Danny Drinkwater

[BCFC1512]

Stealing a living this bloke!! On 110k at Chelsea apparently :laugh:

[Ben1980]

Got booed by the Reading fans when he came on! 

[chinapig]

2 minutes ago, Taunton_BCFC said:

Stealing a living this bloke!! On 110k at Chelsea apparently

Of which Reading only have to pay £8.5k. Still too much mind you.

[Waconda]

Off field issues -

Danny Drinkwater: Chelsea midfielder says 'time to clean myself up' - BBC Sport

More to this story I suspect, don't be to harsh.

Edited February 9, 2022 by VT05763

[Bristol Rob]

26 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Off field issues -

Danny Drinkwater: Chelsea midfielder says 'time to clean myself up' - BBC Sport

More to this story I suspect, don't be to harsh.

Poor bloke.

Regardless of the zeros in your bank account, things can and do get on top of you.

I hope he gets the support he needs.

We saw it first hand with Culker.

[Red-Robbo]

There can be few hero to zero stories as stark as Drinkwater's. 

If only he lived up to his name. 

[CyderInACan]

32 apps in 3 years, taking in Burnley, Villa, Kasimpasa & Reading. 

[Gazred]

Shows how quick your professional life can fall apart when your private one does.

He was as important as anyone for Leicester in their title winning season. Sad to see really, clearly a talented player when at his best.

[East End Old Boy]

Didn’t even know he’d come on! Wish “Downsy” would actually speak the names of opposition players instead of mumbling them!

[Fordy62]

There genuinely couldn’t have been any more hatred towards DD then there was from BBC Radio Berkshire last night. They despise him. 

[Port Said Red]

10 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Off field issues -

Danny Drinkwater: Chelsea midfielder says 'time to clean myself up' - BBC Sport

More to this story I suspect, don't be to harsh.

It does seem that ironically, from the article and the shape he looked to be in last night, drinking water would be better for him.

[supercidered]

10 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

There can be few hero to zero stories as stark as Drinkwater's. 

If only he lived up to his name. 

 Loves that!

[BTRFTG]

Funny they never report the unemployed ex-steelworker who's hit rock bottom and professes to want to 'clean up his act '.

First world problem of a first world idiot. Others are far more deserving of our sympathy.

[Sleepy1968]

11 hours ago, VT05763 said:

Off field issues -

Danny Drinkwater: Chelsea midfielder says 'time to clean myself up' - BBC Sport

More to this story I suspect, don't be to harsh.

I'm not sure he knows what 'a wake up call' is.

[MarcusX]

2 hours ago, East End Old Boy said:

Didn’t even know he’d come on! Wish “Downsy” would actually speak the names of opposition players instead of mumbling them!

Same, I had no idea he was on the pitch!

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Funny they never report the unemployed ex-steelworker who's hit rock bottom and professes to want to 'clean up his act '.

First world problem of a first world idiot. Others are far more deserving of our sympathy.

How is it a “first world problem”?

Why are others more deserving? I’d argue anyone with a mental health issue is equally deserving of support. No one chooses to go “off the rails”. No one chooses a mental health problem any more than someone chooses to develop a serious physical health problem.

Its ignorance like yours that impacts ALL mental health sufferers.

[underhanded]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Funny they never report the unemployed ex-steelworker who's hit rock bottom and professes to want to 'clean up his act '.

First world problem of a first world idiot. Others are far more deserving of our sympathy.

If you think mental health issues and alcoholism are 'first world problems' I suggest you travel around the world a little more

[B1ackbird]

Couldn't he be sponsored by AA?

[Taz]

2 minutes ago, B1ackbird said:

Couldn't he be sponsored by AA?

Why would Albert Adomah want to sponsor him?

 

[BTRFTG]

1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

How is it a “first world problem”?

Why are others more deserving? I’d argue anyone with a mental health issue is equally deserving of support. No one chooses to go “off the rails”. No one chooses a mental health problem any more than someone chooses to develop a serious physical health problem.

Its ignorance like yours that impacts ALL mental health sufferers.

We disagree.

These days its deemed acceptable to excuse all sorts of behavioural failings as an issue with 'mental health'. In Drinkwater's case maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That's the problem, it's non-falsifiable.

Now one might question why it is some with 'mental health' issues seek to publicise the fact rather than, if cognisant of their own failings, attempt to sort matters away from the stress and glare of scrutiny (as any competent mental health professional might advise?) Even the term 'mental health' is culturally ambiguous. Although the negative outcomes of mental illness/disorder may be similar to those of poor 'mental health' they are not necessarily the same and should not so be assumed.

You're correct nobody chooses to 'go off the rails', same a folks don't choose to have a low IQ but reality is, baselined against a social norm, such folks will always exist (though over time who falls where on the curve will change.) Now some might argue Drinkwater has over the years demonstrated through the consistency of his behaviour who he is, because that's his personality type. That's different from 'mental health'. He's not the first footballer so to do, nor will he be the last. He may no longer be happy with who he perceives himself to be and may seek to deploy techniques to amend his behaviour. If so, good luck to him and I wish him well in his endeavour. But citing 'mental health' is sometimes the modern equivalent of the 'get of of jail free' card. Do I have sympathy for his personality? Of course I don't, that's who he is. Do I excuse him for his failings? No, again that's who he is.

And the reason this is a 'first world problem' is unlike the majority of folks on this planet, many of whom do suffer intolerably poor mental health, they don't have the luxury to sit around and dwell on it. They're minute by minute facing famine, or war, or death, or persecution, or extreme poverty and there is an observed correlation between 'reported' mental health issues and affluence. Some theories postulate that our Western comforts and affluence is now the prime cause for our reported mental health outcomes. That we've an iatrogenic 'mental health' crisis.  I happen to believe there's a grain of truth in that.

[Hamdon Mart]

8 minutes ago, B1ackbird said:

Couldn't he be sponsored by AA?

They would certainly help with his recovery! 

Seriously though, hope he can rebuild his career somewhere and sort out his MH issues. Everything he has gone through is something most of us have suffered but maybe not all at once and we're all built differently in terms of coping with it. 

[NcnsBcfc]

He certainly looked to be carrying a few extra pounds when he came on  and unlike Swift; had zero impact on the game.

Joao also looked unfit, and for a guy that always seems to score against us, was completely ineffective.

Why was Swift only on the bench for them? Completely changed the course of the game with his movement, anf passing when he came on.

[Sir Colby-Tit]

12 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

There can be few hero to zero stories as stark as Drinkwater's. 

If only he lived up to his name. 

A few years back, when he played against us at AG, a bloke near to me in the Dullmoan yelled at him " Oi, Drinkwater, drink cider you ****" 

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said:

A few years back, when he played against us at AG, a bloke near to me in the Dullmoan yelled at him " Oi, Drinkwater, drink cider you ****" 

 

Trouble is, he did!  

[CyderInACan]

18 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

We disagree.

These days its deemed acceptable to excuse all sorts of behavioural failings as an issue with 'mental health'. In Drinkwater's case maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That's the problem, it's non-falsifiable.

Now one might question why it is some with 'mental health' issues seek to publicise the fact rather than, if cognisant of their own failings, attempt to sort matters away from the stress and glare of scrutiny (as any competent mental health professional might advise?) Even the term 'mental health' is culturally ambiguous. Although the negative outcomes of mental illness/disorder may be similar to those of poor 'mental health' they are not necessarily the same and should not so be assumed.

You're correct nobody chooses to 'go off the rails', same a folks don't choose to have a low IQ but reality is, baselined against a social norm, such folks will always exist (though over time who falls where on the curve will change.) Now some might argue Drinkwater has over the years demonstrated through the consistency of his behaviour who he is, because that's his personality type. That's different from 'mental health'. He's not the first footballer so to do, nor will he be the last. He may no longer be happy with who he perceives himself to be and may seek to deploy techniques to amend his behaviour. If so, good luck to him and I wish him well in his endeavour. But citing 'mental health' is sometimes the modern equivalent of the 'get of of jail free' card. Do I have sympathy for his personality? Of course I don't, that's who he is. Do I excuse him for his failings? No, again that's who he is.

And the reason this is a 'first world problem' is unlike the majority of folks on this planet, many of whom do suffer intolerably poor mental health, they don't have the luxury to sit around and dwell on it. They're minute by minute facing famine, or war, or death, or persecution, or extreme poverty and there is an observed correlation between 'reported' mental health issues and affluence. Some theories postulate that our Western comforts and affluence is now the prime cause for our reported mental health outcomes. That we've an iatrogenic 'mental health' crisis.  I happen to believe there's a grain of truth in that.

Longwinded way of telling him to "man up"? 

Utter nonsense. 

[redordead1]

2 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Longwinded way of telling him to "man up"? 

Utter nonsense. 

Agree. Rarely have I read such tripe.

[PhilC]

3 hours ago, East End Old Boy said:

Didn’t even know he’d come on! Wish “Downsy” would actually speak the names of opposition players instead of mumbling them!

 

Rather than taking a cheap swipe at Downsy do you not think that part of the problem might just be with the PA system, that has been frequently discussed here over the years?

 

Just a thought....

[maxjak]

Feel a bit sorry for the guy, as he obviously has some issues?  That however is tempered somewhat by him winning the Lottery every month?    If I was picking that wage up, I might make a little more effort to get help and prove my worth?

[BTRFTG]

19 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Longwinded way of telling him to "man up"? 

Utter nonsense. 

Save that's not what I said, but invent as you will.

Ask yourself this:

Somebody informs you they've been sober for 5 years. What's your response? Congratulate them, tell them how well they've done, tell them to keep going?

Well you could do that and that indeed would be to provide positive approval for their behavioural changes. Doubtless you'll feel proud of yourself for so saying. But in doing so you're also reaffirming the individual's failing, adopting an Abrahamic, controlling sense of disapproval - once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. That's how the AA works, hence it's religious roots. Would you say the same of, say, prisoners?  Why bother with rehabilitation? Now you could be honest and in offering praise inform the person they've proved themselves capable of change, but also that they've taken the easy way out. Rather they might modify their behaviour from all or nothing denial to that offering them ultimate freedom.  For it to be their choice. To occasionally enjoy a drink in moderation should they so desire, it's up to them. Difficult for sure, but they're only part way to resolving the primary issue. It's not about drinking per se but having the control to do so should you so wish.  But few would ever see it that way as that's not what the social norm demands. That's how social control works and if you buy into it why would you ever see or think differently?

[Guest whoklldredrobin]

24 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Save that's not what I said, but invent as you will.

Ask yourself this:

Somebody informs you they've been sober for 5 years. What's your response? Congratulate them, tell them how well they've done, tell them to keep going?

Well you could do that and that indeed would be to provide positive approval for their behavioural changes. Doubtless you'll feel proud of yourself for so saying. But in doing so you're also reaffirming the individual's failing, adopting an Abrahamic, controlling sense of disapproval - once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. That's how the AA works, hence it's religious roots. Would you say the same of, say, prisoners?  Why bother with rehabilitation? Now you could be honest and in offering praise inform the person they've proved themselves capable of change, but also that they've taken the easy way out. Rather they might modify their behaviour from all or nothing denial to that offering them ultimate freedom.  For it to be their choice. To occasionally enjoy a drink in moderation should they so desire, it's up to them. Difficult for sure, but they're only part way to resolving the primary issue. It's not about drinking per se but having the control to do so should you so wish.  But few would ever see it that way as that's not what the social norm demands. That's how social control works and if you buy into it why would you ever see or think differently?

You obviously have had no experience of alcoholism, recovery, or AA – how dare you suggest a recovering alcoholic (or addict of any kind) has 'taken the easy way out'?

An alcoholic IS always an alcoholic, whether they are in recovery or not. They cannot drink in moderation. One drink can lead to serious relapse. Their recovery is dependent on them hitting rock bottom and making a seismic change in their behaviour  so that they are able to live their lives on a daily basis without drink  It requires constant vigilance and hard work. It is NOT easy and they do deserve praise. 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by whoklldredrobin

[BTRFTG]

7 minutes ago, whoklldredrobin said:

You obviously have had no experience of alcoholism, recovery, or AA – how dare you suggest a recovering alcoholic (or addict of any kind) has 'taken the easy way out'?

An alcoholic is always an alcoholic, whether they are in recovery or not. They cannot drink in moderation. One drink can lead to serious relapse. Their recovery is dependent on them hitting rock bottom and making a seismic change in their behaviour  so that they are able to live their lives on a daily basis without drink  It requires constant vigilance and hard work. It is NOT easy and they do deserve praise. 

 

That, as I pointed out, is one interpretation but is just that, an interpretation. Those who founded AA did so on those principals, that's how they're clients are defined, that's how they demand them to be.

It does NOT, ever define those clients. 

Try reading again what I wrote and if you still believe the content of your post then my point has been proven.

Edited February 10, 2022 by BTRFTG

[East End Old Boy]

6 hours ago, PhilC said:

 

Rather than taking a cheap swipe at Downsy do you not think that part of the problem might just be with the PA system, that has been frequently discussed here over the years?

 

Just a thought....

Strange that I can hear the names of the substitute home team players when announced, so the speakers, if used properly, can be heard!

Just a thought……! 

[PhilC]

34 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said:

Strange that I can hear the names of the substitute home team players when announced, so the speakers, if used properly, can be heard!

Just a thought……! 

Fair enough! Just felt like a cheap dig at "Downsy" 

[redsquirrel]

6 hours ago, whoklldredrobin said:

You obviously have had no experience of alcoholism, recovery, or AA – how dare you suggest a recovering alcoholic (or addict of any kind) has 'taken the easy way out'?

An alcoholic IS always an alcoholic, whether they are in recovery or not. They cannot drink in moderation. One drink can lead to serious relapse. Their recovery is dependent on them hitting rock bottom and making a seismic change in their behaviour  so that they are able to live their lives on a daily basis without drink  It requires constant vigilance and hard work. It is NOT easy and they do deserve praise. 

 

firstly,absolutely spot on.  im not looking for praise,i dont need it now as ive realised how important life is to me but i have to do it without booze.  i gave up on millenium night,  believe it or not,the bloke that was there for me if ever i felt i was going to relapse was robbored, (in a professional capacity)  i never had to call in need but he was there for me,. something i will always be grateful for. 22years on,could i drink in moderation if i wanted to??  i still couldnt trust myself enough to try it and its certainly not worth risking my life with my partner for

[redsquirrel]

7 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

That, as I pointed out, is one interpretation but is just that, an interpretation. Those who founded AA did so on those principals, that's how they're clients are defined, that's how they demand them to be.

It does NOT, ever define those clients. 

Try reading again what I wrote and if you still believe the content of your post then my point has been proven.

i do to a degree  agree with what you  are saying also. i tried AA  on more than one occasion and left meetings either going to the offy or pub as i found it a bit religious and depressing. everybody is different,the best thing to do is do what works for you and not what people want you to do.  in anycase,you wont do anything until you really do hit rock bottom and have to try something

Edited February 10, 2022 by redsquirrel
spelling

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

I sympathise with him but living up to his surname may have been the way to go. 

[Port Said Red]

It didn't sound like he was getting much sympathy or understanding from the Reading end. Never did like Reading or their plastic fans though.

[MarcusX]

13 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

We disagree.

These days its deemed acceptable to excuse all sorts of behavioural failings as an issue with 'mental health'. In Drinkwater's case maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That's the problem, it's non-falsifiable.

Now one might question why it is some with 'mental health' issues seek to publicise the fact rather than, if cognisant of their own failings, attempt to sort matters away from the stress and glare of scrutiny (as any competent mental health professional might advise?) Even the term 'mental health' is culturally ambiguous. Although the negative outcomes of mental illness/disorder may be similar to those of poor 'mental health' they are not necessarily the same and should not so be assumed.

You're correct nobody chooses to 'go off the rails', same a folks don't choose to have a low IQ but reality is, baselined against a social norm, such folks will always exist (though over time who falls where on the curve will change.) Now some might argue Drinkwater has over the years demonstrated through the consistency of his behaviour who he is, because that's his personality type. That's different from 'mental health'. He's not the first footballer so to do, nor will he be the last. He may no longer be happy with who he perceives himself to be and may seek to deploy techniques to amend his behaviour. If so, good luck to him and I wish him well in his endeavour. But citing 'mental health' is sometimes the modern equivalent of the 'get of of jail free' card. Do I have sympathy for his personality? Of course I don't, that's who he is. Do I excuse him for his failings? No, again that's who he is.

And the reason this is a 'first world problem' is unlike the majority of folks on this planet, many of whom do suffer intolerably poor mental health, they don't have the luxury to sit around and dwell on it. They're minute by minute facing famine, or war, or death, or persecution, or extreme poverty and there is an observed correlation between 'reported' mental health issues and affluence. Some theories postulate that our Western comforts and affluence is now the prime cause for our reported mental health outcomes. That we've an iatrogenic 'mental health' crisis.  I happen to believe there's a grain of truth in that.

Fwiw I think this was a better reply than you’re first one and I don’t find myself immediately disagreeing with everything.

I think there may be some truth to the end of your post - or could it be (I don’t know) that western worlds have become more aware that actually these problems exist? In the same way that if someone had a fractured leg but didn’t know they may try and battle on, but cause them self greater difficulty further on? I have to say I never truly understood what “anxiety” was until the last few months when I realised I’ve been suffering with it a little. All brought on by a combination of stress at work and long covid breathing issues - but externally to my partner it appeared as someone always in a mood, never wanting to go out (because all I wanted to do was get into bed) and seriously lacking motivation to train
 

I personally don’t think there’s any “luxury” in dwelling on mental health issues regardless of how many 0s your bank account has. As far as we know he’s not about to lose his home any time soon - but then when my dad has his problems that to his credit was the one payment he secured each month before blowing the rest. Even then, having a roof over your head doesn’t make the problems go away.

sorry if the first response was a bit sharp but as you can see it’s something that’s deeply affected me and my family so I see it differently and tend to defend / give people the benefit of the doubt