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Just now, Simon bristol said:

And if we could he seems to be in the same situation as bakinson,, bombed out regardless of what our situation is.

Think he is, my understanding is that Pearson told him pre season he didn’t think he was good enough & needed to go elsewhere, which to be fair to him, he has.

Not sure his loan has gone that well though, fair few Hearts fans don’t rate him at all.

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Moore is a strange one, because he has the potential to be an ok defender at this level. Will never be great, but there are far worse than him around.

The fact that he is now playing under his third manager/coach here and none of them have seen him as the answer to the problem at either centre or right back, surely speaks volumes.

Credit to him for taking a cut in his wages to prove that he was good enough, but when you're behind Vyner in the pecking order, it doesn't bode well for you.

Another one that wouldn't surprise me if we saw him going to Suffolk in the summer.

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36 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Real shame he hasn’t delivered on his potential, thought he looked quality in his first couple appearances for City. Not sure where he’ll end up now, bottom end of league one?

For me he falls into the category with a few others…. Does he really want it?

Bakinson, O’Dowda and Moore fit that category for me. May come across harsh but it seems there’s no life in them, get up and go…

Outside looking in they just seem happy to poodle along. Not something Nige will want.

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

As we know he’s on loan at Hearts and currently third behind the Old Firm in the SPL.

Anyone know the details of the loan agreement? 

Given our defensive frailties is it worth recalling him if possible?

On the basis that he was recently trying to find work in Edinburgh for his partner, it is pretty clear we won't see him in a City shirt again

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57 minutes ago, Taz said:

Moore is a strange one, because he has the potential to be an ok defender at this level. Will never be great, but there are far worse than him around.

The fact that he is now playing under his third manager/coach here and none of them have seen him as the answer to the problem at either centre or right back, surely speaks volumes.

Credit to him for taking a cut in his wages to prove that he was good enough, but when you're behind Vyner in the pecking order, it doesn't bode well for you.

Another one that wouldn't surprise me if we saw him going to Suffolk in the summer.

I agree, he looked good in that season when LJ suddenly sent him out on loan. But for whatever reason his career hasn’t taken off and I can’t envisage seeing him play for City again. 

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

As we know he’s on loan at Hearts and currently third behind the Old Firm in the SPL.

Anyone know the details of the loan agreement? 

Given our defensive frailties is it worth recalling him if possible?


You can find the details of the loan agreement on the Heart of Midlothian Offical Site ?

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/taylor-moore-signs-on-loan

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For me TM is similar to several young players listed on this thread, finds it hard to cope with fans getting on his back which in turn loses confidence and becomes more mistake prone as over thinking / worrying about situations.

In this digital social media age, it must be near impossible to avoid the negativity, even more so once you become the scapegoat and others jump on the bandwagon to ramp up the volume of faceless insults. Things have changed massively for players, from a few boo's only on match day to now 24/7 digital criticism.

 

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13 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Moore is a gifted player who can’t concentrate for 90 minutes. He’s guaranteed to make one (on a good day) faux pas and on a bad day make several 

And decision making is the biggest difference in players levels they play. I think he’s 24 now . He’ll end up in league 1-2 . He’ll have a decent career because most of us would of loved to play at that level. Zak is similar imo . The first goal Sunday sums  that up . 

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22 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

1st October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Moore. 

2nd October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Vyner. 

A glowing endorsement of Holden’s management. What a legacy. ?‍♂️ 

Agreed. Only place Taylor Moore should be going is somewhere other than back here. 

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We keep rehashing conversations about Taylor Moore. From interviews sounds like a very nice chap, that aside hes not good enough and I can't remember many games he was good. Not sure why so many fans seemed to rate him. Think it was the history of playing for England youth and Lens academy. We got our pants pulled down by Lens and hopefully we can shift him off the wage bill in the summer. Then again I also hope we do that with Vyner too.

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5 hours ago, Taz said:

Moore is a strange one, because he has the potential to be an ok defender at this level. Will never be great, but there are far worse than him around.

The fact that he is now playing under his third manager/coach here and none of them have seen him as the answer to the problem at either centre or right back, surely speaks volumes.

Credit to him for taking a cut in his wages to prove that he was good enough, but when you're behind Vyner in the pecking order, it doesn't bode well for you.

Another one that wouldn't surprise me if we saw him going to Suffolk in the summer.

As Fordy points out he’s had a lucrative contract extension since then!

3 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

1st October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Moore. 

2nd October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Vyner. 

A glowing endorsement of Holden’s management. What a legacy. ?‍♂️ 

 

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7 hours ago, Robbored said:

As we know he’s on loan at Hearts and currently third behind the Old Firm in the SPL.

Anyone know the details of the loan agreement? 

Given our defensive frailties is it worth recalling him if possible?

Id be gutted if we ever seen him in a city shirt again.

The few games I’ve seen on sky of hearts he’s been very suspect too. 

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5 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Can she play centre back 

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/195351-taylor-moore/page/5/
They really can’t stand him 

I’m sorry I can’t agree with the criticism on their forum.

 

 

 

 

 

One poster said he has “ a shite haircut”.  I think it’s rather smart 

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I still say he's been unlucky here, every time he's started to looked good, he's been moved. Had a run at RCB and started to play well, twice he's been pushed to the left side and looked lost. Not only that , he seemed to lose confidence and form. 
That said, at that standard he should be looking comfortable. Those Tweets don't look good, though I thought he had started well up there. 

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6 hours ago, Lew-T said:

For me he falls into the category with a few others…. Does he really want it?

Bakinson, O’Dowda and Moore fit that category for me. May come across harsh but it seems there’s no life in them, get up and go…

Outside looking in they just seem happy to poodle along. Not something Nige will want.

Yes I think you have something there. They just come across as being nice and thinking a little bit of ability is enough. 
 

Odowda was feted as a prodigy at Oxford but has shown very little consistently here. The same could be said of Bakinson and Moore. 
 

I suppose they can be added to the waste of Mr Lansdowns money list along with so many of the LJ MA era!

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2 hours ago, Street red said:

For me Nigel Pearson is making the right decision on players and he's spot on with this one,The lad cost 1 million quid another player for the future nonsense he definitely won't be at city next season.

I sincerely hope you're right but why do you think he won't be at City next season?

He's under contract and I can't think of a single club who'd want him, not at the level he'd be interested in playing at anyway.

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1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

Yes I think you have something there. They just come across as being nice and thinking a little bit of ability is enough. 
 

Odowda was feted as a prodigy at Oxford but has shown very little consistently here. The same could be said of Bakinson and Moore. 
 

I suppose they can be added to the waste of Mr Lansdowns money list along with so many of the LJ MA era!

I don’t think it’s limited to that era……some of the DM signings spring to mind straight away. And there’s one or two questionable decisions from the current era already! 

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9 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

And if we could he seems to be in the same situation as bakinson,, bombed out regardless of what our situation is.

The main reason being that, nice bloke that he is, he's nowhere near consistent Championship standard. Did you watch him last week? He put in a performance that makes Vyner look like Beckenbauer.......

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Nice lad, good attitude, decent technique, full of potential but... weak, passive, error prone and has failed to "train on".

Who am I referring to?

Answer - too many of them but certainly Moore, Vyner and O'Dowda. 

Please do the decent thing, put us all out of our misery,  and retire to the library with the service revolver. 

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2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Nice lad, good attitude, decent technique, full of potential but... weak, passive, error prone and has failed to "train on".

Who am I referring to?

Answer - too many of them but certainly Moore, Vyner and O'Dowda. 

Please do the decent thing, put us all out of our misery,  and retire to the library with the service revolver. 

That's somewhere near £15K per week of wages there.............................

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1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I sincerely hope you're right but why do you think he won't be at City next season?

He's under contract and I can't think of a single club who'd want him, not at the level he'd be interested in playing at anyway.

I don't think we will be short of clubs coming in for him and him playing for city next season I can't see happening I would be very very surprised if he does one player we can get a transfer fee for as well.

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Just now, Street red said:

I suppose any fee would be better than nothing because I have faith in nige to replace him for better, But if we get that it's one hell of a loss .

The positive for me is the last remnants of the previous staff's recruitment policy is slowly but surely disappearing.

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

That's somewhere near £15K per week of wages there.............................

More like £25k p.w!!!

1 hour ago, Street red said:

Honestly thought it was a 1 million figure but yeah your right 1.5 ,Do you think we would get anything near that for him in the summer? 

Categorically…no!

Likely to be a small fee up to £250k, and strong possibility we might have to pay some of his wages for his final year too.  His book value is about £80k….so anything less than that is a FFP loss!  I reckon he’s on £10k p.w. ???

 

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3 hours ago, italian dave said:

I don’t think it’s limited to that era……some of the DM signings spring to mind straight away. And there’s one or two questionable decisions from the current era already! 

Yes Derek McIness is a subject I leave alone. Suffice to say from my perspective he couldn’t pick his nose let alone a footballer. 
 

However the money spent by LJ/MA on dross far outweighs anything the the current or McIness regimes could possibly dream of having access to!

As far as the current regime is concerned Atkinson and Tanner are injured, King and James are almost always in the treatment room and Baker is 50/50 finished. I’m not prepared to get too critical of the current management over injuries. The obvious one is Simpson…who cost nothing except a wage.  It’s not really any comparison with LJ/MA! 
 

 

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10 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

1st October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Moore. 

2nd October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Vyner. 

A glowing endorsement of Holden’s management. What a legacy. ?‍♂️ 

Christ, I assumed (and hoped) Moore was in his final year. What an absolute mess.

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From my understanding there are two conflicting opinions among Hearts fans… and a unifying one.

Opinion 1: He’s terrible

Opinion 2: Give him a break, he’s being played in every position imaginable and he’s done ok at all of them.

Opinion 3: Everyone agrees that he’s not worth his wages of $7500 per week (their figure, not mine)

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18 hours ago, phantom said:

On the basis that he was recently trying to find work in Edinburgh for his partner, it is pretty clear we won't see him in a City shirt again

Sounds like he may want to hang fire on finding work for his partner in Edinburgh at the moment unless it's short term.

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7 hours ago, SydneyCity said:

From my understanding there are two conflicting opinions among Hearts fans… and a unifying one.

Opinion 1: He’s terrible

Opinion 2: Give him a break, he’s being played in every position imaginable and he’s done ok at all of them.

Opinion 3: Everyone agrees that he’s not worth his wages of $7500 per week (their figure, not mine)

Are the 7,500 paid in Scottish dollars??......?

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10 hours ago, REDOXO said:

Yes Derek McIness is a subject I leave alone. Suffice to say from my perspective he couldn’t pick his nose let alone a footballer. 
 

However the money spent by LJ/MA on dross far outweighs anything the the current or McIness regimes could possibly dream of having access to!

As far as the current regime is concerned Atkinson and Tanner are injured, King and James are almost always in the treatment room and Baker is 50/50 finished. I’m not prepared to get too critical of the current management over injuries. The obvious one is Simpson…who cost nothing except a wage.  It’s not really any comparison with LJ/MA! 
 

 

You do know mark Ashton was recruitment consultant when mciines was in charge ? 

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20 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

1st October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Moore. 

2nd October 2020 - 3 year extension (+12 month option) for Vyner. 

A glowing endorsement of Holden’s management. What a legacy. ?‍♂️ 

Ah, but what you're forgetting is that by renewing Vyner's contract, it allows the media team to create 10 posts on the Twitter feed about "one of our own" and a snazzy video. 

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3 hours ago, weepywall said:

Sounds like he may want to hang fire on finding work for his partner in Edinburgh at the moment unless it's short term.

Suppose it depends whether he thinks his future is in the Scottish Premier, even if not with Hearts?

One thing you can certainly say about him is that he’s prepared to go on loan, he has had 5 since joining us & gone to clubs in different parts of England as well as Scotland.

My hunch is we will settle up his contract this summer (reckoning on getting a fee for him seems wildly optimistic to me), so maybe he’ll end up at a Dundee or St. Johnstone type club?

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12 minutes ago, where's the joy said:

I saw Taylor Moore early on in his city career playing like Bobby Moore at Fulham in a cup tie, and he looked great until he trod on the ball and gave away a penalty.

Always a mistake in him, but still think he is a better player then Vyner who seems to have several mistakes in him

Both seem to have issues with confidence in my opinion. They both seem like nice guys, so would be great to see them flourish - I am just not convinced either are good enough to persevere with. 

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9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Both seem to have issues with confidence in my opinion. They both seem like nice guys, so would be great to see them flourish - I am just not convinced either are good enough to persevere with. 

With Moore I’m pretty confident that conversation has already taken place.

Think NP saw Vyner as a useful, versatile squad player for this season & he started it at RB, but he moved on to Tanner there pretty quickly.

Despite the outcry on here, his games at CB have been inconsistent, with some good, some poor, but it looks likely he’s at the last chance saloon at best now.

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42 minutes ago, where's the joy said:

I saw Taylor Moore early on in his city career playing like Bobby Moore at Fulham in a cup tie, and he looked great until he trod on the ball and gave away a penalty.

Always a mistake in him, but still think he is a better player then Vyner who seems to have several mistakes in him

I think with both it's mainly a confidence thing - with a need to be cajoled/boosted & played in their preferred position..not something that Nigel would be too sensitive with!

If we were to persevere with one of them I'd rather it was Moore - if only he could find some edge!..

In all likelihood when 'opportunity knocks for Nigel both will be upgraded.

 

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My guess he will be offered to Heats to sign  or will come back to us. If no one comes in with an offer and he is still under contract to us. Nigel should play him at center half in all pre season games. If he is still not a fan he will be sent out on loan again. I hope he comes back and you can all eat humble pie.

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On 16/02/2022 at 10:02, Robbored said:

As we know he’s on loan at Hearts and currently third behind the Old Firm in the SPL.

Anyone know the details of the loan agreement? 

Given our defensive frailties is it worth recalling him if possible?

He had a really promising start the 19/20 season under LJ and i think many of us myself included thought he was really going to kick on from there..

Sadly that wasn’t the case and he just stagnated and gradually got worse, mistakes crept into his game and his confidence was shot.

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