BS3_RED Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 The amount of times I have heard us fans (myself included) arguing who should or not be manager. I would just like to highlight that pretty much all of us want SOD and NP and yet none of us wanted Cotts who gave us the best season I have witness in 40 years of watching City. Thank God there are three worse teams than us ( not sure how) this season or we would be back in L1 next year possibly playing the sags (imagine the horror in that after 20 years). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I’ve been an avid supporter of NP but it is clear now that there has been no improvement in any area what so ever. I’m very concerned for next season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Just now, Eddie Notgetinya said: I’ve been an avid supporter of NP but it is clear now that there has been no improvement in any area what so ever. I’m very concerned for next season. Goalscoring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said: I’ve been an avid supporter of NP but it is clear now that there has been no improvement in any area what so ever. I’m very concerned for next season. And precisely what opportunity has he had so far to make the necessary, radical changes to our squad? Today was piss poor though, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said: I’ve been an avid supporter of NP but it is clear now that there has been no improvement in any area what so ever. I’m very concerned for next season. Totally not true. Everyone complaining about where goals were going to come form at the start of the season. Even a fair way into the season there were whole threads about how Weimann just runs around and AS will never be a striker/goalscorer - even now people complain about how Martin does nothing. Despite that our attack is now very potent and I would pretty much always back us to score. We have been really weak defensively particularly from crosses and set plays and last two games show a massive improvement on both. The goal today is scrappy, but they have had no other chance of note other than shots form outside the box - when they hit the post Williams should have closed down better, but apart from that most of the on target shots where speculative efforts. From set plays we are defending has been so much better. I would also had that our set plays (corners in particular) look much better and there are positive signs there too. I think people ignore/miss these things particularly after games like today where entertainment value was low. Low entertainment doesn't necessarily mean things are not moving forward. We had plenty of chances late on and at least two clear cut chances in the game that should have been goals. It was not a pretty game, but not the **** show that people are and will paint it as. If you honestly are saying NP has improved nothing you are just not looking. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pl00peh91 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Goalscoring. What’s the point in scoring more goals when you concede 73 goals in 41 games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said: Totally not true. Everyone complaining about where goals were going to come form at the start of the season. Even a fair way into the season there were whole threads about how Weimann just runs around and AS will never be a striker/goalscorer - even now people complain about how Martin does nothing. Despite that our attack is now very potent and I would pretty much always back us to score. We have been really weak defensively particularly from crosses and set plays and last two games show a massive improvement on both. The goal today is scrappy, but they have had no other chance of note other than shots form outside the box - when they hit the post Williams should have closed down better, but apart from that most of the on target shots where speculative efforts. From set plays we are defending has been so much better. I would also had that our set plays (corners in particular) look much better and there are positive signs there too. I think people ignore/miss these things particularly after games like today where entertainment value was low. Low entertainment doesn't necessarily mean things are not moving forward. We had plenty of chances late on and at least two clear cut chances in the game that should have been goals. It was not a pretty game, but not the **** show that people are and will paint it as. If you honestly are saying NP has improved nothing you are just not looking. 19 shots today, just the two on target. We should have scored more than we did, but arguably so should they have. It makes managers pull their hair out, but it’s just meaningless end of season fare for us now. Bloody frustrating and do fear for us next year, but kind of what I expected today to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I still maintain the issue isn't Pearson but the situation of the club. Does this mean I think Pearson will turn this around? After today my belief has taken a serious knock and I'm no longer sure, however, I don't see who would want the job if he were sacked tomorrow due to numerous reasons. Finances - we could see ourselves hit with a point deduction and even if we manage to dodge that bullet you then have the fact that we have nothing to spend and should a manager come in with the desire to create a new team through selling our players to buy new I wonder who we can realistically sell that wouldn't actually leave us in a far worse situation. Personally if someone were to offer good money for Massengo I'd escort him out of the door right now, you can see he has a motor and that he has technique but when it comes to his decision making, he's bloody awful. I know a lot of people like the lad but I think it's mostly down to the fact that he gives his all, that said his decision making has cost us goals both attacking and defending and today he showed yet again how he does so much hard work and then just doesn't know when to release the ball. Squad - If you look at our squad we have a few players who divide opinion, as mentioned above, but there are also plenty who we can all see just do not work for us. Vyner should be out the door faster than anyone. I've heard so many people say that Pearson is stealing a living, well, he's out there every game trying to make the best out of a terrible situation whilst Palmer is still on the books and Baker is still a part of the squad despite the fact that he spends 75% of his time injured. Who in their right mind would want to inherit a squad with no natural right back, a squad that has been built with 3-5-2 in mind, so much so that we can barely pull off another formation, a squad with no real motivator on the pitch and a squad that if you sold their best assets to reinvest would have so much left over baggage that you wouldn't have the wages to bring in better anyway. I just can't see any manager changing this around whilst maintaining a Championship position. We require a staring right back, a player capable of playing right back should that new signing get injured, we need to offload Vyner, Wells, Baker and Palmer. We also need to somehow accept that we have Martin as our focal point and Weimann behind meaning Semenyo is the most likely partner alongside Martin putting Bell and Conway out of the team and seemingly unable to get a chance. This club is a mess, the squad is unbalanced, the finances are a mess and yet we seem to think managers are going to want to throw themselves into this mess, Pearson may not be able to sort this mess out but at least he doesn't bullshit the fans about the situation the club is in, I really can't stand the idea of him leaving for a yes man to come in and we go down into League One with a season of the new guy mugging off the fans by making excuse after excuse and saying it's all ok because that, for me, is far worse than Pearson accepting we're in a bad position and trying to get us through it. Does it excuse the piss poor performance today? No, but I don't think Pearson was the issue today, for me it was the way the players seemed to be playing well and the second that red card came out it was like their mentality switched to "job done" when it clearly wasn't. Once they got that goal back you could see the panic is the decision making and lack of focus going forward, they became their own worse enemies by becoming frustrated by what had occurred due to their own mental frailty. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said: What’s the point in scoring more goals when you concede 73 goals in 41 games? I replied to the post saying there had been no improvement. There has - in goalscoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 For all the talk about doing better with the current squad, aside from the three youngsters and possibly Kalas/Bentley, who in the squad would we be able to get a fee for if we let them go? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Back to the OP Most of us wanted Derek McInness over Mark Robbins. Look at them both now. Most of us were delighted when Coppell was appointed. As fans, we do get it wrong, frequently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, BS3_RED said: The amount of times I have heard us fans (myself included) arguing who should or not be manager. I would just like to highlight that pretty much all of us want SOD and NP and yet none of us wanted Cotts who gave us the best season I have witness in 40 years of watching City. Thank God there are three worse teams than us ( not sure how) this season or we would be back in L1 next year possibly playing the sags (imagine the horror in that after 20 years). I’d like to point out I was very vocal in supporting Cotts & took absolutely loads of stick for it on here. If he’d been backed like his successor was & allowed to keep Keith Burt as Head of Recruitment instead of that charlatan Ashton I genuinely think (even despite the 2 Manchester games) we would currently be better off. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: Back to the OP Most of us wanted Derek McInness over Mark Robbins. Look at them both now. Most of us were delighted when Coppell was appointed. As fans, we do get it wrong, frequently. I cant remember that far back....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I’d like to point out I was very vocal in supporting Cotts & took absolutely loads of stick for it on here. If he’d been backed like his successor was & allowed to keep Keith Burt as Head of Recruitment instead of that charlatan Ashton I genuinely think (even despite the 2 Manchester games) we would currently be better off. Keith Burt was clearly a huge loss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I have to admit I was very anti-Cotts when he was appointed mainly because of his `abrasive` persona. I`m happy to admit I got it totally wrong though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Whatever we thought of the managers, our owner knows even less. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: I have to admit I was very anti-Cotts when he was appointed mainly because of his `abrasive` persona. I`m happy to admit I got it totally wrong though. Bit underwhelmed myself but soon became clear he had a plan, a clear way of setting the team up and an eye for an undervalued player to fit into his system. The team always looked fit, well drilled, organised with immense attention to detail. Always said "we" in press interviews and not "they". Not sure of the details of how it all crumbled in the end but we looked brilliant when he was here. But he has never taken a team into the Premier league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 hours ago, BS3_RED said: The amount of times I have heard us fans (myself included) arguing who should or not be manager. I would just like to highlight that pretty much all of us want SOD and NP and yet none of us wanted Cotts who gave us the best season I have witness in 40 years of watching City. Thank God there are three worse teams than us ( not sure how) this season or we would be back in L1 next year possibly playing the sags (imagine the horror in that after 20 years). Not trying to be pedantic or anything but that's how relegation works every season. Only the bottom 3 get relegated as they are the worst. We have a very good points difference between us and the bottom 3 and have had that gap throughout the season. We have never really been in danger of going down have we? Now, how many of us would have taken that back in August? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Waconda said: But he has never taken a team into the Premier league. Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good. 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: If he’d been backed like his successor was & allowed to keep Keith Burt as Head of Recruitment instead of that charlatan Ashton I genuinely think (even despite the 2 Manchester games) we would currently be better off. I think this is actually the bigger negative change that occurred - the restructuring of the club that saw our recruitment team damaged, and other key roles taken up by Ashton's mates. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good. I think this is actually the bigger negative change that occurred - the restructuring of the club that saw our recruitment team damaged, and other key roles taken up by Ashton's mates. Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good = Fair point Our current Manager hasn't set the world alight over the last 6 years either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Yepp, as brilliant as we looked in L1, Cotterill's record as a Championship manager isn't especially good. I think this is actually the bigger negative change that occurred - the restructuring of the club that saw our recruitment team damaged, and other key roles taken up by Ashton's mates. You’re right on the first point, it is pretty poor & Birmingham fans hate him. I just think we had momentum under him & the summer when we basically had only signed Kodjia (what a signing that was) with about a week to go until the season started, killed it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 hours ago, BCFC Richard said: Totally not true. Everyone complaining about where goals were going to come form at the start of the season. Even a fair way into the season there were whole threads about how Weimann just runs around and AS will never be a striker/goalscorer - even now people complain about how Martin does nothing. Despite that our attack is now very potent and I would pretty much always back us to score. We have been really weak defensively particularly from crosses and set plays and last two games show a massive improvement on both. The goal today is scrappy, but they have had no other chance of note other than shots form outside the box - when they hit the post Williams should have closed down better, but apart from that most of the on target shots where speculative efforts. From set plays we are defending has been so much better. I would also had that our set plays (corners in particular) look much better and there are positive signs there too. I think people ignore/miss these things particularly after games like today where entertainment value was low. Low entertainment doesn't necessarily mean things are not moving forward. We had plenty of chances late on and at least two clear cut chances in the game that should have been goals. It was not a pretty game, but not the **** show that people are and will paint it as. If you honestly are saying NP has improved nothing you are just not looking. It’s very very hard to say that Nigel Pearson has improved anything after that shambles of a performance this afternoon. I admire your positivity but there was sadly little or no evidence of any of the improvements you identify this afternoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I know it keeps being said but how can an ex defender like what he’s seeing in our defence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: And precisely what opportunity has he had so far to make the necessary, radical changes to our squad? He's had months up that High Di Hi Performance Centre with this shite squad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said: I have to admit I was very anti-Cotts when he was appointed mainly because of his `abrasive` persona. I`m happy to admit I got it totally wrong though. No, no, you were right, he was abrasive, wasn’t he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 The squad isn’t great but it certainly isn’t a terrible squad. You have a man on 20 goals, 9/10 players who arguably could get in most championship squads. The man spends every single day on the training ground and we move the ball at half the pace every other side in the league does. He is a lot of the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, alexukhc said: I know it keeps being said but how can an ex defender like what he’s seeing in our defence? He clearly will not but he’s stuck with what he has and youngish defenders will be bought again,you can lead a horse to water … 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Seem to remember OTIB demanding Hughton be appointed saviour and rubbishing Cooper. Forest fans might disagree with that No magic formula, just right man, right time, right coaches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Galley is our king said: Not trying to be pedantic or anything but that's how relegation works every season. Only the bottom 3 get relegated as they are the worst. We have a very good points difference between us and the bottom 3 and have had that gap throughout the season. We have never really been in danger of going down have we? Now, how many of us would have taken that back in August? I should have highlighted points deduction., without which we would deep in the dogs poo Edited April 10, 2022 by BS3_RED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: I should have highlighted points deduction., without which we would deep in the dogs poo Yes but they were deducted for a reason, over spending. Their squads would be poorer had they not overspent and they may well have been in a worse position than they are now. Purely conjecture I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, Galley is our king said: Yes but they were deducted for a reason, over spending. Their squads would be poorer had they not overspent and they may well have been in a worse position than they are now. Purely conjecture I know. And we might not have kept as much powder dry for the summer if we’d been in a dogfight. At it stood, we’ve not been in a battle at all since we beat Cardiff (a) when there were some worries had we lost. We’ve kept our heads above water, with the lowest budget since 16/17 (by my estimates), that’s some doing. 17/18 was the start of the big budget spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: And we might not have kept as much powder dry for the summer if we’d been in a dogfight. At it stood, we’ve not been in a battle at all since we beat Cardiff (a) when there were some worries had we lost. We’ve kept our heads above water, with the lowest budget since 16/17 (by my estimates), that’s some doing. 17/18 was the start of the big budget spending. Blimey ! Hadnt realised that - that is a dose of reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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