothing is wrong with a long pass If the adress is right. Cotts said once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Thanks for all the replys, and as reward for your thoughts if any of the replyers are heading to Fulham I'll buy your first pint at the fox and hounds pub which is on the southern side of the river,next to Pultney train stration and the pints are cheaper there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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