Bristol Rob Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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And Its Smith Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 No surprise at all. Pearson is a big fan Last week he was asked how he thought a couple of players had performed (can’t remember who) and he replied saying he thought Chris Martin was excellent! 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GrahamC Posted March 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2022 Would presume his original 2 year deal contained an extension clause in it based on appearances, which seeing as he has been in the squad for 100% of our league games (yes, but Dave Rennie is no better than Andy Rolls ) he has easily achieved. Deserves it, the debate about having an alternative to him isn’t his issue, it’s the club’s. 28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Probably one of our better performers this season, not that that's saying much. Hopefully he becomes a bit more of a squad player next year with a new striker coming in but money is pretty tight... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Not really a surprise. He's making a useful contribution, seems to enjoy it here and Pearson obviously likes him. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Don't mind this as long as it's more a squad player playing the odd game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gol Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 good news has done well when not being flogged to death. Hopefully get another striker in to rotate with as he cannot do 2 games a week 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Good news if he is going to be used as a rotation/squad player. Bad news if he is to be used every single game in 2022/23 and if that's the case I fear the Summer ahead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 He has always held the option to extend his 2 year contract for a further year so this is obviously not a surprise I still feel like he is flogged too much sometimes, he doesn't need to start every game with Wells in the background 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 This is good, aren’t we 4th top goal scoring team? He’s been a part of that all season. I’d be okay with it if our attack stays the same in the summer. We just need to fix the defence 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Don’t know how anyone can not see that this makes complete sense in literally every way. Played loads of minutes, scored really important goals, key player from defending set pieces (even though he shouldn’t be), and an extremely experienced pro that’ll help the youngsters. Would cost a pretty penny trying to replace him if we were to let him go. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sturny said: This is good, aren’t we 4th top goal scoring team? He’s been a part of that all season. I’d be okay with it if our attack stays the same in the summer. We just need to fix the defence No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Just now, Super said: No. Hats off, you’ve convinced me Edited March 17, 2022 by Sturny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, Sturny said: Hats off, you’ve convinced me Def not the 4th top scoring team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Would presume his original 2 year deal contained an extension clause in it based on appearances, which seeing as he has been in the squad for 100% of our league games (yes, but Dave Rennie is no better than Andy Rolls ) he has easily achieved. Deserves it, the debate about having an alternative to him isn’t his issue, it’s the club’s. Can't help but feel that we would do better with him in more of a latter Wilbraham role, 20 mins at the end, off the bench when the opposition are tiring. Seems like a similarly model professional. Used more sparingly I suspect we would get more goals and his career could go on quite a bit longer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sturny said: This is good, aren’t we 4th top goal scoring team? He’s been a part of that all season. I’d be okay with it if our attack stays the same in the summer. We just need to fix the defence 11th 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Super said: Def not the 4th top scoring team. Okay I just checked, I remember we were pretty high up last I paid attention to it. It’s still not bad. I thought we were still high up there but not anymore it seems 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sturny said: Okay I just checked, I remember we were pretty high up last I paid attention to it. It’s still not bad. I thought we were still high up there but not anymore it seems Agree. It's at the other end the problems we have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: @old eastender will be stoked.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. Certainly not on a striker. I expect our forwards to be Weimann, Martin, Conway, plus two of Wells, Semenyo and Janneh depending on who leaves (ideally Wells to save the wages). The little money we spend I expect us to spend on defenders. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Deserved. Our front line is the reason we'll survive this season, not doing much wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Makes sense. Good team player, not on a huge wage, settled at the club, not injury prone and happy to fight for his place. He's been reliable for us and although we would rather a more natural striker, he has earned the extension. Whether hes a starter or back up next season, it was a low risk decision and a sensible one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, FNQ said: @old eastender will be stoked.. if only he ditched the divers boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 What we really need is someone who can take a good re-start. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Decent player, does a decent job, and I have no problem with that. I would be surprised if he played as much next season, but then I don't really expect us to bring anyone in up top, unless one of Semenyo or Wiemann go. If Wells goes, then maybe a younger player, maybe from League 1, but the rest of the savings on Wells' wage would be better spent elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Sensible and it upsets the bed wetters on Twitter. Splendid 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 58 minutes ago, Super said: Don't mind this as long as it's more a squad player playing the odd game. That was my initial view, but why waste the salary when it could be used for someone who comes in as a first team striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. I don't know how you can come to that conclusion when a player who had an option to extend his contract has extended his contract. We had no say whether we wanted him to stay or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: That was my initial view, but why waste the salary when it could be used for someone who comes in as a first team striker And how much money do you think one of them would cost? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 EP coverage: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-nigel-pearson-contract-6818433 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I don't know how you can come to that conclusion when a player who had an option to extend his contract has extended his contract. We had no say whether we wanted him to stay or not Also remember the last time Wilbraham extended his contract? That was an option IIRC, and he left not long after as he got an offer from Bolton, with a better chance of minutes. He wasn't going to be first choice so the club agreed to let him go. All very amicable. This doesn't automatically mean that Martin is going to be first choice next summer, and neither does it mean that he won't get someone offer him a longer/better contract in the coming months. It also doesn't mean that we aren't looking at better options for next season. It's an option on his contract that he was entitled to trigger. Simples. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Northern Red said: And how much money do you think one of them would cost? There’s no FFP on Football Manager ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) The article in the post is pretty clear We had the option to extend it by one year if we wanted to. Not Martin could extend it if he wanted to. Pearson has stated its about rewarding his play. Its not an extension based on appearances and so on, its basically, that we could trigger an extra year on the same terms in his final season of contract if they wanted to. Basically when Martin signed here, he agreed terms and wages and so on, and would have had in place, that in the final year of the contract, the contract can be renewed on the same terms for another 12 months if the club wanted to. That will mean next year is again his final year of contract, so next season if we wanted to, we could renew it on the same terms. A lot of older players sign contracts like this, as they dont have to renegotiate wages with clubs to extend a contract. I,e say you sign at 30, and 3 years later you're out of contract, the club may offer you less money to stay, so quite often a player leaves to look for a new role. The way Martin has done it means that he agrees a 2 year deal on x amount a week, but makes it clear I am happy to see my career out on these terms, as long as he stays fit, plays well and is deemed value for that wage the club will keep extending it and he's got a contract he's happy with. Had he wanted a 4 or 5 year deal a couple of years ago, the club wouldn't have signed him, but by agreeing a 2 year deal, with a standard activation clause to renew on the same terms for another year in the final 12 months at the clubs request, he could end up getting 4 or 5 years at a club and see out his career on the terms he wanted, because he's played well and been good value to the club. Quite a few 30yo+ players do deals like this if they know their legs will hold up and they want to play and are not greedy. I seem to recall Barry Bannan at Sheffield Wednesday is on a rolling contract now, he signed for 2 years with a year add on each year if the club wanted it. When they got relegated I remember reading he didn't know if Sheff Wed could honour is contract and offered to be sold if they wanted him to leave, but stated his desire to play. Its all about whether a player is looking for a pay day, or a play day! Edited March 17, 2022 by robin for life 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Sturny said: This is good, aren’t we 4th top goal scoring team? He’s been a part of that all season. I’d be okay with it if our attack stays the same in the summer. We just need to fix the defence We were a while back but not now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Sturny said: I’d be okay with it if our attack stays the same in the summer. Great that he's staying... Although we also badly need some pace.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Will probably get 10 - 12 goals this season, half that many assists, and a huge part of an attack that is the reason we've survived this year. Second most minutes on the pitch as well... not to be sniffed at with this squad. I'm pleased. 8 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: There’s no FFP on Football Manager ! There absolutely is! Think people don't realise how complex those games are these days... 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Nothing wrong with our strike force in Wiemann, Martin, Wells & Semenyo and Conway breaking through. I think if Wells had more minutes he would prove that rotating Martin and himself is a way forward and would enable us to blood in Conway. If Semenyo is sold, we may have to add one more, but then thats a bridge to cross if it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Another step in the me not getting season card next season. If you thought we couldn’t defend from front with Famara watch Martin close people down. Not even that great at holding the ball up and no one can read his flick ons so what is the point? Waste of money this. The state of the club if we will only sign better players yet need to rely on 33 year old Martin for another season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Will probably get 10 - 12 goals this season, half that many assists, and a huge part of an attack that is the reason we've survived this year. Second most minutes on the pitch as well... not to be sniffed at with this squad. I'm pleased. There absolutely is! Think people don't realise how complex those games are these days... He’s not necessarily at his peak , but I was only thinking the other night it’s a shame we couldn’t (understandably) take a gamble on Afobe But Afobe has a very similar record to CM this season in shots per game , goals pg , passing success etc , but CM has managed nearly %25 more game time than Afobe He’s not a Mitrovic , or a dazzling jewel , but Id say the best finisher at the Club and probably appreciated by AS and AW at least Basically the same as a free signing for next season, and if we can find better cheaper , good luck IMO , Edited March 17, 2022 by Sheltons Army 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. It’s almost as if that £38.4m loss never happened, isn’t it. FFS. What it “screams” to me is that we need to be extremely wise in what we spend this summer & so offering one more year to a player with a 100% availability record, 9 goals & 4 assists makes lots of sense. 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. That’s what happens when you have none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: He’s not necessarily at his peak , but I was only thinking the other night it’s a shame we couldn’t (understandably) take a gamble on Afobe But Afobe has a very similar record to CM this season in shots per game , goals , passing success etc , but has managed nearly %25 more game time than Afobe He’s not a Mitrovic , or a dazzling jewel , but Id say the best finisher at the Club and probably appreciated by AS and AW at least Basically the same as a free signing for next season, and if we can find better cheaper , good luck IMO , Yeah I agree. He's a solid 6 out of 10 pretty much every game for me, and more often a 7/8 than a 5 if he's not. That's just what we're missing at the moment... a few more of them around the team to allow for the inconsistent kids and we'd be in a much better place. Didn't realise that about his Afobe comparison, interesting! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Would presume his original 2 year deal contained an extension clause in it based on appearances, which seeing as he has been in the squad for 100% of our league games (yes, but Dave Rennie is no better than Andy Rolls ) he has easily achieved. Deserves it, the debate about having an alternative to him isn’t his issue, it’s the club’s. Announced as “club option”, but it’s possible Martin might’ve asked for his own terms to be included too, just not publicly announced by club (or him). Today, club said “contract extension”, they didn’t say they’ve exercised their option. So it is possible that they’ve done exactly that (exercised his option), or Martin’s own terms were triggered, or something else. I suspect it is a club exercised option though, I.e. Pearson wants to keep him. 1 hour ago, 2015 said: Good news if he is going to be used as a rotation/squad player. Bad news if he is to be used every single game in 2022/23 and if that's the case I fear the Summer ahead. Agree. 1 hour ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. Yep, I’m ok with with that if we recruit smartly. 14 minutes ago, robin for life said: The article in the post is pretty clear We had the option to extend it by one year if we wanted to. Not Martin could extend it if he wanted to. Pearson has stated its about rewarding his play. Its not an extension based on appearances and so on, its basically, that we could trigger an extra year on the same terms in his final season of contract if they wanted to. Basically when Martin signed here, he agreed terms and wages and so on, and would have had in place, that in the final year of the contract, the contract can be renewed on the same terms for another 12 months if the club wanted to. That will mean next year is again his final year of contract, so next season if we wanted to, we could renew it on the same terms. A lot of older players sign contracts like this, as they dont have to renegotiate wages with clubs to extend a contract. I,e say you sign at 30, and 3 years later you're out of contract, the club may offer you less money to stay, so quite often a player leaves to look for a new role. The way Martin has done it means that he agrees a 2 year deal on x amount a week, but makes it clear I am happy to see my career out on these terms, as long as he stays fit, plays well and is deemed value for that wage the club will keep extending it and he's got a contract he's happy with. Had he wanted a 4 or 5 year deal a couple of years ago, the club wouldn't have signed him, but by agreeing a 2 year deal, with a standard activation clause to renew on the same terms for another year in the final 12 months at the clubs request, he could end up getting 4 or 5 years at a club and see out his career on the terms he wanted, because he's played well and been good value to the club. Quite a few 30yo+ players do deals like this if they know their legs will hold up and they want to play and are not greedy. I seem to recall Barry Bannan at Sheffield Wednesday is on a rolling contract now, he signed for 2 years with a year add on each year if the club wanted it. When they got relegated I remember reading he didn't know if Sheff Wed could honour is contract and offered to be sold if they wanted him to leave, but stated his desire to play. Its all about whether a player is looking for a pay day, or a play day! That’s the article in the post though, not what club put out. The post doesn’t say we (club) triggered our option, just says there was one. 2+2 probably does equal 4 in this case, but we can’t be 100% sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 im glad, hes an important part of our forward gears, the only part that works consistantly. its the middle and back lines need educating/replacing, whichever is successful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: He’s not necessarily at his peak , but I was only thinking the other night it’s a shame we couldn’t (understandably) take a gamble on Afobe But Afobe has a very similar record to CM this season in shots per game , goals , passing success etc , but has managed nearly %25 more game time than Afobe He’s not a Mitrovic , or a dazzling jewel , but Id say the best finisher at the Club and probably appreciated by AS and AW at least Basically the same as a free signing for next season, and if we can find better cheaper , good luck IMO , Afobe likely to be on higher wages and a loan fee too at Millwall. Free in the summer, my Millwall work colleague thinks he will sign for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Announced as “club option”, but it’s possible Martin might’ve asked for his own terms to be included too, just not publicly announced by club (or him). Today, club said “contract extension”, they didn’t say they’ve exercised their option. So it is possible that they’ve done exactly that (exercised his option), or Martin’s own terms were triggered, or something else. I suspect it is a club exercised option though, I.e. Pearson wants to keep him. Agree. Yep, I’m ok with with that if we recruit smartly. That’s the article in the post though, not what club put out. The post doesn’t say we (club) triggered our option, just says there was one. 2+2 probably does equal 4 in this case, but we can’t be 100% sure. Player option according to the BBC Chris Martin: Bristol City sign Derby County striker on two-year deal - BBC Sport Martin has the option of extending his two-year contract at Ashton Gate by another 12 months 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: Player option according to the BBC Chris Martin: Bristol City sign Derby County striker on two-year deal - BBC Sport Martin has the option of extending his two-year contract at Ashton Gate by another 12 months Haha, the plot thicketh. The initial announcement is unclear when reading back!! Doesn’t say “club option” either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, Davefevs said: Haha, the plot thicketh. The initial announcement is unclear when reading back!! Doesn’t say “club option” either! I always thought it was his option to be fair and the 'Martin extends City stay' headline on BCFC today is a certain phraseology 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, cidercity1987 said: I always thought it was his option to be fair and the 'Martin extends City stay' headline on BCFC today is a certain phraseology Fair play to you. Its unusual if that was the case, although going back to GrahamC’s point, if it was something like “if you play 25 games you can extend on current terms” that would be more logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 If that's the level we aspire to then so be it.....that's why we won't progress in this division. Kalas is the same...good enough for us but not a good player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Genuinely think that the only way that a significant chunk of our fanbase might wake up to the reality of the financial situation is if we get hit with a points deduction and/or transfer embargo. And even then, there'd be some who still wouldn't get it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, petehinton said: Don’t know how anyone can not see that this makes complete sense in literally every way. Played loads of minutes, scored really important goals, key player from defending set pieces (even though he shouldn’t be), and an extremely experienced pro that’ll help the youngsters. Would cost a pretty penny trying to replace him if we were to let him go. Spot on Pete. He’s made a decent contribution since joining and scored some key goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 One can only hope that his ‘performance’ last Tuesday is not what we can expect moving forwards. Otherwise, it’s yet another passenger burning wages and risking the Club’s future. Maybe not Martin’s fault though, which in a way is equally worrying, in that our experienced Manager thinks the guy is up to three matches a week… and he is clearly not. Would I kick him off the bus? Yes, if we had a scouting system I could trust and we could bring in a younger Conference player of similar ilk. I’ve zero confidence in that system though so, maybe a case of better the devil you know. Would just hope the penny has finally dropped with our Manager and he now recognises Martin’s ‘game minutes’ limitations. Looks like an exciting season ahead where treading water is our goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. What money? Unless we sell at least 2 to 3 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, RedRock said: One can only hope that his ‘performance’ last Tuesday is not what we can expect moving forwards. Otherwise, it’s yet another passenger burning wages and risking the Club’s future. Maybe not Martin’s fault though, which in a way is equally worrying, in that our experienced Manager thinks the guy is up to three matches a week… and he is clearly not. Would I kick him off the bus? Yes, if we had a scouting system I could trust and we could bring in a younger Conference player of similar ilk. I’ve zero confidence in that system though so, maybe a case of better the devil you know. Would just hope the penny has finally dropped with our Manager and he now recognises Martin’s ‘game minutes’ limitations. Looks like an exciting season ahead where treading water is our goal. that last point is the one. IF we had a scouting system. We basically don't, well we didn't for last summer anyway. No doubt a big reason we basically had to re-sign Baker and Weimann, and brougjht in King/Simpson/James were because there was quite literally no other options that could be put to Pearson after Ashton took away our entire 'scouting' team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Top Robin said: If that's the level we aspire to then so be it.....that's why we won't progress in this division. Kalas is the same...good enough for us but not a good player. Otib won’t like that one. I find when a championship club is happy to stay mid table in the championship it means they’re in some danger of going down, or have plenty rubbish displays like we’ve seen this season. we reek of that attitude, it’s just not a very exciting time to be a fan. 5 years ago there was an ambitious vibe about us, I don’t get those same vibes at all. It’s more like we’re clinging on. When people blame stuff on kalas I laugh, he’s clearly surrounded by poor players, I actually feel sorry for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Ultimately I think this makes sense. We're arguably a striker light - depending on how ready Conway and Bell are and whether Weimann is being used elsewhere on the pitch. Martin has obvious limitations but he's nowhere near the top of the list of players I'd like to see moved on. Bottom line is I'm not convinced we could replace him with someone of the same quality without spending more money and there are other areas where there is a pressing need to spend whatever money - if any at all - that we do have. People have talked about getting a conference or lower league striker in but any League Two or Conference striker who is at Championship level may not be available at the bargain price some assume. Let's not forget we were being quoted £1 million for Michael Smith from Rotherham over the summer. I know that's League One rather the conference but, if a £1 million is the price for a League One journeyman, it gives a sense of where the market is for strikers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, petehinton said: that last point is the one. IF we had a scouting system. We basically don't, well we didn't for last summer anyway. No doubt a big reason we basically had to re-sign Baker and Weimann, and brougjht in King/Simpson/James were because there was quite literally no other options that could be put to Pearson after Ashton took away our entire 'scouting' team. I've no doubt that's true but I also struggle to think of comparable defenders available on a free last summer who were better than Baker. Tom Lees was the other serious rumour. He might have been better in hindsight but he was not a definite upgrade and it might be he would have chosen Huddersfield anyway. Once we decided we were spending the bulk of the budget on Atkinson, re-signing Baker was probably the sensible move at the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I've no doubt that's true but I also struggle to think of comparable defenders available on a free last summer who were better than Baker. Tom Lees was the other serious rumour. He might have been better in hindsight but he was not a definite upgrade and it might be he would have chosen Huddersfield anyway. Once we decided we were spending the bulk of the budget on Atkinson, re-signing Baker was probably the sensible move at the time. I hope we use the loan system to help our defence. It’s tragic to watch. The amount of crosses we let into the box makes my head spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, petehinton said: Don’t know how anyone can not see that this makes complete sense in literally every way. Played loads of minutes, scored really important goals, key player from defending set pieces (even though he shouldn’t be), and an extremely experienced pro that’ll help the youngsters. Would cost a pretty penny trying to replace him if we were to let him go. Completely agree, I for one am glad to have a player who busts a gut for his wages every week. A top pro, who's experience and nouse will be a good example for the youngsters to follow. Well earned Chris. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sturny said: I hope we use the loan system to help our defence. It’s tragic to watch. The amount of crosses we let into the box makes my head spin I actually thought it was a tactic by letting all those balls into the box, not getting tight to your man, thus letting him cross at will, it was so blatantly obvious. Lets hope this gets addressed in the summer transfer window, if we could tighten the defence up, well who knows............. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfitInMyPocket Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Don't think it has sunk into a lot of our fanbase that we aren't going to be spending money on a plethora of signings like we were used to under LJ from now on. He's been reliable given the amount of minutes he has played (his performance levels in a midweek game dropping after a full 90 aren't the same I know) but he has still been ever-present for us and when the team gets it right Martin is at the centre of it. We are not going to make any money off of him transfer fee wise, and I cannot see us getting anyone in better than him on a free so it is a good idea to keep him here. If we can keep some reliable old heads around the place whilst we shift off players like Palmer/Wells/Moore/Vyner/COD/Bakinson etc then we might build a more well-rounded and financially efficient squad. But it takes time, add to what we got when we can if it is the right deal and we might see some steady progression. We are not the playoff pushing "Premier League team in waiting" anymore, that time is gone. I'm thankful our club is still around and trying to move forward in a pragmatic way instead of moving under some fake dream like we have been used to for the last five years or so. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said: This screams to me that we won’t be spending any money this summer. Do you think Nakhi Wells wants to spend next season sat on his arse for 46 games? If you don't, join the dots... Edited March 17, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Disappointed to hear Martin will be with us for another season. Doesn't bode well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Think Martin deserves it. Not sure he should start every game- a pair of Weimann and Semenyo with Scott behind could be one alternative, but I'm quite happy. He can pass on tips and nous to Semenyo and any other young strikers pushing through too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 At least he stays fit. He could fill in at right back if necessary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 A good bit of business by the club. Decent player at this level when rotated and used correctly. The forward line as we all know isn’t the issue and if we can possibly keep Semenyo in the summer I don’t actually think its a deal breaker if we don’t bring another forward in on a permanent deal. It’s the defence that needs the money (if there is any) in the summer spent on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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