HNM

[Silvio Dante]

I don’t like posting threads that are critical of players as we all have bad days at work - but that was genuinely one of the worst days I can remember Han-Noah having. Even before the penalty (which was needless), every time he had the ball he gave it away. Nothing was coming off, even simple 5 yard passes.

I don’t think it’s anything like angling for a move, because I don’t see that in his character to date, but clearly, he’s woefully out of form and if today is reflective of how he’s been in training the selection last week of half fit James and Williams makes a degree more sense.

Just hope it’s a very small blip in development.

[Son of Fred]

6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I don’t like posting threads that are critical of players as we all have bad days at work - but that was genuinely one of the worst days I can remember Han-Noah having. Even before the penalty (which was needless), every time he had the ball he gave it away. Nothing was coming off, even simple 5 yard passes.

I don’t think it’s anything like angling for a move, because I don’t see that in his character to date, but clearly, he’s woefully out of form and if today is reflective of how he’s been in training the selection last week of half fit James and Williams makes a degree more sense.

Just hope it’s a very small blip in development.

He's leaving & he knows it.

[Davefevs]

Silvio - didn’t look right, looked heavy legged.

[Gazred]

Preston away seems a long time ago!

He'll come good again. He feels a bit more senior to our other young players but he's still developing and he's had these spells before.

[Sleepy1968]

1 minute ago, Son of Fred said:

He's leaving & he knows it.

Pretty much shown why he isn't starting games at least.

[RedNachos]

Out of form and by the looks of it to me, very much out of confidence. I think Nigel's very outward style of man-management suits some of our players, but HNM is not one for me. A player of his talent needs to be nurtured as opposed to openly criticising him.

Looking at his reaction when Han makes a mistake, he is very demanding of him which I think could be down to his appreciation of him as a talent but he's incredibly harsh on the lad for his age imo.

This is my interpretation but who knows what things are like behind the scenes 

 

[REDOXO]

He was dreadful when he came on. The penalty put the tin hat on it!

[RedM]

2 minutes ago, RedNachos said:

Out of form and by the looks of it to me, very much out of confidence. I think Nigel's very outward style of man-management suits some of our players, but HNM is not one for me. A player of his talent needs to be nurtured as opposed to openly criticising him.

Looking at his reaction when Han makes a mistake, he is very demanding of him which I think could be down to his appreciation of him as a talent but he's incredibly harsh on the lad for his age imo.

This is my interpretation but who knows what things are like behind the scenes 

 

Yet Pearson has been the only manager who has got him.playing his best football. But yes, he wasn't right today.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

Confidence, out of form, he knows he is going, not 100% fit, part of his development.

Who knows what up at present. But he needs support being so young from NP and us lot, the fans whatever

[petehinton]

Be extremely surprised if he’s here come September. Sitting on a contact offer for 3 months or so never ends well. 

[Silvio Dante]

12 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

He was dreadful when he came on. The penalty put the tin hat on it!

Lid!

[RedNachos]

9 minutes ago, RedM said:

Yet Pearson has been the only manager who has got him.playing his best football. But yes, he wasn't right today.

that's a fair point but as a young player with his confidence at what looks like an all time low I am wondering if he could do something different with him to boost his performances.

It's an interesting one

[Dullmoan Tone]

15 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Who knows what up at present. But he needs support being so young from NP and us lot, the fans whatever

No player gets more support - his song is sung regardless of form. Think his head has been turned and he’s trying too hard.

He’s definitely not downed tools.

[054123]

28 minutes ago, RedM said:

Yet Pearson has been the only manager who has got him.playing his best football. But yes, he wasn't right today.

Just in time. He’ll be moving in in the summer I suspect 

[Topper 123]

Some posts on here make me laugh , “he knows he’s going “ the only clubs that will be interested are league 1 clubs , he’s done nothing here in what 2 years he’s only had 1 assist I can think of and he’s not close to scoring let alone draw a save from a keeper,can’t see what all the fuss is he got to do a heck of a lot more to win me over .

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

Yet Pearson has been the only manager who has got him.playing his best football. But yes, he wasn't right today.

Agree. Has spoken in a very complimentary way about Han without being gushing. Knows he will have good days and bad days. Overall, he’s played some good stuff this season. 

[RedM]

19 minutes ago, Magger1 said:

Some posts on here make me laugh , “he knows he’s going “ the only clubs that will be interested are league 1 clubs , he’s done nothing here in what 2 years he’s only had 1 assist I can think of and he’s not close to scoring let alone draw a save from a keeper,can’t see what all the fuss is he got to do a heck of a lot more to win me over .

I think you are being quite insulting to what he brings,( usually, ) to the team..At times he has been the driving force in midfield and an absolute joy to watch. 

League one. Not a chance.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I don’t like posting threads that are critical of players as we all have bad days at work - but that was genuinely one of the worst days I can remember Han-Noah having. Even before the penalty (which was needless), every time he had the ball he gave it away. Nothing was coming off, even simple 5 yard passes.

I don’t think it’s anything like angling for a move, because I don’t see that in his character to date, but clearly, he’s woefully out of form and if today is reflective of how he’s been in training the selection last week of half fit James and Williams makes a degree more sense.

Just hope it’s a very small blip in development.

Don’t do it then!

[RED4LIFE]

He's 20 years old. At that age my bad days outnumbered my good ones as I'm sure it did for a lot of us. There certainly wasn't a lack of effort from Han.

Alex Scott was just as poor and there doesn't seem to be the same accusations laid at his door.

Personally, I don't think there's anything in today more than that. 

[frenchred]

Manager has done his confidence in by being a crap man manager!

[ORANGE500]

1 hour ago, RED4LIFE said:

He's 20 years old. At that age my bad days outnumbered my good ones as I'm sure it did for a lot of us. There certainly wasn't a lack of effort from Han.

Alex Scott was just as poor and there doesn't seem to be the same accusations laid at his door.

Personally, I don't think there's anything in today more than that. 

Alex Scott has been  consistently good Massengo is still having 1 decent game followed by 6 poor games. Frequently  giving the ball away, stupid free kicks bad back passes and he was doing all of that 2 years ago,his game has not progressed very much at all.Another i wouldn't  be  disappointed to see move on at the end of the season.

[KegCity]

He'll have his ups and downs like any of the other young players. Clearly out of form at the moment though, may be down to the contract situation but ultimately young players are just inconsistent.

[Davefevs]

29 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Manager has done his confidence in by being a crap man manager!

Hahahahaha….nice one.

[Redtucks]

2 hours ago, Magger1 said:

Some posts on here make me laugh , “he knows he’s going “ the only clubs that will be interested are league 1 clubs , he’s done nothing here in what 2 years he’s only had 1 assist I can think of and he’s not close to scoring let alone draw a save from a keeper,can’t see what all the fuss is he got to do a heck of a lot more to win me over .

So that's why your not a football manager then!

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

I'd prefer him to stay but he's obviously keeping his options open and fair play to him. He may be better suited to a different set up.

Irrespective, I really hope he gets in form asap because his value could be crucial to the summer rebuild and potentially prevent us from selling others.

[mozo]

He had 2 good minutes then went crap, but that's not unusual for Massengo, he's a confidence player if ever I saw one. I can't remember the game but there was a sub appearance last season where he couldn't do anything right. Then we've seen long streaks of games where we laud him as a Premier League player in waiting. He's out of sorts atm but any speculation as to why is guesswork.

[Davefevs]

26 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

In any set up, if you pass the ball to the opposition when you are not under pressure, you got an issue. I really rate HNM, he is still very young, but some of his decision making are not good enough. It is the area that often is cited by players/coaches etc about why some players, despite all fo the best skills , never realise their potential. I recall a very good interview with Dele Adebola regarding this. He had dropped down the leagues later in his career, and was asked about lower league players . He was asked if they lacked technical skills , and he replied , yes at the very very top, but the biggest difference is about decision making (in his view), that really marks out the top players , from lower league to the top divisions. So, HNM, who I feel can become something very special, has moments of making really bad decisions, and that is what will hold him back. IMHO he needs a couple more years at this level to develop and work (he works very hard) to try and eradicate these mishaps. He made 3 today whilst not under pressure. That he has to solve wherever he goes, as it will stop him reaching the top. A few more games like Preston away if we are to get the millions we need this summer. 

Han was poor, no getting away from that.  But he is a player that likes to make a simple pass…and we were at a point of in the game where we didn’t have much control and as team we gave it away cheaply.  Williams and James were tiring, although both got a second wind.

Han looked heavy legged, of late he’s looked sharp, even if things have been a bit up and down.  Today he didn’t look like he had a run in him.

[bexhill reds]

3 hours ago, billywedlock said:

His first bad pass , not under pressure was really hard to grasp . It was awful . Even though he is young that  sort of error is elementary and shocked me . He now has a lot of game time and that was dire . As his biggest fan that sort of error ( repeated ) is a huge worry for his future . Fans love his cameos his tricks and moves but those are the basics and he failed dramatically . He should by now be eliminating these basic issues . 

I think half his weakness is that he’s got to do stuff at 100 miles an hour, great when you’re closing down and trying to win the ball but less so when in possession with it. It’s almost like he thinks he’s absolutely has to do something when he has the ball be it to take it forward, or try to play an immediate pass when sometimes just keeping hold of it and assessing his options might be better. That might come with time, if he does then he will be a fantastic player.

[The Journalist]

I really like Han-Noah. Always gives everything, tenacious, enthusiastic, clearly really gifted in terms of technical ability…

… Yet consistently makes some really poor decisions in his own defensive third and contributes next to nothing in the attacking third in terms of goals and assists.

Still only 20 with bucket loads of room for development, yet has also played nearly 100 first-team games!

I think he has a really big decision to make in terms of what next in his career. And, if he doesn’t stay, it’s really hard to call what sort of level he’ll be playing this time next year.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, The Journalist said:

I really like Han-Noah. Always gives everything, tenacious, enthusiastic, clearly really gifted in terms of technical ability…

… Yet consistently makes some really poor decisions in his own defensive third and contributes next to nothing in the attacking third in terms of goals and assists.

Still only 20 with bucket loads of room for development, yet has also played nearly 100 first-team games!

I think he has a really big decision to make in terms of what next in his career. And, if he doesn’t stay, it’s really hard to call what sort of level he’ll be playing this time next year.

It’s one of the reasons I think he will stay.  He knows he has things to work on in his game.  He has a very supportive manager.  Can you imagine him at Watford this season (had we accepted offer last summer) in the PL?

[Numero Uno]

3 hours ago, The Journalist said:

I really like Han-Noah. Always gives everything, tenacious, enthusiastic, clearly really gifted in terms of technical ability…

… Yet consistently makes some really poor decisions in his own defensive third and contributes next to nothing in the attacking third in terms of goals and assists.

Still only 20 with bucket loads of room for development, yet has also played nearly 100 first-team games!

I think he has a really big decision to make in terms of what next in his career. And, if he doesn’t stay, it’s really hard to call what sort of level he’ll be playing this time next year.

The danger with Massengo is he could go to a Premier League club and hardly be seen for the first one to two years. He would have to show a lot more than he has done over the last few weeks to even get a place on the bench that's for sure. All comes down to money and the patience/foresight of the player and his agent I suppose. I see it similarly with Semenyo too. He's been brilliant for us but he is still far too raw to play with any sort of regularity in the Premier League.  The only one of our three players we could cash in on who I would expect to be seeing actually playing in the Premier League this time next year, if we sold him, is Scott. The kid is very talented, has the football brain in-built and is a very fast learner to go with it.

Edited March 13, 2022 by Numero Uno

[1960maaan]

Not sure what was wrong yesterday, didn't look his same eager, enthusiastic self. One thing he always gives is energy, and he looked way off that. 
What I will say, and I'm repeating myself, we only got him to sign because he wanted to play and improve. He has played way more than he'd hoped, and I don't see it in his character to down tools or coast to a move.
That said.
I thought he struggled yesterday, from the moment he hit a cross field ball straight to a Blackburn player, his head seemed to drop and he walked back . In fact he only jogged back to cover on a few occasions. There was none of that, cheeky drag back step over running with the ball he usually brings. Who knows why, but just file under a bad day. He may have been frustrated with himself who knows, he will no doubt play better next time out.

[DT The Optimist]

Everyone is entitled to a bad day at the office, and perhaps we are reading too much into this. 
I guess like most posters think it’s very likely we will lose one of Scott, HNM, or Sem. If it’s right for player, and club.  
If I had to make that call of the three it would be HNM, at the right money. And we do not want a Fam scenario agin..

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Everyone is entitled to a bad day at the office, and perhaps we are reading too much into this. 

There’s a lot of amateur psychology on OTIB given as fact, overreacting fact in many cases.

Massengo plays badly, therefore he must be leaving.  Pearson is managing him badly, etc.

Bell gets hooked at h-t last week, it’s an HR issue, akin to Pearson bullying, and his career will be ruined.

For any of us who played (at whatever level) and made the first team as a real youngster, you’d be happy to play anywhere to be part of it, take your minutes wherever you could.

But we fail to look at the evidence of the impact of said “bad man-management”, e.g. Scott, Tanner, etc.  it’s as if there must be a stick to beat Pearson with.  The evidence actually points to the opposite.

Yeah, I’m supportive of Pearson’s tenure, but I don’t half read some exaggeration on here at times.

[LondonBristolian]

31 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

There’s a lot of amateur psychology on OTIB given as fact, overreacting fact in many cases.

Massengo plays badly, therefore he must be leaving.  Pearson is managing him badly, etc.

Bell gets hooked at h-t last week, it’s an HR issue, akin to Pearson bullying, and his career will be ruined.

For any of us who played (at whatever level) and made the first team as a real youngster, you’d be happy to play anywhere to be part of it, take your minutes wherever you could.

But we fail to look at the evidence of the impact of said “bad man-management”, e.g. Scott, Tanner, etc.  it’s as if there must be a stick to beat Pearson with.  The evidence actually points to the opposite.

Yeah, I’m supportive of Pearson’s tenure, but I don’t half read some exaggeration on here at times.

Indeed. A young player being inconsistent should not come as a surprise to anyone. Massengo, Semenyo and Scott are all fine talents but all of them are going to have some terrible weeks and some great weeks as they develop their game. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Indeed. A young player being inconsistent should not come as a surprise to anyone. Massengo, Semenyo and Scott are all fine talents but all of them are going to have some terrible weeks and some great weeks as they develop their game. 

The fact that Scott has very few bad games is mainly down to how bloody good he is I think. 

[ashton_fan]

This reminds me of when Lloyd Kelly had a bad patch and was written off by many on here, it happens with young players. Han is unsettled probably because he doesn't know where he's playing next season, likely being pulled one way by the club and the other by his agent.