DT The Optimist Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Had not been released and retained ? I raise this hypothetical question as us regulars see that most pressing issue has been the RHS of the defence. All season. All season have seen make shift players making good on that side, or players simply not up to it. Simpson example. Yes Tanner is very promising youngster. Not yet the answer, his time will come… good old Jack has been a regular for the owls, I notice he has been in the league one team of the week a few times, and even scored a few goals. bit fun really but I for one reckon we have missed him…. let’s see what NP does in the summer.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Wasn't he reportedly on high wages ? I'm sure one of out ITK quoted 15k a week? Certainly would of been useful compared to Danny Simpson but I guess we saved alot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 He was ‘ok’ had some frailties but always committed - we’ve had a lot worse But was time to move in IMHO 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: Had not been released and retained ? I raise this hypothetical question as us regulars see that most pressing issue has been the RHS of the defence. All season. All season have seen make shift players making good on that side, or players simply not up to it. Simpson example. Yes Tanner is very promising youngster. Not yet the answer, his time will come… good old Jack has been a regular for the owls, I notice he has been in the league one team of the week a few times, and even scored a few goals. bit fun really but I for one reckon we have missed him…. let’s see what NP does in the summer.. Would have won the league I reckon. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said: But was time to move in IMHO Might be right ….but what was he replaced with…. More of an issue. I am a great NP fan. But Simpson was not one of his finer moments… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 minute ago, DT The Optimist said: Might be right ….but what was he replaced with…. More of an issue. I am a great NP fan. But Simpson was not one of his finer moments… No going to get embroiled in that debate , again I thought this was about Jack Hunt Not keeping a player on good wages , whose not taking you forward is a sensible decision Difficulty in a replacement doesn’t make it a bad one , and let’s see how Tanner develops 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 All I know is, I never want to see Sam Bell there again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 I'd have kept him personally ahead of the other options we had looking back, however, you would have to assume he was on a higher wage than the alternatives, and availability was a bit up and down at times. If Tanner hadn't have picked up his injury, he may have played most games. Had we not had a few issues at centre back, Kalas could have played there if needed, so there were other options available within the squad already. We also don't know if we were looking at other players, but for whatever reason moves didn't materialise. Perhaps that's when the Simpson contract decision was made. On a tight budget, it could have been that Nige decided he didn't need/want Hunt because he didn't offer enough value for money. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and I do think that if he had stayed, then we could have looked a bit more stable at the back. Then again, that's also assuming that Hunt stays fit and available for most/all of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Good player who got overplayed last season and therefore always seemed knackered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: Good player who got overplayed last season and therefore always seemed knackered I likewise thought he was decent, believe played 38 games L1 for Owls. So on that stat you suspect he would have lasted the pace. One poster said we would have been promoted But I suspect we may have been few places higher. Perhaps we will see him back here next season yet ! If owls make it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) I have to say that for a relegated side allegedly under some kinda financial monitoring, Sheffield Wednesday have been extravagant in the market. Was thinking about this earlier. Summer 2021 Peacock-Farrell (Loan) Burnley (PL) Hunt (Free) released by us (Championship) Byers Swansea (Championship) Wing (Loan) Middlesbrough (Championship) Johnson (Free) released by Middlesbrough (Championship) Gregory (Free) Stoke (Championship) Berahino (Free) Plus a probably younger loanee from Wolves, and 1 from the Swiss League. Retention Iorfa Dunkley Luongo Bannan Paterson Windass January 2022 Wing returned to Middlesbrough then went to Wycombe but... Dean Half-season loan Birmingham (Championship) Storey Half-season loan Preston (Championship) If FFP follows them down or up and down.. I've gone off topic a bit. However it's quite a transfer activity for a side relegated to League 1! As for Hunt, think he had run his course here but could have been useful cover for Tanner. Not an essential however. Our moves towards austerity set against their activity despite us being on a higher club income, well that comparison doesn't sit right. Edited April 27, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: I likewise thought he was decent, believe played 38 games L1 for Owls. So on that stat you suspect he would have lasted the pace. One poster said we would have been promoted But I suspect we may have been few places higher. Perhaps we will see him back here next season yet ! If owls make it.. In hindsight he would have been good to have this season, but at the time I wasn't bothered he was released tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 I think we did the right thing by releasing him. We then made the mistake of signing Simpson. Just a position that needs to be addressed this summer with competition with Tanner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) The decision to keep Simpson over him was a joke and in no way could have been in relation to performances on the pitch. Getting rid of "obviously not deadwood" Lansbury and replacing him injury prone has beens was also an error. False economy. Not just saying it in hindsight I said it at the time. Edited April 27, 2022 by Waconda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 I still not quite understand why Kala's was not used a the right back and change the CB pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Always tried hard, a solid pro, but reminded me of a crab going sideways up the touch line, very right footed (not that it’s a bad thing for some) but too predictable with it IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 It wouldn't have changed the end result IMHO, we would still be safe in this division but maybe with a few more points. With our financial situation it makes sense to move him on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 8 hours ago, DaveF said: Would have won the league I reckon. And the cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Hunt was in the team that was plummeting to league 1 - time to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 As has been said, he was probably on a high salary, but he could have been offered reduced terms in the same way as Weimann. The person who hasn’t been mentioned in this discussion is Vyner. Pearson’s hints last season seemed to imply that he though that right back was Vyner’s best position, so he probably though Vyner was going to be a regular in that position. In that case he didn’t need Hunt as Tanner, or a similar player was going to be a backup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 9 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said: All I know is, I never want to see Sam Bell there again. I don't think Sam Bell ever wants Sam Bell there again. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, pongo88 said: As has been said, he was probably on a high salary, but he could have been offered reduced terms in the same way as Weimann. The person who hasn’t been mentioned in this discussion is Vyner. Pearson’s hints last season seemed to imply that he though that right back was Vyner’s best position, so he probably though Vyner was going to be a regular in that position. In that case he didn’t need Hunt as Tanner, or a similar player was going to be a backup Exactly that. The right back spot was Vyners with Simpson as back up. Tanner was brought in ( I believe) 12 months ahead of schedule. As it turned out Vyner wasn't good enough, nor was Simpson and Tanner got injured. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Hunt on the other hand was part of a dreadful team that was heading in one direction. Don't forget we couldn't stop crosses coming in from that side and also that most people believed that Perreira was an upgrade on Hunt but his loan wasn't followed up with a full signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Was a high earner and wanted to move back up north, so suited everyone really 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, SecretSam said: I don't think Sam Bell ever wants Sam Bell there again. I reckon Sam Bell will take whatever minutes he can get in any position he can…at this stage of his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 10 hours ago, DT The Optimist said: Had not been released and retained ? I raise this hypothetical question as us regulars see that most pressing issue has been the RHS of the defence. All season. All season have seen make shift players making good on that side, or players simply not up to it. Simpson example. Yes Tanner is very promising youngster. Not yet the answer, his time will come… good old Jack has been a regular for the owls, I notice he has been in the league one team of the week a few times, and even scored a few goals. bit fun really but I for one reckon we have missed him…. let’s see what NP does in the summer.. More to the point, what if we’d given Tommy Rowe another season? For me, he was a bit of a talisman for us, and how much could we have done with his versatility this season? His ability to cover positions was remarkable, and it was his injury in particular that derailed our season last year. People might say “but he’s been in a relegated League One side this season”, but I believe he could have done a valuable job in the Championship for one more season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) Hunt was one of very few (Tommy Rowe probably the only other) of those dozen we let go to emerge with any credit from last season. Unlike several he didn’t mysteriously vanish to the treatment table or phone it in during those painful last few months. However he was a high earner who was never likely to be part of our longer term plan & so the move he got, to a big club in his part of the world, suited everyone. If we had been prepared to do a Weimann/Baker type deal I’m sure he would have done a steady job, but we all moved on. Arguable that him, Rowe, Paterson & Fam (maybe Lansbury, too) are probably the only ones we let go to make any sort of contribution at their new clubs since, which is telling, isn’t it? Edited April 28, 2022 by GrahamC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I reckon Sam Bell will take whatever minutes he can get in any position he can…at this stage of his career. Of course the lad wants to play but playing him out of position at his young age is doing him no favours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: More to the point, what if we’d given Tommy Rowe another season? For me, he was a bit of a talisman for us, and how much could we have done with his versatility this season? His ability to cover positions was remarkable, and it was his injury in particular that derailed our season last year. People might say “but he’s been in a relegated League One side this season”, but I believe he could have done a valuable job in the Championship for one more season. Imho, Tommy Rowe was a fantastic free transfer signing in his first season, but whether little niggles etc caught up with him last year or not, I don’t think he was the same player we’d seen in season one. You are right, he was rushed back from one injury far too soon, and that really was the end of the road for him. With Pring and Dasilva doing decent jobs down our left side, I’m not sure Tommy would’ve got many minutes. Probably much better to have kept Nurse??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Super said: Of course the lad wants to play but playing him out of position at his young age is doing him no favours. I guess we’d need to ask him… …my view is that it’s great experience for him, he’ll learn loads, and guess that he’s getting as much preparation as possible in training in advance. He might also be thinking “wow, the gaffer has confidence in me”. But we are all guessing aren’t we? I’m just reflecting back on times when I had similar scenarios (at a much lower level, obviously ), and saw them as an opportunity. Think Dave Barton should put him up for today’s pre-match media interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 On the subject of playing Bell (and Benayous) out of position, i think its more a case of giving these players minutes on the pitch to gain match day experience and confidence - OK its not ideal and there have been times when they have had poor games, but the experience going forward will be invaluable to both and make them stronger when they are bigger players in our squad. Would I rather see an exciting and improving 18yr Bell on the pitch at right back, potentially making mistakes and learning for long term gain? or put an aging (with no long term plan) Simpson at right back as someone who could make the same mistakes, but not have the same inclination to learn or even care about his performance knowing its probably his last season at this club? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) I liked Hunt, but as others have said it was the right time to release him IF we had replaced him properly. As it stands it has to go down as a mistake for the season, but it will have done wonders for Scott's development. Will come out of the season a much more rounded player IMO (edit: because of his game time at RWB - having to develop different parts of his game) Edited April 28, 2022 by redsince1994 Clarity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Imho, Tommy Rowe was a fantastic free transfer signing in his first season, but whether little niggles etc caught up with him last year or not, I don’t think he was the same player we’d seen in season one. You are right, he was rushed back from one injury far too soon, and that really was the end of the road for him. With Pring and Dasilva doing decent jobs down our left side, I’m not sure Tommy would’ve got many minutes. Probably much better to have kept Nurse??? Now this I agree with. Obviously in hindsight its easy to say but he's done great for Shrewsbury. I always thought he looked good when he played for us. Relatively young still. Hunt and Rowe were best to be moved on when they were. We are still having a reset of the team and it had to start with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I think it is important that any thread on Jack Hunt contains this clip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 hours ago, pongo88 said: As has been said, he was probably on a high salary, but he could have been offered reduced terms in the same way as Weimann. The person who hasn’t been mentioned in this discussion is Vyner. Pearson’s hints last season seemed to imply that he though that right back was Vyner’s best position, so he probably though Vyner was going to be a regular in that position. In that case he didn’t need Hunt as Tanner, or a similar player was going to be a backup I'm not a great Vyner fan, but he is 100% better than Bell in that position. As for Hunt, should never have let him go imo. Said it was a mistake at the time and we've struggled ever since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Smtp. It's wages to turn over in L1 so they can spend as long as within 80%. Transfer fees etc less important. It's basically how we did promotion last time out. I liked Hunt, steady and what was needed. Appreciate why he went, suspect we'd have been stronger with him this season though. http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php it is 60% in Lg1 / 55% in Lg2 Also, profit on players sold is included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 He was a player we needed rid of for a long time. The fact we havent replaced him properly, does not change that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 It’s an interesting read. Hunt is obviously a Marmite player, the same as Pack. Imagine the forum after a defeat if they were both in the team. Conversely, imagine the forum if they were both in the team after a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 13 hours ago, DT The Optimist said: I likewise thought he was decent, believe played 38 games L1 for Owls. So on that stat you suspect he would have lasted the pace. One poster said we would have been promoted But I suspect we may have been few places higher. Perhaps we will see him back here next season yet ! If owls make it.. Just looking at his games for us 18/19 35 appearances 19/20 37 appearances 20/21 43 appearances whilst getting older The Jack Hunt of 20/21 was not the same player as 2018-2020 as he played too much imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Just looking at his games for us 18/19 35 appearances 19/20 37 appearances 20/21 43 appearances whilst getting older The Jack Hunt of 20/21 was not the same player as 2018-2020 as he played too much imo Agree, the loan of Sessegnon was surely planned to allow a bit rest and rotation…his hamstring scuppered that. Credit to Hunt, Pearson called out how he played through injury. I recall he got a very bad gash defending a cross, and played for a few weeks knowing that the wound would jeep opening back up. I liked Hunt, he was a steady performer…although when we signed him, I thought he’d do better than he actually did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php it is 60% in Lg1 / 55% in Lg2 Also, profit on players sold is included. That's a problem for me- not your posting of it but the rule itself as it does not in any way account for yoyo clubs...to wipe the slate clean in a way when there is a 3 year rule is pretty illogical on one level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: Imho, Tommy Rowe was a fantastic free transfer signing in his first season, but whether little niggles etc caught up with him last year or not, I don’t think he was the same player we’d seen in season one. You are right, he was rushed back from one injury far too soon, and that really was the end of the road for him. With Pring and Dasilva doing decent jobs down our left side, I’m not sure Tommy would’ve got many minutes. Probably much better to have kept Nurse??? Who has played almost every game for Shrewsbury this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I was told I was a bit of a Jack Hunt in my day. Unfortunately, it turns out they weren't talking about my footballing prowess. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: I reckon Sam Bell will take whatever minutes he can get in any position he can…at this stage of his career. But purely from a development perspective, it's not doing his confidence any good to be under-performing in the 'wrong' position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SecretSam said: But purely from a development perspective, it's not doing his confidence any good to be under-performing in the 'wrong' position Yeah, that’s completely possible. He might be on speed-dial to HR as we type! Alternatively, his confidence might be sky-high, because his manager believes in him, picks him over Vyner, etc, etc. His development and understanding of the requirements for Championship level might’ve grown considerably through these 4 or 5 opportunities. We don’t know. I’m just playing Devil’s advocate really, I’m interested in people’s views on these type of thing, especially when we’ve no idea really, but paint a picture as being so black or white. Invariably it’s anything but black and white and I just want others to consider both sides of it. Doesn’t mean they have to though, but that’s all I’m doing. In this example, I’ve used Wes Burns as a good example of the flipside. Perhaps without those games as RWB under Cotts he might’ve ended up being a failed “striker” and not forged a good career as a top end Lg1 WB???. Edited April 28, 2022 by Davefevs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 6 hours ago, redsince1994 said: I think it is important that any thread on Jack Hunt contains this clip That was certainly the best of Hunt! My problem with him was his control and first touch were not championship standard and his positioning wasn't the best either,never doubted his effort. Shame we didn't get Pisano a few years younger,proper Italian defender! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 18 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Wasn't he reportedly on high wages ? I'm sure one of out ITK quoted 15k a week? Certainly would of been useful compared to Danny Simpson but I guess we saved alot of money. League is his level now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 He was ok for us. When we released him last summer it felt like the time was right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Thought he was very 'meh'. Not great. Same as Tommy Rowe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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