Davefevs Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 How can you say it was a typical away performance over the past 4 years? Most fans would admit our away form has been our saving grace over that period, and those who travel have generally seen better performances than us who only go to home games (watching away on Robinstv). World Cup break is November. Why the rhetoric of Pearson will get until the World Cup break, like you’ve almost sealed his fate, that it’s going to bad next season? Are you really siding with Ian that Pearson should go. We shouldn’t judge an opposition on how many changes made, you should look at what players were changed, how good they are, etc. it’s not like Corberan brought in 6 kids, all changes were established Championship players, although the keeper is most definitely second choice. Mark called them “replacements”. He brought back in his top-scorer (Ward if you were T aware) as one of those 6. How do you reflect on that? He brought back Daniel Sinani who has made 34 starts and 10 sub apps this season. I don’t expect everyone to have an in-depth knowledge of Huddersfield’s team, but then it devalues comments made that it was a second string team put out. To then move on to Benarous’s ACL and pose the question “unfortunate or symptomatic of the hamstring probability centre” is a pretty poor lead imho. Well done Mark for not falling into the trap. Do we not listen to the pre-match interviews. Ian just went on his own agenda (again) about yellow cards for Scott. So, Scott has got 12 yellows, yet hasn’t been suspended once, so I’d imagine he’s well aware of the suspension rules and the trigger points. Then the comparison of last season to this…total failure to bring any context. Yes, we all want City to do better, but there has to be some balance to the conversation, some challenge to the negativity. It felt like “thank duck we lost, so we can all be doom and gloom again”. I stopped listening at that point. Seemed like a result influenced pod to use as a stick to bash Pearson / City. 10 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Ian is too much of a reactionary for me and is laced with an anti Pearson bias, his passive aggressive behaviour has worn tiresome. Neil and Mark are usually pretty good and worth a listen though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: How can you say it was a typical away performance over the past 4 years? Most fans would admit our away form has been our saving grace over that period, and those who travel have generally seen better performances than us who only go to home games (watching away on Robinstv). World Cup break is November. Why the rhetoric of Pearson will get until the World Cup break, like you’ve almost sealed his fate, that it’s going to bad next season? Are you really siding with Ian that Pearson should go. We shouldn’t judge an opposition on how many changes made, you should look at what players were changed, how good they are, etc. it’s not like Corberan brought in 6 kids, all changes were established Championship players, although the keeper is most definitely second choice. Mark called them “replacements”. He brought back in his top-scorer (Ward if you were T aware) as one of those 6. How do you reflect on that? He brought back Daniel Sinani who has made 34 starts and 10 sub apps this season. I don’t expect everyone to have an in-depth knowledge of Huddersfield’s team, but then it devalues comments made that it was a second string team put out. To then move on to Benarous’s ACL and pose the question “unfortunate or symptomatic of the hamstring probability centre” is a pretty poor lead imho. Well done Mark for not falling into the trap. Do we not listen to the pre-match interviews. Ian just went on his own agenda (again) about yellow cards for Scott. So, Scott has got 12 yellows, yet hasn’t been suspended once, so I’d imagine he’s well aware of the suspension rules and the trigger points. Then the comparison of last season to this…total failure to bring any context. Yes, we all want City to do better, but there has to be some balance to the conversation, some challenge to the negativity. It felt like “thank duck we lost, so we can all be doom and gloom again”. I stopped listening at that point. Seemed like a result influenced pod to use as a stick to bash Pearson / City. Some people are clueless Dave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Would be interesting to see the evolution of the Huddersfield side - but it just goes to show what you can do in a relatively short time with parachute payments and a good young(ish) manager. Oddly this is their first season in the last TEN (at least) where they've finished with a positive goal difference - they got promoted to the Premier League 16/17 via the play-offs with a -2 goal difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) https://foreverbristolcity.podbean.com/e/where-was-the-hope-for-next-season-bye-bye-hnm-have-a-nice-life/ An all too familiar display from City saw them end the season on a losing note rather than extend the unbeaten run to six games and send everyone into the summer break in relatively good spirits. Ian, Mark & DaveP spend little time reviewing the match action where sloppy goals were again evident, instead talk is of the curse of the HPC with the ACL injury to Benarous, how do you accommodate Alex Scott in a midfield without breaking up WSM and was it crocodile tears from HNM at the final whistle as he said his goodbye to the fans. If you're that sorry to be leaving just sign the contract that's been in front of you for three months and whilst we all agree you really are a decent human as a player you really haven't kicked on in the three years you've been here. Edited May 8, 2022 by Curr Avon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 What a depressing summary. Assuming the podcast follows a similar vein, negative slants everywhere. Probably one to give a miss! 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Just read the podcast summary on another thread. Doom and gloom it seems. Have a nice life HNM ?! Wtf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: What a depressing summary. Assuming the podcast follows a similar vein, negative slants everywhere. Probably one to give a miss! In fairness, depression and negativity would be a fair reflection of yesterdays 90 minutes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 The episode description was something. Then you read it's just another diatribe of reactionary and petulant ill-informed waffle. What a waste of bits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Not a good last podcast of the season, I like FBC 75% of the time but I thought this one was a chance to reflect on how far we've come in the last year and it was a really negative focus on the 90mins without context almost like we should have been perfect, no one went into the game thinking we were better than Huddersfield and we got beat by them - nothing unexpected. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 45 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: Would be interesting to see the evolution of the Huddersfield side - but it just goes to show what you can do in a relatively short time with parachute payments and a good young(ish) manager. Oddly this is their first season in the last TEN (at least) where they've finished with a positive goal difference - they got promoted to the Premier League 16/17 via the play-offs with a -2 goal difference. Yep, spot on, Still getting PPs this season. Corberan doing a fine job, but easier for Cowley and now Carlos to reshape a squad with £90m to aide it. They are set up nicely to “go again” if they don’t get up. I do like the way they play, they “battered” us to 2 defeats () last season, you could see what he was trying to do. They recruit splendidly too (Google Leigh Bromby). I actually want them to go up out of the 4 PO teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 Mods @phantom, feel free to merge this into @Curr Avon’s official FBC thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, spot on, Still getting PPs this season. Corberan doing a fine job, but easier for Cowley and now Carlos to reshape a squad with £90m to aide it. They are set up nicely to “go again” if they don’t get up. I do like the way they play, they “battered” us to 2 defeats () last season, you could see what he was trying to do. They recruit splendidly too (Google Leigh Bromby). I actually want them to go up out of the 4 PO teams. I actually think they may be the best coached and organised team I have seen in the Championship this season. Corberan has a good pedigree, which shows. They have a financial advantage over us for sure but we are not talking about Fulham level wages I suspect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: How can you say it was a typical away performance over the past 4 years? Most fans would admit our away form has been our saving grace over that period, and those who travel have generally seen better performances than us who only go to home games (watching away on Robinstv). World Cup break is November. Why the rhetoric of Pearson will get until the World Cup break, like you’ve almost sealed his fate, that it’s going to bad next season? Are you really siding with Ian that Pearson should go. We shouldn’t judge an opposition on how many changes made, you should look at what players were changed, how good they are, etc. it’s not like Corberan brought in 6 kids, all changes were established Championship players, although the keeper is most definitely second choice. Mark called them “replacements”. He brought back in his top-scorer (Ward if you were T aware) as one of those 6. How do you reflect on that? He brought back Daniel Sinani who has made 34 starts and 10 sub apps this season. I don’t expect everyone to have an in-depth knowledge of Huddersfield’s team, but then it devalues comments made that it was a second string team put out. To then move on to Benarous’s ACL and pose the question “unfortunate or symptomatic of the hamstring probability centre” is a pretty poor lead imho. Well done Mark for not falling into the trap. Do we not listen to the pre-match interviews. Ian just went on his own agenda (again) about yellow cards for Scott. So, Scott has got 12 yellows, yet hasn’t been suspended once, so I’d imagine he’s well aware of the suspension rules and the trigger points. Then the comparison of last season to this…total failure to bring any context. Yes, we all want City to do better, but there has to be some balance to the conversation, some challenge to the negativity. It felt like “thank duck we lost, so we can all be doom and gloom again”. I stopped listening at that point. Seemed like a result influenced pod to use as a stick to bash Pearson / City. No doubt Ian Gay was the main voice. He’s the most dreary and negative ‘fan’ that I know. Hes a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect……..…….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, chinapig said: I actually think they may be the best coached and organised team I have seen in the Championship this season. Corberan has a good pedigree, which shows. They have a financial advantage over us for sure but we are not talking about Fulham level wages I suspect. Agree. Agree. 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: No doubt Ian Gay was the main voice. He’s the most dreary and negative ‘fan’ that I know. Hes a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect……..…….. @NcnsBcfcmentioned this last week…I googled it….indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: https://foreverbristolcity.podbean.com/e/where-was-the-hope-for-next-season-bye-bye-hnm-have-a-nice-life/ An all too familiar display from City saw them end the season on a losing note rather than extend the unbeaten run to six games and send everyone into the summer break in relatively good spirits. Ian, Mark & DaveP spend little time reviewing the match action where sloppy goals were again evident, instead talk is of the curse of the HPC with the ACL injury to Benarous, how do you accommodate Alex Scott in a midfield without breaking up WSM and was it crocodile tears from HNM at the final whistle as he said his goodbye to the fans. If you're that sorry to be leaving just sign the contract that's been in front of you for three months and whilst we all agree you really are a decent human as a player you really haven't kicked on in the three years you've been here. I need to listen to this! First i have heard of Benarous's' ACL, THAT is sad news. Can HNM be blamed for wanting to improve his career, get better coaching, and play within a higher grade of abilities? It is extremely unfair to accuse a 21 year old of crocodile tears, when he obviously has affection for the club....but quite reasonably wants to play at a higher level and be ambitious. HNM could supply the funds to overhaul our very average midfield, which would be a great legacy for him to leave?. He has never got a consistent run in the side, and was often switched position, so taking that into consideration, i think he has performed well. More knowledgeable coaches than you or I are willing to pay comparatively big money for him, so THEY can obviously see what he can eventually achieve..........I wish him all the very best, and believe he can leave with his head held high...............anyway off to this podcast...Ha! 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 MJ - he’s 20 - stop it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree. Agree. @NcnsBcfcmentioned this last week…I googled it….indeed. If I see his name on a podcast I don’t bother to listen. I know exactly what he’ll say - the negative shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, Robbored said: Hes a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: @NcnsBcfcmentioned this last week…I googled it What would we do without Google ? Every days a school day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Robbored said: No doubt Ian Gay was the main voice. He’s the most dreary and negative ‘fan’ that I know. Hes a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect……..…….. And you make the same comment every week which is the Déjà vu effect. Edited May 8, 2022 by Curr Avon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, Robbored said: No doubt Ian Gay was the main voice. He’s the most dreary and negative ‘fan’ that I know. Hes a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect……..…….. Quite so. Plus motivated reasoning*. * something else for people to google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, chinapig said: Quite so. Plus motivated reasoning*. * something else for people to google. No need to Google it - more commonly called ‘own hidden agenda’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Yep we all seem so well informed, and and at times almost intellectual after Pheckin googling? The Dunner-Kruger effect indeed? .......What next? An expose of the Freudian id, ego and superego within the pre match dressing room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Luton haven't changed their manager this season. Scott will be banned 3 or 4 times next season...really !! We need to clear out the entire midfield hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Still banging on about leaving Martin out and breaking up our front 3 next season. Oh and replace the entire midfield, which obviously would include Scott, Benarous, Williams. Replace Pearson in September During the World Cup break ( guys the world cup isn't until November !!) Gave me a good laugh for an hour, these guys really are a joke. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZumerZetSmithy Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Easy for me I stopped listening to the rubbish. I am no expert and like a bit of fun and stupid stuff . But could not list to the rubbish dished up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, maxjak said: Yep we all seem so well informed, and and at times almost intellectual after Pheckin googling? The Dunner-Kruger effect indeed? .......What next? An expose of the Freudian id, ego and superego within the pre match dressing room? Oi you, stop it…just concentrate on getting Han’s age right, before you confuse me with all this malarkey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, maxjak said: I need to listen to this! First i have heard of Benarous's' ACL, THAT is sad news. Can HNM be blamed for wanting to improve his career, get better coaching, and play within a higher grade of abilities? It is extremely unfair to accuse a 21 year old of crocodile tears, when he obviously has affection for the club....but quite reasonably wants to play at a higher level and be ambitious. HNM could supply the funds to overhaul our very average midfield, which would be a great legacy for him to leave?. He has never got a consistent run in the side, and was often switched position, so taking that into consideration, i think he has performed well. More knowledgeable coaches than you or I are willing to pay comparatively big money for him, so THEY can obviously see what he can eventually achieve..........I wish him all the very best, and believe he can leave with his head held high...............anyway off to this podcast...Ha! Agree that HNM has the ability to play at a higher level and will no doubt kick on big time in the right team (a possession based team). The more knowledgeable coaches are paid to spot that. That team isn’t us. It says a lot about his time here that his “legacy” will be probably to get us out of the shit FFP wise rather than any goals or assists that we can look back on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Interested to know how many listeners you get. I imagine it’s decreasing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, maxjak said: I need to listen to this! First i have heard of Benarous's' ACL, THAT is sad news. Can HNM be blamed for wanting to improve his career, get better coaching, and play within a higher grade of abilities? It is extremely unfair to accuse a 21 year old of crocodile tears, when he obviously has affection for the club....but quite reasonably wants to play at a higher level and be ambitious. HNM could supply the funds to overhaul our very average midfield, which would be a great legacy for him to leave?. He has never got a consistent run in the side, and was often switched position, so taking that into consideration, i think he has performed well. More knowledgeable coaches than you or I are willing to pay comparatively big money for him, so THEY can obviously see what he can eventually achieve..........I wish him all the very best, and believe he can leave with his head held high...............anyway off to this podcast...Ha! Completely agree on your comments about HNM. @Curr Avonplayers can be sad at leaving a club, maybe HNM feels he has outgrown city and feels for his career best to move on , despite liking it at the club and being happy living in Bristol. I think the comment of ‘crocodile tears’ extremely disrespectful and ignorant. Have you never changed employer, where a new employer offers better benefits, wherever that be more income, working pattern etc but been sad to leave your current employer? Please remember how young HNM was when he came to us, a new country, a new language possibly away from family and friends. I’m sure a number of people at the club both playing and non playing have helped him settle into the club and Am Not everything is as black and white as you obviously want to portray it Edited May 8, 2022 by daored 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Spot on @maxjak and @daored. I’ve really enjoyed HNM while he’s been here - from that very first game at QPR and through all the ups and downs. He’s got the ability and the personality to kick on big time in his career, but I don’t think it’s with us. I’ve got no doubt he’s got very mixed feelings about leaving - we’ve given him a big step up and for a midfielder of his age at this level a lot of games and experience. The fact that the City fans in the away end yesterday were chanting his name loud and clear when the players came over at the end, while the other players put him centre stage, would have choked up many players. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, billywedlock said: Surprised you wasted any energy on that clap trap . Ill informed dross that is discussed between self appointed city experts who do not have the decency to prepare for their broadcast by listening to or reading reference material that is readily readily available . Therefore end up talking total bo11ox and misinformation. Worst pod cast by a country mile out of the many out there . Don’t waste your life on such rubbish . I sit near Neil, (he’s not on this one) so can hear his sensible views simply by chatting to him. Life is far too short to listen to the rest, what would I learn? Ian makes a lot of stuff up? Dave P started the season saying Weimann was “almost stealing a living” “just runs around”? Always says “I’m backing Nige” then slags him off? Absolutely futile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 It’s a shit podcast at the end of the day and the contributors need replacing during the World Cup break. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: I sit near Neil, (he’s not on this one) so can hear his sensible views simply by chatting to him. Life is far too short to listen to the rest, what would I learn? Ian makes a lot of stuff up? Dave P started the season saying Weimann was “almost stealing a living” “just runs around”? Always says “I’m backing Nige” then slags him off? Absolutely futile. Too kind @GrahamC. Yep, I was on my way back from Huddersfield so couldn't be live on this one. I did try and make some points early on, on the chat element of podbean about trying not to be kneejerk in reaction to an away defeat against a very good team; but unfortunately it's difficult to have add any form of balance to the debate if you're not live on it. I only listened to the first 10-15 mins, before mobile data cut out on the M42. I didn't agree with a lot of points raised from what I heard, but heh; that's opinions. @billywedlock respect your views on the podcast. But reading the feedback on these topics; this seems like thus was an edition that perhaps allowed negativity to get somewhat out of control. I think in recent months, most of the views on the podcast have been reasoned, and well discussed. Yes, there will be some by Ian in particular that i just laugh at; but at times he's just a panto comedy villain in my eyes . Setting that aside, I still think it's generally a good broadcast; and @headhunter has done some brilliant interviews with the likes of Alan Dicks, Joe Royle and Rob Newman in recent months. I hope to do some reviews with David over the summer of the season. Personally I think there are a number of positives to the season, whilst acknowledging that results haven't always been the best. Fascinating summer transfer window ahead as well. Lots of twists and turns I reckon. If Brownhill, and or Webster goes for big money; it could also transform our summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, daored said: Completely agree on your comments about HNM. @Curr Avonplayers can be sad at leaving a club, maybe HNM feels he has outgrown city and feels for his career best to move on , despite liking it at the club and being happy living in Bristol. I think the comment of ‘crocodile tears’ extremely disrespectful and ignorant. Have you never changed employer, where a new employer offers better benefits, wherever that be more income, working pattern etc but been sad to leave your current employer? Please remember how young HNM was when he came to us, a new country, a new language possibly away from family and friends. I’m sure a number of people at the club both playing and non playing have helped him settle into the club and Am Not everything is as black and white as you obviously want to portray it I didn't make the 'crocodile tears' comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: I didn't make the 'crocodile tears' comment. Your post: and was it crocodile tears from HNM at the final whistle as he said his goodbye to the fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, daored said: Your post: and was it crocodile tears from HNM at the final whistle as he said his goodbye to the fans. I just cut and pasted the summary from the website. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: I just cut and pasted the summary from the website. Fair enough , read as your comment / personal view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 8 hours ago, billywedlock said: Surprised you wasted any energy on that clap trap . Ill informed dross that is discussed between self appointed city experts who do not have the decency to prepare for their broadcast by listening to or reading reference material that is readily readily available . Therefore end up talking total bo11ox and misinformation. Worst pod cast by a country mile out of the many out there . Don’t waste your life on such rubbish . I have to turn off most weeks becuase of the ******* phones going off and tippy tapping of keyboards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 14 hours ago, Numero Uno said: It’s a shit podcast at the end of the day and the contributors need replacing during the World Cup break. It's been removed from my subscribed podcasts for a while now, that was for a combination of the awful sound quality and Ian Gay. You can fix one but not the other. I should also say though, that I fully imagine there are people it would appeal to. That being the people that like the phone-in contributors on Radio Bristol. To call it shit and dismiss it out of hand is to not appreciate the time and effort that the people making this podcast put in. If you don't like it then just don't listen. Christ knows there's enough podcasts out there I've done that with, and there are also enough to keep the world supplied many times over. Bristol City specific podcasts though, are a scarce commodity (there are 3 I think?), and each should be encouraged and not denigrated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni71 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 A real low for me on FBC this week. Missed Neil’s balance and thought leadership and transcended into the angry old man’s club again. Ian’s random comment generator this week - get rid of the whole midfield - De Silva not good enough - Pearson has until the World Cup - Pulled out his old favourite about Derbys point deduction and how they would be ahead of us on points if they hadn’t cheated. Such lack of balance in Ian’s comments and so knee jerk. Given his astute business knowledge and his pearls of wisdom re Calum O’Dowda’s contract last week, you would have thought he would consider his comments more carefully. @Davefevsdid Ian ever give his view on where we would finish this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I admire people who spend the time and energy (and probably money) to put these podcasts together, I couldn't do it myself and I'm grateful to those who do. But, like all things, you either like 'em or you don't. I've stopped listening to the after match episodes from all of them, but find the interviews with ex-players etc, very good and hope they continue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 @Beni71he said 17/18th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Haven't listened to the post Huddersfield podcast yet. It sounds like it may not be their finest hour but generally I like FBC. It's fans' opinions so they won't expect get it right all the time or please everyone. Boring if they did. Someone above said listening figures must be going down; I gathered they were healthy and, if anything, increasing. Hopefully @headhunter won't be too disheartened by the opprobrium vented on this thread; the efforts involved in providing the pod for us fans (who can simply choose to take it or leave it after al) is appreciated. Some of the more damning critics on this thread should perhaps offer themselves up to be on the panel and see how their opinions are judged. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 6 hours ago, richwwtk said: It's been removed from my subscribed podcasts for a while now, that was for a combination of the awful sound quality and Ian Gay. You can fix one but not the other. I should also say though, that I fully imagine there are people it would appeal to. That being the people that like the phone-in contributors on Radio Bristol. To call it shit and dismiss it out of hand is to not appreciate the time and effort that the people making this podcast put in. If you don't like it then just don't listen. Christ knows there's enough podcasts out there I've done that with, and there are also enough to keep the world supplied many times over. Bristol City specific podcasts though, are a scarce commodity (there are 3 I think?), and each should be encouraged and not denigrated. I wasn’t being serious tbh and a few posters realised that although, having said that, I’m sure the pro’s on these podcasts (in their own minds anyway) can handle a little bit of non-constructive or agenda led criticism of their work just like the real pro’s do from these podcasts at times…..…if you want to go round making controversial statements like “crocodile tears” and factually wrong statements like sack Pearson during the World Cup break in September then don’t you expect the odd bit of criticism of your output? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 23 hours ago, Davefevs said: Oi you, stop it…just concentrate on getting Han’s age right, before you confuse me with all this malarkey. I wish i was 20 again! Ha! Come on Dave....you must know that I regard you as the Guru of all things City.......and most of the time the only poster who's opinion is worth reading!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, maxjak said: I wish i was 20 again! Ha! Come on Dave....you must know that I regard you as the Guru of all things City.......and most of the time the only poster who's opinion is worth reading!! 20, eh? I would’ve been a disaster had I had to move to France for a job doing spreadsheets for £50k p.w. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Haven't listened to the post Huddersfield podcast yet. It sounds like it may not be their finest hour but generally I like FBC. It's fans' opinions so they won't expect get it right all the time or please everyone. Boring if they did. Someone above said listening figures must be going down; I gathered they were healthy and, if anything, increasing. Hopefully @headhunter won't be too disheartened by the opprobrium vented on this thread; the efforts involved in providing the pod for us fans (who can simply choose to take it or leave it after al) is appreciated. Some of the more damning critics on this thread should perhaps offer themselves up to be on the panel and see how their opinions are judged. Thanks for the positive comments and those of others including @Tafkarmlf & @richwwtk From the critics, these caught my eye ... @View from the Dolman "reactionary, petulant, ill informed waffle" - @billywedlock "worst podcast by a country mile, talk total bollox & misinformation" @Numero Uno "it's a *hit podcast and the contributors need replacing" Nothing stopping any of you coming on to give an alternative view - I'll do a pre-season piece with you as a trio if you like. @Sir Geoff "leaving out Martin, breaking the front 3" - sounds mad in a single sentence but how do you accommodate Scott who can only play in a 3? @David Brent "no listeners" - published data would suggest otherwise. Nothing I can find on the "irreverent" OSIB but comparing us with the "increasingly safe, nigh on official club pod" that is 3 Peaps, this tells me our following is growing: Sample: match review podcasts: the 5 up to Huddersfield at home in December vs. last 5 to this weekend: pre-Christmas 3 Peaps had 18% more downloads, for the more recent period FBC has 14% more downloads, a big swing. It is all about opinions and, as I have said before Ian is a Piers Morgan type who will attract comments like that made by @Robboredin this current thread, "the negative shite". @NcnsBcfc & @Curr Avon provide a suitable antidote as many have commented. Love doing it, maybe I should be looking at finding a sponsor if this growth continues!!!! 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) FBC has become my first listen of the weekend (not just as they are normally first up), and I am the happiest of happy clappers! you want to be entertained as well as informed, when listening to things about city... They are all entertaining including Ian. None of them say they are always right about everything. I actually listened to the last FBC twice this weekend (as I had loads of DIY stuff and all the city podcasts keep me company whist doing it), I did not think it over the top when reflecting on the game and the whole season... Yes its a bit negative and yes we have been on a good run and yes Huddersfield are a good side...... but on the flip side they are mostly correct in what they say, judged on the season we have been poor results wise and mostly even worse to watch. "fake tears" from overpaid footballers are all too common, be it from 20 years olds or 30+ year olds... HNM has flattered to deceive from the start and yes I am afraid it probably is to do with his "look" as much as anything else. AW has been nothing less then brilliant this season and Headhunter has repeatedly admitted it and said he got it wrong. but in the past seasons he has run around in a slightly headless way for much of the time. so judged before this season FBC had that about right. FBC don't follow the party line and are the better for it, they are knowledgeable on football and passionate about City, we should value all the pods as they are all good in their own way. it does probably need one more "happy clapper" on there to balance it up. I really value all Dave Fevs says and see where he is coming from, but I for one dont want Ian G or the others to change their ways, its more fun to listen to and they are not ASKING anyone else to feel the same way, they are just giving their opinions.. long may it continue... the only moan I have is the background sounds of keyboard tapping and hand washing that seems to go on every episode! Edited May 9, 2022 by brady bunch a few typos... 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, brady bunch said: FBC has become my first listen of the weekend (not just as they are normally first up), and I am the happiest of happy clappers! you want to be entertained as well as informed, when listening to things about city... They are all entertaining including Ian. None of them say they are always right about everything. I actually listened to the last FBC twice this weekend (as I had loads of DIY stuff and all the city podcasts keep me company whist doing it), I did not think it over the top when reflecting on the game and the whole season... Yes its a bit negative and yes we have been on a good run and yes Huddersfield are a good side...... but on the flip side they are mostly correct in what they say, judged on the season we have been poor results wise and mostly even worse to watch. "fake tears" from overpaid footballers are all too common, be it from 20 years olds or 30+ year olds... HNM has flattered to deceive from the start and yes I am afraid it probably is to do with his "look" as much as anything else. AW has been nothing less then brilliant this season and Headhunter has repeatedly admitted it and said he got it wrong. but in the past seasons he has run around in a slightly headless way for much of the time. so judged before this season FBC had that about right. FBC don't follow the party line and are the better for it, they are knowledgeable on football and passionate about City, we should value all the pods as they are all good in their own way. it does probably need one more "happy clapper" on there to balance it up. I really value all Dave Fevs says and see where he is coming from, but I for one dont want Ian G or the others to change their ways, its more fun to listen to and they are not ASKING anyone else to feel the same way, they are just giving their opinions.. long may it continue... the only moan I have is the background sounds of keyboard tapping and hand washing that seems to go on every episode! That pretty much sums up my views on the pod. I criticise Mr Gay quite often for his views, but I'll still listen as that is the beauty of opinions. It's better when Neil is on there who imo is the most balanced fan on there. I still think the podcast is probably the best one out there as it causes the most reactions on this forum. And I agree about Massengo - he has flattered to deceive. Just look at his Goal and assist stats - it's not great for a player of his talent. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG City Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 FBC is definitely my 'go to' out of the ones on offer. Ian can be very marmite, but that is what makes FBC what it is. The interviews with past players etc are great, and we must remember the guys aren't getting paid to do this, and you aren't obliged to listen either. One thing which did make me laugh is Ian takes great pride in telling everyone you can't just get rid of Wells, Palmer and Bakinson as they are in contract, yet on this weeks episode he wants to clear out the whole of the midfield (when Williams, James, Bakinson, Massengo all under contract). Can't have it both ways! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, headhunter said: It is all about opinions and, as I have said before Ian is a Piers Morgan type who will attract comments like that made by @Robboredin this current thread, "the negative shite". @NcnsBcfc & @Curr Avon provide a suitable antidote as many have commented. I don’t listen to the podcasts simply because of Mr Negative. He’s incredibly pessimistic about all things City - it’s repetitive and dreary shite. He gives the impression that if NP and SL did it his way City would already be in the PL……ffs…… Jeez……..….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 hours ago, headhunter said: Thanks for the positive comments and those of others including @Tafkarmlf & @richwwtk From the critics, these caught my eye ... @View from the Dolman "reactionary, petulant, ill informed waffle" - @billywedlock "worst podcast by a country mile, talk total bollox & misinformation" @Numero Uno "it's a *hit podcast and the contributors need replacing" Nothing stopping any of you coming on to give an alternative view - I'll do a pre-season piece with you as a trio if you like. @Sir Geoff "leaving out Martin, breaking the front 3" - sounds mad in a single sentence but how do you accommodate Scott who can only play in a 3? @David Brent "no listeners" - published data would suggest otherwise. Nothing I can find on the "irreverent" OSIB but comparing us with the "increasingly safe, nigh on official club pod" that is 3 Peaps, this tells me our following is growing: Sample: match review podcasts: the 5 up to Huddersfield at home in December vs. last 5 to this weekend: pre-Christmas 3 Peaps had 18% more downloads, for the more recent period FBC has 14% more downloads, a big swing. It is all about opinions and, as I have said before Ian is a Piers Morgan type who will attract comments like that made by @Robboredin this current thread, "the negative shite". @NcnsBcfc & @Curr Avon provide a suitable antidote as many have commented. Love doing it, maybe I should be looking at finding a sponsor if this growth continues!!!! My comment didn’t say “no listeners”. If numbers are increasing then good luck to you. I’ve given it a try. It’s still just ill informed personal opinions between 3 blokes in a pub though. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 3 hours ago, headhunter said: Thanks for the positive comments and those of others including @Tafkarmlf & @richwwtk From the critics, these caught my eye ... @View from the Dolman "reactionary, petulant, ill informed waffle" - @billywedlock "worst podcast by a country mile, talk total bollox & misinformation" @Numero Uno "it's a *hit podcast and the contributors need replacing" Nothing stopping any of you coming on to give an alternative view - I'll do a pre-season piece with you as a trio if you like. @Sir Geoff "leaving out Martin, breaking the front 3" - sounds mad in a single sentence but how do you accommodate Scott who can only play in a 3? @David Brent "no listeners" - published data would suggest otherwise. Nothing I can find on the "irreverent" OSIB but comparing us with the "increasingly safe, nigh on official club pod" that is 3 Peaps, this tells me our following is growing: Sample: match review podcasts: the 5 up to Huddersfield at home in December vs. last 5 to this weekend: pre-Christmas 3 Peaps had 18% more downloads, for the more recent period FBC has 14% more downloads, a big swing. It is all about opinions and, as I have said before Ian is a Piers Morgan type who will attract comments like that made by @Robboredin this current thread, "the negative shite". @NcnsBcfc & @Curr Avon provide a suitable antidote as many have commented. Love doing it, maybe I should be looking at finding a sponsor if this growth continues!!!! you missed the most obvious bit of my statement when quoting me. That’s ok though. Luckily none of your other panel contributors do that when quoting Nige otherwise your podcast would be at least one third full of agenda led and emotional waffle from the self appointed football guru of the South West based on the result that day. I’ll decline your invitation thanks………… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Listening to 3 non entities isn’t my bag, but fair play if there’s a market for it, fill your boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Don’t get the hate for FBC to be honest. It’s the first city pod I listen to each week, followed by OSIB and then maybe 3 peaps but I struggle to get on board with 3 peaps as it does play things very safe r.e. Any criticism of the team or club. FBC and OSIB will at least call out crap football when they see it, and let’s face it - apart from Hull 5-0 there’s been an awful lot of crap to discuss this season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Beni71 said: A real low for me on FBC this week. Missed Neil’s balance and thought leadership and transcended into the angry old man’s club again. Ian’s random comment generator this week - get rid of the whole midfield - De Silva not good enough - Pearson has until the World Cup - Pulled out his old favourite about Derbys point deduction and how they would be ahead of us on points if they hadn’t cheated. Such lack of balance in Ian’s comments and so knee jerk. Given his astute business knowledge and his pearls of wisdom re Calum O’Dowda’s contract last week, you would have thought he would consider his comments more carefully. @Davefevsdid Ian ever give his view on where we would finish this season? Yeah, same for me. Very bleak listen. Don’t get me wrong it’s been far from great this season but we’ve got through it and finished pretty much where we thought we would. There have been some real positives, especially with the young talent being given an opportunity. Real disappointing end this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokes7 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Whoever hosts it, some of the stuff he comes out with makes me laugh, hans crocodile tears just because not signing a new contract, it wouldn’t suprise me if the club are trying to push him out he is a saleable asset, flattered to deceive in some way yes, but I think it comes down a lot to coaching, oh and I thought hnm and Scott were a good pairing in the middle but as soon as James was fit hnm was dropped, Sheffield utd 2nd half was quality but again dropped, and saying about if kalas doesn’t sign a contract then needs to be sold, too quick to get on the back of a player, how do we even know he’s been offered an extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 09/05/2022 at 14:43, headhunter said: Thanks for the positive comments and those of others including @Tafkarmlf & @richwwtk From the critics, these caught my eye ... @View from the Dolman "reactionary, petulant, ill informed waffle" - @billywedlock "worst podcast by a country mile, talk total bollox & misinformation" @Numero Uno "it's a *hit podcast and the contributors need replacing" Nothing stopping any of you coming on to give an alternative view - I'll do a pre-season piece with you as a trio if you like. @Sir Geoff "leaving out Martin, breaking the front 3" - sounds mad in a single sentence but how do you accommodate Scott who can only play in a 3? @David Brent "no listeners" - published data would suggest otherwise. Nothing I can find on the "irreverent" OSIB but comparing us with the "increasingly safe, nigh on official club pod" that is 3 Peaps, this tells me our following is growing: Sample: match review podcasts: the 5 up to Huddersfield at home in December vs. last 5 to this weekend: pre-Christmas 3 Peaps had 18% more downloads, for the more recent period FBC has 14% more downloads, a big swing. It is all about opinions and, as I have said before Ian is a Piers Morgan type who will attract comments like that made by @Robboredin this current thread, "the negative shite". @NcnsBcfc & @Curr Avon provide a suitable antidote as many have commented. Love doing it, maybe I should be looking at finding a sponsor if this growth continues!!!! Who says Scott can only play in a 3 ? The front three have been so successful this season you (NP) can't contemplate breaking them up, which is why Scott has been getting a lot of 'Championship' minutes at wing back. Yes he is better infield but I suspect next season he will be vying with James and Williams for a starting place rather than displacing Weimann as a 10. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 09/05/2022 at 15:20, 2015 said: That pretty much sums up my views on the pod. I criticise Mr Gay quite often for his views, but I'll still listen as that is the beauty of opinions. It's better when Neil is on there who imo is the most balanced fan on there. I still think the podcast is probably the best one out there as it causes the most reactions on this forum. And I agree about Massengo - he has flattered to deceive. Just look at his Goal and assist stats - it's not great for a player of his talent. Goals and assists is a lazy way of judging any player that isn't a forward, especially a box to box midfielder, but to each their own. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, KegCity said: Goals and assists is a lazy way of judging any player that isn't a forward, especially a box to box midfielder, but to each their own. Not when he hasn't scored a goal for the club in 3 seasons. I'm sorry but for a midfielder of his talent, it's not great. Noted how I said 'talent' - that's me rating the lad, I just think he needs to add goals to his game, even if it's 3/4 a season which is totally reasonable for Massengo, in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NcnsBcfc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Total: Sorry Dave, who is this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, 2015 said: Not when he hasn't scored a goal for the club in 3 seasons. I'm sorry but for a midfielder of his talent, it's not great. Noted how I said 'talent' - that's me rating the lad, I just think he needs to add goals to his game, even if it's 3/4 a season which is totally reasonable for Massengo, in my opinion. Yeah it would be great for him to have found the back of the net, equally its not his job and he's been a whisker away on numerous occasions. Personally I think he brings more than enough to the team to counteract not scoring 3/4 goals a season. A lot of people agree with you that he's flattered to deceive, I just think basing that on him not scoring is harsh and a bit of a lazy analysis. Certainly needs to be more consistent, although that's hard when we're already a painfully inconsistent team. I think it'll help him playing in a better team wherever he ends up next season, somewhere where he can spend more time on the ball and have better support around him. I can only point to the games he started with Scott in midfield to show his quality. Either way, thats not what this thread is discussing so I'll leave it, just does irk me seeing him moaned at for not scoring when it 1. isn't his job and 2. ignores everything else he does well including carrying the ball into the box and creating chances. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Sorry Dave, who is this? Pretty sure it’s Korey Smith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: Pretty sure it’s Korey Smith. Yep, just to show how important a player can be without measuring their success/ failure on goals and assists…or even when comparing players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, 2015 said: Not when he hasn't scored a goal for the club in 3 seasons. I'm sorry but for a midfielder of his talent, it's not great. Noted how I said 'talent' - that's me rating the lad, I just think he needs to add goals to his game, even if it's 3/4 a season which is totally reasonable for Massengo, in my opinion. I remember in one of Massengo's earliest appearances at AG he almost scored twice. Both were from 1-2's initiated by him on the edge of the box, and then running forward to meet the return with headers. One header went just wide, the other was well saved. His natural game on arrival definitely looked to have goals in it, so I can only think the lack of them comes down to how he's been to play since - much less adventurously perhaps. Certainly on the evidence of that early display it's remarkable he's never scored for us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said: Who says Scott can only play in a 3 ? The front three have been so successful this season you (NP) can't contemplate breaking them up, which is why Scott has been getting a lot of 'Championship' minutes at wing back. Yes he is better infield but I suspect next season he will be vying with James and Williams for a starting place rather than displacing Weimann as a 10. This is just an opinion ffs! William fitness record is questionable and James's legs are already looking heavy. Do you see Scott in your 1st XI? If yes, where? Nige won't break the front 3, I accept that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Yep, just to show how important a player can be without measuring their success/ failure on goals and assists…or even when comparing players. @Davefevs You and I have spoken about Massengo; and I've taken on board your feelings on him as a player. I understand your points around the type of European coaching that Massengo has had that leads to his style of play. The issue for me, is that like say Nagy; Massengo has talent, but maybe it's not suited to either the English game; or potentially NP's way of doing things. He's been here 3 seasons now, and played in close to 100 games for City. I thought after the Millwall second half, and Preston game that he might have turned a corner; but he seems to have regressed again. You are completely right about goals/assists are not the only indicator of success. But it would be interesting to hear what fans think with regard to what ways Massengo has actually developed/improved in those 3 years. Because, with Scott potentially moving back into CM next season, Massengo would only be 4th/5th choice for me in that position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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