Port Said Red Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) I was watching a stream of the Rams TV and they were all about Semenyo, what a handful he was, almost unplayable at times and they were right. If he can just get a little more clinical in front of goal......... But 7 goals and 10 assists in 29 games suggests he is getting better and better And Rams TV his name is Antoine not Anton or Antony, both of which I heard today. Edited April 23, 2022 by Port Said Red 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Some good coaching in the summer and is more than capable of reaching 20 next season in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 He's the one player i really hope we can keep for next season. Considering he was injured until around Christmas, his impact in the 2nd half of the season has been excellent. He's still raw in certain situations but his ability is there for all to see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Yet frighteningly some of our fans still don’t rate him… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Thing is There will be some very big clubs looking at him and if the price is right we will sell Im not sure what AS earns a week but as a local lad starting at the club my guess would be 5k tops Unless City up that to 20k and that’s what a decent striker can earn in the championship he will have his head turned by other clubs Shame Ad he could light the club up next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yet frighteningly some of our fans still don’t rate him… You could make a very good team out of the players who were underrated on this forum since I joined. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I really hope he stays Massengo, Scott, Pring happy if they go ahead of the beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yet frighteningly some of our fans still don’t rate him… Yes they would be the ones slagging him off when he was a teenager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said: I really hope he stays Massengo, Scott, Pring happy if they go ahead of the beast. We’ll struggle to replace Massengo and Semenyo, think we can live without Scott and Pring. Unfortunately it’s Massengo and Semenyo who are most likely to leave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Dolman Block B said: Thing is There will be some very big clubs looking at him and if the price is right we will sell Im not sure what AS earns a week but as a local lad starting at the club my guess would be 5k tops Unless City up that to 20k and that’s what a decent striker can earn in the championship he will have his head turned by other clubs Shame Ad he could light the club up next season No idea if true but heard he’s on significantly less than that currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No idea if true but heard he’s on significantly less than that currently. I know it's easier said then done but we really should be offering all the youngsters the best wages possible in the summer. They're all key first team players. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No idea if true but heard he’s on significantly less than that currently. Wow, if that's correct Dave then we will find it really hard to hang on to him this summer ☹ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Yes they would be the ones slagging him off when he was a teenager. I'll put my hand up and say I was sceptical about whether he'd develop to be good enough because the cameos we saw from him before this season were usually not that impressive. We know from experience that some young players can seem very promising, but never kick on to quite make it at second tier level. Antoine looked OK at hold-up play and had some nice touches, but in front of goal he was like a rabbit-in-headlights. But I wasn't slagging him off. The point is unless you coached him day in, day out and knew the young man well you probably didn't know his full potential and it's also very true that some young players who can seem a bit lost in their debut First XI appearances can mature, develop, learn and end up bloody good. You're a fool if you write youth teamers off when they are still developing their game. It's bloody brilliant how Antoine has come on leaps and bounds this season to be one of our most exciting young players for years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 More of an exciting prospect for me than Bobby Reid. Playing with AW and CM has brought him on leaps and bounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Edgy Red said: Wow, if that's correct Dave then we will find it really hard to hang on to him this summer ☹ That’s why he’s already in contract talks. His agent Tony Finnegan doesn’t seem to be in a rush to move him on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 hour ago, KegCity said: We’ll struggle to replace Massengo and Semenyo, think we can live without Scott and Pring. Unfortunately it’s Massengo and Semenyo who are most likely to leave. If this club has an wish to build a team they have to stay. Give them offers, not stupid, but will be worth staying for. And tell the bigger clubs to **** off there not for sale. They are still young , needing more development . Their time will come for the big offers and everybody wins then . But selling now is so short sighted and would make me really worry about how the club is being run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: That’s why he’s already in contract talks. His agent Tony Finnegan doesn’t seem to be in a rush to move him on. I hope we can hang on to him for another year. He's got all the qualities to play in The Prem and would be the most difficult to replace (in my opinion) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Corner Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 If he can take some power out of his shots and not try and rip the net each time he will go right to the top, really hope we can keep him for at least another season at least as watching him develop has been a huge highlight this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post REDOXO Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I'll put my hand up and say I was sceptical about whether he'd develop to be good enough because the cameos we saw from him before this season were usually not that impressive. We know from experience that some young players can seem very promising, but never kick on to quite make it at second tier level. Antoine looked OK at hold-up play and had some nice touches, but in front of goal he was like a rabbit-in-headlights. But I wasn't slagging him off. The point is unless you coached him day in, day out and knew the young man well you probably didn't know his full potential and it's also very true that some young players who can seem a bit lost in their debut First XI appearances can mature, develop, learn and end up bloody good. You're a fool if you write youth teamers off when they are still developing their game. It's bloody brilliant how Antoine has come on leaps and bounds this season to be one of our most exciting young players for years. Agreed. That is what the Pearson era has become. A time when we bring youngsters through. Firstly I would say that Semenyo has come on leaps and bounds under Pearson and the bloke deserves credit for that, yes one could argue ‘it’s maturity’ but that takes away credit to the current staff, who ‘have’ brought a lot more out of the boy. The same or similar needs to be said of Scot who will play for England. Also Our MoM today Atkinson, the bloke Cundy who most of us thought was a figment of our imagination, the two/three lads who played out of position at full/wing back today. Plus the lad that came on and made his debut for 15 today that made a spectacular tackle in his own penalty area etc etc etc! This forum is sometimes spectacularly myopic regarding our team and what is developing in front of their eyes, particularly when we lose. The trashy tweets, comments on Radio Brizz and other media can be mind numbing! Either way, as you allude to succinctly, player development takes time. But it also takes ability from both the player and the staff and no matter what ever the ‘I’m not renewing my season ticket’ rattle throwers think, this City squad has more potential than I’ve seen since 73 which is a combination of a long term club policy and a guy/management team that doesn’t throw money into the khazi! Edited April 23, 2022 by REDOXO 21 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 He is already good and he Will be better and better. He is so strong and have good feets, shots and have good passes. Really hope we can Keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Agreed. That is what the Pearson era has become. A time when we bring youngsters through. Firstly I would say that Semenyo has come on leaps and bounds under Pearson and the bloke deserves credit for that, yes one could argue ‘it’s maturity’ but that takes away credit to the current staff, who ‘have’ brought a lot more out of the boy. The same or similar needs to be said of Scot who will play for England. Also Our MoM today Atkinson, the bloke Cundy who most of us thought was a figment of our imagination, the two/three lads who played out of position at full/wing back today. Plus the lad that came on and made his debut for 15 today that made a spectacular tackle in his own penalty area etc etc etc! This forum is sometimes spectacularly myopic regarding our team and what is developing in front of their eyes, particularly when we lose. The trashy tweets, comments on Radio Brizz and other media can be mind numbing! Either way, as you allude to succinctly, player development takes time. But it also takes ability from both the player and the staff and no matter what ever the ‘I’m not renewing my season ticket’ rattle throwers think, this City squad has more potential than I’ve seen since 73 which is a combination of a long term club policy and a guy/management team that doesn’t throw money into the khazi! What an excellent post. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 It will be the time onhoured problem - young, promising player AND his agent, get their head turned by a big club and their sack fulls of cash. Hope, he, and all the young tyros stay, but we will lose some. It is the way the game works, not just a BCFC problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Firstly , Massive credit to the lad himself who took the opportunity whilst injured to analyse his game and where he needed to improve Also , No coincidence for me that he has two top pros (Though often derided on here ) in Chris Martin and Andi Weimann , alongside him Both great pros , played at highest level and Internationals - two great mentors I’d suggest Antoine himself mentioned how valuable the time was he spent talking with them whilst all were out injured For all the criticism of signings like the two mentioned , the King’s etc , even Simpson - sometimes their value comes out in other ways 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 Without revealing my source, I can say that Klose, King, Wells and Weimann are particular favourites of the younger players for their help advice and support, Martin apparently is great off the pitch but a bit of a moaner on it. James is the one that everyone thinks will be a Manager though. I have to say that Martin has been excellent in the last couple of games, the work he has put in and the way he has been linking play is as good as I have seen since..... well ever really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dolman Block B said: Thing is There will be some very big clubs looking at him and if the price is right we will sell Im not sure what AS earns a week but as a local lad starting at the club my guess would be 5k tops Unless City up that to 20k and that’s what a decent striker can earn in the championship he will have his head turned by other clubs Shame Ad he could light the club up next season FYI I don't think he's local but from London - I believe he was attending SGS Filton when he was recommended to City. He signed a 4+1 deal a while ago (deal), and the four years are up at the end of next season, so we don't need to sell him yet, and shouldn't unless it's silly money (or comes with a year loan back). Given the length of his contract, signed after we turned down Chelsea's approach for him, I wonder whether his salary might be slightly higher than your upper estimate - or at least potentially higher with incentives based on appearances and/or goals - remember it was signed under Mark Ashton's 'watch', so could be anything. I think another year of improvement with City would suit everyone: AS will then be attracting better suitors and have a higher earnings potential and we'll be further up the league than we would be otherwise and get a significant transfer fee. Edited April 23, 2022 by Sleepy1968 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Semenyo is such an exciting player - fast, skilful and powerful. He has huge potential and seems to have a good character too. Hopefully we’ll continue to see him in a City shirt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 My main concern was, had recalling him from Newport mid loan spell stalled him? Still can argue maybe it did stall him a bit, but fortunately we now are seeing his undoubted talent come to the fore. 7 goals and 10 assists despite several months out injured or a few anyway across 2 periods is some going for a young player. Took his goal nicely today, has strength, technique, contributed nicely to the opener too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Nothing better for me than seeing youngsters in a team. The more the merrier and I’d happily be in league one if it meant watching a team full of kids playing good football with desire. Hopefully Idehen is another one to add to a growing list. Well done Nige for playing them. I would love to see the next two games line up like this O’Leary Cundy. Klose. Atkinson Tanner. Williams. James Idehen Weimann Conway Semenyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 15 hours ago, Port Said Red said: And Rams TV his name is Antoine not Anton or Antony, both of which I heard today. I mean... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 He'll be gone this summer I'm afraid. You'd have to be pretty optimistic to think he will still be with us next season given that he is likely to be playing for a reasonably major team at the World Cup Finals. He may even see a move as integral to his national team standing. You only have to look on Twitter at Ghanaian media and fans who rave about him each week and see him as the future of their side. I've also noticed recently Fenerbache fans are all on about signing him and this stuff normally gathers pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Olé said: He'll be gone this summer I'm afraid. You'd have to be pretty optimistic to think he will still be with us next season given that he is likely to be playing for a reasonably major team at the World Cup Finals. He may even see a move as integral to his national team standing. You only have to look on Twitter at Ghanaian media and fans who rave about him each week and see him as the future of their side. I've also noticed recently Fenerbache fans are all on about signing him and this stuff normally gathers pace. According to my son, Ghanaian social media reckons their own Prem Lg is better than Champ, and Antoine should be nowhere near the National side! Farmers league they reckon!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 14 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Firstly , Massive credit to the lad himself who took the opportunity whilst injured to analyse his game and where he needed to improve Also , No coincidence for me that he has two top pros (Though often derided on here ) in Chris Martin and Andi Weimann , alongside him Both great pros , played at highest level and Internationals - two great mentors I’d suggest Antoine himself mentioned how valuable the time was he spent talking with them whilst all were out injured For all the criticism of signings like the two mentioned , the King’s etc , even Simpson - sometimes their value comes out in other ways When I look back only a few years to the player who was recalled from Newport County, it is almost Bobby Reidesque transformation. That player, was all over the place; couldn't read the game; and was completely bypassed. Culminating in his sending off against Derby for over eagerness. I'm sure fans at Sunderland now, can't believe that the Semenyeo they had on loan is the one touted as one of the hot prospects in the division above them. He's added pace, power; and at times composure (not always of course). He must be an absolute nightmare to play against. Looking at the Sheff Utd defenders, most of whom had been in the PL a few years earlier. They breathed a collective sigh of relief when he went off injured. Unlike players like Eze, we're still talking about 6 months of play with him; and any potential purchase (like Scott) would be about potential. But Scouts can help by being impressed by what he demonstrates. Still a lot to learn, under contract for another 2 years at least. I think it would take a decent 8 figure bid for us to consider parting ways with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Davefevs said: According to my son, Ghanaian social media reckons their own Prem Lg is better than Champ, and Antoine should be nowhere near the National side! Farmers league they reckon!!! Strange that Jojo Wollacott starts for their national side then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: When I look back only a few years to the player who was recalled from Newport County, it is almost Bobby Reidesque transformation. That player, was all over the place; couldn't read the game; and was completely bypassed. Culminating in his sending off against Derby for over eagerness. I'm sure fans at Sunderland now, can't believe that the Semenyeo they had on loan is the one touted as one of the hot prospects in the division above them. He's added pace, power; and at times composure (not always of course). He must be an absolute nightmare to play against. Looking at the Sheff Utd defenders, most of whom had been in the PL a few years earlier. They breathed a collective sigh of relief when he went off injured. Unlike players like Eze, we're still talking about 6 months of play with him; and any potential purchase (like Scott) would be about potential. But Scouts can help by being impressed by what he demonstrates. Still a lot to learn, under contract for another 2 years at least. I think it would take a decent 8 figure bid for us to consider parting ways with him. I think you have to bear in mind that at 18 with no academy background he was going to be very raw, and behind in certain aspects of his game. But certainly I remember that Derby game and AS was nowhere near the required level. In fact I've been a little unsure whether he had the tenacity and belief to make it over the last couple of years. He's clearly come on massively this season since seemingly having an epiphany - half way through a game (Millwall away?). If he can sort out his finishing (see Andi Weinmenn) and decision making a bit over the next season then he will be ripe for a big move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: If he can sort out his finishing (see Andi Weinmenn) and decision making a bit over the next season then he will be ripe for a big move. It must be transformational to play alongside Weimann - he sets such a huge example on effort and application. Semenyo had a tendency to drift out of games or be less sure of his role, but he's relentless now and Weimann must help set that standard. Towards the end yesterday Idehen skewed a ball down the right channel and even Chris Martin gave chase somewhat optimistically! Martin has been about our most consistent player in the second half of the season where I thought he looked wasteful earlier in the campaign - again I've no doubt that Weimann's efforts make it much easier for Martin to thrive. I know this is a thread on Antoine, but when you look at how all these other pieces are enhanced and improve, Weimann will probably be the most outstanding and deserving POTS in my lifetime. 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: According to my son, Ghanaian social media reckons their own Prem Lg is better than Champ, and Antoine should be nowhere near the National side! Farmers league they reckon!!! There was some stuff like that before but all the well followed people who I assume are media commentators talk him up. I thought I saw a reference (via translate) in one tweet today to Germany as the farmers league but I might be mistaken. They talk about him more so than our mate Nketiah despite his form at Arsenal (though obviously he is not yet declared, and knowing him will change his mind just before the World Cup!) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 20 hours ago, REDOXO said: Yes they would be the ones slagging him off when he was a teenager. I never ‘slagged him off’, but I have to admit that I couldn’t see what the fuss was about when LJ recalled him from Newport. I think one of his first contributions was to get himself sent off. I was seriously underwhelmed. However, I’m delighted to admit I was wrong and I’m also delighted with the player he’s become - and I agree there is more to come from him. Loving the humble pie - yum yum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 21 hours ago, Alex_BCFC said: Yet frighteningly some of our fans still don’t rate him… Our most exciting player for years. Great with his back to goal, possessing Houdini-like qualities to escape defenders. Terrific uper body strength, pace and a decent shot. Available for £50 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 4 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said: He's added pace, power; and at times composure (not always of course). Im not sure about power and pace, he’s had that since the first time I saw him v Preston (a). He was very raw though, still is to an extent. Playing him centrally with scope to go / float left or right, knowing Martin will take care of being more rigidly positioned is a big boon for him. Means he can find space. I saw little benefit of constraining him to one wing (as a wide forward) when you want him on the ball as much as possible. 4 hours ago, TBW said: Strange that Jojo Wollacott starts for their national side then... I know, just saying social media can be a bit bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 56 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Im not sure about power and pace, he’s had that since the first time I saw him v Preston (a). He was very raw though, still is to an extent. Playing him centrally with scope to go / float left or right, knowing Martin will take care of being more rigidly positioned is a big boon for him. Means he can find space. I saw little benefit of constraining him to one wing (as a wide forward) when you want him on the ball as much as possible. I know, just saying social media can be a bit bonkers. Fair point @Davefevs Maybe I should have phrased it as purpose, and application to his pace; and power. It's now directed in a way that is having positive results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Fair point @Davefevs Maybe I should have phrased it as purpose, and application to his pace; and power. It's now directed in a way that is having positive results. Yes, absolutely. In some regards you want him to retain that raw element….same with Kodjia, that unpredictable nature is what makes them what they are. Sometimes frustrating, admittedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I know, just saying social media can be a bit bonkers. Can't say I'm too "in the know" about Ghanaian Twitter but certainly sounds it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 It`s also noticeable that defenders are looking terrified of him - Stearman yesterday being a case in point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, absolutely. In some regards you want him to retain that raw element….same with Kodjia, that unpredictable nature is what makes them what they are. Sometimes frustrating, admittedly. I thought his involvement in the opening two goals showcased his progress perfectly Dave The control with his studs to kill an awkward ball at pace , then a fantastic pass as he turned , both in vision and execution allowing Chris Martin to deliver that great ball on the half turn for AW Then , his goal , picks his moment to close down Stearman , like a stalking Leopard , tackles Stearman so cleanly and decisively , off on his run towards goal , a rollover , a step over and.....bang Two showcases of real quality , in a series of actions However promising he’s looked that’s not Antoine of 12-18 months ago , to put together those pieces of skill in the same game , besides many other moments is encouraging to say the least Consistency is his next target 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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