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1 hour ago, Daniro said:

The whole Simpson saga is a mystery.   How many minutes did he play in total?    In a position where we have been so vulnerable, it's strange how few games he got.  What was the point?

He played 499 minutes for us in all: five starts, two sub apps; 18 times on the bench.

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ooooh, was waiting for this thread, and it’s not disappointed me.

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Do you possibly have a "merits of playing an under 18's CF at RWB versus an experienced ex Prem legit RB who we are paying to sit at home and play FIFA", spreadsheet ?

 

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2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Haven't you heard? James had a bad game on Saturday so the brains trust on here have therefore decreed that he's a shit crock who's only here because he's Pearson's mate.

Yes, he's had his injury problems in the past. But was solid last season for teams in this division; and has certainly been probably a 6/10 for me this season so far.

It's just he looked off the pace on Saturday, and a bit rusty. Certainly not the time to play him as a sweeper. I was surprised we didn't play Williams in that role. James for me, hasn't got that bite your legs mentally that Williams has.

At the start of the season a James/Williams centre midfield must surely on paper be our first choice partnership?

 

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2 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

He played 499 minutes for us in all: five starts, two sub apps; 18 times on the bench.

25 bonus related appearances according to those in the know then...?

Those 18 appearances on the bench, when everybody knew he wasn't coming on were just bizarre...

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1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

How much money has been wasted on shit old players ? 
 

Simpson, King, Mariappa, Brunt, Williams, O’Neill.  Anyone else?  
 

At least £2m on those lot. 

Simpson was on a tiny wage and the noise around him was more of an issue.

King to be fair was decent but has been injured the same with O'Neil.

Brunt waste of money.

Marriappa I thought was decent and did a good job with decent availability.

Williams (Joe) is only 25 and minus being crocked he would have been a great signature. 

It's not the quality its more their availability for some of these. 

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40 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Not sure where the "he was a model professional brought in to sort out the dressing room and to be a role model for the youngsters" has come from ?

Convenient excuse but not necessarily true.

 

 

As I mentioned in my post, was just me guessing. Managers regularly bring in players they’ve previously worked with that they know they can trust, however expect most will play a bit more than Simpson did.

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5 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Yes, he's had his injury problems in the past. But was solid last season for teams in this division; and has certainly been probably a 6/10 for me this season so far.

It's just he looked off the pace on Saturday, and a bit rusty. Certainly not the time to play him as a sweeper. I was surprised we didn't play Williams in that role. James for me, hasn't got that bite your legs mentally that Williams has.

At the start of the season a James/Williams centre midfield must surely on paper be our first choice partnership?

 

Poor mans Marlon Pack so far but has played injured most of his time here, so still hope ?

But a Williams/James midfield duo in this division is not an option for me.

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Just now, NcnsBcfc said:

25 bonus related appearances according to those in the know then...?

I don’t have the issue with this that you appear to have.

At the start of the season with Vyner the first choice RB it seemed logical to me to have his experienced deputy on the bench.

He then got a couple of starts (I actually thought he was decent in the win at Reading) but dropped out of the side pretty sharpish afterwards.

He was on the bench on merit, not as part of some old pals act but his error at WBA plus the realisation he was past it saw him disappear from the first team squad by October, save the Luton game when we don’t seem to have had anyone else.

With 7 subs it is pretty easy to hide someone there, if NP was intent on doing so to help him out then he could have kept doing this for far longer, surely?

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9 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Yes, he's had his injury problems in the past. But was solid last season for teams in this division; and has certainly been probably a 6/10 for me this season so far.

It's just he looked off the pace on Saturday, and a bit rusty. Certainly not the time to play him as a sweeper. I was surprised we didn't play Williams in that role. James for me, hasn't got that bite your legs mentally that Williams has.

At the start of the season a James/Williams centre midfield must surely on paper be our first choice partnership?

 

We saw on Saturday why this '1st choice' thing is futile. Both are half fit and injury prone. No point planning for them as 1st choice. Statistically got about a 5% chance of playing together. Concentrate on the 95% when at least one of them isn't available.

 Massengo and Scott are our best partnership. They play together. What we saw on Saturday was a disgraceful hand wringing from experienced pros Williiams, Kalas, James, Weimann.  No one sorted the problem down the right.  I hope they were told so by the manager.

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10 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Do you possibly have a "merits of playing an under 18's CF at RWB versus an experienced ex Prem legit RB who we are paying to sit at home and play FIFA", spreadsheet ?

 

 But then if he'd played and been unfit or got turned too often there would be those moaning about playing a past it old boy who's blocking the minutes of an academy player. From what I've heard he was brought in to help off the pitch and give Pearson a better idea about the culture in the dressing room. He's probably done that job so isn't needed anymore. 

He's been a disappointment, but no more so than any of the other old players we've thrown far more money at in recent years.

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t have the issue with this that you appear to have.

At the start of the season with Vyner the first choice RB it seemed logical to me to have his experienced deputy on the bench.

He then got a couple of starts (I actually thought he was decent in the win at Reading) but dropped out of the side pretty sharpish afterwards.

He was on the bench on merit, not as part of some old pals act but his error at WBA plus the realisation he was past it saw him disappear from the first team squad by October, save the Luton game when we don’t seem to have had anyone else.

With 7 subs it is pretty easy to hide someone there, if NP was intent on doing so to help him out then he could have kept doing this for far longer, surely?

if NP was intent on doing so to help him out then he could have kept doing this for far longer, surely? - Not after Saturday I would argue.

I think there is more to come from this story, there could be other reasons that Simpson hasn't been around, off the field for instance, we don't know but in pure footballing terms this whole episode makes no sense what so ever. It may well be that he hasn't in fact been available for selection ?

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9 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

Simpson was on a tiny wage and the noise around him was more of an issue.

King to be fair was decent but has been injured the same with O'Neil.

Brunt waste of money.

Marriappa I thought was decent and did a good job with decent availability.

Williams (Joe) is only 25 and minus being crocked he would have been a great signature. 

It's not the quality its more their availability for some of these. 

I think he means Ashley Williams, or at least I hope so.

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1 minute ago, The Bard said:

We saw on Saturday why this '1st choice' thing is futile. Both are half fit and injury prone. No point planning for them as 1st choice. Statistically got about a 5% chance of playing together. Concentrate on the 95% when at least one of them isn't available.

 Massengo and Scott are our best partnership. They play together. What we saw on Saturday was a disgraceful hand wringing from experienced pros Williiams, Kalas, James, Weimann.  No one sorted the problem down the right.  I hope they were told so by the manager.

Agree with this, basically plan for one to be available and in the side at any one time.

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19 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

From what you've learnt about Pearson in the last 12 months, do you think he's the sort of manager who signs players for no other reason than he's their mate?

In fact, do you seriously think Pearson is "mates" with anyone he's managed, past or present??

Your post is either badly worded, you've an agenda or you're thick as shit. I'm betting on all 3. 

Oh yeah because all 3 were injury free before they signed for us, legs gone but he still signed them!

I'd hazard a guess that it's you whose thick as shit, or you just accept mediocre crap

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2 minutes ago, KegCity said:

 But then if he'd played and been unfit or got turned too often there would be those moaning about playing a past it old boy who's blocking the minutes of an academy player. From what I've heard he was brought in to help off the pitch and give Pearson a better idea about the culture in the dressing room. He's probably done that job so isn't needed anymore. 

He's been a disappointment, but no more so than any of the other old players we've thrown far more money at in recent years.

I wouldn't have moaned if the option was a an under 18 CF playing there, if you are going down that route at least play James Taylor who is actually right back.

Agreed we have wasted far more on others.

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6 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

I wouldn't have moaned if the option was a an under 18 CF playing there, if you are going down that route at least play James Taylor who is actually right back.

Agreed we have wasted far more on others.

Taylor hasn’t even been playing RB for the 23’s for the majority of the time, shifting in to play on the right hand side of a back 3, if he was under any sort of consideration for the first team he’d have been playing wing back. 

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4 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Taylor hasn’t even been playing RB for the 23’s for the majority of the time, shifting in to play on the right hand side of a back 3, if he was under any sort of consideration for the first team he’d have been playing wing back. 

Yes, he is a right sided defender who can play RB or RWB and is not a Centre Forward.

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28 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

The signing clearly didn't work out, but I'm slightly confused why people are quite so vitriolic about this one in particular?

We signed someone on a short term contract with good football pedigree - three promotions wasn't it... He played a bit, but seems to now be past it.

What's the huge deal exactly?

I think it's the concept of financially we seem to not be in the position to sign any players on loan or otherwise.

We have this experienced player on the bench, who NP would rather play a 19 year old striker in that position instead; as well as countless other players.

If we were going to have a mutual parting of the ways, then surely January would have been a much better time for the club; to allow them potentially to explore other options.

The reaction to Simpson is more an outpouring of the fan's frustrations over the season; and the decisions being made. Any other year, then absolutely Simpson leaving would have been a footnote.

Now it is seen as an event to galvanise people's feelings over.

For what it's worth, the decision to send £1.6m on a L1 CB; when you know you have failings in other areas; now also seems somewhat of a mistake. Compounded of course by the further signing 300k signing of a L2 RB. I know they are signings for the future, but in hindsight were they signings we should have been making with the overall squad so unbalanced?

I know we've been unfortunate with their respective injuries. But little did we realise at the start of the season how that money could have been spent across the board.

Almost as if it would have been better to keep our budget intact; and see how the season pans out. Before possibly making some additions either short or longer term in the Jan window.

Anyhow that is, as I said above Hindsight is a wonderful thing......

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19 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I think he means Ashley Williams, or at least I hope so.

See even Ashley Williams wasn't that bad, he filled a gap where we had a problem with injuries and for the most part did a decent job over stayed but he was handy.  I think seasoned pro's can if they have the right mindset do a decent job for a football club, especially when you have a lot of youth in the side. 

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26 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I don’t have the issue with this that you appear to have.

At the start of the season with Vyner the first choice RB it seemed logical to me to have his experienced deputy on the bench.

He then got a couple of starts (I actually thought he was decent in the win at Reading) but dropped out of the side pretty sharpish afterwards.

He was on the bench on merit, not as part of some old pals act but his error at WBA plus the realisation he was past it saw him disappear from the first team squad by October, save the Luton game when we don’t seem to have had anyone else.

With 7 subs it is pretty easy to hide someone there, if NP was intent on doing so to help him out then he could have kept doing this for far longer, surely?

My only issue with this, is the people that are saying he was only on "hundreds"; and that he was on a "sizeable bonus" for being involved in matchday squads.

I of course treat that with a pinch of salt (as per earlier posts), but the fact is his last appearance on the bench was against Luton (a) on 25th Jan. Prior to that he hadn't made the bench for the previous 7 games.

If we were looking at a parting of the ways, then surely we could have done something in January; and at least given ourselves some other potential options in that position of the pitch.

You know how fixated I've been about our full back positions for the last few seasons. We've just been poor from both a defensive & offensive point of view for a number of seasons. With no manager able to grasp the need for change/upgrade in those positions.

As an aside, has any defender (other than Baker, and Tanner) actually scored for us this season?

Really is a paltry return from Corners, and set pieces isn't it.

@Davefevs I'm guessing we must be at the bottom of any stat table with regard to defensive player's offensive stats? Either goals or assists?

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16 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Yes, he is a right sided defender who can play RB or RWB and is not a Centre Forward.

And yet even with the former u23’s head coach as part of Nige’s coaching staff he’s not under consideration, says enough as to why he’s not playing. 

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1 minute ago, cityfan1958 said:

I know it’s not very exciting, and the conspiracy theories are far more sexy, but is this more likely to be that Simpson has a job offer, inside or outside football, that takes him  behind this summer, and the club have allowed him to leave to take it up ?

Could well be right. Hopefully.

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19 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Taylor hasn’t even been playing RB for the 23’s for the majority of the time, shifting in to play on the right hand side of a back 3, if he was under any sort of consideration for the first team he’d have been playing wing back. 

It’s also quite possible (highly likely) that the manager views the 19 year old “forward” to be a better option at RB at first team level than the current 20 year old right sided defender in the u23s.

If James Taylor was at the necessary level he’d be part of the first team training group by now.  It’s quite telling that Sam Bell I’d preferred there. 

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1 minute ago, Lrrr said:

And yet even with the former u23’s head coach as part of Nige’s coaching staff he’s not under consideration, says enough as to why he’s not playing. 

Says a lot about our coaching staff that they thought it was acceptable to play an under 18 centre forward at RWB.

Damage done to the player, the team, all round confidence in the group.

Crazy at every level.

Undefendable on a player welfare and development level, let alone anything else. 

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s also quite possible (highly likely) that the manager views the 19 year old “forward” to be a better option at RB at first team level than the current 20 year old right sided defender in the u23s.

If James Taylor was at the necessary level he’d be part of the first team training group by now.  It’s quite telling that Sam Bell I’d preferred there. 

Why have you put forward in "" ? 

Almost like you're pretending he isn't.

Your first sentence is the whole problem here - Judgement

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Just now, VT05763 said:

Says a lot about our coaching staff that they thought it was acceptable to play an under 18 centre forward at RWB.

Damage done to the player, the team, all round confidence in the group.

Crazy at every level.

Undefendable on a player welfare and development level, let alone anything else. 

Firstly Bell isn’t an U18 he’s a second year pro, he’s played other positions than just centre forward so he’s not so inflexible that he can’t play other roles. 

No one can know how it affects the player apart from Sam Bell and certainly not someone outside the club. Sam could just be delighted he’s getting first team minutes, it’s impossible to know how it impacts him. 

You also can’t know how long Bell has perhaps been playing RB in training, could be he’s been doing it since before new year for all anyone outside the staff and players knows. 

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21 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

If we were going to have a mutual parting of the ways, then surely January would have been a much better time for the club; to allow them potentially to explore other options.

I get the impression this announcement had no impact / bearing on Jan window and Pearson / club have been trying to agree a mutual pay-off.  They’ve now reached an agreement.

It was a poor signing looking back. I totally saw the logic at the time, and even now I’m not gonna heavily criticise Pearson for trying to get us to this season in as cheap a way as possible.

As much as I don’t think DS is on a few hundred a week, he most definitely isn’t on £18k p.w either.  He was given new terms in the summer  

 

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1 minute ago, Lrrr said:

Firstly Bell isn’t an U18 he’s a second year pro, he’s played other positions than just centre forward so he’s not so inflexible that he can’t play other roles. 

No one can know how it affects the player apart from Sam Bell and certainly not someone outside the club. Sam could just be delighted he’s getting first team minutes, it’s impossible to know how it impacts him. 

You also can’t know how long Bell has perhaps been playing RB in training, could be he’s been doing it since before new year for all anyone outside the staff and players knows. 

All three paragraphs spot on. 

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s also quite possible (highly likely) that the manager views the 19 year old “forward” to be a better option at RB at first team level than the current 20 year old right sided defender in the u23s.

If James Taylor was at the necessary level he’d be part of the first team training group by now.  It’s quite telling that Sam Bell I’d preferred there. 

He did come from the loins of Micky after all.  

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1 hour ago, IAmNick said:

The signing clearly didn't work out, but I'm slightly confused why people are quite so vitriolic about this one in particular?

We signed someone on a short term contract with good football pedigree - three promotions wasn't it... He played a bit, but seems to now be past it.

What's the huge deal exactly?

Was going to post something similar. He was brought in as cover for RB and experience, it hasn’t worked out.

Move on. 

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4 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Firstly Bell isn’t an U18 he’s a second year pro, he’s played other positions than just centre forward so he’s not so inflexible that he can’t play other roles. 

No one can know how it affects the player apart from Sam Bell and certainly not someone outside the club. Sam could just be delighted he’s getting first team minutes, it’s impossible to know how it impacts him. 

You also can’t know how long Bell has perhaps been playing RB in training, could be he’s been doing it since before new year for all anyone outside the staff and players knows. 

Also players change positions all the time, especially when they're young. 

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1 minute ago, Lew-T said:

I often wonder if it’s the City fans that are the problem. We have some absolute whoppers following this football club.

Some of the stuff on here and Twitter is embarrassing.

We're not great when things aren't going well. The team deserved stick on Saturday but we collapse both on and off the field as soon as we hit a bit of adversity.

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Simpson getting a lot of slack however players like Palmer, Wells are on 20+ grand a week and don’t play, the whole recruitment at this club past couple seasons has been awful. We’ve needed a solid right back for years yet still haven’t got one. Even when we had money to spend.
Just something doesn’t seem right down there still. How is our squad so inconsistent compared to other teams in the league.

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16 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Says a lot about our coaching staff that they thought it was acceptable to play an under 18 centre forward at RWB.

Damage done to the player, the team, all round confidence in the group.

Crazy at every level.

Undefendable on a player welfare and development level, let alone anything else. 

Player welfare my arse.  How do you know he's been damaged. Just making shit up aren't you?

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1 hour ago, VT05763 said:

Klose I can see the sense and he has been decent (behind the scenes also)

But Simpson was a disaster and even the most rabid NP supporters can't defend that signing surely ?  

Nige signed him because he knew what Simpson would bring having worked with him at Leicester on and off the pitch. Unfortunately Simpson got injured and lost his place. He also had a number of personal issues behind the scenes and even when fit had slipped down the pecking order and had become surplus to requirements - no surprise to see him leave the club but I don’t consider his signing as a ‘disaster’ at all.

Im not defending Nige either - I’m just providing a balanced view…………..:cool2:

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4 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Nige signed him because he knew what Simpson would bring having worked with him at Leicester on and off the pitch.

This would be fine if it was recently but it was 6 years ago they last worked together

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13 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

Simpson getting a lot of slack however players like Palmer, Wells are on 20+ grand a week and don’t play, the whole recruitment at this club past couple seasons has been awful. We’ve needed a solid right back for years yet still haven’t got one. Even when we had money to spend.
Just something doesn’t seem right down there still. How is our squad so inconsistent compared to other teams in the league.

All stems back to the idea of "trading" and that every player is for sale. Means we're constantly trying to plug gaps in the squad rather than building towards an end team. All very well and good taking tens of millions of pounds in transfer fees every summer but when it's reinvested into players we have no intention in keeping long term we end up in a never-ending loop of having a half decent squad that never gets finished.

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33 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

Says a lot about our coaching staff that they thought it was acceptable to play an under 18 centre forward at RWB.

Damage done to the player, the team, all round confidence in the group.

Crazy at every level.

Undefendable on a player welfare and development level, let alone anything else. 

What a ridiculous post. Hasn’t Bell played at RWB for the U23’s?

It worked fine v Middlesbrough and Coventry. It didn’t work so well on Saturday. Bell was exposed and lost some confidence. It happens, he now has an opportunity to show some resilience, which will serve him well in his career.

Scott being exposed and taken off in the first half earlier in the season hasn’t harmed him.

Are you now an expert in player welfare and development as well?

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16 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

This would be fine if it was recently but it was 6 years ago they last worked together

It was Simpsons influence in the dressing room that appealed to Nige who would of course known that Simpson was way past his best. 
Same applies to James and King.

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2 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

Heard he was on a pittance in footballers wages terms & absolutely nowhere near the amount quoted on that dodgy website guessing at players wages. 

He wasn’t going to play, but was creating a bit of an issue with the fans wondering why we played all these others in his position over him, good business to terminate early I reckon. 

A friend of mine lives near him and said Simpson is on first name terms with the Deliveroo driver!

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2 hours ago, IAmNick said:

The signing clearly didn't work out, but I'm slightly confused why people are quite so vitriolic about this one in particular?

We signed someone on a short term contract with good football pedigree - three promotions wasn't it... He played a bit, but seems to now be past it.

What's the huge deal exactly?

Just feels like we have not the best record of signing "has beens" and it kinda reeked of it from the start that he was another. I find it hard to get excited when City sign "has beens" anymore. We'll probably sign another in the summer. 

That's how I feel about it anyways, not a huge deal but frustrating how often they don't work out well. 

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2 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

From someone who just said that Sam bell has played RWB and RB for the under 23's.

Absolute classic.

Wow, such a lack of self awareness. Even here where I may have made an error you are making things up.

 I didn’t mention that he had played at RB and thought he had played the odd game at RWB.
 

Before Saturday he had started 2 first team games at RWB/FB and would’ve been taken through this in training in the lead up to the games.

My point was really about your comments on player development, which you curiously have decided to ignore.

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Just now, HappyClapper said:

Wow, such a lack of self awareness. Even here where I may have made an error you are making things up.

 I didn’t mention that he had played at RB and thought he had played the odd game at RWB.
 

Before Saturday he had started 2 first team games at RWB/FB and would’ve been taken through this in training in the lead up to the games.

My point was really about your comments on player development, which you curiously have decided to ignore.

Ever done any coaching qualifications ?

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24 minutes ago, Robbored said:

It was Simpsons influence in the dressing room that appealed to Nige who would of course known that Simpson was way past his best. 
Same applies to James and King.

James is not in the same bracket. 

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2 minutes ago, Selred said:

James is not in the same bracket. 

Nige signed James despite him being past his best but (same as Simpson) was aware of the influence he’d have in the dressing room as well as on the pitch - so there are similarities between the two signings.

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Just now, VT05763 said:

Ever done any coaching qualifications ?

Really??

Why do you want this to become a p*sing contest?

I’ve just called you out on a post(s) that in my opinion are delivering another false narrative.

 

FWIW I did the old “Prelim” back in the 90’s now hold EUFA B and have been a teacher for 25 years. 

 

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1 minute ago, HappyClapper said:

Really??

Why do you want this to become a p*sing contest?

I’ve just called you out on a post(s) that in my opinion are delivering another false narrative.

 

FWIW I did the old “Prelim” back in the 90’s now hold EUFA B and have been a teacher for 25 years. 

 

And you haven't covered player development it seems.

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1 minute ago, HappyClapper said:

Really??

Why do you want this to become a p*sing contest?

I’ve just called you out on a post(s) that in my opinion are delivering another false narrative.

 

FWIW I did the old “Prelim” back in the 90’s now hold EUFA B and have been a teacher for 25 years. 

 

Ah, the old “coaching qualifications / cock waving” post!

An irrelevant question.

Great response from you.  Can’t wait for the response.

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11 minutes ago, VT05763 said:

You got a spreadsheet on "cock waving" ?

No, why would I?

Why do you troll my posts, then DM me with your ITK stuff?  ??‍♂️
 

Why did you DM me to try to meet up with me before a game? ??‍♂️
 

Why did you ask if DMs were monitored? ??‍♂️

 

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1 minute ago, Strictly Obi said:

I'm by no way sticking up for NP, but find it difficult to understand how some are criticising his signings when he's literally been given no budget whatsoever. 

In fairness I think it’s fair to critique.  But accept there will be always be more than one view…even on a player / signing like Danny Simpson.

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