Davefevs Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 hours ago, VT05763 said: Nice, so when does a players stats become "live". How many games, minutes etc. Who decides ? Is it subjective or is there a rule ? 12 starts not enough then ? With him starting conceded 20 =1.66 per game Without conceded 24 = 1.14 per game That is a larger enough sample size IMO. Why are you asking me? They can be whatever you want them to be, as long as you call out your method / caveats. Others can use different methods, or call out / challenge. Remember I never said anything stats becoming live or not, removing stats, etc….I purely made a comment that King’s are skewed by the Fulham game. I never made any qualification as to whether that was good or bad. For info my pic above (re City) is goals scored and conceded whilst they are on the pitch. That’s a decision by FBRef, the suppliers of the data in this case. I merely put them in a table and sorted them in order to provide something that is easy to view I don’t drop any data in any of my databases. I extract every player who’s played 1 minute this season. If you want to use your own method, based on games started, or whatever other method, fine, fill your boots. Maybe @The Swan and Cemeteryis interested in your results and any conclusions you reach? Any more questions? Happy to keep answering! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 hours ago, downendcity said: They get “it’s a game of 2 halves “ correct - how much numeracy do you expect of them? Yet they demand 110% effort at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 23 hours ago, BasSavage88 said: I still don't think he's right for us whilst there are some improvements there's also alot of worrying steps back Yeah im inclined to agree. I dont really see how suddenly in august our defence will be fixed and we might get to see some consecutive wins. We just arent set up to stop crosses coming in and stop goals going in. For that tough a character, discipline in defence should be the pre requisite of everything he stands for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Yeah im inclined to agree. I dont really see how suddenly in august our defence will be fixed and we might get to see some consecutive wins. We just arent set up to stop crosses coming in and stop goals going in. For that tough a character, discipline in defence should be the pre requisite of everything he stands for. Unfortunately he’s not the one who takes to the field. You can see why he really liked Baker, and why he was keen to show his praise for Atkinson’s ability to put his foot through the ball in early season interviews (pre-injury). I imagine he saw a little bit of himself in them. Not all managers replicate their own playing style in the teams they manage. Would you go back to a duller style of football for a better defence, e.g. would you take 3 dull nil-nils over a 4-2 win and two 3-1 defeats that were a bit more end-to-end. Ignore the goal difference for the sake of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 52 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Unfortunately he’s not the one who takes to the field. You can see why he really liked Baker, and why he was keen to show his praise for Atkinson’s ability to put his foot through the ball in early season interviews (pre-injury). I imagine he saw a little bit of himself in them. Not all managers replicate their own playing style in the teams they manage. Would you go back to a duller style of football for a better defence, e.g. would you take 3 dull nil-nils over a 4-2 win and two 3-1 defeats that were a bit more end-to-end. Ignore the goal difference for the sake of the question. I’ve always gone to AG to be entertained but as we all know that doesn’t always happen regardless of who the manager is. Some managers like Jordan, Ward and DW liked to play attacking front foot football whereas SoD and both Johnson’s served the dullest football I’ve ever seen at AG. I believe that when Nige has a fully squad to select from that we’ll see some entertaining stuff once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: Why are you asking me? They can be whatever you want them to be, as long as you call out your method / caveats. Others can use different methods, or call out / challenge. Remember I never said anything stats becoming live or not, removing stats, etc….I purely made a comment that King’s are skewed by the Fulham game. I never made any qualification as to whether that was good or bad. For info my pic above (re City) is goals scored and conceded whilst they are on the pitch. That’s a decision by FBRef, the suppliers of the data in this case. I merely put them in a table and sorted them in order to provide something that is easy to view I don’t drop any data in any of my databases. I extract every player who’s played 1 minute this season. If you want to use your own method, based on games started, or whatever other method, fine, fill your boots. Maybe @The Swan and Cemeteryis interested in your results and any conclusions you reach? Any more questions? Happy to keep answering! Thanks for confirming, got there in the end. it is why "stats" and spreadsheets can never be relied on in the real world. Boris saying crime rate had dropped because he conveniently ruled out fraud as a "real" crime is a perfect example Bristol City have conceded more goals without Andy King in the side if you remove the "skewed" Fulham loss. Always believe your eyes on the training ground and pitch. This is actually what NP has reinstated at City, got rid of much of the stat nonsense. He didn't sign Simpson, James and King based on their "numbers" for instance. Edited February 28, 2022 by VT05763 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 26/02/2022 at 21:21, VT05763 said: He did, that is all that matters, surely ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 9 hours ago, Robbored said: I’ve always gone to AG to be entertained but as we all know that doesn’t always happen regardless of who the manager is. Some managers like Jordan, Ward and DW liked to play attacking front foot football whereas SoD and both Johnson’s served the dullest football I’ve ever seen at AG. I believe that when Nige has a fully squad to select from that we’ll see some entertaining stuff once again. What is a full squad to pick from under this current climate. If you know the answer please tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, City oz said: What is a full squad to pick from under this current climate. If you know the answer please tell A strange question Oz…………….. Under the current circumstances Nige continues to have experienced players missing so remains unable to select his strongest team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: A strange question Oz…………….. Under the current circumstances Nige continues to have experienced players missing so remains unable to select his strongest team. Not sure though if Nige knows him self what the real team should be if all players fit. He has tried many combinations but the inconsistency seems to be more of a word lately being splashed around rather than performing. There seems that some players do not to have the commitment that they should week in and week out. Not sure if that is because of injuries or something else going on behind the curtain we are not aware of. The team over all did try hard at Forest but at the end of the day we were second fiddle to a Forest team that are playing OK but not top six potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 16 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Median can also better when dealing with something like goals scored per game. Where the mean will produce a fractional value, but the data you're discussing comes only in integers. Eg our mean goals scored per game is 1.32, but the median (and mode) is 1. Likewise goals against is 1.79, but the median (and mode) is 2. So in both cases, although rounding to the nearest integer helps, the "average" when including the fraction, makes it all look better than it really is in real world speak. On some of the other points, small number bias is a huge issue in football stats that you need to bear in mind all the time. Quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, VT05763 said: Thanks for confirming, got there in the end. it is why "stats" and spreadsheets can never be relied on in the real world. Boris saying crime rate had dropped because he conveniently ruled out fraud as a "real" crime is a perfect example Bristol City have conceded more goals without Andy King in the side if you remove the "skewed" Fulham loss. Always believe your eyes on the training ground and pitch. This is actually what NP has reinstated at City, got rid of much of the stat nonsense. He didn't sign Simpson, James and King based on their "numbers" for instance. Got where in the end? You seem to be debating with yourself and raising points of debate that nobody is making, to continue a debate with yourself? Not sure why you’re trolling my posts? Feel free to take into DMs if you like, would save clogging up this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Got where in the end? You seem to be debating with yourself and raising points of debate that nobody is making, to continue a debate with yourself? Not sure why you’re trolling my posts? Feel free to take into DMs if you like, would save clogging up this thread. Too busy sellotaping together his season ticket ..... A prinny fit so to speak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: Got where in the end? You seem to be debating with yourself and raising points of debate that nobody is making, to continue a debate with yourself? I have now read this paragraph several times, and am still laughing. Oscar Wilde would have been proud of such a post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I have now read this paragraph several times, and am still laughing. Oscar Wilde would have been proud of such a post. I’ll have to take your word for that….”Kids in America” was good though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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