Cooper and Forest

[Waconda]

With effectively the same bunch of players, Cooper managed to coax more out of the group and a superb run of form followed.

How 'magician' Steve Cooper transformed struggling Nottingham Forest to FA Cup heroes (msn.com)

[Super]

Just now, VT05763 said:

With effectively the same bunch of players, Cooper managed to coax more out of the group and a superb run of form followed.

How 'magician' Steve Cooper transformed struggling Nottingham Forest to FA Cup heroes (msn.com)

I'm guessing that you think Pearson should be doing the same?

[054123]

5 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

With effectively the same bunch of players, Cooper managed to coax more out of the group and a superb run of form followed.

How 'magician' Steve Cooper transformed struggling Nottingham Forest to FA Cup heroes (msn.com)

I’m quite enjoying this now.

The two situations are different, but your general points are understandable.

The truth is nothing is going to change this season. If by October this year the points return and inconsistencies are the same, so imagine Pearson will be gone.

Then somebody new can be appointed that people can argue over

[Northern Red]

Up The City!

[GrahamC]

He’s done really well.

Maybe he inherited a better squad? Maybe their owner (a very dubious individual) has been far more creative re FFP?

I don’t recall too many saying we should go for this bloke at any time prior to this though, so a hell of a lot of hindsight going on. Ian Gay has jumped on this bandwagon recently, apparently.

Interesting as well that many of us (me included) wanted Hughton in BS3 & Cooper’s transformation of them does highlight what a poor job he did there..

[Davefevs]

Forest had a good  squad strength already:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nottingham-forest/kader/verein/703

Forest have good resources available in the window(s):

 

A nice cushy relationship with Olympiacos to sell a “flop” like Carvalho (good player but not worked out).  I wonder what fee they got?  You can bet they didn’t lose a penny!

I do think Steve Cooper doing a good job, and that Hughton underperformed.

I would’ve liked to see Cooper still at Swansea and how he’d do without being heavily backed.

He’s got a plum job.  Forest should be top half team, they’re 8th, so good on him.

Looking forward to their accounts though.

 

If this is however “isn’t Cooper doing well, Nige should be doing better”, then I don’t think you are comparing apples with apples.

[IAmNick]

Given that all club's situations are obviously completely identical, I'm confused why new managers even bother buying players at all. They should all just be able to massively turn things around with the existing lot they're handed in all cases, or just get fired really.

[Waconda]

1 minute ago, IAmNick said:

Given that all club's situations are obviously completely identical, I'm confused why new managers even bother buying players at all. They should all just be able to massively turn things around with the existing lot they're handed in all cases, or just get fired really.

Cooper doing very well isn't he.

[IAmNick]

Just now, VT05763 said:

Cooper doing very well isn't he.

Yeah, an excellent job. I don't think you posted it to congratulate him though!

[East End Old Boy]

52 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Ian Gay has jumped on this bandwagon recently

I come on here to get away from him!

[TheReds]

Another day, another strange sly old dig, by the same poster.

Imagine my shock.

 

[Waconda]

3 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Yeah, an excellent job. I don't think you posted it to congratulate him though!

Its an interesting article and does much to rebuff the mindset that it is not possible for new managers to get more out of a failing group of players.

 

[IAmNick]

Just now, VT05763 said:

Its an interesting article and does much to rebuff the mindset that it is not possible for new managers to get more out of a failing group of players.

I thought it was crap, it basically just states the facts with zero narrative or analysis beyond a formation change.

I don't think anyone has EVER said it's not possible for a new manager to get more out of a failing group of players have they? That'd be totally mad.

[Lew-T]

Didn’t Forest have a lot of injuries before? Perhaps those players have just come back fit and firing… And the new manager bounce etc

Good timing.

[Waconda]

Just now, IAmNick said:

I thought it was crap, it basically just states the facts with zero narrative or analysis beyond a formation change.

I don't think anyone has EVER said it's not possible for a new manager to get more out of a failing group of players have they? That'd be totally mad.

Have you read this forum ?

[Waconda]

6 minutes ago, TheReds said:

Another day, another strange sly old dig, by the same poster.

Imagine my shock.

 

Yes my apologies I should have put a "sycophant trigger" warning in the title.

Would have saved you the upset.

[IAmNick]

7 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Have you read this forum ?

I think you told me a few months ago our squad should be around 7th - 9th. Do you still agree with that?

[Waconda]

Just now, IAmNick said:

I think you told me a few months ago our squad should be around 7th - 9th. Do you still agree with that?

Yes, we have a top 10 squad for sure, injuries have been too regular (once again) and allowances have to be made for that.

Not been a disaster but we should be doing better with the resources available. Just my opinion.

[TheReds]

8 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes my apologies I should have put a "sycophant trigger" warning in the title.

Would have saved you the upset.

Bizarre, I just posted what I seem to see on a regular basis from yourself, sad, sly digs, without having the balls to actually say what you actually think (unless I have missed those posts).

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with what a decent job Cooper is doing, and having an actual discussion about how and why (change of formation, players etc). The thread has been started just to have an underhand dig at Pearson and the club you apparently support. It is a very strange way (and a bit sad imo) to live your life, just looking at any old opportunity to have a dig - no matter how ridiculous the reason is.

[IAmNick]

6 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, we have a top 10 squad for sure, injuries have been too regular (once again) and allowances have to be made for that.

Not been a disaster but we should be doing better with the resources available. Just my opinion.

I find that quite surprising.

We've only finished in the top 10 once since being back in the division. Do you think our squad is the strongest it's been since we arrived then, or has everyone been pretty much failing so far?

Edited February 8, 2022 by IAmNick

[Waconda]

Just now, IAmNick said:

I find that quite surprising.

We've only finished in the top 10 once since being back in the division. Do you think our squad is about the strongest it's been since we arrived then, or has everyone been pretty much failing so far?

We have had a squad to finish in the top 10 for the last 4 seasons. The reason we haven't isn't down to the individual abilities of the players we have/had.

Injuries suffered have been horrendous and much of the coaching not good enough.

Combination of things.

[Supersonic Robin]

I was listening to the NTT20 pod yesterday and they spoke very positively about Forest. They mentioned that it goes beyond Cooper though - the club is going in right direction and being directed well from the top by good "footballing people". 

Last summer Forest appointed George Syrianos as Head of Recruitment. He was very highly rated for his analytics work at Stuttgart.

They also brought in Dane Murphy as CEO - the guy that did well at Barnsley (and had a background as a head scout and technical director)

[tin]

14 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I was listening to the NTT20 pod yesterday and they spoke very positively about Forest. They mentioned that it goes beyond Cooper though - the club is going in right direction and being directed well from the top by good "footballing people". 

Last summer Forest appointed George Syrianos as Head of Recruitment. He was very highly rated for his analytics work at Stuttgart.

They also brought in Dane Murphy as CEO - the guy that did well at Barnsley (and had a background as a head scout and technical director)

Exactly right. And, as most people know, our owner isn't a football person and seemingly won't employ a head of recruitment, sporting director, director of football or any other senior executive. It all currently falls on Pearson's shoulders. 

While they're streets ahead of us off the pitch, I'd imagine it's shit or bust for them this year financially. If they fail to go up this year, I'd expect their finances to be in a worst position than ours. 

Don't let those facts get in the way of the OP's anti-NP agenda, though. 

Edited February 8, 2022 by tin

[Monkeh]

40 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Its an interesting article and does much to rebuff the mindset that it is not possible for new managers to get more out of a failing group of players.

 

You miss the point, forest had ex prem and a good squad already in place, city have none of this and are reading on home grown talent due to financial mis management of previous managers and ceo,

Still another day another dig a Pearson

You are tiresome and boing with your relentles attact

[Monkeh]

18 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

We have had a squad to finish in the top 10 for the last 4 seasons. The reason we haven't isn't down to the individual abilities of the players we have/had.

Injuries suffered have been horrendous and much of the coaching not good enough.

Combination of things.

No we don't, the fact we haven't is proof of that,

Who out of our squad would walk into a top 10 squad in this league,

Scott, kalas wienman and hnm that's it

[phantom]

1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

No we don't, the fact we haven't is proof of that,

Who out of our squad would walk into a top 10 squad in this league,

Scott, kalas wienman and hnm that's it

Stop using facts to prove points, it is clear the problem is the man on the touchline according to some

[Monkeh]

Just now, phantom said:

Stop using facts to prove points, it is clear the problem is the man on the touchline according to some

To be fair I forgot semenyo, but he's in a purple patch right now, if he stays consistent then I will add him

[Merrick's Marvels]

Surprise, surprise. Moron makes moronic comparison. 

[Davefevs]

35 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, we have a top 10 squad for sure, injuries have been too regular (once again) and allowances have to be made for that.

Not been a disaster but we should be doing better with the resources available. Just my opinion.

You genuinely think we have a top 10 Squad?

If you said our best(ish) eleven on its day is capable of producing top 10 performances, I’d agree.  But if you then applied every other team’s best eleven, does that still hold?

But those two statements are vastly different.

[Waconda]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You genuinely think we have a top 10 Squad?

If you said our best(ish) eleven on its day is capable of producing top 10 performances, I’d agree.  But if you then applied every other team’s best eleven, does that still hold?

But those two statements are vastly different.

Luton, Preston, Coventry and Blackpool shouldn't be above us on squad strength.

We have a top 10 squad in my opinion, yours differs.

20 minutes ago, phantom said:

Stop using facts to prove points, it is clear the problem is the man on the touchline according to some

Who in Lutons squad would walk into a top 10 team ?

[Davefevs]

26 minutes ago, tin said:

Exactly right, and as most people know our owner isn't a football person and won't employ a head of recruitment, sporting director, director of football or any other senior executive. It all currently falls on Pearson's shoulders. 

While they're streets ahead of us off the pitch, I'd imagine it's shit or bust for them this year financially. If they fail to go up this year, I'd expect their finances to be in a worst position than ours. 

Don't let those facts get in the way of the OP's anti-NP agenda, though. 

I guess they sell Johnson in the summer if they don’t go up.

I’m really intrigued to see their finances for 20/21.  They extended their financial year from May 31 to June 30, so don’t have to submit until end of March.

Last accounts:

2018 was a £6M loss.  With Covid and FFP allowances, they are gonna be ok for this season’s cycle, but next season looks worse than us.

 

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Luton, Preston, Coventry and Blackpool shouldn't be above us on squad strength.

We have a top 10 squad in my opinion, yours differs.

I agree on Blackpool.  I disagree on the other three, much as it pains me to say.  They have constructed squads better than ours through excellent recruitment and development and a cohesive football plan.  I think you’re using club size as a proxy for your expectations of squad strength.  Those clubs are out of their forming and storming development stage.  Preston hit a blip post Alex Neil, but didn’t saddle themselves with “cost”.  Will be interesting to see how Lowe does.  Luton and Coventry are well down their road, and are reaping the benefits.  Cheaply acquired squad does mean weaker squad, just as much as expensively acquired squad means it’s good.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Davefevs

[TheReds]

13 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Who in Lutons squad would walk into a top 10 team ?

All of them, as they are 9th in the League.

[underhanded]

I'm not anti-Nige, but the aversion to loan signings does seem a little problematic to me (that is if he really is the one against them, I think we're basing this on one or two interview comments).

Forest, and others before them, have brought in some very handy loan signings this year, just look at Djed Spence and Zinckernagal to name just two. I know we may be more tightly restricted on wages and who we can get, but squad depth has been an issue for us this season, so why not bring at least one or two in? The Jan window showed there were enough young prem players available on loan, but we (as far as we know) did not move for any.

COYR

[Monkeh]

16 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Luton, Preston, Coventry and Blackpool shouldn't be above us on squad strength.

We have a top 10 squad in my opinion, yours differs.

Who in Lutons squad would walk into a top 10 team ?

Yes they should they all have better squads then us

[tin]

7 minutes ago, underhanded said:

I'm not anti-Nige, but the aversion to loan signings does seem a little problematic to me (that is if he really is the one against them, I think we're basing this on one or two interview comments).

Forest, and others before them, have brought in some very handy loan signings this year, just look at Djed Spence and Zinckernagal to name just two. I know we may be more tightly restricted on wages and who we can get, but squad depth has been an issue for us this season, so why not bring at least one or two in? The Jan window showed there were enough young prem players available on loan, but we (as far as we know) did not move for any.

COYR

With loan signings, though, there's increasingly a loan fee, agents' fees, and a commitment of covering up to 100% of the loanee's wages. Prime example: Andreas Velicka joined us on loan from Rangers under GJ and got injured five minutes into his debut. Those five minutes on the pitch cost us around £500k. 

I don't buy Nige being averse to loan signings. He's said any player has to be better than what we have, be affordable, and that he prefers to get people in permanently. He's signed plenty of loanees in the past. Forest have pushed the boat out with those loanees, SL didn't want to that and that's the bottom line IMO. 

Edited February 8, 2022 by tin

[GrahamC]

22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I guess they sell Johnson in the summer if they don’t go up.

I’m really intrigued to see their finances for 20/21.  They extended their financial year from May 31 to June 30, so don’t have to submit until end of March.

Last accounts:

2018 was a £6M loss.  With Covid and FFP allowances, they are gonna be ok for this season’s cycle, but next season looks worse than us.

 

Think the Joao Carvalho transfer will be used to try & cover a fair bit of this, £12m initial outlay, then sold to the other club Marinakis owns, bet he is shown as being sold for circa £15m myself.

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

Cooper doing very well isn't he.

Just like that !

[Monkeh]

18 minutes ago, underhanded said:

I'm not anti-Nige, but the aversion to loan signings does seem a little problematic to me (that is if he really is the one against them, I think we're basing this on one or two interview comments).

Forest, and others before them, have brought in some very handy loan signings this year, just look at Djed Spence and Zinckernagal to name just two. I know we may be more tightly restricted on wages and who we can get, but squad depth has been an issue for us this season, so why not bring at least one or two in? The Jan window showed there were enough young prem players available on loan, but we (as far as we know) did not move for any.

COYR

He isnt against loan signings he's against the cost of loan signings these days,

For example we had to pay a fair wedge for Tammy, we helped his development but saw no return on our investment,

That's what I believe he is against, he'd rather play alex Scott then loan in Scott hogan 

[PHILINFRANCE]

13 minutes ago, tin said:

With loan signings, though, there's increasingly a loan fee, agents' fees, and a commitment of covering up to 100% of the loanee's wages. Prime example: Andreas Velicka joined us on loan from Rangers under GJ and got injured five minutes into his debut. Those five minutes on the pitch cost us around £500k. 

I don't buy Nige being averse to loan signings. He's said any player has to be better than what we have, be affordable, and that he prefers to get people in permanently. He's signed plenty of loanees in the past. Forest have pushed the boat out with those loanees, SL didn't want to that and that's the bottom line IMO. 

As you say, I am not convinced NP is averse to loan signings per se, but what would be the point this season?

I really don’t think we are in any danger of relegation, and surely even the most optimistic amongst us don’t really think we will threaten the playoffs.

A loan signing, therefore, would just have been a waste of money, unless it was a promising youngster with an option to buy.

[Waconda]

27 minutes ago, TheReds said:

All of them, as they are 9th in the League.

Exactaly.

[Waconda]

25 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Yes they should they all have better squads then us

And that is where we differ.

[Davefevs]

47 minutes ago, underhanded said:

I'm not anti-Nige, but the aversion to loan signings does seem a little problematic to me (that is if he really is the one against them, I think we're basing this on one or two interview comments).

Forest, and others before them, have brought in some very handy loan signings this year, just look at Djed Spence and Zinckernagal to name just two. I know we may be more tightly restricted on wages and who we can get, but squad depth has been an issue for us this season, so why not bring at least one or two in? The Jan window showed there were enough young prem players available on loan, but we (as far as we know) did not move for any.

COYR

40 minutes ago, tin said:

I don't buy Nige being averse to loan signings. He's said any player has to be better than what we have, be affordable, and that he prefers to get people in permanently. He's signed plenty of loanees in the past. Forest have pushed the boat out with those loanees, SL didn't want to that and that's the bottom line IMO. 

26 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

He isnt against loan signings he's against the cost of loan signings these days,

For example we had to pay a fair wedge for Tammy, we helped his development but saw no return on our investment,

That's what I believe he is against, he'd rather play alex Scott then loan in Scott hogan 

I think the other addition to all of your excellent points is even if you “loan with option to buy”, you aren’t improving your squad (generalisation), just making it permanent.

We saw that with Dasilva, Kalas and Palmer.  We loaned them, then bought them (£14m) to standstill in effect. You could argue it actually took us backwards. I think Nige would rather identify the right player and get them in instead.

[Sir Geoff]

Imo it is not fair to compare NP with Cooper. Surely if a fair comparison is to be made it should be with Houghton, whom a huge majority on here wanted to be appointed after LJ.

Fwiw Swansea fans never took to Cooper (possibly because of his tenuous Cardiff links, but it I think it went deeper than that) 

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Surprise, surprise. Moron makes moronic comparison. 

Its not moronic, and you are out of line. Some bloke has a different opinion to you, thats all. Forest are on a hell of a run while the good ship bristol city stumbles along with top earning players rarely playing and most of our midfield being injured, and no one able to organise and defend a set piece, so that business as usual for us.

 

[samo II]

2 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, we have a top 10 squad for sure, injuries have been too regular (once again) and allowances have to be made for that.

Really? I don’t think we have a top half squad, let alone top ten - some of our best performers are raw youth players and plenty of our experienced players haven’t performed at a championship level for two managers or more.

I truthfully cannot see how you’d put together a top ten line up, let alone match day squad from what we have available.

[Sheltons Army]

4 hours ago, VT05763 said:

With effectively the same bunch of players, Cooper managed to coax more out of the group and a superb run of form followed.

How 'magician' Steve Cooper transformed struggling Nottingham Forest to FA Cup heroes (msn.com)

Another little sly dig at Pearson I guess.  Prinny

 

 

Cooper has injected a bounce but backed heavily financially , in signings n loans

Two different jobs and two different expectations (Amongst the grounded anyway)

[maxjak]

1 hour ago, TheReds said:

All of them, as they are 9th in the League.

Superb...........that made me chuckle..........can't beat popping a bubble?

[Merrick's Marvels]

48 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Its not moronic, and you are out of line. Some bloke has a different opinion to you, thats all. Forest are on a hell of a run while the good ship bristol city stumbles along with top earning players rarely playing and most of our midfield being injured, and no one able to organise and defend a set piece, so that business as usual for us.

 

The continual anti-Pearson jibes, with no logic to back it up, is moronic.

I'm ever so sorry if you're offended by me calling a spade a spade.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels

[maxjak]

Forest are obviously rolling the dice this season, if they don't go up, they just may have FFP problems?   It helps that they have 5 players in on loan, whereas NP loathes loans?   Good luck to them, but not so sure that all that stardust sprinkling over The City Ground.....will end up attracting Tinkerbell? 

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

He isnt against loan signings he's against the cost of loan signings these days,

For example we had to pay a fair wedge for Tammy, we helped his development but saw no return on our investment,

That's what I believe he is against, he'd rather play alex Scott then loan in Scott hogan 

And when the loans dissapear it’s a rebuild

I agree, as long as we are not in danger of relegation , much better financially , and in regard of long term progression , give the exciting young ones experience 

Whether you finish 7th or 20th is somewhat irrelevant come August

Loans are a serious consideration if some added extra is required to stay up , or go up

If you are almost certain to finish 7th-20th , virtually pointless unless you are wanting a close look at a player with a serious view to signing in the summer

[underhanded]

@Davefevs @Monkeh @tin all great points, and you're probably right, there is plenty of example, throughout the championship, of what are expensive loan signings failing to make an impact.

I guess the relative poor decision making the club has made in recent year that grates!

[Sleepy1968]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

If this is however “isn’t Cooper doing well, Nige should be doing better”, then I don’t think you are comparing apples with apples.

Maybe a Cox's Orange Pippin verses a Royal Gala?

[Monkeh]

28 minutes ago, underhanded said:

@Davefevs @Monkeh @tin all great points, and you're probably right, there is plenty of example, throughout the championship, of what are expensive loan signings failing to make an impact.

I guess the relative poor decision making the club has made in recent year that grates!

Yep, that's about the gist of it,

If we hadn't of pissed money up against the wall while ashton and johnson played football manager with a real club then it would be different today 

[GrahamC]

Must admit to not following Forest’s transfer dealings closely so I have just checked.

They signed 4 players in the January window, some this “effectively the same group of players” stuff is nonsense, isn’t it?

[Kid in the Riot]

8 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Must admit to not following Forest’s transfer dealings closely so I have just checked.

They signed 4 players in the January window, some this “effectively the same group of players” stuff is nonsense, isn’t it?

Including Sam Surridge for £2.2m from Stoke City. 

Funny how the OP didn't post this praise last Monday. Forest had just lost in the league to....Cardiff City. 

[Fuber]

4 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, we have a top 10 squad for sure, injuries have been too regular (once again) and allowances have to be made for that.

Not been a disaster but we should be doing better with the resources available. Just my opinion.

Barring a small handful of players (two of which is consistently injured) who are champ standard much of this squad are young (and the inconsistencies relating to that) or unproven/not good enough for the Championship in so far.

In what universe is this squad top 10?!

[TheReds]

5 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Barring a small handful of players (two of which is consistently injured) who are champ standard much of this squad are young (and the inconsistencies relating to that) or unproven/not good enough for the Championship in so far.

In what universe is this squad top 10?!

It's in the Universe where you try and convince yourself and others that it is a top 10 squad (simply because you dislike the manager), therefore when it isn't in the top 10 you feel you have built up the right to have a pop at the manager at EVERY single opportunity, going as far as even mentioning/comparing other clubs and managers to us. Conveniently forgetting the fact they are in a completely different situation on and off the field - but again trying to convince yourself and others that we are somehow massively underachieving simply due to the manager.

[TheReds]

2 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Exactaly.

 

2 hours ago, VT05763 said:

And that is where we differ.

You've lost me now. You were basically questioning what Luton players would get into a top 10 team, even though they are all in one as they are 9th, and now we differ to teams above us because they have better squads than us, but you say we should be in the top 10 even though we have an inferior squad to the teams above us??

 

[Engvall’s Splinter]

5 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, we have a top 10 squad for sure, injuries have been too regular (once again) and allowances have to be made for that.

Not been a disaster but we should be doing better with the resources available. Just my opinion.

No chance Top 10. 

[DaveF]

11 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

We were 10th this time last year so not that crazy an opinion from the OP imo

Didn't we release about 10 players from that squad due to our massive losses?

Edited February 8, 2022 by DaveF

[TheReds]

11 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

We were 10th this time last year so not that crazy an opinion from the OP imo

We were indeed and we also watching some of the worst football I have ever seen from my years of being a Bristol City fan. We had one shot on target at home to Cardiff, then managed 2 against Sheff U, 1 against Watford with a 6-0 drubbing, then 1 against Reading and Holden was sacked. 

I can at least see what Pearson is trying to do, and we are miles away from those awful, monotonous performances - albeit our defending has been shocking, which nobody will disagree with. We have the likes of Scott, Han, Pring, Semenyo all starting games now, showing some unbelievable talent at young ages. We (most of us), have at least got something to look forward to now. To simply look at the League table from 12 months ago and compare the two is very short sighted imo. 

[Toblerone boot]

3 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Another little sly dig at Pearson I guess.  Prinny

 

 

Cooper has injected a bounce but backed heavily financially , in signings n loans

Two different jobs and two different expectations (Amongst the grounded anyway)

Is this poster someone who left posting under a different name after saying they were done with Bristol city if so why not admit it and we can judge their posts in that light (prinny

[phantom]

12 minutes ago, Blockb said:

Is this poster someone who left posting under a different name after saying they were done with Bristol city if so why not admit it and we can judge their posts in that light (prinny

It has been said before that there is the ability for the admin to be able to trace IP addresses etc, and many previous posters who were banned or left come back.

Those that were banned and get noticed will be blocked again.

I am surprised people still don't realise this

[Colemanballs]

29 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yes. But my point is 10th is not a crazy shout at all. 

 

Indeed. I'm somewhere between the OP and the baying mob, Both opinions are reasonable IMHO. I'd probably lean toward the consensus that, in the circumstances, NP is doing okay (although certainly not much better*), but the pitchfork reaction to a dissenting opinion I find pretty abhorrent to be honest.

*I'm talking purely in terms of results. I acknowledge that there may be huge steps being taken behind the scenes that I am unaware of.

[TheReds]

57 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yes. But my point is 10th is not a crazy shout at all. 

We were top 10 till about this time last year with a worse team of players available imo.

I agree with you 1 or 2 shots on target in game is not good enough. We have had games like that this season too.

We were shocking to watch, and very lucky in a lot of games to get us points on the board before Holdens sacking. Pearson has had his hands tied and has been playing with some young, inexperienced players learning their trade in the Championship, and has to contend with injuries to the players he has brought in himself. I don't think it is a fair comparison to what was here 12 months ago whatsoever, if anything he is getting a lot more out of the youngsters than most people would have expected. We are seeing patches of very decent football, creating chances, getting youngsters plenty of experience, if we can sort the defence out then maybe at a push, we would be a top 10 side imo. 

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Yes. But my point is 10th is not a crazy shout at all. 

We were top 10 till about this time last year with a worse team of players available imo.

I agree with you 1 or 2 shots on target in game is not good enough. We have had games like that this season too.

Just to play devils advocate - the team that got us a good start last season was not the same team that was 10th early 2021. The team was missing, Mawson, Weimann and Paterson…and in the main looked a shadow of the team that got us off to a flyer (because it was different)???

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

It has been said before that there is the ability for the admin to be able to trace IP addresses etc, and many previous posters who were banned or left come back.

Those that were banned and get noticed will be blocked again.

I am surprised people still don't realise this

It was a polite question no need fee sarcasm 

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11 minutes ago, Blockb said:

It was a polite question no need fee sarcasm 

Every time I post you seem to have a sarcastic comment if you have problem with me please return my money I will leave the site 

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34 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I have been disappointed with some things he's done. He's got some things wrong, but I am more optimistic now since he's changed our style of football to what suits these players better.

Some of the signings are very impressive, but some of the signings/re-signings were bad ones imo, and ideally we needed to get them right with a smaller squad.

Yeah very childish reactions at times to a different opinion on a forum. I don't see it in any of the other online forums I regularly go on.

To me I have never really looked at who the manager is when saying what I think. I just go on what they do.

If the day comes that I want Pearson gone then I will say so on here like I would any manager.

But I give managers a chance, and the good things that Pearson has done has me thinking he might prove to be the right appointment.

No idea if that will be the case or not. Lets see what happens.

There seem to be some fans who cannot find anything other than pure black and white.

I’m very much in favour of Nige (no surprise), but that doesn’t mean I’m not critical of things he’s done…he’s got things wrong imho from my view as a fan.

Having said that some (and I do mean some) are circumstantial and we are setting an unrealistic high bar re some of the criticisms I hear / read.

I think criticisms of physios and coaches / coaching are in many cases without foundation, are just opinion, but positioned as fact.

I think we do the same with players too.