GrahamC Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Playing for Derry City today, just scored 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNachos Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Lack of communication from the club on this lad is very poor, assuming that's a trial. what a waste of a young hungry player, they might seem to be for us now in the likes of Bell, Conway, Benarous and Scott but talented young lads don't grow on trees. good luck to the lad if he goes to Derry, reckon he'll have a solid career 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 As a Trialist not right to do official comms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dREDful Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I mean if his level is Derry, his level isn't us. Good luck to him though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 But West Brom want him?! No matter how many times his agent feeds stories about West Brom, Wolves or whoever, it doesn’t make it true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Davefevs said: As a Trialist not right to do official comms. Nige said awhile back that Britton doesn’t have the physically as yet to push for a first team place and that he lacks enough games playing competitive mens matches. Since then things have obviously changed if Britton is trialling in Ireland. Maybe he’s been released?………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: But West Brom want him?! No matter how many times his agent feeds stories about West Brom, Wolves or whoever, it doesn’t make it true They’re true to the extent he’d go in and play 23’s allowing a better prospect to go out on loan. If the gamble paid off and some EFL club then wanted to pay a fee for him then great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Could be a trial for a loan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Nige said awhile back that Britton doesn’t have the physically as yet to push for a first team place and that he lacks enough games playing competitive mens matches. Since then things have obviously changed if Britton is trialling in Ireland. Maybe he’s been released?………. Fitness was what he said, no question about his physicality. Nige also said that he can make an impact too. Despite getting himself fit / fitter, I’d say he’s not looked as good for the u23s this season as last season. I’m sure @Lrrr might suggest we aren’t playing quite the same system as last season, where we often played Bell and Conway either side of him. 37 minutes ago, DaveF said: Could be a trial for a loan? Yep, exactly could be that. The Irish league starts soon, today was a friendly. Not sure if they’re qualified for Europe again, like last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Robbored said: Nige said awhile back that Britton doesn’t have the physically as yet to push for a first team place and that he lacks enough games playing competitive mens matches. Since then things have obviously changed if Britton is trialling in Ireland. Maybe he’s been released?………. All I know is last season he battered two Brentford defenders and scored a goal ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: All I know is last season he battered two Brentford defenders and scored a goal ? A one-off game Rob. Didn’t cement him a place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Davefevs said: Fitness was what he said, no question about his physicality. Nige also said that he can make an impact too. Despite getting himself fit / fitter, I’d say he’s not looked as good for the u23s this season as last season. I’m sure @Lrrr might suggest we aren’t playing quite the same system as last season, where we often played Bell and Conway either side of him Edwards/Janneh more so for second half the season when he was back. Conway/Bell was more paired upfront with 2 up top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I'm not as bothered about this now we've given Martin a rest and Antoine has turned into a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Nige said awhile back that Britton doesn’t have the physically as yet to push for a first team place and that he lacks enough games playing competitive mens matches. Since then things have obviously changed if Britton is trialling in Ireland. Maybe he’s been released?………. Strange if he has been released mid way through the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I think we probably have to say that Louis has missed the bus in terms of making it at City. He undoubtedly seems to have the knack of scoring goals, but if there was ever a season to break through it was this one - we’re operating with a small squad, a manager who’s giving young players minutes and he was the like for like replacement for someone who desperately needed resting in CM. Add into that I think it’s now three loans at Conference level without pulling up trees, and I think it looks the right decision to part ways. A comment that I haven’t seen referenced much from Niges presser was his statement to the effect of that if you’re not in and around at 19, you rarely will be in and around (yes there are Vardy and Reid type exceptions) and this seems to fall into that category. What I think we have to realise is that now the academy is producing, players that may have made it here or at least been given a crack won’t come through - I’m thinking players like Harper here - and the 19 year olds will have 18/17 year olds snapping at their heels. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: All I know is last season he battered two Brentford defenders and scored a goal ? But we can all do that on our day, it's doing it consistently that matters (although one can only do it twice a season v Brentford if in the same division as them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, bris red said: Strange if he has been released mid way through the season? How come he’s on trial at another club then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WECANDO Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Robbored said: A one-off game Rob. Didn’t cement him a place. If they only allowed him one game, what could he do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Nige said awhile back that Britton doesn’t have the physically as yet to push for a first team place and that he lacks enough games playing competitive mens matches. Since then things have obviously changed if Britton is trialling in Ireland. Maybe he’s been released?………. He was put on a training routine to improve his fitness. If you've seen him, you'll know his physicality is ok. He has been playing for the U23's, but he probably needs a loan and a step up in standard , playing in mens football to improve properly. I think he's under contract until June, important period for him. Personally, I'm not sure, more excited with Conway. I hope Britton can get a run of games somewhere and prove me wrong. Not all about goals, though he seems to have that bit covered, be good to keep an eye on this move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, Robbored said: How come he’s on trial at another club then? Yeah i am in agreement it is looking likely he has been released. Just seems very odd to release a player who had a certain amount of hype about him (scored on his pro debut local lad etc) mid way their the season with no announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, bris red said: Strange if he has been released mid way through the season? The ROI league is a summer one so maybe that had a bearing on timing? Not that we know if he has been released or not but it would makes sense from Derry`s point of view to get him in for pre-season and have a proper look if they`re genuinely interested. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Might just be a loan move. Also remember footballers need to be natural athletes for the top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Come on, he's under contract until 31/7/2022. He can't be released unless he's asked for a contract cancellation, which seems unlikely given that he only on trial at Derry. If Derry want him then the city contract might be cancelled early by mutual consent, or he might be loaned til the end of his city contract if his city wages are higher than the derry offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Robbored said: A one-off game Rob. Didn’t cement him a place. Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, handsofclay said: But we can all do that on our day, it's doing it consistently that matters (although one can only do it twice a season v Brentford if in the same division as them). He didn't get another chance to prove himself obviously his face didn't fit west Brom and wolves watching him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. Sorry, what does the above mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: He didn't get another chance to prove himself obviously his face didn't fit west Brom and wolves watching him. All this interest But he’s ended up on trial at Derry, after what seems like multiple failed loans to the conference/ conference south? To be clear, I have nothing against the kid and hope he makes a very good career for himself, but this obsession that it’s a travesty he’s not getting a new contract is all a bit weird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, super slick said: All this interest But he’s ended up on trial at Derry, after what seems like multiple failed loans to the conference/ conference south? To be clear, I have nothing against the kid and hope he makes a very good career for himself, but this obsession that it’s a travesty he’s not getting a new contract is all a bit weird! It's simple. He's well known by a lot of people who think he should be given a pro contract but aren't really qualified to make that decision. I trust the people we have in charge now to get that decision right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Sorry, what does the above mean? It means the poster is semi-literate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. I'll humour you....... Do you think that watching the kid train every day might give Pearson a better opinion of his current ability than you? How come he never smashed it on loan at Woking if he is as good as you say he is? Were they picking on him too? You don't think Scott and Benarous are better than Britton? What problem does Pearson have with the lad? I'm asking because you state it is so obvious but I'm a bit dimp and can't see it....... If West Brom and Wolves are watching him what is he doing on loan at some League of Ireland mob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, super slick said: All this interest But he’s ended up on trial at Derry, after what seems like multiple failed loans to the conference/ conference south? To be clear, I have nothing against the kid and hope he makes a very good career for himself, but this obsession that it’s a travesty he’s not getting a new contract is all a bit weird! Quite. I remember well when many fans insisted Frankie Artus was the next big thing and GJ was victimising him. Guess who was right? As you say let's hope he has a good career to come. For all we know it might yet be with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. Could Pearson's 'problem' with him be that he isn't good enough? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DaveF said: Could Pearson's 'problem' with him be that he isn't good enough? It would be strange for a Manager who, because of severe financial restrictions, seems ultra keen to give young un's a go IF THEY ARE UP TO IT to have a problem with this one kid. Apparently it's obvious to a number of fans who have only seen the kid play once at a proper level and never watched him train though. Edited January 23, 2022 by Numero Uno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: It means the poster is semi-literate. It was a genuine question, I was wondering whether the drink / smoke stuff had any substance (no pun)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, Davefevs said: It was a genuine question, I was wondering whether the drink / smoke stuff had any substance (no pun)? It was a genuine answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said: Come on, he's under contract until 31/7/2022. He can't be released unless he's asked for a contract cancellation, which seems unlikely given that he only on trial at Derry. If Derry want him then the city contract might be cancelled early by mutual consent, or he might be loaned til the end of his city contract if his city wages are higher than the derry offer. Exactly what I don’t understand. Although he may have been advised his contract is not likely to be renewed but who the hell knows..as someone says the LoI season is just starting, he needs a run of games, this might be the perfect move for him and let us not forget he scored yesterday. There might be a few on this thread writing him off a bit quick for completely the wrong reasons. Britton now goes into what is effectively a preseason, so we will see if they can get his fitness levels up and he can score some goals! Although this could be last chance saloon at City no doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, REDOXO said: Exactly what I don’t understand. Although he may have been advised his contract is not likely to be renewed but who the hell knows..as someone says the LoI season is just starting, he needs a run of games, this might be the perfect move for him and let us not forget he scored yesterday. There might be a few on this thread writing him off a bit quick for completely the wrong reasons. Britton now goes into what is effectively a preseason, so we will see if they can get his fitness levels up and he can score some goals! Although this could be last chance saloon at City no doubt. Agree with last comment. If Pearson is being asked to “build” something then these are decisions that need to be made. Are these lads going to be good enough for what he needs or not? Same with Bakinson and anyone else. We are no longer a club that can stockpile clubs in the bag in the hope that a percentage of them will come good eventually, a luxury afforded to LJ. We don’t have those finances any more. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 If Pearson does not think hes good enough for the club then thats all the info I need! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Sorry, what does the above mean? I think it means he’s a personal friend to the poster who is blinkered because of it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, RobintheRed Red said: Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. Seems unfair that Britton doesn't drink and doesn't get a look in but Chris Martin loves a Thatcher's Gold and gets to start every match... 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Looks very fit inthe picture good luck wherever you end up lad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said: It means the poster is semi-literate. Can see why Tommy Cooper is your logo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Numero Uno said: I'll humour you....... Do you think that watching the kid train every day might give Pearson a better opinion of his current ability than you? How come he never smashed it on loan at Woking if he is as good as you say he is? Were they picking on him too? You don't think Scott and Benarous are better than Britton? What problem does Pearson have with the lad? I'm asking because you state it is so obvious but I'm a bit dimp and can't see it....... If West Brom and Wolves are watching him what is he doing on loan at some League of Ireland mob? Not comparing with the likes of Scott and Benarous I'm talking Pearson Bell and conway . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Banjo Island said: Looks very fit inthe picture good luck wherever you end up lad Hopefully the medical team and club use more than a photograph to determine whether a player is up to the physical demands of Championship football.,.., Edited January 23, 2022 by Numero Uno 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, RobintheRed Red said: Not comparing with the likes of Scott and Benarous I'm talking Pearson Bell and conway . Pearson is on loan, same as Britton and so was Bell so it seems to me the only player that Nige really thinks is close is Conway. I would have thought there will be footballing reasons for that rather than because he likes Conway and hates the others. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Pearson is on loan, same as Britton and so was Bell so it seems to me the only player that Nige really thinks is close is Conway. I would have thought there will be footballing reasons for that rather than because he likes Conway and hates the others. States on Bristol live hes being released . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: States on Bristol live hes being released . Can only assume it’s for football reasons then. Certainly no comments made like the Bakinson situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Agree with last comment. If Pearson is being asked to “build” something then these are decisions that need to be made. Are these lads going to be good enough for what he needs or not? Same with Bakinson and anyone else. We are no longer a club that can stockpile clubs in the bag in the hope that a percentage of them will come good eventually, a luxury afforded to LJ. We don’t have those finances any more. Exactly. The hope is we can keep Scott, Benny, Semenyo, Pring, (who is doing very well) etc and maybe Louis meets his burden of evidence for Pearso. But I’m not holding my breath that at least one of our kids will be off for big money freeing up space for another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Let’s be honest, based on what we’ve seen with Nige, if he was good enough, he’d have been given a chance in the 1st team squad. The fact he hasn’t, says all we need to know and that’s good enough for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: Let’s be honest, based on what we’ve seen with Nige, if he was good enough, he’d have been given a chance in the 1st team squad. The fact he hasn’t, says all we need to know and that’s good enough for me I agree certainly up until now But players develop that’s the point of the player development department. Last chance saloon as I said earlier for Britton but if the point is to give him a chance a preseason in Ireland is a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Not comparing with the likes of Scott and Benarous I'm talking Pearson Bell and conway . The manager believes in Conway and has played him when he's been fit. Ditto Bell. Sam Pearson's not good enough. So what's your point? It's demonstrably obvious, noted by various posters with reasoned arguments more than once, that Britton isn't physically up to Championship standard. There's no doubting he has natural ability when it comes to putting the ball in the net but modern football requires supreme physical athleticism above all else which he hasn't got and is unlikely to develop no matter how "fit" he gets. Semenyo is the exact opposite - superb physical attributes, poor technique. But his technique can be improved through hard work and good coaching - we've seen that already. The areas Britton needs to work on cannot be so readily improved, if at all - it's down to DNA by and large - watch the video with Dave Rennie talking about the most important quality in modern top level football being explosive power. Semenyo has this in spades, Britton has the explosiveness of a tub of lard. That's not to say he can't have a career - there will always be a need for players who can find the net as well as he can, just not at the level City are aspiring to. This is all pretty obvious stuff so I can only assume the reason you're getting your knickers in a twist is you're his dad or something. We took a punt on a local lad with some ability. Like most punts it wasn't a winner. It hasn't cost us much so no harm done. Next. Edited January 23, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The fascination with Britton is baffling to me. He scored a nothing goal late in a game where both teams fates were decided. That plus some goals against increasingly younger u23 sides. Couldn’t make it at conference level last season. Then again this season. Now his trials are at Derry City. What is there to discuss here? Pearson told you what he thought of him in June. Contracts for Scott, Edwards, Conway etc and Britton nothing. Then says his fitness isn’t up to standard. He doesn’t train with the first team. Yet still some saying he should have had more chances here? Crazy 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: The fascination with Britton is baffling to me. He scored a nothing goal late in a game where both teams fates were decided. That plus some goals against increasingly younger u23 sides. Couldn’t make it at conference level last season. Then again this season. Now his trials are at Derry City. What is there to discuss here? Pearson told you what he thought of him in June. Contracts for Scott, Edwards, Conway etc and Britton nothing. Then says his fitness isn’t up to standard. He doesn’t train with the first team. Yet still some saying he should have had more chances here? Crazy 8 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: The manager believes in Conway and has played him when he's been fit. Ditto Bell. Sam Pearson's not good enough. So what's your point? It's demonstrably obvious, noted by various posters with reasoned arguments, that Britton isn't physically up to Championship standard. There's no doubting he has natural ability when it comes to putting the ball in the net but modern football requires supreme physical athleticism above all else which he hasn't got and is unlikely to develop no matter how "fit" he gets. Semenyo is the exact opposite - superb physical attributes, poor technique. But his technique can be improved through hard work and good coaching - we've seen that already. The areas Britton needs to work on cannot be so readily improved, if at all - it's down to DNA by and large - watch the video with Dave Rennie talking about the most important quality in modern top level football being explosive power. Semenyo has this in spades, Britton has the explosiveness of a tub of lard. That's not to say he can't have a career - there will always be a need for players who can find the net as well as he can, just not at the level City are aspiring to. This is all pretty obvious stuff so I can only assume the reason you're getting your knickers in a twist is you're his dad or something. We took a punt on a local lad with some ability. It hasn't cost us much. No harm done. Next. This. The kid’s nowhere near good enough, especially when you compare him to Scott/Ayman/Conway/Bell. Edited January 23, 2022 by petehinton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said: It means the poster is semi-literate. Very generous of you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: That's not to say he can't have a career - there will always be a need for players who can find the net as well as he can, just not at the level City are aspiring to. He’s got a bit of the Brett Pitman about him. If he is leaving that’s a shame. He got himself fit, as per the challenge set by Nige and Rennie. But not everyone can make it here and you can’t always wait either. My stance on Louis is that I think he had something but he’s probably one who’ll develop later as he learns to use his frame / physique better. I suspect Louis might be impatient for his chance too. I guess we watch this space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He’s got a bit of the Brett Pitman about him. If he is leaving that’s a shame. He got himself fit, as per the challenge set by Nige and Rennie. But not everyone can make it here and you can’t always wait either. My stance on Louis is that I think he had something but he’s probably one who’ll develop later as he learns to use his frame / physique better. I suspect Louis might be impatient for his chance too. I guess we watch this space. His interview after the Brentford game was great though... Edited January 23, 2022 by DaveF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 If things go really well for him, maybe he’ll end up as a Rickie Lambert/Grant Holt type, hardly legendary athletes, but something about them and an eye for goal. As others have said, gone are the days of attempting to be some sort of Little Chelsea with armies of youngsters out on loan, using the approach that if we keep firing the gun, eventually a pheasant will fly past. We need to be more confident that players will make it, that reduces costs and means there’s a clearer pathway for those who are here, but increases the chances that we miss out on a diamond. Conway looks a fair way ahead of the other youngsters up front to me (assuming Semenyo not a youngster), with physical attributes inc pace/strength and an eye for goal. If NP is keeping Tommy close to the first team and not the others, that reassures me in terms of his judgement. If not persisting with LB turns out to be an error, que sera sera, the only way to guarantee not making errors, is to never release anyone - that increases our costs and restricts careers of those that inevitably don’t become first XI regulars. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, handsofclay said: But we can all do that on our day, it's doing it consistently that matters (although one can only do it twice a season v Brentford if in the same division as them). Speak for yourself! I'm pretty certain I'd not score against Brentford however long I was given to do it! Edited January 23, 2022 by LondonBristolian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, DaveF said: His interview after the Brentford game was great though... He got injured in that Brum semi-final unfortunately. Great interview, similar to Towler’s!! 31 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: If things go really well for him, maybe he’ll end up as a Rickie Lambert/Grant Holt type, hardly legendary athletes, but something about them and an eye for goal. As others have said, gone are the days of attempting to be some sort of Little Chelsea with armies of youngsters out on loan, using the approach that if we keep firing the gun, eventually a pheasant will fly past. We need to be more confident that players will make it, that reduces costs and means there’s a clearer pathway for those who are here, but increases the chances that we miss out on a diamond. Conway looks a fair way ahead of the other youngsters up front to me (assuming Semenyo not a youngster), with physical attributes inc pace/strength and an eye for goal. If NP is keeping Tommy close to the first team and not the others, that reassures me in terms of his judgement. If not persisting with LB turns out to be an error, que sera sera, the only way to guarantee not making errors, is to never release anyone - that increases our costs and restricts careers of those that inevitably don’t become first XI regulars. Yep, that the sum of it….good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. Makes Alex Scott's performances even more impressive if that's what he's producing on a habit of 40 Benson and Hedges and 4 cans of Stella a day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Hes being released dont drink dint smoke obviously pearson has a problem with him the other young uns no better. Don’t Drink Don’t Smoke? What does he do? Subtle Innuendos follow There must be something inside 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Good post, however dont agree with the cutting costs on youth development nor 'Little Chelsea' comment Youth stuff isn't FFP related and we're currently massively reaping the benefits of that. Im glad there's pathways to the first team but releasing seemingly willy-nilly will come back and bite us at some point. Jojo Wollacott for example, could blossom and is getting national press. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/08/from-gloucester-to-ghana-how-jojo-wollacotts-dream-became-a-reality I think it is a two way thing though. Wollacott has blossomed because he left. Had he stayed, I’m not sure he would or should have dislodged Bentley or O’Leary and arguably we’d have been holding him back. Ditto I gather Nurse is doing well in League One but that could be seen as an argument that we have done the right thing in letting a player who was not at Championship level build a career elsewhere rather than stagnate at a key time. Likewise with Britton. He’s behind Semenyo, Janneh, Conway and Bell and it may be there are other younger prospects that the coaches think are only a couple of years away too. I’d be sad to see Britton go but the fact Derry City are after him rather than a Championship or League One club suggests he has some work to do before he gets to Championship level, if indeed he ever does so. I think we hoarded players a bit in the past and I think Morrell is an example of someone we held onto without playing him to a point where it was detrimental to his career. James Morton seems to have stagnated too. Not every player will make it here. If Britton, Wollacott or Nurse get moved on, get a chance they would not have got here, take that chance and build out a career in the game, I don’t see that as a failure of our youth policy but more an example of what an ethical youth policy should look like. 10 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Good post, however dont agree with the cutting costs on youth development nor 'Little Chelsea' comment Youth stuff isn't FFP related and we're currently massively reaping the benefits of that. Im glad there's pathways to the first team but releasing seemingly willy-nilly will come back and bite us at some point. Jojo Wollacott for example, could blossom and is getting national press. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/08/from-gloucester-to-ghana-how-jojo-wollacotts-dream-became-a-reality Nobody is suggesting cutting costs on youth development. In fact we should spend more on the development of OUR youth. It’s the steady stream of punts that we have taken as a club, Bakinson, Hines, Engvall and zillions of others that is finished. FFP determines that has to be the case. However, even if you develop your own you have to make a decision on all of them at some point. You can’t keep them for ever. Wollacott, your example, was 24/25 and had been here 15 years and was nowhere near a first team spot so for HIS benefit we had to let him make a career elsewhere. He might end up being top notch but having watched him last week he certainly looked like a League 2 keeper thrust into AFCON. Championship football is way above the level that 99% of 18 year old Academy lads can play at. You do have to be careful otherwise you can finish lads before they’ve even started. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) Oh goody another long thread, which I haven't read any of, on another academy talent who looks like they are leaving. Needless to say there are loads of Premier League and Championship clubs desperate to sign them up, none of whom will. How many academy players, whom City dropped, are currently plying their trade in The Premier League, The Championship, League 1, League 2, National League? How many will move up a league with their next move? It's the same story every time. Edited January 23, 2022 by Hxj 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said: Good post, however dont agree with the cutting costs on youth development nor 'Little Chelsea' comment Youth stuff isn't FFP related and we're currently massively reaping the benefits of that. Im glad there's pathways to the first team but releasing seemingly willy-nilly will come back and bite us at some point. Jojo Wollacott for example, could blossom and is getting national press. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/08/from-gloucester-to-ghana-how-jojo-wollacotts-dream-became-a-reality Agree we absolutely should be investing in youth and the academy, but think it could be improved by being a bit leaner from 17 or so onwards. And it’s still costs, accepting that if we miss diamonds then that’s a net loss, but think there’s room to be a bit more focused than we have been. We’re at a decent level so the step from academy to U23 is big and think a few more of those lads following a different route probably better for them as well as City, too many discarded across football in recent years. With science, including understanding of players’ potential improved, we should be able reduce false positives. Jojo Wollacott is fair challenge, but - recognising I’m probably rationalising to suit my argument - he was one that probably looked decent for a few years at City, so justified the investment, just couldn’t quite get past decent incumbents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 What this shows, imo, is that we have better quality at the football top now who are not afraid of making decisions they believe are right. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Nige really listens to Tinnion and only then sees for himself and comes to a final judgment. We simply haven’t had a manager like this for a long time, arguably forever. In NP do most of us trust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: Don’t Drink Don’t Smoke? What does he do? Subtle Innuendos follow There must be something inside hark at goody two shoes here. were you adamant he was going to make it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: hark at goody two shoes here. were you adamant he was going to make it? Spoilsport, I was having my tea…you’re too quick. Marco, Merrick, Terry Lee, Gary Tibbs and yours truly! Never knew Sir Geoff was a King of the wild frontier! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 How many players in the past have we released from our youth setup that have gone on to have careers that matches or betters our position at the time? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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