Where do we go from here

[Topper 123]

STEPHEN LANSDOWN what are you going to do to get people to buy season tickets - you’ve got a manager who’s happy to stand on touch line showing NO PASSION drinking coffee and a group of players who would struggle in league 1 , that was proven today against bottom of the league who played last 30 minutes with 10 men and the manager tactically changed nothing .Next season we will face relegation and we’re being told there’s no money available to strengthen this rabble of a team , when you look back to great nights like play offs v Crystal Palace and where they are and where we are it’s all a bit embarrassing and sad .So MR LANSDOWN either one of you , if your still there because we haven’t seen or heard anything from you both WHAT is happening to our club -silence speaks volumes 

[Snufflelufagus]

Don't think he reads the forum

[Wiltshire robin]

Just now, Snufflelufagus said:

Don't think he reads the forum

He definitely does 

[Bristol Oil Services]

Haircut 150m

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Tafkarmlf said:

Nowt to do with the owner

Appreciate the sentiment 

Basics on pitch would be a start. 

That's what many are calling for. It shouldn't be this difficult 

It’s got everything to do with the owner. Look beyond the 90 minutes on the pitch and you realise that we are a total mess……HIS club remember.

[Rob k]

Just now, Tafkarmlf said:

Nowt to do with the owner

Appreciate the sentiment 

Basics on pitch would be a start. 

That's what many are calling for. It shouldn't be this difficult 

Nowt to do with the owner?

He’s the one who let that **** Mark Ashton create havoc with our club

This is solely down to the owner of this club 

[chinapig]

1 minute ago, Magger1 said:

STEPHEN LANSDOWN what are you going to do to get people to buy season tickets - you’ve got a manager who’s happy to stand on touch line showing NO PASSION drinking coffee and a group of players who would struggle in league 1 , that was proven today against bottom of the league who played last 30 minutes with 10 men and the manager tactically changed nothing .Next season we will face relegation and we’re being told there’s no money available to strengthen this rabble of a team , when you look back to great nights like play offs v Crystal Palace and where they are and where we are it’s all a bit embarrassing and sad .So MR LANSDOWN either one of you , if your still there because we haven’t seen or heard anything from you both WHAT is happening to our club -silence speaks volumes 

Steve has just released a statement. It reads as follows:

"It's my club and I'll do what I like. Get your season tickets now while stocks last."

[Wiltshire robin]

Just now, Tafkarmlf said:

Nowt to do with the owner

Appreciate the sentiment 

Basics on pitch would be a start. 

That's what many are calling for. It shouldn't be this difficult 

It’s everything to do with the owner . He allowed Johnson and Ashton to piss this club to pieces . The problem is the lansdowns and will continue to be , we had loads of decent applicants after Johnson was sacked but after talking with the lansdowns none of them wanted anything to do with us .

[GrahamC]

Today was really poor but thinking the answer is PASSION is embarrassing.

We really are in a poor place, we were outplayed first half but the bottom team & although there was an improvement second half it looked like a League One game.

This summer is going to be tough but at the moment I’m just pleased I only have to watch 2 more games.

[Supersonic Robin]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s got everything to do with the owner. Look beyond the 90 minutes on the pitch and you realise that we are a total mess……HIS club remember.

Yepp, that's the biggest frustration for me. The club as a whole is in a dreadful state.

Unfortunately, I don't see this being resolved quickly. We spent years getting into this mess, and it'll likely take us years to get out of it - regardless of who the manager is.

[tin]

The Lansdowns are entirely responsible for the situation we’re in — for sacking Cotts, for letting that crook Ashton have anything to do with the club, for appointing LJ, for taking six weeks to appoint Holden. 20+ years and what’s changed on the field? Very little. They refuse to structure the club properly, with a sporting director or DoF, no scouting network, no long-term plan at all, limping from one crisis to another. They are the problem and nothing will change — for better or worse — until they are gone. 

[Supersonic Robin]

9 minutes ago, Magger1 said:

STEPHEN LANSDOWN what are you going to do to get people to buy season tickets - you’ve got a manager who’s happy to stand on touch line showing NO PASSION drinking coffee and a group of players who would struggle in league 1 , that was proven today against bottom of the league who played last 30 minutes with 10 men and the manager tactically changed nothing .Next season we will face relegation and we’re being told there’s no money available to strengthen this rabble of a team , when you look back to great nights like play offs v Crystal Palace and where they are and where we are it’s all a bit embarrassing and sad .So MR LANSDOWN either one of you , if your still there because we haven’t seen or heard anything from you both WHAT is happening to our club -silence speaks volumes 

Always found this a strange criticism of managers. Realistically, what's he supposed to do other than "stand on the touchline"? Run onto the pitch and join in?

[Keepers Ball]

I never like this Bristol Sport nonsense and ive never liked the Rugby wedged in with us.Or even poxy basketball.

"Ooh he's built us a stadium". No he built a stadium for us to use..along with his Egg chasing lot.

I still maintain if we had an owner that concentrated fully on football, with a Chairman that is what he is supposed to be, we'd be in a better place. Very much doubt it would be Premier League but a lot better than the Bollocks we are getting now.

[Merrick's Marvels]

"Where do we go from here"?

To the pub, mate. 

[Dullmoan Tone]

16 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Always found this a strange criticism of managers. Realistically, what's he supposed to do other than "stand on the touchline"? Run onto the pitch and join in?

Perhaps coach them so they play better against 10 players?

[Bristol Oil Services]

5 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

"Where do we go from here"?

To the pub, mate. 

Aye, aye, aye, yaye, yae; yae; 

Ay,  aye,  aye, ay, yae, yae 

Then I call:

Ring, ring, ring, ring

La, la, la League One

[Supersonic Robin]

7 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Perhaps coach them so they play better against 10 players?

Should Pearson request that the ref stops the game so that he can deliver a 20 minute training session before continuing with the match?

Choosing to criticise the manager for "just standing on the touchline" during the game is just strange. There are many problems at our club right now - how animated our manager is during the match isn't in the top 100.

Ironically, when Pearson sat in the stand to actively try to get an alternative view of the match, he was heavily criticised for that too.

[Jeez]

45 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Today was really poor but thinking the answer is PASSION is embarrassing.

We really are in a poor place, we were outplayed first half but the bottom team & although there was an improvement second half it looked like a League One game.

This summer is going to be tough but at the moment I’m just pleased I only have to watch 2 more games.

All well & good but what happens next season?  As it stands it looks like we’re in for more of the same.

What a delightful prospect.
 

[Colemanballs]

I was really excited by Pearson's appointment, but have increasingly become concerned by his apparent (lack of)  tactical nous. For the time being, I'm still in the 'keep him' camp because I can see that even though, in my view, he  has been underperforming with regard to results, he has been doing some positive stuff (promoting youth, clearing deadwood, etc.) under difficult circumstances that will benefit us in the long run. However, although I'm not yet ready to join the bedwetters calling for him to be sacked, I am becoming increasingly sceptical.

[KegCity]

48 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Respect where you are, disagree, unless he's actually picking and training the first XI

In that case would be in total agreement. 

He’s the one constant in nearly 20 years of absolute failure, with high points of bottling a play off final, beating Man United and winning a league we should have never dropped down to in the first place.

If I was Steve I’d be embarrassed that that’s all I had to show for constantly shovelling money into the club.

[KegCity]

1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Still doesn't pick the team nor the tactics though. 

If he did, right with you 

And? He hires the person who does make those decisions, provides the funding for those players and sets standards. By your logic only the manager is ever responsible for anything happening at the football club. 
 

[Topper 123]

52 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Always found this a strange criticism of managers. Realistically, what's he supposed to do other than "stand on the touchline"? Run onto the pitch and join in?

Never seen Neil warnock manage ffs

[KegCity]

5 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Billionaire will have got something right at some point. 

Cant blame someone else for managers messing up.. 

Has absolutely no relevance to his ability to run a football club, as shown in his inability to achieve anything whilst owning a football club.

[Gert Mare]

League One. Barring a miracle, realistically with no money to spend, a clear out of personnel required and just putting in the under-23’s along with a possible 12 point deduction I think that next season will be our last in the Championship and it doesn’t matter how many managers are sacked during the season. Our squad is relegation fodder….sadly.

[David Brent]

42 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Perhaps coach them so they play better against 10 players?

Playing against 10 men doesn’t entitle you to a win. From where I was sat they looked like they were trying. 

[glynriley]

2 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Has absolutely no relevance to his ability to run a football club, as shown in his inability to achieve anything whilst owning a football club.

I think most people can see that Mr Lansdown is the problem. 25 years of huge underachievement  tells the story. A succession of 3rd rate managers, with the odd gem thrown in (Cotts & Gj) then dispensed of on a whim, lays it bare. 

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, Magger1 said:

you’ve got a manager who’s happy to stand on touch line showing NO PASSION drinking coffee 

Alf Ramsey didn’t show any passion when managing England, but it didn’t stop him winning the World Cup. Here, everyone is going ballistic, but he’s just sitting on the bench 

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, David Brent said:

Playing against 10 men doesn’t entitle you to a win. From where I was sat they looked like they were trying. 

It’s never easy playing against 10 men for sure. Many times I’ve seen it happen at all levels but what was frustrating was City's lack of fluidity particularly the first 45. Scott was in the pocket of their full back Burrows all game. I don’t remember him getting past Burrows at all. Dasilva had the worst game that I can remember, kept  losing the ball and consequently rarely found a team mate.

The second 45 was marginally better but yet again piss poor defending cost us two points.

The booing at final whistle was expected and even when the players went to singing section to applaud them it never stopped.

Nige was spot on post match when he said we can’t wait until the end of the season.

[KegCity]

2 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

So who would? 

Who'd cover the losses and invest 

Still wouldn't solve on pitch issues either. 

I'm not getting your argument tbh 

I’m genuinely open to anyone taking over. Again, it’s all well and good covering losses if the club does naff all. All that money spent keeping us afloat and what’s he got to show for it? Trophies from a division that he helped us fall into in the first place, and a carabao cup win over Man United. It’s not my money, but that seems like a pretty bad return on investment.

My argument is, Lansdown has bankrolled two decades of average at best football and has absolutely nothing to show for it. Either bring someone in who knows how to run a football club, or sell it to someone who does. Simply praising him for covering our losses, when he’s the person in charge of our finances in the first place, is kind of like congratulating someone for changing their pants after they’ve shat themselves. They’ve cleaned up the mess, but they also made it in the first place

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Simply praising him for covering our losses, when he’s the person in charge of our finances in the first place, is kind of like congratulating someone for changing their pants after they’ve shat themselves.

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, Rob k said:

Nowt to do with the owner?

He’s the one who let that **** Mark Ashton create havoc with our club

This is solely down to the owner of this club 

........not only let Swiss wreak havoc but then told us fans what a great bloke he was and didn't know what we were talking about. Swiss, on the other hand, like all blaggers, knew exactly what was around the corner and couldn't wait to get out.

[KegCity]

Just now, Tafkarmlf said:

Then simply we fail

We've been at the highest level we have ever been consistently or near enough in our entire history. 

It's not praise for covering losses its for us able to be here. 

There's loads of legit criticism but blaming him for managers messing up is not a yardstick id choose. 

I get why people do it, but I'd disagree massively. 

I just don’t get that. Do you mean praise for not allowing us to go bust? That’s obviously great, that’s all surely the actual bare minimum of owning any business, let alone a football club?

Being at the highest level in recent history isn’t really an argument when Lansdowns been at the club for such a long time, you’re then comparing to completely different eras of football to look at previous ownership. We’ve ultimately failed to do anything with it, and not really come close apart from one play off final (and no appearances in the playoffs since). We’ve definitely not got some right to be up there, but we’ve struggled to even be consistently competitive. For the money we’ve spent, which comes from the ownership, that doesn’t really seem to be good enough.

Of course he’s not responsible for the decisions made by managers, and there have been some monumental mistakes made in the dugout over the years. Ultimately, the blame lies with the ownership as they’ve consistently hired the players and set up the club to try and achieve success. I think it’s just more of a bigger picture view when you look back at the whole of Lansdown’s time with the club.

 

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, Colemanballs said:

I was really excited by Pearson's appointment, but have increasingly become concerned by his apparent (lack of)  tactical nous. For the time being, I'm still in the 'keep him' camp because I can see that even though, in my view, he  has been underperforming with regard to results, he has been doing some positive stuff (promoting youth, clearing deadwood, etc.) under difficult circumstances that will benefit us in the long run. However, although I'm not yet ready to join the bedwetters calling for him to be sacked, I am becoming increasingly sceptical.

Not all of us Pearson out people are bedwetters, same as all those who want him to remain aren't that's a pretty childish statement, apologies of course if indeed you are a kid

I see zero progress in terms of team organisation, structure, performances or results, this is solely down to Pearson

If the fuhrer can find someone else to invest I wish he would step aside, although as derby are finding, selling a club without a ground is  a difficult if not impossible task

Pearson is being given a very easy ride, he would be gone otherwise, the only way we get out of this league with him is through the trap door

 

Anyone for a season ticket?

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, tin said:

The Lansdowns are entirely responsible for the situation we’re in — for sacking Cotts, for letting that crook Ashton have anything to do with the club, for appointing LJ, for taking six weeks to appoint Holden. 20+ years and what’s changed on the field? Very little. They refuse to structure the club properly, with a sporting director or DoF, no scouting network, no long-term plan at all, limping from one crisis to another. They are the problem and nothing will change — for better or worse — until they are gone. 

It’s this.

I used to like us having local owners but have come to the conclusion this year that aside from the stadium they have actually delivered bugger all & are far happier to have mates or people who would never get their current job anywhere else in post.

This explains why they fell out very quickly with Cotterill & don’t seem a natural fit with the equally spiky Pearson.

LJ, Tinnion & that bloke who is allegedly head of recruitment, absolutely no problem at all though..

[AirlieBeachRed]

54 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Alf Ramsey didn’t show any passion when managing England, but it didn’t stop him winning the World Cup. Here, everyone is going ballistic, but he’s just sitting on the bench 

I think he had some better players to work with

[Tin Soldier]

1 hour ago, tin said:

The Lansdowns are entirely responsible for the situation we’re in — for sacking Cotts, for letting that crook Ashton have anything to do with the club, for appointing LJ, for taking six weeks to appoint Holden. 20+ years and what’s changed on the field? Very little. They refuse to structure the club properly, with a sporting director or DoF, no scouting network, no long-term plan at all, limping from one crisis to another. They are the problem and nothing will change — for better or worse — until they are gone. 

The Happy Clappers will disagree but you are so right. Mistake after mistake. The facts speak for themselves as you rightly state.. People on here say we might get bought by a dodgy Arab (blah, blah, blah) but this club needs new owners with the correct pedigree quickly because Bristol City are heading for relegation next season.

Would not be surprised if Lansdown sells soon TBH.

Think most fans have woken up to the Lansdownes mistakes in recent seasons. Changing the manager will make no difference as the “problems at the top”will still be in charge.
Real shame, because if we kept some of our best players we would be in the top 6 - fact. No guarantee of promotion I know but we would be challenging.

[One Team]

2 hours ago, tin said:

The Lansdowns are entirely responsible for the situation we’re in — for sacking Cotts, for letting that crook Ashton have anything to do with the club, for appointing LJ, for taking six weeks to appoint Holden. 20+ years and what’s changed on the field? Very little. They refuse to structure the club properly, with a sporting director or DoF, no scouting network, no long-term plan at all, limping from one crisis to another. They are the problem and nothing will change — for better or worse — until they are gone. 

Nailed it. Post of the day for me! 

[Bs4Red]

For me, I’ve said NP should have gone since January. 
Nothing has changed since his appointment, the football is poor. No real ideas, no pace in our play. 
The players are to blame too, but I cannot get on board with the “this squad is awful” etc

Bentley, Kalas, Atkinson, Dasilva, Massengo, Williams, James, Scott, Weimann, Semenyo, Wells are all arguably good enough to play in decent championship sides. Yes we have some garbage too, but when you have a striker scoring 20+ goals it shows there is a half decent side in there somewhere. 
 

I have zero idea who could come in and improve us but imo honest opinion NP has had a lot of time for a bloke who’s not even had a new manager bounce. 
 

I would be happy to just watch a team play with a bit of passion and organisation right now. 

[Southport Red]

Re this notion that Peterboro showed more desire or ‘wanted it more’. They are fighting for their lives, you would expect them to fight hard. 
 

There are many things wrong with our performances, personally I think fear and low confidence are the main reasons. Not sure if we employ a sports psychologist any more but perhaps we should. 

[Dullmoan Tone]

1 hour ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Should Pearson request that the ref stops the game so that he can deliver a 20 minute training session before continuing with the match?

Choosing to criticise the manager for "just standing on the touchline" during the game is just strange. There are many problems at our club right now - how animated our manager is during the match isn't in the top 100.

Ironically, when Pearson sat in the stand to actively try to get an alternative view of the match, he was heavily criticised for that too.

While I’m no expert, I believe most team’s practice games with and against 10 men. It shouldn’t be too hard to change tactics mid match - most teams do this - why are you giving Pearson a pass on the basic requirements (to change tactics to counter the opposition)?

[pongo88]

14 minutes ago, AirlieBeachRed said:

I think he had some better players to work with

He, Alf Ramsey, definitely had better players than the current City Squad, but if he couldn’t get excited about England winning the World Cup why should NP get excited about playing against Peterborough? 

[Fordy62]

Gave all his money to a vanity project. Now we don’t have any. 

Struggle on is the answer. Struggle on without money. Let Nige sort out the mess and when he’s sorted it, hand it over to someone else to **** up again. 

[Dullmoan Tone]

1 hour ago, David Brent said:

Playing against 10 men doesn’t entitle you to a win. From where I was sat they looked like they were trying. 

Do you think we changed our shape to exploit the opportunity, or did we keep on doing the same thing, with the same formation, hoping we might get another header on target?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, tin said:

The Lansdowns are entirely responsible for the situation we’re in — for sacking Cotts, for letting that crook Ashton have anything to do with the club, for appointing LJ, for taking six weeks to appoint Holden. 20+ years and what’s changed on the field? Very little. They refuse to structure the club properly, with a sporting director or DoF, no scouting network, no long-term plan at all, limping from one crisis to another. They are the problem and nothing will change — for better or worse — until they are gone. 

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, KegCity said:

I’m genuinely open to anyone taking over. Again, it’s all well and good covering losses if the club does naff all. All that money spent keeping us afloat and what’s he got to show for it? Trophies from a division that he helped us fall into in the first place, and a carabao cup win over Man United. It’s not my money, but that seems like a pretty bad return on investment.

My argument is, Lansdown has bankrolled two decades of average at best football and has absolutely nothing to show for it. Either bring someone in who knows how to run a football club, or sell it to someone who does. Simply praising him for covering our losses, when he’s the person in charge of our finances in the first place, is kind of like congratulating someone for changing their pants after they’ve shat themselves. They’ve cleaned up the mess, but they also made it in the first place

Unfortunately Keg

Steve is still stuck with his Y-Fronts tangled around his ankles , where Swiss Tony and Steve’s Godson left them , when they pulled them down

Steve asked Jon to sort it out , but it got a bit complicated and Jon gave up and has gone back to his crayoning

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I can't agree with your post as it is about someone to blame despite us having success as a club over traditional standings 

What do you want, as your post appears to be anyone but Lansdown. 

Chester, Darlington, QPR and a myriad of others tried that and did not work out well. 

I did red card to russe and also was one of the first in East end on being reopened. 

So know my onions and can't help seeing this as myopic knee jerk. 

I get others will feel different, and respect that. 

Knee jerking to the chair because managers mess up isn't floating my boat tbh

the managers and players dont bring themselves here, they are selected by the real boss SL and son, therefore the fault is not the sh1te on the wheels. His club his managers his fault.

[Desso]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

It’s never easy playing against 10 men for sure. Many times I’ve seen it happen at all levels but what was frustrating was City's lack of fluidity particularly the first 45. Scott was in the pocket of their full back Burrows all game. I don’t remember him getting past Burrows at all. Dasilva had the worst game that I can remember, kept  losing the ball and consequently rarely found a team mate.

The second 45 was marginally better but yet again piss poor defending cost us two points.

The booing at final whistle was expected and even when the players went to singing section to applaud them it never stopped.

Nige was spot on post match when he said we can’t wait until the end of the season.

But the Tannoy sounded a bit better I thought.

[Waconda]

39 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Re this notion that Peterboro showed more desire or ‘wanted it more’. They are fighting for their lives, you would expect them to fight hard. 
 

There are many things wrong with our performances, personally I think fear and low confidence are the main reasons. Not sure if we employ a sports psychologist any more but perhaps we should. 

Constantly being belittled and slagged off by the Manager is not conducive to high confidence or morale to be fair.

 

[Monkeh]

2 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

So who would? 

Who'd cover the losses and invest 

Still wouldn't solve on pitch issues either. 

I'm not getting your argument tbh 

Lansdown needs to sell 50% of the club, we need more voices on the board,

Having a echo chamber that we currently have is the problem, we need fresh ideas at board level

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Respectfully gl2 will have to disagree, including stuff that wouldn't have happened if they'd not been in charge for you. 

I get the anger and i understand the frustration, but a catch all for blame because on pitch we're crap isnt washing here. 

Yes there are issues higher up but they dont excuse or negate failures lower down either. 

On the pitch we are rubbish because our owners selection of managers for many years has been poor.

The players need managers who are selected by SL so.... we are where we are because......the players selected by the managers that are selected by Sl are not good enough.imo of course and I`ll leave it there.

If they were good enough we would be in the prem by now.

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, pongo88 said:

He, Alf Ramsey, definitely had better players than the current City Squad, but if he couldn’t get excited about England winning the World Cup why should NP get excited about playing against Peterborough? 

Sir Alf saw himself as a cut above all that hullabaloo and a cut above the players and 'umble, track suited coaching staff. Alf was (trying to be) a Gentleman, he was in to climbing the social ladder. To have cavorting about would've undone that.

He never 'ad all them "helocution" lessons to go and blow it by jumping about like the serfs/players with the country watching just because we won a cup.

[The Constant Rabbit]

1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

Lansdown needs to sell 50% of the club, we need more voices on the board,

Having a echo chamber that we currently have is the problem, we need fresh ideas at board level

Ain't happening any time soon.

Prospective buyers are 'reconsidering' their interest in UK football, I'm led to believe. World financial / political turmoil isn't helping. The UK cost of living leaves very little for discretionary spending - IE - going to the Football and associated spending.

We may be stuck with them for one or two more years more than planned.

[The Wild Bunch]

2 hours ago, One Team said:

Nailed it. Post of the day for me! 

Post of the season!

[fgrsimon]

6 hours ago, Colemanballs said:

I was really excited by Pearson's appointment, but have increasingly become concerned by his apparent (lack of)  tactical nous. For the time being, I'm still in the 'keep him' camp because I can see that even though, in my view, he  has been underperforming with regard to results, he has been doing some positive stuff (promoting youth, clearing deadwood, etc.) under difficult circumstances that will benefit us in the long run. However, although I'm not yet ready to join the bedwetters calling for him to be sacked, I am becoming increasingly sceptical.

Same here, still with NP atm but this squad should be capable of better than 18/19th. How many of Luton's squad for example would improve our squad on paper? Lord only knows how much more we're paying the squad than they are but it must be obscene.

[desert]

Down to the lake I fear….

[Rob k]

5 hours ago, fgrsimon said:

Same here, still with NP atm but this squad should be capable of better than 18/19th. How many of Luton's squad for example would improve our squad on paper? Lord only knows how much more we're paying the squad than they are but it must be obscene.

And how much of those wages are down to Pearson? 
A few of these players have gone through 3 managers and you now have a manager openly telling you where the problem lies……yet you still think it’s the managers fault. 
Get rid if you want but things won’t change until we move on about 8 players so we will be having the same discussion in 12 months 

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Rob k said:

And how much of those wages are down to Pearson? 
A few of these players have gone through 3 managers and you now have a manager openly telling you where the problem lies……yet you still think it’s the managers fault. 
Get rid if you want but things won’t change until we move on about 8 players so we will be having the same discussion in 12 months 

Can you not see who brought those "3 managers" here in the first place? then consider if its the same person as the one who brought in NP.

Also consider that his latest manager choice, has already in fact brought in his player choices from outside in the last 12months and those players have made the areas that they play in weaker. While also losing twice as many games as he wins.

Yet you seem to believe, somehow NP will be our saviour and somehow propell us towards the top of this div, based on a short spell at Liecs and not the sackings that followed at other clubs.

I find it unbelievable that NP has already had more time at this club in this div than the manager who actually got us here in the first place uniting fans/players and the club while doing so.

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by gl2

[Rob k]

Just now, gl2 said:

Can you not see who brought those "3 managers" here in the first place? then consider if its the same person as the one who brought in NP.

Also consider that his latest manager choice, has already in fact brought in his player choices from outside in the last 12months and those players have made the areas that they play in weaker. While also losing twice as many games as he wins.

Yet you seem to believe, somehow NP will be our saviour and somehow propell us towards the top of this div, based on a short spell at Liecs and not the sackings that followed at other clubs.

I find it unbelievable that NP has already had more time at this club in this div than the manager who actually got us here in the first place while uniting fans/players and the club while doing so.

 

Read my other posts and you will see where i think the blame lays and it’s with SL

Why are you trying to put me in a camp where i think NP is a ‘saviour’? 

Perhaps i think that whoever is in charge with this group of players would be having exactly the same issues, some of these players have gone through 3 managers, so yes, i do see them as the problem.

we have the most important summer coming up for probably 10 years or so as if we don’t move a load on we’re down next season. 

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2 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Read my other posts and you will see where i think the blame lays and it’s with SL

Why are you trying to put me in a camp where i think NP is a ‘saviour’? 

Perhaps i think that whoever is in charge with this group of players would be having exactly the same issues, some of these players have gone through 3 managers, so yes, i do see them as the problem.

we have the most important summer coming up for probably 10 years or so as if we don’t move a load on we’re down next season. 

Sorry for any upset caused as I didnt read your other posts

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15 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

 

Hi guys (presume you're both guys, apologies if not) 

@Monkeh understand your point, what does it achieve for us. Just checks and balances?

@gl2 disagree. We've been crap because we've fallen in to the same trap we always have, even pre Lansdown in so much we hit this level, we panic, spend recklessly and wonder why it fails.

Managers  are always hit and miss and weve had some success amongst the mediocrity as this is basically or most consistent time at this level, ever. I've not checked recently, however we are definitely in the range of beating it. 

I've heard quite a few calls for Michael Duff should NP go and wouldn't be upset with that as follows your Cotterill style progession. 

Also sticks to my knows this neck of the woods captures the mood and does decent on a zero budget playing good football thing. 

Hopefully that makes sense. 

SL "He is the man to take us forward" Dawe "Prem manager" then giving SC 256days before sacking him, while def NOT backing him with any investment money to build on his record breaking L1 win with 99pts.

Since then SL`s choices of managers and their choices of players have got us to where we are today. His latest choice is close to getting us the least amount of points in this div and seems unable to organise jack sh1te

[redapple]

 

A goalkeeper with concentration, a defence with some aggression, a midfield with some speed and stamina, forwards who move in the box ( backwards as well as stationary) and wing(ers)backs who can pull a ball back and not just put it on the big centre backs forehead are all required either by replacing or coaching the current mob. Some collective heart also needed. 
I don't know how to achieve this. I thought NP would have the answers but not so sure now. It’s not rocket science. The basic resources are there but it’s getting them to work together properly and more efficiently. 
 

[cityfan1958]

Very many years ago I was sent on a prospective middle managers course. The whole point of this course was this. 
As a manager or owner of a company you set your goals you wish to achieve, and then the process by which you achieve them. If you believe you have the right goals and processes to achieve them, and if you don’t why have you set them to start with, you them let the processes work. If at the first sign of trouble you panic and change them all you end up doing is going around in a constant circle back to the place you started, and never achieve anything. It’s about having faith in your judgement. 
Two things, a good number of people on this forum might have benefited from this course, and secondly the failure to see a project through should probably be the motto of this club.

[Davefevs]

35 minutes ago, cityfan1958 said:

Very many years ago I was sent on a prospective middle managers course. The whole point of this course was this. 
As a manager or owner of a company you set your goals you wish to achieve, and then the process by which you achieve them. If you believe you have the right goals and processes to achieve them, and if you don’t why have you set them to start with, you them let the processes work. If at the first sign of trouble you panic and change them all you end up doing is going around in a constant circle back to the place you started, and never achieve anything. It’s about having faith in your judgement. 
Two things, a good number of people on this forum might have benefited from this course, and secondly the failure to see a project through should probably be the motto of this club.

I spent time at Warwick Business School and learned similar things.

Whikst having clear strategies, you also need to be able to adapt quickly to changes.  Bristol City are like that tanker stuck in the canal (Panama/Suez), a behemoth of cost that takes ages to turn around.

Personally I don’t think changing the manager is the root cause.  I think he’s succeeded in many respects this season.  My gut feel is that there are ambiguous expectations and lack of reality across the club.

But I do expect SL to wield the axe.  And then we are into unknown territory again. 

[cityfan1958]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I spent time at Warwick Business School and learned similar things.

Whikst having clear strategies, you also need to be able to adapt quickly to changes.  Bristol City are like that tanker stuck in the canal (Panama/Suez), a behemoth of cost that takes ages to turn around.

Personally I don’t think changing the manager is the root cause.  I think he’s succeeded in many respects this season.  My gut feel is that there are ambiguous expectations and lack of reality across the club.

But I do expect SL to wield the axe.  And then we are into unknown territory again. 

The biggest problem is we don’t have an ingrained identity.  Over too many years we have flipped and flopped from one way and another. The inference from Pearsons appointment was that part of his remit was to instil some sort of identity, not something that’s going to be achieved overnight.

[David Brent]

18 hours ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Do you think we changed our shape to exploit the opportunity, or did we keep on doing the same thing, with the same formation, hoping we might get another header on target?

We had changed shape just before the red card already (Although I think Nigel got that wrong in the first place)

It was a lack of quality that cost us, not a lack of effort. I thought the shape vs 10 was fine. 

[Mr Chappers]

Where do we go? Whoever is manager has to sell assets, sort out finances, recruit wisely, play and encourage the youngsters, and hopefully stay in the Championship. Then rebuild in a financially sustainable way.

All part of the City experience, seen it a few times, spend big, spend badly, pay the price a year or two later.

[Bodiesaffer]

22 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Nowt to do with the owner

Appreciate the sentiment 

Basics on pitch would be a start. 

That's what many are calling for. It shouldn't be this difficult 

Players are thick as pig shit. NP kept it simple these lot only show it how it’s done once every 10 games.

[Loosey Boy]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I spent time at Warwick Business School and learned similar things.

Whikst having clear strategies, you also need to be able to adapt quickly to changes.  Bristol City are like that tanker stuck in the canal (Panama/Suez), a behemoth of cost that takes ages to turn around.

Personally I don’t think changing the manager is the root cause.  I think he’s succeeded in many respects this season.  My gut feel is that there are ambiguous expectations and lack of reality across the club.

But I do expect SL to wield the axe.  And then we are into unknown territory again. 

You honestly think that SL will get rid of Nige? @Davefevs

If he does, surely he will give him the summer and 10-15 games of next season?

Edited April 10, 2022 by Loosey Boy

[Davefevs]

18 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

You honestly think that SL will get rid of Nige? @Davefevs

If he does, surely he will give him the summer and 10-15 games of next season?

Yes, I do, because he doesn’t like criticism.

[1960maaan]

7 hours ago, cityfan1958 said:

The biggest problem is we don’t have an ingrained identity.  Over too many years we have flipped and flopped from one way and another. The inference from Pearsons appointment was that part of his remit was to instil some sort of identity, not something that’s going to be achieved overnight.

While I take your point, Pearson has had 14 months. We have made very slight improvements in that time, I'd say we control, hold and move the ball very slightly better than under Holden or Johnson. I know there have been mitigating circumstances, but I expected more. Not miracles, but more in the way of style and control, organisation and system. 
The minimal improvement we have seen I do have doubts about Pearson. Equally I'd worry about any new man coming into our situation. 
It is a tough position, and not one with an easy or obvious solution .