Callum O’Dowda - what a bargain?

[Guest]

We seem to ship a few rejects South Wales way Cod could easily go in that direction as well

[swanker]

On 22/03/2022 at 13:25, supercidered said:

I'm a bit surprised that nobody has said ' Wherever he goes, I will drive him there myself' 

As long as he pays for the petrol I might?

[Ska Junkie]

On 22/03/2022 at 13:25, supercidered said:

I'm a bit surprised that nobody has said ' Wherever he goes, I will drive him there myself' 

Nobody can afford to scr!!

My pickup averages 28 mpg, I ain't using it!

[Jerseybean]

According to this negotiations are alive re him staying on reduced terms +there’s  interest from elsewhere https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/bristol-city-transfer-notebook-ireland-winger-contract-talks-marlon-pack-and-derby-county-defender-latest-3692979

[cityloyal473]

If he stays I’ll throw up. 

[One Team]

Good grief. 

I hope this is press nonsense, he should be the first one out the door this close season. 

[Red-Robbo]

28 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

If he stays I’ll throw up. 

 

Well that beats "I shall boo"  

[Pezo]

Please put us all out of our misery (including him) and let him go.

There was a potential player in there 3 seasons ago but he hasn't progressed and the ability to exploit potential has already been pushed to it's limits with seemingly no improvement.

[Davefevs]

Much will depend on whether City think they can get better for what they’re prepared to offer in revised terms to Callum.

[And Its Smith]

Come on Callum. Sign on.  Pearson obviously rates him. 

[Sleepy1968]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Much will depend on whether City think they can get better for what they’re prepared to offer in revised terms to Callum.

and whether there is a club prepared to pay nearer what COD thinks he's worth. He's had his lot as far as I'm concerned.

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, cityloyal473 said:

If he stays I’ll throw up. 

 

47 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Well that beats "I shall boo"  

I’ll raise you 

 

 

[Gilli74]

The return for what we’ve paid him so far means that even on a reduced salary it’ll still be too much .. the guys robbed us blind for what he’s offered on the pitch … 

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

and whether there is a club prepared to pay nearer what COD thinks he's worth. He's had his lot as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, of course.  Could be using “interest elsewhere” as leverage for trying to get more here.  We know he doesn’t want to move.

[KegCity]

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, of course.  Could be using “interest elsewhere” as leverage for trying to get more here.  We know he doesn’t want to move.

Because the only way is down. Can't blame him at all, he's managed to survive here for some time whilst doing very little, why would he want to leave his comfort zone?

[GrahamC]

49 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Come on Callum. Sign on.  Pearson obviously rates him. 

I see what you’re doing there..

[Bernard Lerring]

58 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Come on Callum. Sign on. 

The dole?

[And Its Smith]

13 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I see what you’re doing there..

What am I doing ?  I want COD to stay. 

[Red Army 75]

I think a player can be at a club to long. And this is what I think about COD. I reckon for his own career he should move. Get the fire in the belly going again 

[REDOXO]

39 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, of course.  Could be using “interest elsewhere” as leverage for trying to get more here.  We know he doesn’t want to move.

Unfortunately he has been injured often and has been a bit hit or miss when able to play. Is there a consistent player in there?…..Maybe! If Pearson thinks he can do something with him and keep him fit, then give it a whirl, the past is not necessarily a guide to the future, however it’s the only one we have. 

[Agard Days Night]

If he does stay, I can see him playing up top and having a prolific impact like when Bobby moved further forward. 

[Red Army 75]

Just now, Agard Days Night said:

If he does stay, I can see him playing up top and having a prolific impact like when Bobby moved further forward. 

Who would you replace out of interest 

[LondonBristolian]

I've got to be honest. I'm concerned about his fitness and don't really understand how he fits into our squad. I think - much like Paterson last year - a fresh start might be good for everyone but, if he signs, then I'll be hoping he proves me wrong. 

[Jerseybean]

39 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

I think a player can be at a club to long. And this is what I think about COD. I reckon for his own career he should move. Get the fire in the belly going again 

Tend to agree as was the case with Patterson 

[Agard Days Night]

40 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Who would you replace out of interest 

Ready made replacement for Semenyo.

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Unfortunately he has been injured often and has been a bit hit or miss when able to play. Is there a consistent player in there?…..Maybe! If Pearson thinks he can do something with him and keep him fit, then give it a whirl, the past is not necessarily a guide to the future, however it’s the only one we have. 

My view has always been I don’t think he’s crap….I don’t think he’s as bad as some make out, nor as good as some others do either.  He frustrates me because he has some ability and doesn’t make best use of it, and allows some of his weaknesses come to the fore too often.

Personally I’d like to see whether we can find someone better.

But I’m not gonna threaten to get a season ticket refund if he re-signs on a sensible wage, either.

We have a manager who I have a lot of faith in.  If he feels Callum isn’t worth exercising his contract on £x’000 p.w, but feels he can be a contributing squad member on £y’000 p.w, then I’m fine with it.  Who knows, other signings, tweaked systems, etc, might bring out the best of him.

I don’t necessarily buy “Pearson rates him” anymore than “Pearson wants shot”….Nige wants people committed to being on the bus…how they play and train (in relation to those they’re in competition with) will determine how often they get picked.  He’s pretty fair in that respect.

On a fitness side:

Positives, no recurring hamstring issues from season before

Negatives: can you do much about contact injury v Blackpool and twisting knee v Reading

 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Agard Days Night said:

Ready made replacement for Semenyo.

Centre forward?  In a pair with Chris Martin, with Weimann behind?

[Harry]

I’d be happy to keep him, on the proviso that we get our value for money. 
 

Let’s say he’s been on £15k per week for the last 3 years. That’s means he’d have earned £2.34m. 
Value for Money for him, in my opinion would be no more than 7.5k per week. 
If we extend him for 3 more years, £7.5k per week over the total 6 year period would be £2.34m. 
Therefore, as we’ve already got the maximum value out of him, if he’s ok with £0 per week, then I’d be happy to give him another 3 years. 
 

I think that’s fair. 

[Northern Red]

6 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

Ready made replacement for Semenyo.

No he isn't you absolute danger.

Stop this.

[Jeez]

Time to move on, he hasn't done it consistently yet for us, so the law of averages suggest he isn't likely to either. Maybe a useful squad player on lower wage but he should really test his value with other clubs, international, good age lots of champ experience should get plenty of interest & IMO he could do with the fresh start.

Much more interesting to see new players come in who may be able to take us forward

Really nice guy & great with the young fans but believe it would just be better for all parties to move on.

[Unan]

If we can’t get anyone better then I say we keep him, which would obviously be on highly reduced terms if we’re presuming there aren’t any better alternatives.

I actually don’t mind him when his only job is to play forwards, with a back 4 + 1/2 proper defensive midfielders I can see a role for him.

If we’re planning to keep a back 5 or utilise him in a defence role then he has to be let go, in my opinion.

[Agard Days Night]

29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Centre forward?  In a pair with Chris Martin, with Weimann behind?

Precisely. Great minds, eh, Dave!

[BCFC Grim]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Come on Callum. Sign on.  Pearson obviously rates him. 

Is that enough for you? 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Reports are that there is significant Championship in him. Such as who? Haven't seen a single team mentioned. 

[Agard Days Night]

29 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

No he isn't you absolute danger.

Stop this.

Stop what? Having an opinion?

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, Agard Days Night said:

If he does stay, I can see him playing up top and having a prolific impact like when Bobby moved further forward. 

I can’t see it myself but, if you turn out to be right, you’ll have earned the right to brag about your good judgement for years!

[GrahamC]

14 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

Stop what? Having an opinion?

8 goals in 160 games, seems obvious to me.

Might as well suggest Max O’Leary.

[BetterRedthanBlue]

Good player but is too inconsistent for me. If he leaves then I wish him all the best. If he signs at reduced terms I hope he gets the bit between his teeth and knuckles down for a chance in the side.

[SBB]

Reduced terms or not, I hope he leaves. Doesn’t offer enough on the pitch and for me, was part of the cosy culture we’ve been trying to eradicate. 

[Agard Days Night]

35 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

8 goals in 160 games, seems obvious to me.

Might as well suggest Max O’Leary.

I assume you were clamouring for Ivan Lucic to lead the line when Reid was filling his boots each week?

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Reports are that there is significant Championship in him. Such as who? Haven't seen a single team mentioned. 

Cardiff, Swansea, Stoke…is the goss.

[Sir Geoff]

44 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

8 goals in 160 games, seems obvious to me.

Might as well suggest Max O’Leary.

And not many more assists, I suspect.

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

My view has always been I don’t think he’s crap….I don’t think he’s as bad as some make out, nor as good as some others do either.  He frustrates me because he has some ability and doesn’t make best use of it, and allows some of his weaknesses come to the fore too often.

Personally I’d like to see whether we can find someone better.

But I’m not gonna threaten to get a season ticket refund if he re-signs on a sensible wage, either.

We have a manager who I have a lot of faith in.  If he feels Callum isn’t worth exercising his contract on £x’000 p.w, but feels he can be a contributing squad member on £y’000 p.w, then I’m fine with it.  Who knows, other signings, tweaked systems, etc, might bring out the best of him.

I don’t necessarily buy “Pearson rates him” anymore than “Pearson wants shot”….Nige wants people committed to being on the bus…how they play and train (in relation to those they’re in competition with) will determine how often they get picked.  He’s pretty fair in that respect.

On a fitness side:

Positives, no recurring hamstring issues from season before

Negatives: can you do much about contact injury v Blackpool and twisting knee v Reading

 

My personal view is that he is not mentally strong enough. He disappears in games, however clearly he does have ability that we have seen in flashes, wasn’t it at Norwich where he beat a boat load of players and scored? Anyone that would try and sell that as a fluke would be a bit nuts. 

IF Pearson wants him or is thinking he might we have the Weimann situation all over again with contracts. And that ended pretty satisfactorily after a long term injury (there were a boat load of people on here who wanted him gone as well)

There would only be one reason to offer him a new deal and that is if Pearson thinks he could toughen him up mentally and physically, while also making him consistent. 
 

You maybe correct about some injuries, but after a while you start thinking about being injury prone. But, to be frank, City have a long and storied history of taking a chance on players who have clogged treatment rooms, of which the obvious one to work out was Webster……among a plethora of failure. 

Ultimately if he stays it’s on Mr Pearson and if he thinks the value is there versus buying/getting in someone else that is OOC then I’m all over it!

 

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Cardiff, Swansea, Stoke…is the goss.

Yeah as I said Weimannesque!

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

My personal view is that he is not mentally strong enough. He disappears in games, however clearly he does have ability that we have seen in flashes, wasn’t it at Norwich where he beat a boat load of players and scored? Anyone that would try and sell that as a fluke would be a bit nuts. 

IF Pearson wants him or is thinking he might we have the Weimann situation all over again with contracts. And that ended pretty satisfactorily after a long term injury (there were a boat load of people on here who wanted him gone as well)

There would only be one reason to offer him a new deal and that is if Pearson thinks he could toughen him up mentally and physically, while also making him consistent. 
 

You maybe correct about some injuries, but after a while you start thinking about being injury prone. But, to be frank, City have a long and storied history of taking a chance on players who have clogged treatment rooms, of which the obvious one to work out was Webster……among a plethora of failure. 

Ultimately if he stays it’s on Mr Pearson and if he thinks the value is there versus buying/getting in someone else that is OOC then I’m all over it!

 

 

[Curr Avon]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Cardiff, Swansea, Stoke…is the goss.

Jeremy?

[And Its Smith]

1 hour ago, BCFC Grim said:

Is that enough for you? 

Nope. Never said it was. Just making a point. Weird how fans trust Pearson but hate COD, a player that Pearson appears to rate!

[GrahamC]

44 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

I assume you were clamouring for Ivan Lucic to lead the line when Reid was filling his boots each week?

You really think there are similarities between Reid & O’Dowda, honestly?

 

[Dolman_Stand]

Really don't see the point in renewing with COD, he's gone stale here and probably needs a move somewhere else for his own sake.

[TheReds]

48 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Nope. Never said it was. Just making a point. Weird how fans trust Pearson but hate COD, a player that Pearson appears to rate!

Hate?? Maybe a few do, but the huge majority don't. Any manager can rate a player, but when that player doesn't do it consistently on the pitch in actual League games, then fans surely have a right to think the player just isn't good enough (generally). If Pearson thinks he can somehow change him to being more consistent then I hope he's right (and so would every City fan), but all things considered, in the 6 years he has been here he has been poor overall. 

[One Team]

5 minutes ago, TheReds said:

Hate?? Maybe a few do, but the huge majority don't. Any manager can rate a player, but when that player doesn't do it consistently on the pitch in actual League games, then fans surely have a right to think the player just isn't good enough (generally). If Pearson thinks he can somehow change him to being more consistent then I hope he's right (and so would every City fan), but all things considered, in the 6 years he has been here he has been poor overall. 

Agreed. I don’t hate him, in fact from what I understand from those who know him he’s a really nice lad. 

Problem is he’s a very poor Championship footballer who has season after season proved to be incapable of performing at this level.

If he was a youth player just breaking in or a new player finding his feet one could cut him some slack but he isn’t. He’s been here SIX years and reached the height of mediocrity. Honestly players like Alex Scott have done more in six games than he’s shown in six years. 

We have had worse players technically over the years but taking seasons served, games played and contributions made he’s one of the worst players we have ever had in my time watching City. 

[And Its Smith]

23 minutes ago, One Team said:

Agreed. I don’t hate him, in fact from what I understand from those who know him he’s a really nice lad. 

Problem is he’s a very poor Championship footballer who has season after season proved to be incapable of performing at this level.

If he was a youth player just breaking in or a new player finding his feet one could cut him some slack but he isn’t. He’s been here SIX years and reached the height of mediocrity. Honestly players like Alex Scott have done more in six games than he’s shown in six years. 

We have had worse players technically over the years but taking seasons served, games played and contributions made he’s one of the worst players we have ever had in my time watching City. 

A very poor championship player? Weird that it seems Pearson wants to keep him then.  

[Agard Days Night]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

You really think there are similarities between Reid & O’Dowda, honestly?

 

Yes, manifold. 

[BS3City]

Enough! Get rid, end of.

No f*****g about.

[Engvall’s Splinter]

26 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

A very poor championship player? Weird that it seems Pearson wants to keep him then.  

Pearson signed Simpson. Mistakes can be made. 

[One Team]

40 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

A very poor championship player? Weird that it seems Pearson wants to keep him then.  

Fair challenge, I should’ve said extremely poor!

Hopefully any media talk of him signing a new deal is just that and hopefully with the likes of Kane Wilson signing then O’Dowda can leave quietly and be a distant memory. 

[Bristol Oil Services]

43 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

A very poor championship player? Weird that it seems Pearson wants to keep him then.  

Football managers get things wrong, in football. From time to time. 

[Rossi the Robin]

You could say he’s played in a relatively poor side since he arrived here. 
We need players who are going to turn us into a good side and although he’s a decent player, far too inconsistent and injury prone 

[Simon bristol]

4 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

You could say he’s played in a relatively poor side since he arrived here. 
We need players who are going to turn us into a good side and although he’s a decent player, far too inconsistent and injury prone 

He was here when we beat man united and gave man city a hell of a game. I wish him well but if he gets a new contract we might as well give up.

[And Its Smith]

9 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

Football managers get things wrong, in football. From time to time. 

 

26 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Pearson signed Simpson. Mistakes can be made. 

Fans make mistakes as well 

[Engvall’s Splinter]

17 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

 

Fans make mistakes as well 

How would deciding not to renew a contract for a player who has flattered to deceive for circa 5 years be a mistake? 

[Rossi the Robin]

26 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

He was here when we beat man united and gave man city a hell of a game. I wish him well but if he gets a new contract we might as well give up.

Without checking he can’t have been here long and did he feature in those games? Has been relatively downhill since then as well

Agree new contract is not an option for me 

[RedRock]

Just NO City. Can’t believe we’ve given it a second thought.

Signing the lad was a mistake, offering a new contract was plain stupid. Extending the relationship further is off-the-scale ridiculous. 
 

Pearson’s ‘credits in the bank’ would suffer serious harm with me if CoD is here next Season. Enough is enough.

[Ecko]

Get rid. If were serious about progressing, we need to get rid of players like o dowda. Brings nothing to our team. 

Genuinely shocked that some on here would be happy with him signing a contract. 

[One Team]

4 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Just NO City. Can’t believe we’ve given it a second thought.

Signing the lad was a mistake, offering a new contract was plain stupid. Extending the relationship further is off-the-scale ridiculous. 
 

Pearson’s ‘credits in the bank’ would suffer serious harm with me if CoD is here next Season. Enough is enough.

Well said, completely agree. 

Just now, Ecko said:

Get rid. If were serious about progressing, we need to get rid of players like o dowda. Brings nothing to our team. 

Genuinely shocked that some on here would be happy with him signing a contract. 

Likewise, he’s part of the family feel fluffy Bristol City of the Ashton era that needs to be cleansed from our club. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Don't think he is a terrible player but he has run his course, a combination of injuries and low output- the latter post his contract in summer 2019, means that IMO while he has uses and versatility, it surely is time to part ways.

[Rossi the Robin]

Is he one of the Busy Bees? 

[TheReds]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

A very poor championship player? Weird that it seems Pearson wants to keep him then.  

I'd keep him for £1 per week, but for £15k per week there's not a chance in hell. Everyone has a price.

Let's be fair here, the last few managers have kept him as well, so they all see something in him. Then he gets to an actual football match on a Saturday afternoon and generally it is the same predictable poor, or bang average performance, and the only consistency he has is he generally does eff all.

Can you list how many games he's turned around for us, how many games he's won for us, how many times he's been man of the match, how many times he's been outstanding? He has been here 6 years and had 160 appearances, you'd think in at least half of those he'd be fairly decent.

What's weird is any criticism of COD you seem to be straight on here defending him at every single turn and now calling it 'hate'. I think there is a player in there, but how long and how much money do you keep throwing at such an inconsistent player? I'd rather bring someone else in on the same money, or give a youngster a chance. If he stays I hope he does well and becomes a solid Championship player, but I think he has had more than enough chances as it stands.

[And Its Smith]

25 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I'd keep him for £1 per week, but for £15k per week there's not a chance in hell. Everyone has a price.

Let's be fair here, the last few managers have kept him as well, so they all see something in him. Then he gets to an actual football match on a Saturday afternoon and generally it is the same predictable poor, or bang average performance, and the only consistency he has is he generally does eff all.

Can you list how many games he's turned around for us, how many games he's won for us, how many times he's been man of the match, how many times he's been outstanding? He has been here 6 years and had 160 appearances, you'd think in at least half of those he'd be fairly decent.

What's weird is any criticism of COD you seem to be straight on here defending him at every single turn and now calling it 'hate'. I think there is a player in there, but how long and how much money do you keep throwing at such an inconsistent player? I'd rather bring someone else in on the same money, or give a youngster a chance. If he stays I hope he does well and becomes a solid Championship player, but I think he has had more than enough chances as it stands.

It won’t be £15k per week. Will be less than that. I rate him and think he does a good job at this level. He’s got flaws for sure, as every city player does. I’m not going to list games as I can’t be bothered and all the games merge into one at my age!  I think there are fans that really dislike him and don’t give him any credit. Looking for reasons to slag him off.  I look forward to seeing if he stays. 

1 hour ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

How would deciding not to renew a contract for a player who has flattered to deceive for circa 5 years be a mistake? 

That’s your opinion. Maybe Pearson disagrees with you 

[Sleepy1968]

38 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

Is he one of the Busy Bees? 

Well, he's a bumble bee.

[Cider red]

Odowda is a strange player, so inconsistent and unplayable on his day. I remember him scoring a wonder goal from kick off at Norwich away years ago. Those days are too far inbetween though. He needs a change to push reset imo