Silvio Dante Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Has been confirmed by Mark Warburton that he will not have his contract renewed at expiry and will be leaving QPR in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 He’s done a decent job there so could be a case of be careful what you wish for, looks like they’ve run out of steam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. Quite close to a different position I hear but yes this could well also interest him you would think. A man in demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, East Londoner said: He’s done a decent job there so could be a case of be careful what you wish for, looks like they’ve run out of steam I like Warburton. Always in the periphery of thinking if we had to change manager. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Slice of bad luck for Warburton. 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 They have done really well coming back from that FFP fine. I know some of their fans have been calling for his head, but that was because he'd done so well . Even my QPR mates were happy to stick with him. Not sure if they are in a position to spend, or if they can keep their players, next man will be interesting. Can't wait to see what my mates think about Johnson possibly next man up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Decent manager, got the ball rolling at Brentford 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 That's a real pitta for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 He must be feeling quite sour about that decision - doh!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, harrys said: Decent manager, got the ball rolling at Brentford Think he picked up on Uwe Rosler’s work (within the wider Brentford model). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. Its crust a matter of time before he is back in a job. Edited April 28, 2022 by TonyTonyTony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. I hope Lee gets a job soon otherwise, with every vacancy, it’s going to be “job for LJ”. It was the same with Cotts. Good job they’re both not unemployed or it would be madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 If he uses his loaf, he'll be back in work in no time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 He'll just have to like it and crumpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, marmite said: Slice of bad luck for Warburton. Agree, particularly as he kneads the dough. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Think he’s a decent manager who has done a good job, but their slide down the league seems to have cost him. Wouldn’t be shocked if the same thing happens to Mowbray, another good manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 A funny one really. Did well to rebuild them but then ultimately underachieved with the good squad that he built. That’s why their fans are split on him. If they get their next appointment right they could be play off challengers next season assuming they don’t lose their top players in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Genuinely dissapointed this is not a thread on the superior toasting qualities of Warburtons Toastie bread, which I happen to think is best in class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I know some of their fans have been calling for his head, but that was because he'd done so well Most managers don't bother with the doing well bit. He'll learn. The other option, of course, is to lower fans expectations so much that they'll be grateful if you avoid relegation. I can't possibly think of an example to illustrate that with though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bas's perfect hattrick Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 at yeast he should find another job quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Agree, particularly as he kneads the dough. Why did Warburton have brown hands.... 5 minutes ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said: at yeast he should find another job quickly As long as he proves himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said: at yeast he should find another job quickly Maybe if he uses his loaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. £100 says QPR aren’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: £100 says QPR aren’t. Quite agree QPR are unlikely to pick up his call, but it might well be a term of his severance package that he needs to be seeing to apply for things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, Bristol Rob said: Quite agree QPR are unlikely to pick up his call, but it might well be a term of his severance package that he needs to be seeing to apply for things. Is that a thing for Managers? Surely not?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 51 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Is that a thing for Managers? Surely not?! Sure I read the story somewhere that not all of them get a lump sum, some stay on the payroll until there is either a break in their contract terms or they find something else and then negotiations start as to a sensible settlement, as in, we were paying you 250k a year on a deal that had 12 months left, took you two months to find another club, they will be paying you 150k, so for the following 10 months, we will pay the difference between when you would have got with us, and what the new club are paying you. Likely depends on the terms of the contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Funny one for me really Very small club financially at this level so to be play off chasing was quite an achievement I thought Same goes for Blackburn and their fans would have got rid of Mowbray years ago, no doubt to go in the summer too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 He's brown bread as far as the hoops are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Sure I read the story somewhere that not all of them get a lump sum, some stay on the payroll until there is either a break in their contract terms or they find something else and then negotiations start as to a sensible settlement, as in, we were paying you 250k a year on a deal that had 12 months left, took you two months to find another club, they will be paying you 150k, so for the following 10 months, we will pay the difference between when you would have got with us, and what the new club are paying you. Likely depends on the terms of the contract. Yes, that is a fairly typical scenario from what others in the game have said. Paying a lump sum is not good for FFP, when the remaining length of a contract is multi year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 hours ago, marmite said: Slice of bad luck for Warburton. Maybe he couldn't cut it. Or perhaps he was a bit thick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, that is a fairly typical scenario from what others in the game have said. Paying a lump sum is not good for FFP, when the remaining length of a contract is multi year. Which is why I always chuckle to myself when supporters moan and cry about managers getting the sack when they have 2 or 3 years left on a contract, very unlikely the club would leave themselves open to shelling out the full amount, likely it is reviewed every 6 or 12 months with no more than 12 months severance as full and final settlement, and that would be spread out. And could explain why Holden was appointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, billywedlock said: There are , as ever , a multitude of contract options . I only have two scenarios that I have direct knowledge of . One was very much ( Prem) where the 3/4 year contract was paid in full . The other ( Champ) where it was a 12 month rolling contract and the payoff was 1 year . ( I Guess Holden was in that area ) As football manager is so unreliable , the majority will almost certainly have a protection as they know they will be sacked . Gardening leave is used sometimes , as it means club can spread payments , but also know that most will get offered another job , and will want to carry on so will get a release. Warburton is the one of the very few times I can recall a manager just getting to the end of a contract . Roy at Palace another . Can you imagine how much Jose has made from being fired !!!! Watford would find it less expensive to fund revolutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Why did Warburton have brown hands.... Because he kneeded a poo 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Davefevs said: I like Warburton. Always in the periphery of thinking if we had to change manager. I’ve always liked the way his teams play. Although , as with Brentford , rangers & QPR his teams are too open defensively to be seriously considered for promotion imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Looks like Tony Mowbray leaving Blackburn as well . OOC and said today he hasn’t been offered a new deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Looks like Tony Mowbray leaving Blackburn as well . OOC and said today he hasn’t been offered a new deal He has done a pretty good job their- breterton-Diaz not being available for 2 months really didn’t help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: He has done a pretty good job their- breterton-Diaz not being available for 2 months really didn’t help them. Yeah. Strange decision to let him leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Looks like Tony Mowbray leaving Blackburn as well . OOC and said today he hasn’t been offered a new deal Managerial musical chairs. Not beyond the realm of possibility that Mowbray could end up at QPR and Warburton at Blackburn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 6 hours ago, BanburyRed said: If he uses his loaf, he'll be back in work in no time. There is that crumb of comfort. Otherwise he’ll just be loafing around waiting for a job to come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: I like Warburton. Always in the periphery of thinking if we had to change manager. Did a great job at Brentford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Half n half on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Gutted that Mowbray is leaving Blackburn...........mainly because I can't think of any Mowbray puns! Warburton OTH had gone stale at the Hoops but hopefully will he will rise again and have butter days ahead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 QPR could be making a real bloomer and end up in a world of pain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: Looks like Tony Mowbray leaving Blackburn as well . OOC and said today he hasn’t been offered a new deal Yes I was surprised. Just watched this. Wonder if club finances have anything to do with these decisions not to renew contracts - perhaps hoping for cheaper options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 No knead for all these puns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: No knead for all these puns. Alright don't get a cob on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, MC RISK77 said: He has done a pretty good job their- breterton-Diaz not being available for 2 months really didn’t help them. And Dack being out pretty much all season, as well. Edited April 28, 2022 by The Gasbuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the Bee Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Curr Avon said: Did a great job at Brentford. Yes then stabbed the owner in the back.He took over when Rosler left for Wigan a team that had won 7 and drawn1 of its last 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. Why would QPR be interested in appointing a manager with zero achievements on his CV?! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Why would QPR be interested in appointing a manager with zero achievements on his CV?! Won the EFL trophy with Sunderland last season, therefore not zero. His CV will be full of moneyball examples too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Won the EFL trophy with Sunderland last season, therefore not zero. His CV will be full of moneyball examples too Apologies, I meant proper achievements as in promotions - and moneyball examples, do they impress club owners?! How desperate ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Apologies, I meant proper achievements as in promotions - and moneyball examples, do they impress club owners?! How desperate ... Proving you bought a player, improved him on your watch, sold him at a profit for the club is a huge thing to put on your CV in the current game. Guarantee LJ will have a presentation on Josh Brownhill. Like it or not - that is the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, TonyTonyTony said: Proving you bought a player, improved him on your watch, sold him at a profit for the club is a huge thing to put on your CV in the current game. Guarantee LJ will have a presentation on Josh Brownhill. Like it or not - that is the game. Fair enough, yet LJ still has zero proper achievements on his CV - but you seem to think developing a player for a profit is suddenly a modern thing - plenty of City managers can say they bought a player, improved them and sold them on for a profit - funny how that is deemed a ‘big thing’ these days - we signed Akinbiyi for £1.2m and sold him for £3.5m - whoopee doo ... I doubt any of our managers involved in his development and onward sale would have kept a ‘presentation on him’ ... and should Tony Pulis put together a presentation because he sold youth team graduate Jim Brennan to Forest for £1.5m under his watch?! Although Osman, Lennartsson, Jordan and Ward also had influence on his career as managers ... lots of presentations there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. God help em then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The dastardly red Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Crumbs, there'll be a lot of interest flora manager of Warburton's quality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Fair enough, yet LJ still has zero proper achievements on his CV - but you seem to think developing a player for a profit is suddenly a modern thing 1) Define a proper achievement and why. Surely silverware is a proper achievement…. 2) Why should Johnson not claim credit for developing a Player under his watch and increasing his value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreedyHarry Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Genuinely dissapointed this is not a thread on the superior toasting qualities of Warburtons Toastie bread, which I happen to think is best in class What is the class? Maybe, “best toast in 32 years”? Edited April 28, 2022 by GreedyHarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 19 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Genuinely dissapointed this is not a thread on the superior toasting qualities of Warburtons Toastie bread, which I happen to think is best in class 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Feel sorry for Warburton. They've had a decent end to the season and I think he deserved butter.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 20 hours ago, Davefevs said: Usual jokes aside, I can see Johnson being interested in this one. Why would they be interested in Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Why would they be interested in Johnson. That is a very different question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve Watts said: Feel sorry for Warburton. They've had a decent end to the season and I think he deserved butter.... They had progressed well, 13th - 9th, then started the season well (after finishing last year well) . That's fans for you, a lot of short term and deluded thinking. Many of their fans felt they should be in the Playoffs, TBF I had them nailed on PO spot at the start. It's not that straight forward though. Not sure who comes in now, if my QPR mate is down tomorrow no doubt it will come up, will be interesting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: 1) Define a proper achievement and why. Surely silverware is a proper achievement…. 2) Why should Johnson not claim credit for developing a Player under his watch and increasing his value? What I meant was, I don’t think a club of QPR’s stature would hire a manager/head coach whose only ‘achievement’ in a seven year managerial career is a triumph in a very minor cup competition with a club the size of Sunderland. QPR’s owner and board would probably expect Sunderland to win a trophy only open to teams in div 3 and div 4 (and a few ‘age group’ teams from higher clubs) rather than be impressed by their win. And they will be acutely aware that all of QPR’s extremely close neighbours (Chelsea, Brentford and Fulham) are light years ahead of them at the moment - I think QPR will be looking for a manager who can demonstrate success at their level rather than a relatively meaningless victory in a very minor cup competition. And just to elaborate on that last point a bit - yes, I was present at all of our appearances in the final of the same competition but I very much saw them all as a good day out and I wasn’t really bothered when we lost - some City fans in front of me were in tears at the final whistle when we lost to Stoke City at Wembley - and they were not youngsters - I couldn’t believe it. I’ve also found it a bit cringeworthy when people talk of our ‘double winning season’ under Cotts - yes it’s always nice to win a trophy but I’ve never counted winning the Football League Trophy as being a major achievement - to me, winning the league one title meant much, much, much more - that was a proper trophy and I’ll never forget Cotts and that squad bringing home our first major trophy for 60 years (yes, I know we won the Anglo Scottish Cup in 1978!). And to address your second point - of course LJ should take credit for making a profit on a player - but your original reply to me indicated that you thought developing a player, and selling them on for more money than they cost, was somehow a modern phenomenon - yet we’ve been doing that for decades. Anyway, happy Friday to you and hope you have a cool weekend, cheers ... Edited April 29, 2022 by BS4 on Tour... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Warburton has been at QPR for 3 years and Mowbray at Blackburn for 5. That’s a long time for owners who want to win something, but haven’t. It’s a ruthless world for football mangers, so they expect to get the sack on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Was just thinking. It’s actually highly unusual for a manager to actually see out the length of his contract. They either get sacked, poached or extended. Don’t think I’ve seen it very much before where they just see out the length of contract and then leave. Unlike players. Must rarely happen with managers. For 2 in the same division (and at the top end of that division for that matter) to suddenly occur is somewhat unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Great reaction from the hoops fans at the game last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 Tony Mowbray told the press he's probably on the way out as he's not been offered a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) On 28/04/2022 at 13:20, GrahamC said: Think he’s a decent manager who has done a good job, but their slide down the league seems to have cost him. Wouldn’t be shocked if the same thing happens to Mowbray, another good manager. Mowbray also said he’s not been offered anything yet edit realise I’ve been beaten to this a few times! Edited April 30, 2022 by MarcusX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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