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Thought this might get lost in the match day thread but does anyone know if the club uses or has used a sports psychologist?

I’ve thought for years O’Dowda has been crying out for one (not literally of course) and lots of the last minute and injury time goals we concede suggest that others in the squad might do too as they’ve been a mental thing like getting deeper and deeper or making really poor decisions 

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We needed one in August.

Home to Blackpool, winning and conceded a stoppage time equaliser.

A few nights later away to FGR, winning and conceded a stoppage time equaliser.

That was when the rot set in; the players were then convinced they are incapable of winning. 

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12 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Been saying this for months, falls on deaf ears. 

Think the team have ptsd over late goals. 

No one listens 

How do you know they don’t?

Id almost guarantee they do, whether the team specifically has one or many players just speak to someone.

Tyrone Mings came out and said he speaks to his just before every game, I think it’s pretty common these days

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I’ve just put similar to this on another thread, but people who think the last minute goal today was anything to do with “psychology” are wrong. We displayed exactly the right behaviours post 90 minutes.

- Free kick given. Don’t flood forward. Check.

- Taking free kick. Wells and Martin try and keep in corner. Check.

- Pring gets ball with chance to drive into box. Goes for corner. Check.

I’d agree in prior games on the 90+ front we have displayed the wrong behaviours and looked scared. That didn’t happen today, and it was pure and simple, unlucky. People tying it to psychology are, ironically, amateur psychologists.

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56 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Been saying this for months, falls on deaf ears. 

Think the team have ptsd over late goals. 

No one listens 

….and you’ve told OTIB…if you feel strongly, raise it with the club.  What do you want OTIB to do about it?

Maybe they already have one in?

How about about our injury time winner just 7 days ago…

??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

6 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’ve just put similar to this on another thread, but people who think the last minute goal today was anything to do with “psychology” are wrong. We displayed exactly the right behaviours post 90 minutes.

- Free kick given. Don’t flood forward. Check.

- Taking free kick. Wells and Martin try and keep in corner. Check.

- Pring gets ball with chance to drive into box. Goes for corner. Check.

I’d agree in prior games on the 90+ front we have displayed the wrong behaviours and looked scared. That didn’t happen today, and it was pure and simple, unlucky. People tying it to psychology are, ironically, amateur psychologists.

Pearson said Livermore offside, was he?

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

….and you’ve told OTIB…if you feel strongly, raise it with the club.  What do you want OTIB to do about it?

Maybe they already have one in?

How about about our injury time winner just 7 days ago…

??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

Pearson said Livermore offside, was he?

Didn’t think so. This is the best screengrab I have at the moment, just before ball played:

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1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Been saying this for months, falls on deaf ears. 

Think the team have ptsd over late goals. 

No one listens 

I hear ya- felt the same as I walked out today, I used to feel very disappointed with it (I still do really) but I actually just laugh about it now.

Mentally this set of players are very weak.

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22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

….and you’ve told OTIB…if you feel strongly, raise it with the club.  What do you want OTIB to do about it?

Maybe they already have one in?

How about about our injury time winner just 7 days ago…

??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

Pearson said Livermore offside, was he?

**** me dave he is allowed to have an opinion. Stop acting like what you say is fact. 

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20 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

**** me dave he is allowed to have an opinion. Stop acting like what you say is fact. 

**** me Joe, what facts did I quote?  I raised a question about whether they might have one, and I raised another question as to how they won in injury time last week without a psychologist.

Its clear from your recent posts, you’re now Pearson out.  I’m fine with your opinion, but don’t have a go at my post by accusing me of writing something I didn’t…because I asked a question of someone who holds the same view as yours.

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I used reverse physiology on the drive home. I I imagined we were 2-1 down with 20 seconds to go and bagged a last kick of the game equaliser and picked up a 2-2 point against s team I expected us to get tanked by.

It worked for me. Can enjoy my Saturday night now ?COYR

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2 minutes ago, richyy66 said:

I used reverse physiology on the drive home. I I imagined we were 2-1 down with 20 seconds to go and bagged a last kick of the game equaliser and picked up a 2-2 point against s team I expected us to get tanked by.

It worked for me. Can enjoy my Saturday night now ?COYR

Sounds good to me,I’m going down town to pick the ugliest bird about and chat her up and then go back to the wife  being grateful 

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15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

**** me Joe, what facts did I quote?  I raised a question about whether they might have one, and I raised another question as to how they won in injury time last week without a psychologist.

Its clear from your recent posts, you’re now Pearson out.  I’m fine with your opinion, but don’t have a go at my post by accusing me of writing something I didn’t…because I asked a question of someone who holds the same view as yours.

He is posting on a public forum. Raise it with the club? What kind of shit is that? It is his opinion it doesn’t matter how he says it. A forum doesn’t mean he thinks what he says is right. Felt like an attack on him to me. 

 

14 minutes ago, TBW said:

Who shat in your lunch?

No one but what we need to remember is dave is a fan like everyone. Some spreadsheets don’t make him right or wrong. It felt like an attack to me and if I misread if than so be it but people are allowed to express themselves. 

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6 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Raise it with the club? What kind of shit is that?

Exactly as it says.  If she feels so strongly about it, raise it with the club, OTIB can’t do anything about it.  From the posts from her, she appears to be a strong character, knows her own mind significantly enough to maybe feel that she could raise it with the club.  Hence why not raise it with the club.

As Harry has found, the current set up at the club is no longer the closed shop it was under Ashton, and Gould is very approachable and open.  

8 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Some spreadsheets don’t make him right or wrong.

You’ll find the vast majority of my posts don’t involve any spreadsheets.  But they are a good way to convey information and / or opinion.  And that post you attacked was nothing to do with being right or wrong.  It merely asked two questions.

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4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Exactly as it says.  If she feels so strongly about it, raise it with the club, OTIB can’t do anything about it.  From the posts from her, she appears to be a strong character, knows her own mind significantly enough to maybe feel that she could raise it with the club.  Hence why not raise it with the club.

As Harry has found, the current set up at the club is no longer the closed shop it was under Ashton, and Gould is very approachable and open.  

You’ll find the vast majority of my posts don’t involve any spreadsheets.  But they are a good way to convey information and / or opinion.  And that post you attacked was nothing to do with being right or wrong.  It merely asked two questions.

Dave lets be fair. You’re feeling yourself far too much. 

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21 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

To be fair, what Dave does in his bedroom isn’t a door any of us want to open…

 

12 minutes ago, GTFABM said:

Anticipation Popcorn GIF

Look I said what I said. Some seem to think because someone posts some spreadsheets that an opinion is more valid than others. I remember when dave was first posting on here now it is like he is some mecca of football information. If he was that good the club would employ him and we would not be in the mess we are in. Hell other day he said he is impressed with Gould. **** me we don‘t think Bristol City’s CEO can spout some shit to some basic “fanalyst?” The club is a mess and davefevs trying to bully other posters ain‘T gonna fly with me. I don’t care how many graphs he posts

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10 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

 

Look I said what I said. Some seem to think because someone posts some spreadsheets that an opinion is more valid than others. I remember when dave was first posting on here now it is like he is some mecca of football information. If he was that good the club would employ him and we would not be in the mess we are in. Hell other day he said he is impressed with Gould. **** me we don‘t think Bristol City’s CEO can spout some shit to some basic “fanalyst?” The club is a mess and davefevs trying to bully other posters ain‘T gonna fly with me. I don’t care how many graphs he posts

Who took a piss in your cornflakes?

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2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Why hasn’t anyone else thought of thought,Uri Geller can make a ball move at the last minute so let’s get him involved as well 

Too right, let’s spend the summer throwing everything at it then next season we do everything the same as this, except the last few minutes and we’ll be in the play offs.

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Behave,this isn’t a war they are coming back from Its bloody football,just like at the start of last season when we scoring goals late on it happens and that’s it ,do your bloody job which is defending 

Successful teams deploy one. I’m perfectly aware football and war are different, I’m also aware that the club should do things that improve results. 

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5 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Successful teams deploy one. I’m perfectly aware football and war are different, I’m also aware that the club should do things that improve results. 

And if its not a psychological issue?

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Sounds good to me,I’m going down town to pick the ugliest bird about and chat her up and then go back to the wife  being grateful 

Funnily enough, Mrs JJ's teeth is also going down town to pick the ugliest guy.........,......:D

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3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Who are these successful teams may I ask 

Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea all use one. Many others too but I don’t have time to do a club by club breakdown. The way I see it; look at some of the money we’ve wasted on salaries of late. One less Gustav Engvall gets us a psychologist. And if it isn’t a psychological issue @Lrrr, then I’ll hold my hands up and say experiment failed. But the cost to risk ratio means it’s surely bonkers not to try?

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Just now, BCFCGav said:

Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea all use one. Many others too but I don’t have time to do a club by club breakdown. The way I see it; look at some of the money we’ve wasted on salaries of late. One less Gustav Engvall gets us a psychologist. And if it isn’t a psychological issue @Lrrr, then I’ll hold my hands up and say experiment failed. But the cost to risk ratio means it’s surely bonkers not to try?

Bloody hell cmon mate,if Chelsea Liverpool or Man City had Chris Martin up front they wouldn’t be winning shit,likewise if they had our back four,you can’t honestly be thinking a psychologist would sort our problems out,Man United also have one but doesn’t seem to be working to well

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17 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Your mother but that got me going

Charming

But unless the poster is a sport psychologist its not exactly their area of expertise to claim the team has ptsd in overtime etc and talks like they're some sort of mystic meg whose automatically correct.

Whereas you clearly seem to have an issue/axe to grind with fevs, to criticise someone for analysing City to a greater depth than most, their opinion is valid because they talk well not because of what they do. Also the club listens to him more than most on this forum with regards to your jibe about if he was so good the club would employ him. Then to accuse him of bullying over a simple comment shows your issue as well.

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33 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

 

Look I said what I said. Some seem to think because someone posts some spreadsheets that an opinion is more valid than others. I remember when dave was first posting on here now it is like he is some mecca of football information. If he was that good the club would employ him and we would not be in the mess we are in. Hell other day he said he is impressed with Gould. **** me we don‘t think Bristol City’s CEO can spout some shit to some basic “fanalyst?” The club is a mess and davefevs trying to bully other posters ain‘T gonna fly with me. I don’t care how many graphs he posts

Wow.

Really no need for any of your posts that you’ve attached me with tonight.

Glad you got it off your chest.

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3 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Charming

But unless the poster is a sport psychologist its not exactly their area of expertise to claim the team has ptsd in overtime etc and talks like they're some sort of mystic meg whose automatically correct.

Whereas you clearly seem to have an issue/axe to grind with fevs, to criticise someone for analysing City to a greater depth than most, their opinion is valid because they talk well not because of what they do. Also the club listens to him more than most on this forum with regards to your jibe about if he was so good the club would employ him. Then to accuse him of bullying over a simple comment shows your issue as well.

The club don’t listen to him at all because he is a fan not an analyst. The poster expressed his opinion if not the best wording and had a “fanaylst” basically tell him his opinion is shit.  I am walking away from this conversation now though and hope everyone else can too

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Wow.

Really no need for any of your posts that you’ve attached me with tonight.

Glad you got it off your chest.

Don’t try and take the high road because you have no life and try to crunch championship stats. You were out of line and bullying. I can get more off my chest next away day. Oh wait you won’t be there. You watch **** all and come off as some ******* expert because you read a book. 

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1 minute ago, JoeAman08 said:

The club don’t listen to him at all because he is a fan not an analyst. The poster expressed his opinion if not the best wording and had a “fanaylst” basically tell him his opinion is shit.  I am walking away from this conversation now though and hope everyone else can too

You got it wrong, I didn’t tell @Tafkarmlf her opinion is shit. Far from it.

But for whatever reason, you then decide to go on a complete “slagging” of me….not very nice really Joe….but then you decide after firing lots of shot, that you’ll run off and everyone else ought to too.  Nice touch, ya.

 

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2 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Hi Dave, I've emailed regarding a few things over time regarding the club, to date had no response whatsoever, not even an acknowledgement that emails have been received. 

So when I say no one listens, then in my experience, they haven't. 

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To who ever said about ptsd and war. Whilst it is prevalent amongst ex forces ptsd and cptsd are not just caused by war. 

They're caused by repeated and prolonged exposure to trauma. 

Performing in front of thousands of fans each week, trapped on a pitch and repeating the same thing over and over would certainly qualify for prolonged and persistent repetitive trauma. 

Really decent and clear explanation here about it 

https://www.rethink.org/advice-and-information/about-mental-illness/learn-more-about-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/

I hope that clarifies things for a few people. 

 

 

 

Well that’s a shame.  Thanks for replying.

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7 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Don’t try and take the high road because you have no life and try to crunch championship stats. You were out of line and bullying. I can get more off my chest next away day. Oh wait you won’t be there. You watch **** all and come off as some ******* expert because you read a book. 

Hahaha.

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You got it wrong, I didn’t tell @Tafkarmlf her opinion is shit. Far from it.

But for whatever reason, you then decide to go on a complete “slagging” of me….not very nice really Joe….but then you decide after firing lots of shot, that you’ll run off and everyone else ought to too.  Nice touch, ya.

 

I’m going on a hunch here, a New York cops gut feeling if you will…

I don’t think joe is your biggest fan…

There, I said it, it’s out there. 

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1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Hahaha.

 

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Hahaha.

 

11 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Don’t try and take the high road because you have no life and try to crunch championship stats. You were out of line and bullying. I can get more off my chest next away day. Oh wait you won’t be there. You watch **** all and come off as some ******* expert because you read a book. 

Oh well, at least he comes off as intelligent, informed and courteous. Have nice evenings, everyone. 

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1 hour ago, BCFCGav said:

And if it isn’t a psychological issue @Lrrr, then I’ll hold my hands up and say experiment failed. But the cost to risk ratio means it’s surely bonkers not to try?

Watching this goal back its not psychological to me its just basics not being done. When Robinson gets on the ball James is tight to Livermore tracking him back, a second or so before the pass James decides to detach himself from Livermore for some reason, he's not offside so should stay with him given he (James) has City players either side of him not marking anyone so could go to Robinson if needed. So there's issue one. The second issue is Pring allowing Reach to just make the run between himself and Atkinson so freely, no one tight to him, I've criticised Atkinson previously this season for not knowing where players are around him and this is another occasion, between the two of them someone has to be tight on Reach given City have an overload of players in the middle of the pitch there, but Reach is allowed to just stroll through the back line and City's defenders can't do anything because its too late. 

Not psychological for me, just poor quality.

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1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

The club don’t listen to him at all because he is a fan not an analyst. The poster expressed his opinion if not the best wording and had a “fanaylst” basically tell him his opinion is shit.  I am walking away from this conversation now though and hope everyone else can too

If you’re going to defend someone from bullying, it’s probably not the most respectful move to continually mis-gender them.

As for Dave, his posts are far more interesting and insightful than anything you’ve shared tonight IMO.

Made a bit of a tit of yourself tonight, that hangovers going to sting in the morning I think

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

As do Arsenal Manchester United and Norwich to name a few unsuccessful clubs 

Your question was regarding successful clubs. The majority of clubs, and indeed sportsmen are unsuccessful because in sport they have to be. The winners are the minority. 

In football the game obviously has three results. Psychology applies to losing teams. Sean Dyche employs psychologists at Burnley, a team whose success can be measured by their existence in the Premier league, and a team who in reality cannot win regularly. Burnley's mental challenges will not be the same as Man City’s and defeat will have to be kept in perspective and managed. 

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