redpole Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 So with City planning next seasons defensive who can you see staying and going from the latest crop? Zak Vyner, Thomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Timm Klose, Rob Atkinson, Duncan Idehen, Rob Cundy, Ryley Towler and Taylor Moore. I can see 5 of the 9 going with another 23/24 year old league one defender coming in. I would keep Klose, Atkinson, Idehen, Towler and new CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I can’t see Vyner getting much game time. Taylor Moore will almost certainly leave AG and it’d looking unlikely that we’ll see Baker again due to his injuries. Hopefully Klose will sign - he’s been immense. Atkinson, Idehen, Cundy and probably Kalas will the CB next season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, Robbored said: I can’t see Vyner getting much game time. Taylor Moore will almost certainly leave AG and it’d looking unlikely that we’ll see Baker again due to his injuries. Hopefully Klose will sign - he’s been immense. Atkinson, Idehen, Cundy and probably Kalas will the CB next season. Speculation. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: Speculation. Isn't that the idea, Major? Or were you expecting a contribution from NP? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, redpole said: So with City planning next seasons defensive who can you see staying and going from the latest crop? Zak Vyner, Thomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Timm Klose, Rob Atkinson, Duncan Idehen, Rob Cundy, Ryley Towler and Taylor Moore. I can see 5 of the 9 going with another 23/24 year old league one defender coming in. I would keep Klose, Atkinson, Idehen, Towler and new CB. So if Klose gets injured we are left playing with 2 (or 3 depending on our formation) inexperienced centre backs. I doubt Nigel would want that. Nor do I think it is a given that Kalas will leave, though most people seem to be assuming that. If he did go we would need to sign an experienced replacement. Cundy has reportedly been offered a contract in any event. Edited May 3, 2022 by chinapig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Baker will retire Klose hopefully will sign new deal Moore & Vyner will leave Kalas will be offered a longer deal on reduced terms, imagine if he isn't interested the club will look to offload Atkinson first choice and I would look to sign one new centre back (Moore from Oxford?) Cundy as back up and Idehen behind him, possibly a loan move if we have enough cover. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Speculation. Educated speculation………. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Think Towler should go on loan for a team like Cheltenham for a season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Thought Towler’s performance today was mature, confident and classy. If he can maintain that level, more than worthy of a squad place for 2022/23. Our centre backs ain’t the problem we’ve loads of them, I’m more concerned about the wingbacks personally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 hours ago, redpole said: So with City planning next seasons defensive who can you see staying and going from the latest crop? Zak Vyner, Thomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Timm Klose, Rob Atkinson, Duncan Idehen, Rob Cundy, Ryley Towler and Taylor Moore. I can see 5 of the 9 going with another 23/24 year old league one defender coming in. I would keep Klose, Atkinson, Idehen, Towler and new CB. Loan out Towler keep cundy he will get fitter and better . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Speculation. As if on here major 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 For me, to go: vyner, moore sale of sorts, baker retirement, kalas to be sold unless he agrees to reduced wages on a new longer term deal to stay: klose, atkinson, idehen, cundy, Ostigard if kalas departs towler to be loaned out for a full season of mens football if we bring in a new cb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 hours ago, BLRed said: Ostigard if kalas departs I don't think for one minute we could afford him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 10 hours ago, RedRock said: Thought Towler’s performance today was mature, confident and classy. If he can maintain that level, more than worthy of a squad place for 2022/23. Our centre backs ain’t the problem we’ve loads of them, I’m more concerned about the wingbacks personally. One thing having lots of them it's whether they are good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 10 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Loan out Towler keep cundy he will get fitter and better . From what I’ve seen of Towler he definitely needs regular first team football and he’s unlikely to get that City so a loan to a L1 club would be ideal - who knows being a local lad he could be loaned to the gas…..……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, Robbored said: From what I’ve seen of Towler he definitely needs regular first team football and he’s unlikely to get that City so a loan to a L1 club would be ideal - who knows being a local lad he could be loaned to the gas…..……. I would be happier loaning someone crap to the Gas. I fear that even our worst players are too good for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I would be happier loaning someone crap to the Gas. I fear that even our worst players are too good for them. Under Barton they’ve become a very decent L2 team and it’s definitely possible that they’ll get automatic promotion and Towler being a Bristolian wouldn’t have to leave home if he was loaned to the blue few. It makes sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Under Barton they’ve become a very decent L2 team and it’s definitely possible that they’ll get automatic promotion and Towler being a Bristolian wouldn’t have to leave home if he was loaned to the blue few. It makes sense. Your blue sympathies seeping through Never help them in any way 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Under Barton they’ve become a very decent L2 team and it’s definitely possible that they’ll get automatic promotion and Towler being a Bristolian wouldn’t have to leave home if he was loaned to the blue few. It makes sense. He was sent to Grimsby for a reason. Didn't want it to be all comfy for him. Loan to Carlisle or Barrow next season... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 15 hours ago, redpole said: So with City planning next seasons defensive who can you see staying and going from the latest crop? Zak Vyner, Thomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Timm Klose, Rob Atkinson, Duncan Idehen, Rob Cundy, Ryley Towler and Taylor Moore. I can see 5 of the 9 going with another 23/24 year old league one defender coming in. I would keep Klose, Atkinson, Idehen, Towler and new CB. I would keep your picks but add Cundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 14 hours ago, !james said: Baker will retire Klose hopefully will sign new deal Moore & Vyner will leave Kalas will be offered a longer deal on reduced terms, imagine if he isn't interested the club will look to offload Atkinson first choice and I would look to sign one new centre back (Moore from Oxford?) Cundy as back up and Idehen behind him, possibly a loan move if we have enough cover. Atkinson came from Oxford didn't he, did he play with the Moore you mention? If so could be a ready-made pairing which would help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 22 minutes ago, Robbored said: Under Barton they’ve become a very decent L2 team and it’s definitely possible that they’ll get automatic promotion and Towler being a Bristolian wouldn’t have to leave home if he was loaned to the blue few. It makes sense. Would we really want to subject the lad to that ? I don’t think you’ve really thought this through Robbored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Your blue sympathies seeping through Never help them in any way I don’t do all that “we hate the gas” anymore. When they were in the same league as us many years ago I used to share the sentiment but not now. I actually know several gasheads in my social circle and one of them is pissed right off as he’s on holiday when they play on Saturday…….…….he hasn’t missed a home game all season. I was taking the piss out of him yesterday.. tbf he took it well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Would we really want to subject the lad to that ? I don’t think you’ve really thought this through Robbored. If it happened then we’d be lending them a player not quite ready for Championship football and they’d be giving him much needed game time. A win win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Robbored said: From what I’ve seen of Towler he definitely needs regular first team football and he’s unlikely to get that City so a loan to a L1 club would be ideal - who knows being a local lad he could be loaned to the gas…..……. I'd be reluctant to loan young players to the Fewers, if they don't do well or make an individual mistake in a game, they'll get pelters from the terraces that is unlikely to do their confidence or mental health much good. Reid and Bryan both benefitted from loans to Plymouth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I think Towler is near-ready for the Championship in his favoured position. A strong pre-season and he could be in contention for the first team squad. No way should we even consider helping The Sags after what the parasites did in ‘82 and in later years to Bristol Rugby. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Although I realise Robbored is trolling (as always), I don’t go with the argument that giving Towler a loan away from home would be more demanding on him. In fact, the most demanding loan he could have would be Rovers. In the fanciful event we loan anyone to them, that player immediately starts in debit with the fan base. Happened with Matthews. Happened with Akinde. Ryley (or anyone) has to deal with the fact his new club will be borderline hostile to him, and perform in spite of that. It’s likely to improve his mental toughness. Ultimately Rovers are a lower division local club who don’t compete with us - like Cheltenham, FGR or Exeter, just lower and less relevant in the pyramid. If we can use such a minnow to our benefit, I wouldn’t object, and as Pearson and Barton are friends (I believe) it’s a lot more likely to happen than at any other recent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: I'd be reluctant to loan young players to the Fewers, if they don't do well or make an individual mistake in a game, they'll get pelters from the terraces that is unlikely to do their confidence or mental health much good. Reid and Bryan both benefitted from loans to Plymouth. Far point but if the opposite happened and he impressed the blue few would wonder why he can’t get a start at City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 22 minutes ago, RedRock said: I think Towler is near-ready for the Championship in his favoured position. A strong pre-season and he could be in contention for the first team squad. No way should we even consider helping The Sags after what the parasites did in ‘82 and in later years to Bristol Rugby. From what I saw I really don't think he is. Needs another season loan imo, possibly to a L1-2 team. Decent going forward but players absolutely got the best of him in defence. But if next season starts and he hasn't been loaned out, I trust NP that he thinks he's ready for the champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Can see Idehen competing at LB in a similar way to when Lloyd Kelly was here. Long term a CB but LB a good way to get more minutes earlier. Towler agree needs another loan. Wouldn’t mind conference again really. Just needs to play the position a lot. Atkinson and Cundy could end up being the starting pairing the majority of the season if Klose doesn’t get fresh terms and Kalas moves on. Don’t think it would be a disaster but risky. Another signing like Klose would be needed in that scenario most likely. Would be interesting to watch them grow. Already feels like Cundy is getting to the level and Atkinson looks much more confident lately. I know nobody really likes him but I don’t see the point in getting rid of Vyner. Chances are wouldn't get much fee. He won’t be on much money here and he can cover multiple positions if needed. Let his contract run out and move on then. Like him more than Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Far point but if the opposite happened and he impressed the blue few would wonder why he can’t get a start at City. Because we are in a higher division. Just think there is little to gained, either from the development of the player, or for us as a club. If he did well, all that would succeed in doing would be to help them improve their league position, and their 'we're coming for you' bit would start all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Atkinson and Cundy could end up being the starting pairing the majority of the season if Klose doesn’t get fresh terms and Kalas moves on. I think it's unlikely Nigel will go with 2 inexperienced centre backs. Indeed he has said in the past that he wants experienced Championship defenders. Though if Klose and Kalas stay and given the form of Atkinson and Cundy he may focus on an experienced right back and not sign a centre back at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Robbored said: If it happened then we’d be lending them a player not quite ready for Championship football and they’d be giving him much needed game time. A win win situation. You forget that the owner of the 6th richest club in the country (© deluded Gasheads) refuses to do business with us because we didn't pay the £10m Matty Taylor was obviously worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Because we are in a higher division. Just think there is little to gained, either from the development of the player, or for us as a club. If he did well, all that would succeed in doing would be to help them improve their league position, and their 'we're coming for you' bit would start all over again. Of course and if Towler was on loan there and impressed it would remind them that City are biggest and better club in Bristol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, chinapig said: I think it's unlikely Nigel will go with 2 inexperienced centre backs. Indeed he has said in the past that he wants experienced Championship defenders. Though if Klose and Kalas stay and given the form of Atkinson and Cundy he may focus on an experienced right back and not sign a centre back at all. Yep. We'll only sign a CB if one of those 4 leave I'm sure. Moore and Baker to leave definitely. Vyner probably leaves if a proper RB is signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, chinapig said: I think it's unlikely Nigel will go with 2 inexperienced centre backs. Indeed he has said in the past that he wants experienced Championship defenders. Though if Klose and Kalas stay and given the form of Atkinson and Cundy he may focus on an experienced right back and not sign a centre back at all. I agree but not sure he is in love with Kalas. Then with Klose it took until January to find the right target at the right price that was available. If Klose goes, can we get a similar player early in the process that we really want. Just some food for thought. I don’t think ideally that would be the pairing we start with but I don’t think it would be a disaster. Especially if we recruit well in positions like RB and DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 19 hours ago, redpole said: So with City planning next seasons defensive who can you see staying and going from the latest crop? Zak Vyner, Thomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Timm Klose, Rob Atkinson, Duncan Idehen, Rob Cundy, Ryley Towler and Taylor Moore. I can see 5 of the 9 going with another 23/24 year old league one defender coming in. I would keep Klose, Atkinson, Idehen, Towler and new CB. Why not Cundy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said: Why not Cundy? Pearson has said he wants experienced defenders and I see that being Klose, Atkinson and new CB with Idehen and Towler as the younger ones pushing these 3 guys. I don’t see the need for a 3rd inexperienced defender on the books. Pearson has said he wants to reduce the wage bill and work with a smaller squad and I see 5 CB enough especially if Pearson wants to play 2 CB’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, redpole said: Pearson has said he wants experienced defenders and I see that being Klose, Atkinson and new CB with Idehen and Towler as the younger ones pushing these 3 guys. I don’t see the need for a 3rd inexperienced defender on the books. Pearson has said he wants to reduce the wage bill and work with a smaller squad and I see 5 CB enough especially if Pearson wants to play 2 CB’s. So Cundy has had a run of games coinciding with improved results and with praise from Nigel but he doesn't want to keep him? Seems unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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