headhunter Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 We're recording at 5.00 PM. This is the link to listen live : https://www.podbean.com/lsw/voj3TKjf6G?lsid=rmgwbfvRuqN [recording available from 7.00 PM - LINK LATER IN THIS THREAD] Ian, Mark & DaveP will discuss how good we were in the opening 45 minutes and then what happened next!! Can take SMS messages if you listen on Podbean and dial in and speak if you wish - critics who think Ian is a *ell-end can tell him so to his ears!!! FWIW, for my part today was just another one of those days - I'm becoming punch drunk with the monotony of how crap we are defensively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Gay will be full on sack nige mode and fully erect as he says it 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Gay will be full on sack nige mode and fully erect as he says it He’s entitled to his wrong opinion!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Gay will be full on sack nige mode and fully erect as he says it You got any better ideas? Cause this one ain't working! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, frenchred said: You got any better ideas? Cause this one ain't working! Yep clear out Vyner and the other deadwood and let him rebuild the team like I’m pretty sure he was employed to do 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, nellie said: Yep clear out Vyner and the other deadwood and let him rebuild the team like I’m pretty sure he was employed to do The problem is with what ? Unless we sell a Scott , Semenyo or HNM we’re restricted to what we can do. We’ve got players on decent wages who simply aren’t going to get elsewhere. We’re heading for league one I’m afraid unless something changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, daored said: The problem is with what ? Unless we sell a Scott , Semenyo or HNM we’re restricted to what we can do. We’ve got players on decent wages who simply aren’t going to get elsewhere. We’re heading for league one I’m afraid unless something changes. And whose fault is that ?? Got to be Mr Ashton until we clear out most of his overpaid crap Nige was always going to be up the creek without a paddle I have upmost confidence he will sort this shower of shite into a team but he can’t do it in a season where he has no money to do anything 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, daored said: The problem is with what ? Unless we sell a Scott , Semenyo or HNM we’re restricted to what we can do. We’ve got players on decent wages who simply aren’t going to get elsewhere. We’re heading for league one I’m afraid unless something changes. Slight over reaction - what do you know about those other clubs who sit beneath (some absolute basket case clubs too I might add) which gives you the definite opinion we are heading for league one next season. Some whopping comments on here this afternoon. Many with some right self entitlement. Average team loses in derby shocker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Engvall’s Splinter said: Slight over reaction - what do you know about those other clubs who sit beneath (some absolute basket case clubs too I might add) which gives you the definite opinion we are heading for league one next season. Some whopping comments on here this afternoon. Many with some right self entitlement. Average team loses in derby shocker. We have been on a downward slope for two seasons now - I don’t know about other clubs situation I’m simply interested in us. Unfortunately, a downward trend results in relegation from any league for any team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, daored said: We have been on a downward slope for two seasons now - I don’t know about other clubs situation I’m simply interested in us. Unfortunately, a downward trend results in relegation from any league for any team A ship often takes a while to turn. We’ll get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, nellie said: And whose fault is that ?? Got to be Mr Ashton until we clear out most of his overpaid crap Nige was always going to be up the creek without a paddle I have upmost confidence he will sort this shower of shite into a team but he can’t do it in a season where he has no money to do anything I’ve wanted Pearson as manager pre Johnson so I want him to succeed. He is restricted by finances and agree his hands are tied like any new manager would be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, nellie said: Yep clear out Vyner and the other deadwood and let him rebuild the team like I’m pretty sure he was employed to do Ahh the old rebuild cloud! Like he did this season with Simpson, King, James, tanner, Baker and Atkinson? That went well 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, frenchred said: Ahh the old rebuild cloud! Like he did this season with Simpson, King, James, tanner, Baker and Atkinson? That went well To be fair we had no money to be able to do much due to the previous shit show of a CEO that bent us over and went in dry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said: A ship often takes a while to turn. We’ll get there. The worry is the time to turn the ship may mean a spell in league one which financially will be a disaster for the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, daored said: The worry is the time to turn the ship may mean a spell in league one which financially will be a disaster for the club No would be a reset button not that I want that to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, frenchred said: Ahh the old rebuild cloud! Like he did this season with Simpson, King, James, tanner, Baker and Atkinson? That went well You think Baker, James, Atkinson & Tanner were poor signings then? Edited February 13, 2022 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, frenchred said: Ahh the old rebuild cloud! Like he did this season with Simpson, King, James, tanner, Baker and Atkinson? That went well You can have King and Simpson….Baker very unfortunate, was playing his best for a couple of years. King and Simpson were free transfers on one year deals. Hasn’t hamstrung us, so a small positive. James has been good when played (equiv of 20 games). Think you’ve gone too early on Tanner and Atkinson, especially Atkinson. You missed off Andi Weimann btw. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: You can have King and Simpson….Baker very unfortunate, was playing his best for a couple of years. King and Simpson were free transfers on one year deals. Hasn’t hamstrung us, so a small positive. James has been good when played (equiv of 20 games). Think you’ve gone too early on Tanner and Atkinson, especially Atkinson. You missed off Andi Weimann btw. I'll give you weimann, been a revelation this season. Don't particularly rate James, in fact if all our players were available he don't play. King and Simpson take up a wage that could have been better placed. Tanner wasn't even bought for this season he was one for the future but due to other crap signings and performances he was rushed in. Let's not forget Pearson also threw him under a bus earlier in the season! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, frenchred said: I'll give you weimann, been a revelation this season. Don't particularly rate James, in fact if all our players were available he don't play. King and Simpson take up a wage that could have been better placed. Tanner wasn't even bought for this season he was one for the future but due to other crap signings and performances he was rushed in. Let's not forget Pearson also threw him under a bus earlier in the season! Years of mismanagement and covid have left NP in this position this season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, frenchred said: I'll give you weimann, been a revelation this season. Don't particularly rate James, in fact if all our players were available he don't play. King and Simpson take up a wage that could have been better placed. Tanner wasn't even bought for this season he was one for the future but due to other crap signings and performances he was rushed in. Let's not forget Pearson also threw him under a bus earlier in the season! No he didn’t. He said it wasn’t working for him (West Brom), and brought him off, switching formation in the process. There was so much tarmac and tyre marks on his after that bus throwing under incident (), he dropped him for how many games? None, kept his place straight for the next match. So easy to throw out stuff that’s just not true. He did the same with Alex Scott…hasn’t worked out too badly has it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Been a really good podcast this one to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No he didn’t. He said it wasn’t working for him (West Brom), and brought him off, switching formation in the process. There was so much tarmac and tyre marks on his after that bus throwing under incident (), he dropped him for how many games? None, kept his place straight for the next match. So easy to throw out stuff that’s just not true. He did the same with Alex Scott…hasn’t worked out too badly has it? Of course he picked him again straight away, it's what he does! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, frenchred said: Of course he picked him again straight away, it's what he does! So who would you bring in to replace Pearson ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I will answer the question about what we do with the overpaid shite we can’t rid ourselves off the blame is firmly at the feet of Ashton he signed these dossers for lots you can’t blame NP for that ! Sack them for being a fraud of a footballer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, nellie said: I will answer the question about what we do with the overpaid shite we can’t rid ourselves off the blame is firmly at the feet of Ashton he signed these dossers for lots you can’t blame NP for that ! Sack them for being a fraud of a footballer You can’t sack the players , they have a contract and the club has to honour it. It will cost us to move them on. All costs at the club are signed off at the very top , Ashton may have his faults but everything would be approved by the Lansdowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, daored said: You can’t sack the players , they have a contract and the club has to honour it. It will cost us to move them on. All costs at the club are signed off at the very top , Ashton may have his faults but everything would be approved by the Lansdowns That’s why football is wrong if I was a fraud at work I would be sacked ! Edited February 13, 2022 by nellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, nellie said: That’s why football is wrong if I was a fraud at work I would be sacked ! I don’t understand why you describe them as frauds ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, daored said: We have been on a downward slope for two seasons now - I don’t know about other clubs situation I’m simply interested in us. Unfortunately, a downward trend results in relegation from any league for any team You seriously think we are worse than last season? Laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, nellie said: I will answer the question about what we do with the overpaid shite we can’t rid ourselves off the blame is firmly at the feet of Ashton he signed these dossers for lots you can’t blame NP for that ! Sack them for being a fraud of a footballer Sack players and pay up their contracts ? Madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, daored said: I don’t understand why you describe them as frauds ? Because some are stealing a living Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Sack players and pay up their contracts ? Madness Did I say pay up contacts?? Can you not read? in any other job you can get sacked for gross incompetence you can’t in football!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, nellie said: Did I say pay up contacts?? Can you not read? in any other job you can get sacked for gross incompetence you can’t in football!! You said you would sack them. If you sack them you pay up their contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, nellie said: Because some are stealing a living Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: You seriously think we are worse than last season? Laughable. I think we’ve improved on last season , but that bar was very low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, daored said: Who? Vyner Simpson seems to be the world hide and seek champion 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: You said you would sack them. If you sack them you pay up their contracts That’s why football law is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: You said you would sack them. If you sack them you pay up their contracts If you steal from a employer that’s gross misconduct and is a sackable offence in any other job some of ours are doing this willingly Edited February 13, 2022 by nellie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, nellie said: If you steel from a employer that’s gross misconduct and is a sackable offence in any other job some of ours are doing this willingly Thats exactly what city are lacking STEEL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I think we are 1 year into a 3 year process. The current FFP model (fingers crossed we have a new one soon) hinders our current ability to change the personel too much. We have 16 players OOC summer 2023, with a few of them on option years then. With that in mind, the ones we want to keep hopefully will sign new contracts. The ones we don't, we may have to come to some sort of Nagy arrangement with, and take the hit. We certainly can't go through next season with half the squad either not signing, or playing out their contracts (just like 20/21). I described us on the podcast as a yo yo club performance wise at present. Win 1, lose 2, win 1, lose 2. I can't see that is going to change; and thus 6 points from every 6 games. Finishing with 46 points. Most years that has us going down, but this year is if course a bit different, with 2 awful teams (Peterborough, Barnsley) and two naughty ones (Derby and Reading). Any other year, yes we'd be bottom 3 i reckon. 6th highest scorers (thank you Andi), and the emergence of Antoine, and Scottie has been great to watch. However we are atrocious at the back. That's not going to change this season, no matter how hard we try unfortunately. I get annoyed by NP's comments about getting rid of players, because we can't in this market, or due to our squad size. However he is angry, and frustrated and is venting, i understand that. For me though, we were crying out for a couple of defensive loans. Just to freshen things up, and provide some competition. I can't believe the powers at be wouldn't have financed it if needed. However of course NP's views on loans are well known, if a bit archaic in my view. Roll on Boro, tough game; and yes, they will be crossing balls all day to our back post from both sides with runners coming in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Link for recorded podcast please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, nellie said: Vyner Simpson seems to be the world hide and seek champion That’s why football law is wrong I’m confused how Vyner & Simpson are committing fraud against their employer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, daored said: I’m confused how Vyner & Simpson are committing fraud against their employer? One as I said is the worlds hide and seek champion and the other isn’t a footballer I could list a few more to be honest Edited February 13, 2022 by nellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, nellie said: One as I said is the worlds hide and seek champion and the other isn’t a footballer That isn’t fraud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, daored said: That isn’t fraud Of cause it is if I got a job as a brain surgeon when I’m a plumber that’s fraud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: Link for recorded podcast please it's the same as the one in the first post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I enjoyed the pod. A well-balanced discussion despite the result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: I think we are 1 year into a 3 year process. The current FFP model (fingers crossed we have a new one soon) hinders our current ability to change the personel too much. We have 16 players OOC summer 2023, with a few of them on option years then. With that in mind, the ones we want to keep hopefully will sign new contracts. The ones we don't, we may have to come to some sort of Nagy arrangement with, and take the hit. We certainly can't go through next season with half the squad either not signing, or playing out their contracts (just like 20/21). I described us on the podcast as a yo yo club performance wise at present. Win 1, lose 2, win 1, lose 2. I can't see that is going to change; and thus 6 points from every 6 games. Finishing with 46 points. Most years that has us going down, but this year is if course a bit different, with 2 awful teams (Peterborough, Barnsley) and two naughty ones (Derby and Reading). Any other year, yes we'd be bottom 3 i reckon. 6th highest scorers (thank you Andi), and the emergence of Antoine, and Scottie has been great to watch. However we are atrocious at the back. That's not going to change this season, no matter how hard we try unfortunately. I get annoyed by NP's comments about getting rid of players, because we can't in this market, or due to our squad size. However he is angry, and frustrated and is venting, i understand that. For me though, we were crying out for a couple of defensive loans. Just to freshen things up, and provide some competition. I can't believe the powers at be wouldn't have financed it if needed. However of course NP's views on loans are well known, if a bit archaic in my view. Roll on Boro, tough game; and yes, they will be crossing balls all day to our back post from both sides with runners coming in . Agree with a lot of your points , we have to be tough with players and those out of contract we have to say sign or transfer listed- admittedly there is no guarantee the players will be sold but we must do our best to get a fee. My comment about we may end up relegated is we simply can’t rely on their always being three worse teams - eventually we will become one of those three worse teams. Pearson is in many ways has his hand tied, he’s limited financially to who he can bring in. We’ve been fortunate with the emergence of Semenyo & Scott this season (although I do believe the coaching staff should take credit for their progress). 8 minutes ago, nellie said: Of cause it is if I got a job as a brain surgeon when I’m a plumber that’s fraud You actually serious ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, daored said: Agree with a lot of your points , we have to be tough with players and those out of contract we have to say sign or transfer listed- admittedly there is no guarantee the players will be sold but we must do our best to get a fee. My comment about we may end up relegated is we simply can’t rely on their always being three worse teams - eventually we will become one of those three worse teams. Pearson is in many ways has his hand tied, he’s limited financially to who he can bring in. We’ve been fortunate with the emergence of Semenyo & Scott this season (although I do believe the coaching staff should take credit for their progress). Yep, but not this season fortunately. I still can't quite believe we stayed up last season either. But heh ho, gift horses and all that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, NcnsBcfc said: Yep, but not this season fortunately. I still can't quite believe we stayed up last season either. But heh ho, gift horses and all that . I agree this season we’re fine - but my concern is eventually you run out of three worse teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, daored said: I agree this season we’re fine - but my concern is eventually you run out of three worse teams. Not really, the gap between L1 and Champ is massive unless 3 big clubs come up who can invest heavily. The favourites for Champ relegation 22/23 as of February 22 is blatantly Rotherham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Well this thread has fallen into the realms of bizarre! Plumbers and brain surgeons, hide and seek, paying up contracts of players who you have to pay. Its hard when we lose, harder to read his dross! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Not really, the gap between L1 and Champ is massive unless 3 big clubs come up who can invest heavily. The favourites for Champ relegation 22/23 as of February 22 is blatantly Rotherham Rotherham you would suspect will yo yo again, but one year they’ve got to stay up. Haven’t Wigan been taken over ? Agree the gap is huge and every year gets bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, nellie said: I will answer the question about what we do with the overpaid shite we can’t rid ourselves off the blame is firmly at the feet of Ashton he signed these dossers for lots you can’t blame NP for that ! Sack them for being a fraud of a footballer What I don’t get on OTIB is the number of posters who slag our players off as not good enough, but expect them to play much better than they actually rate them. How does that work? 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: You said you would sack them. If you sack them you pay up their contracts If you have the right grounds to sack them, you don’t pay up their contract. Obviously have to find the right grounds. Kicking a cat would be grounds to sack / dismiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Well this thread has fallen into the realms of bizarre! Plumbers and brain surgeons, hide and seek, paying up contracts of players who you have to pay. Its hard when we lose, harder to read his dross! even more bizarre people thinking NP is the problem to be honest Edited February 13, 2022 by nellie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, nellie said: Evan more bizarre people thinking NP is the problem to be honest Exactly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 48 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: I think we are 1 year into a 3 year process. The current FFP model (fingers crossed we have a new one soon) hinders our current ability to change the personel too much. We have 16 players OOC summer 2023, with a few of them on option years then. With that in mind, the ones we want to keep hopefully will sign new contracts. The ones we don't, we may have to come to some sort of Nagy arrangement with, and take the hit. We certainly can't go through next season with half the squad either not signing, or playing out their contracts (just like 20/21). I described us on the podcast as a yo yo club performance wise at present. Win 1, lose 2, win 1, lose 2. I can't see that is going to change; and thus 6 points from every 6 games. Finishing with 46 points. Most years that has us going down, but this year is if course a bit different, with 2 awful teams (Peterborough, Barnsley) and two naughty ones (Derby and Reading). Any other year, yes we'd be bottom 3 i reckon. 6th highest scorers (thank you Andi), and the emergence of Antoine, and Scottie has been great to watch. However we are atrocious at the back. That's not going to change this season, no matter how hard we try unfortunately. I get annoyed by NP's comments about getting rid of players, because we can't in this market, or due to our squad size. However he is angry, and frustrated and is venting, i understand that. For me though, we were crying out for a couple of defensive loans. Just to freshen things up, and provide some competition. I can't believe the powers at be wouldn't have financed it if needed. However of course NP's views on loans are well known, if a bit archaic in my view. Roll on Boro, tough game; and yes, they will be crossing balls all day to our back post from both sides with runners coming in . Agree, but just a couple of additional points; Aside from those out of contract (Martin, COD, King, Simpson, Cundy), we have 2 types who are under contract that we need to think about moving on, the likes of Bakinson & some of those out on loan at present who probably don’t have a future here (so Sam Pearson & Janneh) all of whom are on wages that sides in divisions below can afford, so are possibly easier to shift. Then the Palmer, Dasilva, Wells ones which will be nigh on impossible. As for defensive loans, I think we made the calculated gamble in January that Klose aside, we didn’t need to spend anything on wages in order to survive. Him, Cundy & the young lad on the bench today are all only under contract until June, we need to give them the opportunity to show whether they are worth another deal or not now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 Here's a link to the recording of our live broadcast: https://foreverbristolcity.podbean.com/e/easy-to-blame-stroud-on-that-pen-but-that-covers-up-the-defensive-frailties-that-define-us/ Another Groundhog Day debate featuring Neil Sutton, Mark Tovey and Ian Gay with Dave Pottier in the chair. Once again we have a more moderate Ian whose pick for the 11 to face a rampant Boro side next weekend gets the nod from the rest of the panel. Must admit the highlight each episode for me is becoming the selection of the intro music - anyone care to name this week's choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, daored said: We have been on a downward slope for two seasons now - I don’t know about other clubs situation I’m simply interested in us. Unfortunately, a downward trend results in relegation from any league for any team If you don’t know about other clubs situations then you aren’t equipped with all the information you need to make predictions about relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, daored said: I think we’ve improved on last season , but that bar was very low. So we’ve been on a downward slope for two seasons but have improved on last season? Good grief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, headhunter said: Here's a link to the recording of our live broadcast: https://foreverbristolcity.podbean.com/e/easy-to-blame-stroud-on-that-pen-but-that-covers-up-the-defensive-frailties-that-define-us/ Another Groundhog Day debate featuring Neil Sutton, Mark Tovey and Ian Gay with Dave Pottier in the chair. Once again we have a more moderate Ian whose pick for the 11 to face a rampant Boro side next weekend gets the nod from the rest of the panel. Must admit the highlight each episode for me is becoming the selection of the intro music - anyone care to name this week's choice? Have I got to listen to know what the eleven is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: So we’ve been on a downward slope for two seasons but have improved on last season? Good grief. Over the past couple of seasons we’ve become a lower half championship club. We have improved on last season in terms of performances and there are positives the younger players being given an opportunity and taken them. When we were looking for a replacement for Johnson, the message from the club was the new manager was to achieve the play offs / promotion we’re a long way from that. Since Johnson left our league positions haven’t improved, so I would argue we have been on a downward slope. I would argue our performances have improved (although we’re not consistent and for both reasons due to the younger players in the team / squad which is to be expected). I’m not sure having in-depth knowledge of other clubs, means you can’t have a view on relegation for future seasons. Our form hasn’t been great for a while now, if that doesn’t improve then we’ll be in a relegation scrap in future seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Have I got to listen to know what the eleven is? Go to 45:52 for Ian's XI. Two changes from today's team. Mine differs by one player and gets the 'oh dear' from Ian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: What I don’t get on OTIB is the number of posters who slag our players off as not good enough, but expect them to play much better than they actually rate them. How does that work? If you have the right grounds to sack them, you don’t pay up their contract. Obviously have to find the right grounds. Kicking a cat would be grounds to sack / dismiss. Yeah I appreciate that but you can’t sack someone and not pay up their contract for a perceived lack of effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I see he was asked to pick his team….but couldn’t resist changing the agenda to transfers. And then having had a go at Neil for “ifs” last week, he does the same, talks about “ifs”. I have no probs with Ian’s team…but you should’ve told him to eff off when you gave yours. No need to be rude is there? I’m surprised that Vyner gets in his team though. I agree @NcnsBcfc, back 4 seems to be abandoned in the thinking. Ultimately with the injuries we have, we have imbalances in the squad, and I think until you see a couple come back, you are always gonna be picking a side with compromises…and hopefully papering over cracks. There is no magic eleven nor system, least of all when there are inconsistent performances from all players, and at different times. Id like to think that Joe Williams, having had 5 sub appearances on the trot is able to start with 6 days in between games. 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Yeah I appreciate that but you can’t sack someone and not pay up their contract for a perceived lack of effort Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Not as good as the last one from an audio perspective; would be good if people had their mobiles on silent, throughout this one someone’s kept vibrating which was off putting. Content wise though it was very good, I even had to rewind one moment as I found myself agreeing with Ian Gay regarding getting rid of players! Must be the first time that’s happened! Thanks for the episode @headhunter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 11 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Yeah I appreciate that but you can’t sack someone and not pay up their contract for a perceived lack of effort If we had a poll on here after every game , pretty soon we’d have no players !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just listened. As usual Ian is just completely making stuff up “before joining us Joe Williams was booked 16 times & only played 30 games” he actually was booked 14 times & played 40. So much contradictory nonsense from him, the stuff about “not trusting Pearson with money” because of his signings, so as that’s only Atkinson & Tanner, there was no comeback at all on this ridiculous comment. Worth seeing if his prediction that “no one under contract leaves this summer” turns out to be true, as I posted yesterday the disparity in wages between the Bakinson’s & Moore’s of this world to Palmer & Wells suggests it’s utter nonsense & let’s be honest, it’s just a guess by him, anyway. Hilarious too that to reduce Pearson’s win rate further they are now suggesting looking to exclude not only Boro but any game that Fleming was in the dugout if Pearson was ill. Who do they think picked that team? SL? Neil good again but the sound was awful at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Can you smash the phone that is on vibrate? Every week this happens. Ian with his usual agenda and sound bites supported by selected questionable stats to support his hot air. Close to switching off now to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Have stopped listening to it now, just can’t listen to it with Ian on there. If he isn’t on will listen to it but if he is you’ve lost me listening. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted February 14, 2022 Author Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 hours ago, One Team said: Not as good as the last one from an audio perspective; would be good if people had their mobiles on silent, throughout this one someone’s kept vibrating which was off putting. Content wise though it was very good, I even had to rewind one moment as I found myself agreeing with Ian Gay regarding getting rid of players! Must be the first time that’s happened! Thanks for the episode @headhunter. 32 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Have stopped listening to it now, just can’t listen to it with Ian on there. If he isn’t on will listen to it but if he is you’ve lost me listening. Just shows this is all about opinions. Would someone enlighten me as to what you think Ian's agenda is please then I can chastise him accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Just listened. As usual Ian is just completely making stuff up “before joining us Joe Williams was booked 16 times & only played 30 games” he actually was booked 14 times & played 40. So much contradictory nonsense from him, the stuff about “not trusting Pearson with money” because of his signings, so as that’s only Atkinson & Tanner, there was no comeback at all on this ridiculous comment. Worth seeing if his prediction that “no one under contract leaves this summer” turns out to be true, as I posted yesterday the disparity in wages between the Bakinson’s & Moore’s of this world to Palmer & Wells suggests it’s utter nonsense & let’s be honest, it’s just a guess by him, anyway. Hilarious too that to reduce Pearson’s win rate further they are now suggesting looking to exclude not only Boro but any game that Fleming was in the dugout if Pearson was ill. Who do they think picked that team? SL? Neil good again but the sound was awful at times. Thanks @GrahamC. The sound on podbeam just keeps dropping out all the time. A bit of a nightmare, when trying to do the podcast on my mobile. Couldn't hear some of the questions/points made at times. But I think I blagged it ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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