How long has Pearson got left?

[Negan]

I’m by no means in the Pearson out camp…. Yet anyway. However after yet again another win snatched away in the final seconds. I’ve left the ground thinking, at what point is this not considered bad luck but bad management. He’s been here a long time now and like Lee Johnson with his streaks, Pearson just can’t kick this last second crumble. He’ll obviously see out the season and be given the summer but if this sort of form continues in to the new season, surely he doesn’t have long. I’d hope we’d act quickly and if things aren’t any different by October we go with someone else.

 

I’ll admit there has been an improvement since he’s been here and let’s face it, the squad he’s inherited isn’t the best but it’s the little things like giving pens away, conceding at the death, how god damn awful we are at defending set pieces and just defending overall that’s getting harder and harder to ignore. Hopefully Nige can get backed in the summer and sort these massive problems out but if he can’t. It definitely needs freshening up. I’m sure someone could get more out of this team defensively with one or two additions. Remains to be seen if that somebody is Nige…

Edited March 19, 2022 by Negan

[MarcusX]

Today was just a good goal IMO. Happens far too often I agree, but sometimes you just have to hold your hands up.

We were much better today, they barely had a sniff at goal - a pen and a 93rd minute goal, no other shots on target.

Pearson gets the summer and start of next season for me - then it’s as good as his team. 

 

[Negan]

1 minute ago, TomF said:

The summer and 10 games into next season I’d say. If we don’t see improvement by then I think his position starts to become unattainable  

I’d agree with that. I don’t think a manger has ever been given such leeway from our fan base as Nige has been given. Mostly because we all know what the challenges were. However after 18 months (I know it’s not 18 months yet but will be come the beginning of next season) there has to be improvements in the concerning areas. He won’t get the fall back of the squad not being good enough next season. 

[One Team]

Pearson should get the summer and until the end of the year. If we aren’t comfortably mid table heading into 2023 then it may be time to make a change. Plenty of changes to come before then though.

[JoeAman08]

It wasn’t bad luck 5 late goals ago. Been bad management for months. This should have been an oddity after Blackpool on the first game of the season. Instead it is a staple of Bristol City FC. 

3 minutes ago, TomF said:

The summer and 10 games into next season I’d say. If we don’t see improvement by then I think his position starts to become unattainable  

Is there logic in that? He had last 15 or so of last season. Made his decisions and had 10 players walk and brought back 3. Then signed another 4(5 with Klose) and we are finishing the season much like we finished last season. If we sell players and let NP buy I believe it is going to set us back further. 

[Negan]

Just now, MarcusX said:

Today was just a good goal IMO. Happens far too often I agree, but sometimes you just have to hold your hands up.

We were much better today, they barely had a sniff at goal - a pen and a 93rd minute goal, no other shots on target.

Pearson gets the summer and start of next season for me - then it’s as good as his team. 

 

Yeah last minute goals happen, we got one last week. You know before the season starts you’re going to be on the receiving end of a few. It’s just happened WAY too much for my liking. Definitely isn’t something that can be taken in to the new season. The defence will be the biggest fix job this summer and he needs to get it right. 

[054123]

8 minutes ago, TomF said:

The summer and 10 games into next season I’d say. If we don’t see improvement by then I think his position starts to become unattainable  

Been saying this for a while.

However, our weak as piss mindset and individual errors have to be shouldered in the main by the players.

 

[Rich_s]

If there’s any leadership and true ambition at the club then he should be gone in the summer and a replacement already lined up. However I expect him to limp on for a while into next season. I’m amazed how the fans have by and large stuck with him. I believe this is more to do with the language he speaks post match and little to do with results which by and large have been midling to poor.

[tin]

SL has to back him in the summer IMO or we will be in real trouble next year. The current squad has some experience, plenty learning their trade and some who simply aren’t up to it.

The most important signing we could make is a sporting director or head of recruitment, otherwise I don’t think it matters who’s in charge. The same issues will preside. 

If he’s backed, he gets until the November IMO to show some real progress. If he’s not backed, I think he might walk and I wouldn’t blame him. The Lansdowns should go with him. 

EDIT: And I think it’s a bizarre question to ask after a good performance today. 

Edited March 19, 2022 by tin

[Barrs Court Red]

Depends on the ownership situation over the next 6 to 12 months I guess. 
 

Personally I would agree with Tom, that the summer and a block of games should be fair.  I’ll caveat that with the expectation that the summer window will see a number leave, and then be replaced.  If that doesn’t happen, then not sure what the point would be in him staying. 
 

Transfers (and the transfer strategy) will of course depend on whose running the club in the window.  New owners may choose to go in a different direction 

[Negan]

Just now, billywedlock said:

the issue this summer is not Pearson , it is recruitment . 
 

Of which he’s in control of? So if it goes wrong, he’ll be the one responsible having signed and organised the team. Which is what I’m questioning. We’re very lucky this season the bottom 4 is so bad and hit with point deductions. Don’t think the bottom of the league will be over with 12/14 games to go next season. 

[DaveInSA]

A 2-2 draw at home against a premier league parachute payment side. 

In isolation a good result.

And at the same time disappointing.

If the players cannot see out a win, why are they playing. What are they doing? It comes back to leadership again.

They don’t have the balls, the backbone, the nous, the know how, the brains, the leadership, the communication, the shithousery, the skills, the wisdom or the capability. To close out games. 

[054123]

3 minutes ago, Negan said:

Yeah last minute goals happen, we got one last week. You know before the season starts you’re going to be on the receiving end of a few. It’s just happened WAY too much for my liking. Definitely isn’t something that can be taken in to the new season. The defence will be the biggest fix job this summer and he needs to get it right. 

It’s not the last minute equalizers it’s the huge individual errors.

Were fortunate none of it matters to this season now.

 

[glynriley]

If the ref does his job and gives us a nailed on penalty these threads don’t emerge. By all means be pissed off with another last minute goal conceded, but ffs don’t call for the manager to go on the back of that performance. 

[Sturny]

3 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

Fans want overnight fixes to complex problems . It’s tiresome that so few understand the depth of a mess we have at the club . Change feels good because it means you enter another phase of uncertainty and something has happened . But if you keep doing that without fixing deep rooted issues at the club it matters little . We have done this for 20 years . Yet here we are again with a group of average over paid  players . In the past we got relegated during this phase . 
 

the issue this summer is not Pearson , it is recruitment . 
 

Overnight fixes? How long has he been here now. I’m not disagreeing with the rest of your post but I feel it’s fine to say he’s been given enough time for us to expect some sort of improvements. And imo we have seen some

[Fordy62]

26 transfer windows for Johnson is fine. 2 for Pearson and we’ve had enough. 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Rich_s said:

If there’s any leadership and true ambition at the club then he should be gone in the summer and a replacement already lined up. However I expect him to limp on for a while into next season. I’m amazed how the fans have by and large stuck with him. I believe this is more to do with the language he speaks post match and little to do with results which by and large have been midling to poor.

It’s more to do with realising that FFP wise we don’t have a ******* pot to piss in, presumably lost on you?

[rednotblue]

He certainly has to find a way to improve the defending. A commanding, ball winning, defensive organising centre half may be the answer.

Some of the defending is Sunday League stuff.

If you have to coach that then well I would be getting rid of the player.

 

 

[054123]

1 minute ago, Rich_s said:

 

If there’s any leadership and true ambition at the club……

 

 

35 years supporting this club and still yet to see it 

[Negan]

1 minute ago, glynriley said:

If the ref does his job and gives us a nailed on penalty these threads don’t emerge. By all means be pissed off with another last minute goal conceded, but ffs don’t call for the manager to go on the back of that performance. 

I haven’t called for him to go ffs 

[Red_Alligator]

It all depends upon how the transfer market goes for him over this summer. A very crucial point for him and the club as a whole. 

[Negan]

3 minutes ago, 054123 said:

It’s not the last minute equalizers it’s the huge individual errors.

Were fortunate none of it matters to this season now.

 

Part of me does wonder how many of the players are already on “holiday mode” the seasons been done for us for a good 4/5 games now. 

[glynriley]

1 minute ago, Negan said:

I haven’t called for him to go ffs 

Really? A horse by any other name 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Negan said:

Part of me does wonder how many of the players are already on “holiday mode” the seasons been done for us for a good 4/5 games now. 

Did you spot a lack of effort today? If so I’ll admit that passed me by………

[Sheltons Army]

10 minutes ago, Negan said:

I’d agree with that. I don’t think a manger has ever been given such leeway from our fan base as Nige has been given. Mostly because we all know what the challenges were. However after 18 months (I know it’s not 18 months yet but will be come the beginning of next season) there has to be improvements in the concerning areas. He won’t get the fall back of the squad not being good enough next season. 

Short memory

You only have to go back two head coaches when a side with Tammy Abraham under Wonderboy scrambled safe from relegation in the penultimate game with a surprise win at Brighton 

[Maltshoveller]

If we are near the bottom at xmas then may be start to ask questions

Im happy for him to have the time to sort it out

 

[Negan]

Just now, glynriley said:

Really? A horse by any other name 

The opening line is I’m not in the Pearson out camp…. Jesus Christ Glyn 

I still actually believe Nige can get it right. I’m just saying IF next season is a repeat of this, then we have to move on and try someone else. 

[bcfc01]

How long has Pearson got left ? Another season to see if the three year plan delivers tangible progress. That was the deal and I think it needs to be seen through. Just lots of very predictable knee jerking as usual. 

Sometimes credit has to be given to the opposition and I thought 2-2 today was a fair result regardless of when the goals were scored. I thought we would have to be at 100% to get anything out of the game and for WBA to be off their game to get a positive result - and so it proved.

Good hard earned point today against a very strong team and, imo, strange to bring up NPs future after this game.

 

[Negan]

1 minute ago, Numero Uno said:

Did you spot a lack of effort today? If so I’ll admit that passed me by………

No not saying there was lack of effort, just stating that it’s probably in some players heads now that the season is pretty much done. They’ll obviously always go out to win but the points aren’t as crucial anymore. Players will always have more fight and grit if there’s something to play for. There is the other side to that argument where teams like us can play a bit more freely and take more chances, hopefully that’s what we see from now until May. Plus I’m really hoping Andi can hit 20 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

We need to patient it will happen but it's a 5 season job 

[Ron W]

15 minutes ago, Rich_s said:

If there’s any leadership and true ambition at the club then he should be gone in the summer and a replacement already lined up. However I expect him to limp on for a while into next season. I’m amazed how the fans have by and large stuck with him. I believe this is more to do with the language he speaks post match and little to do with results which by and large have been midling to poor.

Non-leading question - who comes in? Will they do better with this squad? How will they circumvent the financial issues we have?

Edited March 19, 2022 by RonWalker

[joe jordans teeth]

23 minutes ago, TomF said:

The summer and 10 games into next season I’d say. If we don’t see improvement by then I think his position starts to become unattainable  

And then we go for a cheap out of work manager who is friendly with our owner and back to square one we go 

[BS3City]

I think we're in a position where we probably have to stick with NP irrespective. Assuming he gets an opportunity to trade in the summer, bringing in what he can solely based on what goes out - what would be the point in getting rid of him after 10 games (or whatever)? The new guy inherits a squad that he almost definitely won't want, which means we end up even further backwards than we are now. 

I honestly don't think we've got much choice...

[pillred]

2 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

We need to patient it will happen but it's a 5 season job 

I bloody well hope not.

[GrahamC]

Ages, I think.

I know it will piss some off but that was miles better today, beyond a health issue I can’t see a circumstance where he doesn’t start next season in charge.

[Northern Red]

2 minutes ago, RonWalker said:

Non-leading question - who comes in? Will they do better with this squad? How will they circumvent the financial issues we have?

Ah, the questions that none of the people screaming for Pearson to go can ever answer.

[Sheltons Army]

Why are you so confused @JonDolman

Its Fact 

Keep up

 

[DaveInSA]

1 minute ago, pillred said:

I bloody well hope not.

It’s been a 44 season job so far. Five more won’t hurt.

[cityexile]

9 minutes ago, Negan said:

No not saying there was lack of effort, just stating that it’s probably in some players heads now that the season is pretty much done. They’ll obviously always go out to win but the points aren’t as crucial anymore. Players will always have more fight and grit if there’s something to play for. There is the other side to that argument where teams like us can play a bit more freely and take more chances, hopefully that’s what we see from now until May. Plus I’m really hoping Andi can hit 20 

I thought to be honest first 20 both sides looked like they were on their hols. Much better from us today, would have taken a point at 80 gone, really disappointed we did not win, makes no difference really.

Edited March 19, 2022 by cityexile

[GrahamC]

17 minutes ago, glynriley said:

If the ref does his job and gives us a nailed on penalty these threads don’t emerge. By all means be pissed off with another last minute goal conceded, but ffs don’t call for the manager to go on the back of that performance. 

It was also very clearly our throw just after Martin & Wells were keeping the ball in the corner, too.

The ref was desperate to give them everything all game, should have done a little better after that but small margins.

I thought we played well today & looked more secure defensively than for some while.

[MarcusX]

21 minutes ago, glynriley said:

If the ref does his job and gives us a nailed on penalty these threads don’t emerge. By all means be pissed off with another last minute goal conceded, but ffs don’t call for the manager to go on the back of that performance. 

What nailed on penalty?

[bexhill reds]

17 minutes ago, Rich_s said:

If there’s any leadership and true ambition at the club then he should be gone in the summer and a replacement already lined up. However I expect him to limp on for a while into next season. I’m amazed how the fans have by and large stuck with him. I believe this is more to do with the language he speaks post match and little to do with results which by and large have been midling to poor.

I think he remains the right person for the job at hand. Half the issue is that player / depth strength doesn’t allow him to play in the formation and style he wants to, recruitment is key as is managing to keep key individuals fit.

Pearson seems to appreciate and accept the cash flow situation, attracting a new manager when we’ve got f’all in the pot would be challenging. 
 

 

[Ron W]

5 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Ah, the questions that none of the people screaming for Pearson to go can ever answer.

Is that how it is? I haven't read much of OTIB for a while. Always difficult to balance where you are against where you theoretically should be, and if there is a convincing argument as to why Pearson should be replaced then... Well, why not. But as you say, much easier to say than to justify.

[maxjak]

He's got around 22 Months left, from what i can tell?    Unless of course he continues to kick "last second crumbles"..................Whatever The Pheck that means?

[Galley is our king]

1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

What nailed on penalty?

Possibly 2 actually.

Weimann fouled followed up by a definite handball.

[Street red]

25 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

26 transfer windows for Johnson is fine. 2 for Pearson and we’ve had enough. 

Pearsons had COVID without fans and a club that's 30 million in debt and Johnson he had Christmas presents under the tree from grandad lansdown.

Edited March 19, 2022 by Street red

[DaveF]

We just drew 2-2 with West Brom and we are comfortably safe, I'm sure he has a while left 

[Street red]

1 minute ago, DaveF said:

We just drew 2-2 with West Brom and we are comfortably safe, I'm sure he has a while left 

Yep the 3 years of his contract.

[bexhill reds]

3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

What nailed on penalty?

I’d like the see the highlights of the potential handball in their box towards the end where even Pearson went mental at the 4th official, but then again today’s **** with whistle really wasn’t include to give us anything…..

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Hmm. You confused emojiied me saying about watching Carlton Morris of Barnsley.

Lets chat about that one first?

I tipped my hat to you on that (he has still only scored 6, though) but completely baffled why you think my post was funny?

[Nugget]

The season has had some stop start moments with Pearson’s health. The board stood by him then, there’ll be a chance to clear some more players out - Palmer, Wells & O’Dowda will def be off & hopefully bring in some savvy replacements. I think the Lansdown’s will be delighted to stay in the Championship, remember the chat when it was looking a bit brown pants time from Gould saying their Summer targets may need to be brought forward in Jan… Results improved & we are safe so will be interesting to see who these targets are & that will probably gauge the expectation of next Season & probably the opinion of fans as we know he’s working with what he’s got & see what the team looks like on the first game of next season, could be a big overhaul. 

[italian dave]

27 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

26 transfer windows for Johnson is fine. 2 for Pearson and we’ve had enough. 

I’m not sure it’s fair to count Gary’s and Lee’s both together.

[Merrick's Marvels]

He can have the full length of his contract and then some more from me. If we lose a few bedwetting supporters along the way, so much the better. 

[Kibs]

As frustrating as hell as this season has been, I’d have thought he’s got plenty of time on his side yet. 

[DaveInSA]

3 minutes ago, Nugget said:

The season has had some stop start moments with Pearson’s health. The board stood by him then, there’ll be a chance to clear some more players out - Palmer, Wells & O’Dowda will def be off & hopefully bring in some savvy replacements. I think the Lansdown’s will be delighted to stay in the Championship, remember the chat when it was looking a bit brown pants time from Gould saying their Summer targets may need to be brought forward in Jan… Results improved & we are safe so will be interesting to see who these targets are & that will probably gauge the expectation of next Season & probably the opinion of fans as we know he’s working with what he’s got & see what the team looks like on the first game of next season, could be a big overhaul. 

I’d love to know who is going to buy Wells and Palmer. COD is deffo off.

[GTFABM]

5 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

He can have the full length of his contract and then some more from me. If we lose a few bedwetting supporters along the way, so much the better. 

What makes you so confident in him? I’m not saying you are wrong or that i have any idea who would do a better job. Just why the blind optimism?

[Sturny]

23 minutes ago, RonWalker said:

Non-leading question - who comes in? Will they do better with this squad? How will they circumvent the financial issues we have?

20 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Ah, the questions that none of the people screaming for Pearson to go can ever answer.

Someone with a proven track record and experi..... wait 

Edited March 19, 2022 by Sturny

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, DaveInSA said:

I’d love to know who is going to buy Wells and Palmer. COD is deffo off.

I could see someone offering us a small amount for Wells, he might not be everyone’s cup of tea but when he gets a chance (like today), he’s effective.

Agree re Palmer, total waste of everyone’s time.

[Sheltons Army]

13 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Hmm. You confused emojiied me saying about watching Carlton Morris of Barnsley.

Lets chat about that one first?

Awww Bless  

[Slack Bladder]

Thought he could have killed the game in injury time today by using the 2 subs at his disposal. What ever happened to taking off the player furthest player away from the dugout and let them canter off.

Edited March 19, 2022 by Slack Bladder

[downendcity]

4 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

Thought he could have killed the game in injury time today by using the 2 subs at his disposal. What ever happened to taking off the player furthest player away from the dugout and let them canter off.

The ref would add another 5 minutes, giving West Brom enough time to get the winner! 

[bexhill reds]

5 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

Thought he could have killed the game in injury time today by using the 2 subs at his disposal. What ever happened to taking off the player furthest player away from the dugout and let them canter off.

Don’t think there was sufficient opportunity to get a sub on, perhaps if we’d got the throw-in right at the end, which was arguable…

[Roger Red Hat]

FFS.

[Loosey Boy]

40 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

26 transfer windows for Johnson is fine. 2 for Pearson and we’ve had enough. 

Some people ‘eh @Fordy62 
 

We’ve just been more than a match for a team who should be in the top two or three, based on the wages/transfer fees paid and yet people are questioning NP!

Give the bloke a PROPER chance, once he’s finished clearing up the mess created by LJ and MA and then, we may just have a chance to move on.

Really encouraging performance today…..

COYRs

[GrahamC]

6 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

Thought he could have killed the game in injury time today by using the 2 subs at his disposal. What ever happened to taking off the player furthest player away from the dugout and let them canter off.

Never understand his reluctance to make a late sub, any of Vyner, Benarous or Owers could have come on & as you say broken play up.

Think you have to go off at the nearest point now but still don’t understand why we only used 1 sub as we went into injury time.

[AshtonGreat]

49 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

Fans want overnight fixes to complex problems . It’s tiresome that so few understand the depth of a mess we have at the club . Change feels good because it means you enter another phase of uncertainty and something has happened . But if you keep doing that without fixing deep rooted issues at the club it matters little . We have done this for 20 years . Yet here we are again with a group of average over paid  players . In the past we got relegated during this phase . 
 

the issue this summer is not Pearson , it is recruitment . 
 

It is Pearson's issue if we're conceding at least two goals almost every game. 

[Red-Robbo]

If Reach's goal was in the 85th minute and Weimann's in the 93td we'd all be chuffed to bits.

At the end if the day, we more than matched a team with a big budget and promotion aspirations. 

It was scrappy in places, but we were 110% better than we were at Barnsley. I think most of the side had pretty good games.

I don't think days like today make Pearson's departure any closer. 

[The Bard]

28 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Unlucky today from what I saw, but this carrying on may well see him gone sooner rather than later. 

That's barebones as basics haven't been sorted, not consistent and woeful at times

From what I did see  WBA did an us after we scored and retreated into shells. 

As stated previously now veering to see change, we simply cant go on this way week after week month after month, something has to give and which way that will be who knows. 

You're imagining a crisis when their plainly isn't one.

 

No one is fooled by 'veering for change'. You've always wanted him gone but couldn't justify it rationally.

[Silvio Dante]

Just now, GrahamC said:

Never understand his reluctance to make a late sub, any of Vyner, Benarous or Owers could have come on & as you say broken play up.

Think you have to go off at the nearest point now but still don’t understand why we only used 1 sub as we went into injury time.

Yeah I’d agree there. I actually don’t put the last minute goal today down to any kind of psychological thing - we actually did the right behaviours of going for corners etc and were unlucky on decisions such as the throw. I think the making a tactical sub was the only thing missing in what you’d expect from game management 90+ minutes

[Tin Soldier]

1 hour ago, billywedlock said:

Fans want overnight fixes to complex problems . It’s tiresome that so few understand the depth of a mess we have at the club . Change feels good because it means you enter another phase of uncertainty and something has happened . But if you keep doing that without fixing deep rooted issues at the club it matters little . We have done this for 20 years . Yet here we are again with a group of average over paid  players . In the past we got relegated during this phase . 
 

the issue this summer is not Pearson , it is recruitment . 
 

Agreed. The club has been run abysmally for many, many years. It is a shithouse of a setup impacted by the “Bristol Sport” ideaology and the eagerness to sell any decent family silver that come along, and more often than not replace with monkeys - LJ/Ashton era.

Getting rid of NP will make absolutely no difference until the deep rooted problems within the club are addressed, which NP and RG are trying to address. Ignore the idiots on here.

Edited March 19, 2022 by Tin Soldier