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14 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Appeared that he bottled the challenge for a ball that, to me, seemed comfortably to be his ball. I assume that is why Fleming pulled him off or was it yet another injury?

 In his interview, Fleming said O'Dowda picked up a twinge, whatever that means. I'm sure he didn't try to persuade him to stay on though!

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On 22/02/2020 at 17:11, WolfOfWestStreet said:

CoD is an absolute waste of time. Useless

 

On 29/09/2021 at 21:42, WolfOfWestStreet said:

O'Dowda is an absolute imposter. If he never pulled on that red shirt again I'd be absolutely delighted. 

 

On 18/06/2021 at 01:19, WolfOfWestStreet said:

A grim reminder Callum O dowda still plays for the club.

Not a fan. 

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A couple of years ago it was a big ? why COD played before Eliasson me thinking. It was kind of funny. COD was better in defence was the opinion then. COD got some Good games this season and was hoping at last he would make it, but No. Palme, Eliasson and others: one bad game then out. COD not good day out and in and still starts. How our second manager was Thinking when he put COD on the field i really dont know. 

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9 hours ago, BLRed said:

Says it all when he came on, the game changed, they got their goal, he’s taken off again and we actually don’t concede late on. No coincidence. I’m with the out club so my View is somewhat tainted but he honestly offers us nothing.

when dasilva has the ball on the right late on and we needed support runners into the channel towards the corner, o’dowda just stood there and offered nothing. Instead it came backwards and we conceded possession not long after.

sooner he goes the better imo. Why Pearson kept picking him is beyond me...

I do agree but would add that I don’t think he offers nothing; he actually offers something for the opposition!

He’s now gone from being weak and ineffectual to being incompetent and actually impacting our performance negatively and giving chances to the opposing team; best observed by that fiasco in the second half where he tried to shepherd the ball out for a goal kick, only to lose possession and give them a great assist opportunity. 

Again, if he was making his debut or was an academy player fresh to the team one might give him the benefit of the doubt; but he isn’t. He should be in his prime as a senior pro and yet again as we are well into his SIXTH year at our club he demonstrates his failings. 

The fact that his substitution was then met with cheers pretty much seals his fate. 

He absolutely has to go. 

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Oh Louie louie

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I would have let him go when he flirted with notts forest openly a few years ago.

If thats not taking the p i dont know what isnt.

On the plus side, our link up play in homes games is getting more intelligent by the week.

Going forward now, we look a diffrent team at times.

The move for the 2nd was a joy to watch.

 

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8 hours ago, richyy66 said:

Struggling to see why Pring was brought off. Thought he was having a decent game tbh. Quite what Flemming thought Ofowda could bring to the party was baffling.

Wasn’t his best games imo. Thought if anybody was to go off, it was Pring or Martin.

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23 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

I would have let him go when he flirted with notts forest openly a few years ago.

If thats not taking the p i dont know what isnt.

On the plus side, our link up play in homes games is getting more intelligent by the week.

Going forward now, we look a diffrent team at times.

The move for the 2nd was a joy to watch.

 

So good going forward and so poor at the back.

Quite the conundrum.

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8 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Exactly this. I don't think for one minute the bloke is taking to the pitch and deliberately being bad.

COD is a person with a family and friends and so ******* what if he appears to be not good enough to play for the club?

Personal insults about being a "pussy" etc were being correctly slated when it was applied to Max last week. I see no reason why the same shouldn't apply to COD.

 

I'll respond seeing as I was the one who used that phrase. I did so for comedic effect as I had a few pints on board, perhaps not the most sensitive of descriptions but my reasons for saying it are just. 

If I rephrased it as: a lack of willingness to used aggression to gain a competitive edge, then I think it is legitimate criticism of a well paid, longstanding employee who is underperforming. 

It is frustrating beyond belief. 

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9 hours ago, underover said:

Could’ve just been in the moment but I’m sure there was someone well before (well not ages 30 seconds ish) the 1st goal where odowda didn’t close someone down and just stood there which allowed them to start what the penalty came from, can’t really say it’s 100% his fault but I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why he was just standing there when he wasn’t marking anyone, mind you my opinions about football are normally terrible and I have an awful memory so…

That was the bit I remember…a team mate was gesturing for him to move forward.

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12 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Happened more than once from our goldenboy

That’s very true. As brilliant as he was in many aspects of his play, when it comes to the 50/50 balls he doesn’t appear to go in with the intent needed from a CM. That’s not his game and hopefully when others are fit he can return to where he’s at his best. Still played bloody brilliantly mind! 

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3 hours ago, supercidered said:

No surprise when you get 29 confused emojis after posting this. God I love OTIB :clapping:

i just don't get some of the "Confused" posts   (Yep, that's right i get confused?).............they should either delete it or change it to .........."I'm too dumb to understand your point of view"?

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3 hours ago, Hartleysbeard said:

Surely those were the cheers when his name was announced as being subbed off?!

I think the thing that got me about the whole COD scenario was his "Injury".

As others have stated, he struggled to get into the game when he came on, culminating of course in the calamitous Magnussonesque moment in the corner. He was running normally at this stage. He then started to get some abuse from the crowd, about his mistake; and general play. From my viewpoint in the Dolman, COD then started to limp, and then needed "treatment".

Whilst getting this "treatment". We already had the sub board up, and he was coming off; it appeared to be regardless of whether he could carry on or not. Very unlike the HNM scenario in the first half. COD then saw he was coming off, got to his feet, and walked quite normally (no limp at this stage) over to the player's area.

From my viewpoint it appeared at that time, we took the opportunity to take him out of the firing line. Whether or not he had an "injury" that necessitated his immediate substitution. In doing so of course, we put Cundy on, shifted Vyner out to the WRB; and then JD to LWB. All because COD wasn't doing the job he should have done as a like for like replacement for Pring.

I was surprised in the after match interview with Fleming that he said COD had a knee injury. Maybe it was something that he was carrying before the game, but it didn't seem to impede him beforehand. If it was a knock, then it's fair to say neither COD or the club wanted to give him the opportunity to stay on the pitch.

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but there was a player there; who for me did not want to be out on that pitch, and up to the task that we needed him to do in the circumstances. 

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

This was the incident that I thought was just before their goal.  It wasn’t, it was after, but look how he slows down.

 

It’s like Sunday League skill levels Fevs.

Honestly, you would really have to question the judgement of our management team if he’s given a new contract. 

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4 minutes ago, One Team said:

It’s like Sunday League skill levels Fevs.

Honestly, you would really have to question the judgement of our management team if he’s given a new contract. 

The thing is though that's not anything to do with skill, it's attitude/endeavor/bravery/mettle/whatever you want to call it.

He started pulling up when he realises it's going to be a physical challenge and half dangles his foot. Even once the ball moves on he jogs over and the bloke just runs around him while he's completely non committal to any action. It's just totally passive play.

We do have players who would have taken the ball, and taken that guy as well if he was brave enough to try the same... O'Dowda isn't, and never will be one of them. Won't get away with that for long here any more with Pearson around imo - I think he's playing out of perceived necessity rather than desire at the moment and even that is clearly wearing thin.

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It’s like Sunday League skill levels Fevs.

Honestly, you would really have to question the judgement of our management team if he’s given a new contract. 

I think some of what gets me in my clip and other examples in the past is where he runs afterwards.  He looks lost at times.  I know I’m sounding harsh but he plays so naively, like a little boy lost.  He’s 27 in April.  Some of that may be confidence gone, I don’t know.  His ball receipt positions (just looked at his last 20 games) and passes are virtually all on the touchline.  That could be tactical, but look at Pring bursting infield, his receiving position might be wide, but his passing position has variation.

FWIW and a tiny bit of defence of him, because like FBC “I tell it how it is”….I did see him moving a bit gingerly before the clip I showed.  But then he appeared to be fine after that.

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2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

The thing is though that's not anything to do with skill, it's attitude/endeavor/bravery/mettle/whatever you want to call it.

He started pulling up when he realises it's going to be a physical challenge and half dangles his foot. Even once the ball moves on he jogs over and the bloke just runs around him while he's completely non committal to any action. It's just totally passive play.

We do have players who would have taken the ball, and taken that guy as well if he was brave enough to try the same... O'Dowda isn't, and never will be one of them. Won't get away with that for long here any more with Pearson around imo - I think he's playing out of perceived necessity rather than desire at the moment and even that is clearly wearing thin.

Completely agree @IAmNick

The worst thing for me, is he points behind to the other players to make up for his initial error. That forces Williams?, and Klose to come across to cover him. Leaving the Reading player free in the middle.

It's one thing being non committal. It's another thing then expecting the other players around you to cover for you, thus impacting on their own positioning; and effectiveness.

sigh....

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19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This was the incident that I thought was just before their goal.  It wasn’t, it was after, but look how he slows down.

 

I didn’t quite realise at the time just how bad the dive is from the Reading player trying to win a penalty after the failed attempt to see it out for a goal kick. 
Mind you with the ref giving out fouls every time they hit the deck I don’t blame him for trying. 

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14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think some of what gets me in my clip and other examples in the past is where he runs afterwards.  He looks lost at times.  I know I’m sounding harsh but he plays so naively, like a little boy lost.  He’s 27 in April.  Some of that may be confidence gone, I don’t know.  His ball receipt positions (just looked at his last 20 games) and passes are virtually all on the touchline.  That could be tactical, but look at Pring bursting infield, his receiving position might be wide, but his passing position has variation.

FWIW and a tiny bit of defence of him, because like FBC “I tell it how it is”….I did see him moving a bit gingerly before the clip I showed.  But then he appeared to be fine after that.

Some of this reminds me of Semenyeo when he first came back, after being recalled from Newport. He looked completely lost, and unable to read the game.

That of course carried on for the next 1.5 years, until gradually the turning point came thankfully.

In COD's case he's 27 years old, a full ROI international.

I think I've seen somewhere that he is only 4 caps off being City's leading ever International in terms of caps gained whilst with the club (in terms of caps he has 23) replacing Wedlock (26).

We're not talking about a novice, learning his trade. This is a seasoned professional, who seems to have have got by for a significant time on reputation alone. As to quote the great Ian Gay "Statistics, prove everything", not sure I agree with that point. But his goals, and assists stats for the last 6 years show his true impact, and standing in my eyes.

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42 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

The thing is though that's not anything to do with skill, it's attitude/endeavor/bravery/mettle/whatever you want to call it.

He started pulling up when he realises it's going to be a physical challenge and half dangles his foot. Even once the ball moves on he jogs over and the bloke just runs around him while he's completely non committal to any action. It's just totally passive play.

We do have players who would have taken the ball, and taken that guy as well if he was brave enough to try the same... O'Dowda isn't, and never will be one of them. Won't get away with that for long here any more with Pearson around imo - I think he's playing out of perceived necessity rather than desire at the moment and even that is clearly wearing thin.

Good points well made mate. ?

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40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think some of what gets me in my clip and other examples in the past is where he runs afterwards.  He looks lost at times.  I know I’m sounding harsh but he plays so naively, like a little boy lost.  He’s 27 in April.  Some of that may be confidence gone, I don’t know.  His ball receipt positions (just looked at his last 20 games) and passes are virtually all on the touchline.  That could be tactical, but look at Pring bursting infield, his receiving position might be wide, but his passing position has variation.

FWIW and a tiny bit of defence of him, because like FBC “I tell it how it is”….I did see him moving a bit gingerly before the clip I showed.  But then he appeared to be fine after that.

Spot on Fevs. As I’ve said higher up the thread this isn’t some academy graduate getting their first taste of first team football. There are no excuses.

Whilst he may well be a good athlete he has shown season after season he’s not a competent footballer at this level. Whether he’d be better at league one or two is hard to say as that’s even more physical, which we know he is not. 

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6 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I would be pretty horrified if O'Dowda stays with the Yiadom as the ball goes into the wide channel to Ince.

Williams rightly goes with Yiadom (communicated by O'Dowda) and it means Klose is still central.

 

7 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I would be pretty horrified if O'Dowda stays with the Yiadom as the ball goes into the wide channel to Ince.

Williams rightly goes with Yiadom (communicated by O'Dowda) and it means Klose is still central.

I get what you're saying Jon, but it all comes about because of the lack of COD to make that first physical challenge. You can see that he is reading it, makes the move; then hesitates; before pulling out of the challenge. If you're making that decision to break the backline to contest the ball in the first place, you have to be fully committed. I just didn't see that commitment in the passage of play that @Davefevs showed.

In common with a number of COD's performances of late. We have a player who seems to be lacking courage or confidence to make the right decision. He is capable, he wouldn't have got 23 ROI caps if he wasn't. But his application on a match day isn't at the level it should be.

 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

This was the incident that I thought was just before their goal.  It wasn’t, it was after, but look how he slows down.

 

Yeah, that second one left me apoplectic. Thats when I thought "he has no ****** clue". I apologise unreservedly to the rest of E31 for my subsequent verbal tirade.

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It's so easy to jump  on the "O'Dowda is rubbish" bandwagon isn't it?     Damn right!, and there is a good reason for that? ......O'Dowda is a liability, and a waste of a shirt, he is earning a very good amount of money, and then rarely is   bothering to turn up for work?     I have run out of patience with a player who's  balls have shrivelled to the size of raisins, I assume he only gets on the pitch because there is no other option?  Surely NP and CF can see that he is not up to it, and needs to be got rid of, come summer?   I will be astounded if he is given a new contract, in fact it would be a very poor reflection on our management team, and the other players if it was even considered?.

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One of his selling points I thought, for a time was that he was not bad out of possession- double up, that sort of thing. Think he showed some promising signs for a few games in November but he's regressed- and even worse as we saw in the last two games, he's regressed in that regard too.

Think definitely that his time is up.

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57 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think O'Dowda and Yiadom both had to slow down to then raise their feet to try and touch the ball beyond each other. Yiadom seemed to get there first I think and had been closer to it as the pass was made. But he missed the ball.

I thought O'Dowda was quite poor when he came on. Mostly because of that one bad mistake in the corner. But I think he's done well at wing back other than Fulham game and last night.

When watching the Blackpool game again I thought he was better than Dasilva in that first half before being subbed.

I don't like Pring at wing back if he keeps tiring as much as he does in that position. I thought he did some good things and some bad last night. But my main concern is his stamina for that role. Bringing him off every game on 60 something minutes means we lose the option of a sub. And it isn't like he's suddenly knackered on 60+ minutes, he is getting more and more tired, and is not capable of constantly run up and down the line.

He will be left back in a 4 in the future and that should mean he completes games. Wing back far more demanding.

When thinking about last night I am far more concerned about how uninterested Weimann is in defending. In that clip he sees his man running free and doesnt bother to go with him.

But on the goal. Wow that is bad.

Weimann lets Ince dribble past him, making no effort to stop him. Once Ince is past him, Weimann then quite incredibly points to Scott to go to Ince!

Someone on here said last night that O'Dowda was to blame for the penalty because Weimann is pointing at him!? Blimey ?

It doesnt even look like a particularly dangerous situation for City. We have players well positioned to deal with them.

I would expect something special for Ince to find his way into the box from there.

It's not just last night, he has been doing it a lot all season. I don't know what the reason is for it. I don't know if it's something that I never noticed before or something he has been doing just this season. But Pearson and Fleming really need to sort it out.

I think Pring had ‘gone’ both physically and mentally about 5 minutes before he was subbed. There was nearly another calamitous goal for the opposition due to his lapse in concentration  (ala Luton). A bit worrying as that’s something our fitness and management team should have addressed by now. 

That said, I thought he played well until his ‘burn out’ and was key in both our goals.

As Nige would say ‘work in progress’ but definitely worth a starting berth and is now country miles ahead of CoD.

 

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4 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I think the thing that got me about the whole COD scenario was his "Injury".

As others have stated, he struggled to get into the game when he came on, culminating of course in the calamitous Magnussonesque moment in the corner. He was running normally at this stage. He then started to get some abuse from the crowd, about his mistake; and general play. From my viewpoint in the Dolman, COD then started to limp, and then needed "treatment".

Whilst getting this "treatment". We already had the sub board up, and he was coming off; it appeared to be regardless of whether he could carry on or not. Very unlike the HNM scenario in the first half. COD then saw he was coming off, got to his feet, and walked quite normally (no limp at this stage) over to the player's area.

From my viewpoint it appeared at that time, we took the opportunity to take him out of the firing line. Whether or not he had an "injury" that necessitated his immediate substitution. In doing so of course, we put Cundy on, shifted Vyner out to the WRB; and then JD to LWB. All because COD wasn't doing the job he should have done as a like for like replacement for Pring.

I was surprised in the after match interview with Fleming that he said COD had a knee injury. Maybe it was something that he was carrying before the game, but it didn't seem to impede him beforehand. If it was a knock, then it's fair to say neither COD or the club wanted to give him the opportunity to stay on the pitch.

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but there was a player there; who for me did not want to be out on that pitch, and up to the task that we needed him to do in the circumstances. 

Cod went down with an injury in the middle of the pitch about 5 minutes before we went off, 

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Looking at some of the names on this thread lambasting O’Dowda, some names whose opinions I respect massively, I would suggest that his time here is done.

I wonder if Nige and his team pop over to the forum occasionally? Not that I think that Nige needs our input to separate the chaff. 

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15 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Looking at some of the names on this thread lambasting O’Dowda, some names whose opinions I respect massively, I would suggest that his time here is done.

I wonder if Nige and his team pop over to the forum occasionally? Not that I think that Nige needs our input to separate the chaff. 

I hope not, the time anyone managing us needs to find anything out about football and comes on here to find it out we are seriously ####ed

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1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

For me Pring has to be left back in a back 4 as I don't really want players we know we have to sub around an hour.

Wing back role requires a fitter player than Pring imo. Dasilva can last 90 there as can O'Dowda. 

Maybe Pearson goes with his preferred back 4 in the final parts of the season and then Pring fits in perfectly on the left with Tanner hopefully back on the right.

Totally agree...it's a specialist position that needs a level of fitness and concentration more than other positions.

You can't expect a LB to play LWB.

Wing backs definitely have more offensive attributes than defensive.

Pring imo is a LB...not a LWB.

Bryan, Ayling and DaSilva on the other hand are...

I'd prefer we went 4 at the back.

 

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7 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

For me Pring has to be left back in a back 4 as I don't really want players we know we have to sub around an hour.

Wing back role requires a fitter player than Pring imo. Dasilva can last 90 there as can O'Dowda. 

Maybe Pearson goes with his preferred back 4 in the final parts of the season and then Pring fits in perfectly on the left with Tanner hopefully back on the right.

DaSilva left wing back with Pring coming on as an impact sub for final 30 minutes would work imo and give us extra energy when we flag as a team towards the end.

Agree would prefer to see him at LB in a 4.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

I think O'Dowda and Yiadom both had to slow down to then raise their feet to try and touch the ball beyond each other. Yiadom seemed to get there first I think and had been closer to it as the pass was made. But he missed the ball.

I thought O'Dowda was quite poor when he came on. Mostly because of that one bad mistake in the corner. But I think he's done well at wing back other than Fulham game and last night.

When watching the Blackpool game again I thought he was better than Dasilva in that first half before being subbed.

I don't like Pring at wing back if he keeps tiring as much as he does in that position. I thought he did some good things and some bad last night. But my main concern is his stamina for that role. Bringing him off every game on 60 something minutes means we lose the option of a sub. And it isn't like he's suddenly knackered on 60+ minutes, he is getting more and more tired, and is not capable of constantly run up and down the line.

He will be left back in a 4 in the future and that should mean he completes games. Wing back far more demanding.

When thinking about last night I am far more concerned about how uninterested Weimann is in defending. In that clip he sees his man running free and doesnt bother to go with him.

But on the goal. Wow that is bad.

Weimann lets Ince dribble past him, making no effort to stop him. Once Ince is past him, Weimann then quite incredibly points to Scott to go to Ince!

Someone on here said last night that O'Dowda was to blame for the penalty because Weimann is pointing at him!? Blimey ?

It doesnt even look like a particularly dangerous situation for City. We have players well positioned to deal with them.

I would expect something special for Ince to find his way into the box from there.

It's not just last night, he has been doing it a lot all season. I don't know what the reason is for it. I don't know if it's something that I never noticed before or something he has been doing just this season. But Pearson and Fleming really need to sort it out.

You're spot on around the goal. Scott was slow to react, after Weimann had let him through. All round though it was a poor goal(that said of course it was never a penalty)

I also agree about Pring as a wing back. From a technical point of view his first touch isn't great, and it's a position that requires a huge level of fitness; something that Pring has previously struggled with.

Neither Pring or JD go wide when presented with the opportunity. They both prefer to dribble into the centre, often finding themselves in a congested space. Pring did do well with the second goal though, as well as putting a peach of a cross onto Weimann's head in the first half. Unfortunately Weimann is not the best at heading at the best of times.

I think in JD's case this is due to his reluctance to use his right foot. He is really is a square peg in a round hole playing on the right.

I've heard a rumour that allegely Pring suffers from asthma. Which would make sense around his propensity to crash around the 60-70 mins part.

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Odowda - never has been, never will be a winner. Just hasn’t got that mentality. You are 2-0 up against a terrible team, and when you come on you put in that performance. That was the play of a guy who wanted to hide, get out of there unscathed, survive. Not take it to them, stamp his authority and make it 3/4 nil. Simply put he plays like a loser (sporting wise) and we have to weed that out down here ASAP. 
 

when he pulls out of the cross field pass, that sums him up at city. Pring in the same situation takes the man and the ball and leaves yiadom in a heap, and allows semenyo and Weimann to counter. benarous from what I’ve seen is game, and would be in there fighting. The youngsters are showing how yellow he is, no more appearances unless it’s injury enforced for me. Had his chances and simply not taken them. 
 

 

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Yeah great and gets sent off by a ref giving a foul for the slightest of touches all night 

Defending a player pulling out of a tackle because the ref was poor? So do you think odowda thought “ooh hold on dont commit to this cos the ref is fussy?”. I’m not condoning reckless, but football is a contact sport and that ball was there to be won, he simply has to do more. And it’s not isolated to just that incident, or even this game. 

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O’Dowda’s confidence is shot to pieces. He needs to go back to basics in training and play a few u/23 games away from the spotlight. A chat with NP to talk about where his career is going and what his best position is. But at the end of the day it’s his personal responsibility to himself and his team mates to sort his game out quickly . 

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41 minutes ago, ciderwithtommy said:

Defending a player pulling out of a tackle because the ref was poor? So do you think odowda thought “ooh hold on dont commit to this cos the ref is fussy?”. I’m not condoning reckless, but football is a contact sport and that ball was there to be won, he simply has to do more. And it’s not isolated to just that incident, or even this game. 

You said, 

Pring in the same situation takes the man and the ball and leaves yiadom in a heap, 

Cod seen a cross field ball played that he spinted out to try and make an interception, but the Reading player got to 1st. Had he kept going and left the player in a heap as you suggest, would have been penalised by any ref let alone the idiot last night.

As I am not jumping on the let's crusify Cod for anything we can bandwagon, so I seen it as a good effort to try and nick the cross field ball to start a break, but got beaten to the ball.

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3 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

You said, 

Pring in the same situation takes the man and the ball and leaves yiadom in a heap, 

Cod seen a cross field ball played that he spinted out to try and make an interception, but the Reading player got to 1st. Had he kept going and left the player in a heap as you suggest, would have been penalised by any ref let alone the idiot last night.

As I am not jumping on the let's crusify Cod for anything we can bandwagon, so I seen it as a good effort to try and nick the cross field ball to start a break, but got beaten to the ball.

I think the Reading player got there first because he pulled out of the challenge. Some of our other players managed aggressive tackles last night just fine.

Maybe he gets a yellow if he mistimes it - ok? That's football. He's only just come on the pitch, he wasn't in danger of being red carded.

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10 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

You said, 

Pring in the same situation takes the man and the ball and leaves yiadom in a heap, 

Cod seen a cross field ball played that he spinted out to try and make an interception, but the Reading player got to 1st. Had he kept going and left the player in a heap as you suggest, would have been penalised by any ref let alone the idiot last night.

As I am not jumping on the let's crusify Cod for anything we can bandwagon, so I seen it as a good effort to try and nick the cross field ball to start a break, but got beaten to the ball.

Man and ball equals a red card? Don’t agree with you there at all. Not condoning a two footer etc but  you have to be aggressive.

also, neither of them touch the ball, it’s embarrassing. The point is so obvious, he’s shot. It’s not that I don’t have sympathy for him, he is struggling, but I’ve watched too much of it, I’m done with excuses, time to move on.

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4 hours ago, JonDolman said:

I think O'Dowda and Yiadom both had to slow down to then raise their feet to try and touch the ball beyond each other. Yiadom seemed to get there first I think and had been closer to it as the pass was made. But he missed the ball.

I thought O'Dowda was quite poor when he came on. Mostly because of that one bad mistake in the corner. But I think he's done well at wing back other than Fulham game and last night.

When watching the Blackpool game again I thought he was better than Dasilva in that first half before being subbed.

I don't like Pring at wing back if he keeps tiring as much as he does in that position. I thought he did some good things and some bad last night. But my main concern is his stamina for that role. Bringing him off every game on 60 something minutes means we lose the option of a sub. And it isn't like he's suddenly knackered on 60+ minutes, he is getting more and more tired, and is not capable of constantly run up and down the line.

He will be left back in a 4 in the future and that should mean he completes games. Wing back far more demanding.

When thinking about last night I am far more concerned about how uninterested Weimann is in defending. In that clip he sees his man running free and doesnt bother to go with him.

But on the goal. Wow that is bad.

Weimann lets Ince dribble past him, making no effort to stop him. Once Ince is past him, Weimann then quite incredibly points to Scott to go to Ince!

Someone on here said last night that O'Dowda was to blame for the penalty because Weimann is pointing at him!? Blimey ?

It doesnt even look like a particularly dangerous situation for City. We have players well positioned to deal with them.

I would expect something special for Ince to find his way into the box from there.

It's not just last night, he has been doing it a lot all season. I don't know what the reason is for it. I don't know if it's something that I never noticed before or something he has been doing just this season. But Pearson and Fleming really need to sort it out.

I bet O’Dowda would have loved to only last an hour and get two assists. I know who I’d rather.

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3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

One of his selling points I thought, for a time was that he was not bad out of possession- double up, that sort of thing. Think he showed some promising signs for a few games in November but he's regressed- and even worse as we saw in the last two games, he's regressed in that regard too.

Think definitely that his time is up.

The cynic in me wonders whether the carrot of a new deal was on the table then, no agreement reached, and his form (reasonable level of performance, nothing brilliant) has tailed off.  I hope that’s not the case and it’s truly form / confidence.

2 hours ago, spudski said:

Totally agree...it's a specialist position that needs a level of fitness and concentration more than other positions.

You can't expect a LB to play LWB.

Wing backs definitely have more offensive attributes than defensive.

Pring imo is a LB...not a LWB.

Bryan, Ayling and DaSilva on the other hand are...

I'd prefer we went 4 at the back.

 

You have to learn the position too though Spud.  He’s played it in Lg2 and in fairness he looked a real “bomber” in that position.  But the Championship is a whole different ball-game.

Last night was just the second time he’d started at LWB for us.

The early games this season were LW/LM and he took a while to play a full 90.  That’s not a huge shock for a player who’d only played 9 Lg1 games before this season.

Of course fitness (stamina) might need improving, but so might his understanding of the position, when to stand still, when to burst forward or back.

I’d also prefer a back 4, but in the meantime I’m happy to see Pring develop his ability to cope with the demands of LWB.  He’s shown a wonderful versatility in his first 6 months at this level.

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The O'Dowda and Vyner comparison is spot on. 

Both look the part physically, have great attitudes, show moments of high quality.

But they both seem to lack a competitive edge and they are both guilty of frequent lapses of concentration/decision making.

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33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The cynic in me wonders whether the carrot of a new deal was on the table then, no agreement reached, and his form (reasonable level of performance, nothing brilliant) has tailed off.  I hope that’s not the case and it’s truly form / confidence.

You have to learn the position too though Spud.  He’s played it in Lg2 and in fairness he looked a real “bomber” in that position.  But the Championship is a whole different ball-game.

Last night was just the second time he’d started at LWB for us.

The early games this season were LW/LM and he took a while to play a full 90.  That’s not a huge shock for a player who’d only played 9 Lg1 games before this season.

Of course fitness (stamina) might need improving, but so might his understanding of the position, when to stand still, when to burst forward or back.

I’d also prefer a back 4, but in the meantime I’m happy to see Pring develop his ability to cope with the demands of LWB.  He’s shown a wonderful versatility in his first 6 months at this level.

Yes...I know and understand that. However...is this a long term position for Pring, or one that is just fitting in due to injuries/ player type?

I don't see Pring as a LWB. To improve, we don't need someone learning that position on the job so to speak.

It'll be interesting to see whether NP goes to a back 4 in the future under better circumstances.

You mention versatility. I've got a bit fed up with players in our squad being versatile and playing in different positions frequently. Would much rather have players being round pegs in round holes so to speak. 

Granted needs must sometimes...

I've never been a fan of wing backs at this level and above. 

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