LJ to Hibs

[City Rocker]

48 minutes ago, Harry said:

His kid goes to school in Clifton so you probs saw him after the school run 

Well he was in a tracksuit so I'm guessing he was heading over to the Downs for a cheeky kickabout with his mates.

[Bristol Oil Services]

54 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

Well he was in a tracksuit 

Was the tracksuit sporting his initials? 

[Elruliri]

A bit of a come down, Sunderland to forest Green rovers that's like Bristol Manor Farm to gas!

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, City Rocker said:

Well he was in a tracksuit so I'm guessing he was heading over to the Downs for a cheeky kickabout with his mates.

You sure it wasn’t a onesie  ?

Edited May 13, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[The Swan and Cemetery]

Man City PPG this season 2.47, Liverpool 2.38. Celtic 2.43, Rangers 2.32. Pub league that EPL. 

[Harry]

39 minutes ago, Elruliri said:

A bit of a come down, Sunderland to forest Green rovers that's like Bristol Manor Farm to gas!

Far as I know, he won’t be going to either Hibs nor Forest Green. 

[LondonBristolian]

I think LJ did a much more solid job than us that he sometimes gets credit for but I don't know that he did enough of a good job with us or at the other clubs he has been with to make the top of shortlists for most Championship or even League 1 or SPL clubs.

I'd imagine his name will come up quite a bit as an option when boards compile shortlists and that he probably will sometimes end up being one of the five or six managers that are being considered for roles but I could easily imagine him in a situation where he struggles to get job not because he's unemployable but because, with any vacancy, there's always a more employable candidate. 

[maxjak]

Celtic celebrate their league win by beating   the 5th place side, Motherwell 6-0 , who were 44 points behind them prior to kick off.   Scottish football is so edge of the seat, and overwhelmingly exciting ?       

[SecretSam]

Sorry, but Scottish football is tinpot.

[Numero Uno]

On 13/05/2022 at 16:02, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Man City PPG this season 2.47, Liverpool 2.38. Celtic 2.43, Rangers 2.32. Pub league that EPL. 

I suppose the difference is that the likes of Taylor Moore could play for all bar two of the sides in the SPL and would not even get close to the bench for Norwich. He’d struggle to get on the bench for us tbf.

[GrahamC]

26 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Celtic celebrate their league win by beating   the 5th place side, Motherwell 6-0 , who were 44 points behind them prior to kick off.   Scottish football is so edge of the seat, and overwhelmingly exciting ?       

Difference between first & 4th (Arsenal) in the Prem is currently 23 points, first to sixth is 31,  not as much I grant you, but our top league has been going the same way for a while.

Scotland is like Portugal & The Netherlands, a couple of really big teams who regularly play minnows.

[maxjak]

13 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Difference between first & 4th (Arsenal) in the Prem is currently 23 points, first to sixth is 31,  not as much I grant you, but our top league has been going the same way for a while.

Scotland is like Portugal & The Netherlands, a couple of really big teams who regularly play minnows.

Our top league has been going the same way? Not quite?............it's not constantly dominated by 2 just clubs.  The example of the anomaly of the Leicester win in '16 could never, ever be replicated in Scotland........at least not since 37 years ago?

Edited May 14, 2022 by maxjak

[The Swan and Cemetery]

2 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

I suppose the difference is that the likes of Taylor Moore could play for all bar two of the sides in the SPL and would not even get close to the bench for Norwich. He’d struggle to get on the bench for us tbf.

Yes, although TM hasn’t torn up trees for Hearts and is getting sent back as not good enough is the vibe? Is the EPL a higher standard than the SPL, yes, but the SPL has a Europa League finalist with PPG that implies no more of a two horse race than the EPL, so also seems plausible that it’s not a ‘pub league’ as some of the lazier posters on here and elsewhere would imply. 

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Yes, although TM hasn’t torn up trees for Hearts and is getting sent back as not good enough is the vibe? Is the EPL a higher standard than the SPL, yes, but the SPL has a Europa League finalist with PPG that implies no more of a two horse race than the EPL, so also seems plausible that it’s not a ‘pub league’ as some of the lazier posters on here and elsewhere would imply. 

I really like this chart:

Top 2 in Scotland would be a top team in the Champ, whilst an average team in Scotland is top half Lg1.

I do think Scottish football is improving though.

[The Swan and Cemetery]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I really like this chart:

Top 2 in Scotland would be a top team in the Champ, whilst an average team in Scotland is top half Lg1.

I do think Scottish football is improving though.

Think that’s a pretty fair assessment (SPL a long way above pub league, but below the top 2 leagues in England). Not entirely convinced by MLS, but hey ho. 

[TonyTonyTony]

37 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I really like this chart:

Top 2 in Scotland would be a top team in the Champ, whilst an average team in Scotland is top half Lg1.

I do think Scottish football is improving though.

For context : Gasheads finished third in the bottom of all those leagues.

[GrahamC]

Being announced today, apparently.

[RedEd73]

Talksport reporting appointment is imminent..... Hopefully Talksport's definition of imminent isn't the same as Quantuma's!

Edited May 18, 2022 by RedEd73

[KegCity]

On 14/05/2022 at 21:08, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Yes, although TM hasn’t torn up trees for Hearts and is getting sent back as not good enough is the vibe? Is the EPL a higher standard than the SPL, yes, but the SPL has a Europa League finalist with PPG that implies no more of a two horse race than the EPL, so also seems plausible that it’s not a ‘pub league’ as some of the lazier posters on here and elsewhere would imply. 

It's obviously not a pub league but the difference in quality is pretty clear. Outside the top 2 it's top end championship standard at best, that's not the case with the Premier League.

[Northern Red]

McAllister going in as assistant, unsurprisingly.

[Kid in the Riot]

On 13/05/2022 at 16:03, Harry said:

Far as I know, he won’t be going to either Hibs nor Forest Green. 

Oh really?! 

I did tell you otherwise (after you posted the above, granted) 

[Kid in the Riot]

On 12/05/2022 at 23:14, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well, that’s interesting, although having followed The Jags home and away thoughout the 1980s and 1990s I know how much club loyalty means to Scottish football fans - the fact both Lee Johnson and Jamie McAllister played for the Jam Tarts would instantly turn an Easter Road crowd against them - despite futile attempts from south of the border to play down and ridicule Scottish football, I have never witnessed passion, rivalry hatred, getting behind your team and obviously caring so bl**dy much as I did during my many years following the Harry Wraggs from Maryhill - some of the memories still move me to tears ... as you were

LJ hardly played for them and McAllister is a Man United fan from Glasgow. I doubt they'll care too much. 

Must have been interesting following Hibs in the 80s, they had a pretty renowned set of troublemakers! 

[Fordy62]

This job feels like it needs to be a successful one, otherwise his stock is going to be pretty low. 

[GrahamC]

13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

LJ hardly played for them and McAllister is a Man United fan from Glasgow. I doubt they'll care too much. 

Must have been interesting following Hibs in the 80s, they had a pretty renowned set of troublemakers! 

Re LJ I posted this before, he played 4 games in 2006 for them, so he’s hardly their record appearance holder, is he?

I am no fan of that lot over the river but if we appointed someone as our manager who had played that few games for them it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest.

[Super]

5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

This job feels like it needs to be a successful one, otherwise his stock is going to be pretty low. 

If he does a good job every chance he'll be back in the Championship after.

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, Super said:

If he does a good job every chance he'll be back in the Championship after.

Absolutely. And I wouldn’t mind. So long as it’s not with us. 

[Northern Red]

Hibs fans on social media don't seem to be in favour, but I've barely seen any of them mentioning the Hearts connection as a reason.

[Silvio Dante]

I think the thing with Hibs is that all you need to be is 3rd to be a success. They’re not competing with Rangers or Celtic really - Aberdeen are in a bit of a mess post McInnes and the ask is really to be “best of the rest” outside the Old Firm. If LJ gets 3rd or 4th and cup run(s) then if I were him I’d start looking back south before the stock worsens again, as delivering those finishes on a sustained basis for anyone outside R&C is like trying to string together league titles 

[RUSSEL85]

19 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

This job feels like it needs to be a successful one, otherwise his stock is going to be pretty low. 

Agreed. Although I don’t think he did a bad job at Sunderland, results wise. 

[Charlie BCFC]

Can’t believe I’m seeing Hibs fans turning their nose up at him. Can’t see them getting much better if I’m honest. Anyone else think he could take Moore/Vyner/O’Dowda with him?

[cidercity1987]

He'll be alright for Hibs, probably get them up the table challenging for 3rd or 4th

I don't see it as a positive move for Johnson though, perhaps he is hoping for experience managing in European competitions

[Northern Red]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think the thing with Hibs is that all you need to be is 3rd to be a success. They’re not competing with Rangers or Celtic really - Aberdeen are in a bit of a mess post McInnes and the ask is really to be “best of the rest” outside the Old Firm. If LJ gets 3rd or 4th and cup run(s) then if I were him I’d start looking back south before the stock worsens again, as delivering those finishes on a sustained basis for anyone outside R&C is like trying to string together league titles 

Yep, that's the way he'll be looking at it.

McInnes at Aberdeen won a League Cup and reached 3 other finals, plus 4 consecutive second place finishes (2 when Rangers weren't in the division, 2 when they were but were re-establishing themselves) which was enough to get him linked with various English jobs, and his record in England is nowhere near LJs.

[glynriley]

Europe in 5 years...?

[Davefevs]

18 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Europe in 5 years...?

Scottish Referendum???

[City exile 79]

My mate who is a Hibs season ticket holder rang me on Sunday saying it was a done deal. He said if he doesn’t hit the ground running they will destroy him over his Hearts connection. Fair to say he’s not impressed.

[GlastonburyRed]

Explains why Jamie Mac didn’t get the Yeo gig.

[Malago]

Surprised he hasn’t been linked with the FGR job.  His pyschobabble would go down well with the owner and he knows the division well.  Seems a much better fit for LJ than Hibs

[Taz]

1 hour ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Can’t believe I’m seeing Hibs fans turning their nose up at him. Can’t see them getting much better if I’m honest. Anyone else think he could take Moore/Vyner/O’Dowda with him?

Moore would be a good shout to be fair, not going to get going here now, and currently (or recently at least) has been up in Scotland. LJ was a big fan, although did throw him under the bus at some point (can't remember when).

O'Dowda supposedly has Championship interest, and I imagine would get a better salary at this level. That being said, LJ is great at bigging himself/things up so maybe a greater possibility of getting European football, and if he kicks on, maybe a move back to England on an even better contract, may be enough to entice COD north. For what it's worth, if he were able to stay injury free, he could look very good in Scotland.

Vyner I'm not so sure about. If he was interested in Zac, then I imagine it wouldn't cost them much/if anything.

Also depends on what finances he has available to him. Let's not forget he was given anything/everything he wanted here (so to speak) and Sunderland aren't exactly low payers either. He would know roughly what all three of those players were on though.

[Merrick's Marvels]

8 minutes ago, Taz said:

Moore would be a good shout to be fair, not going to get going here now, and currently (or recently at least) has been up in Scotland. LJ was a big fan, although did throw him under the bus at some point (can't remember when).

As desperate as we are to get rid of our deadwood this summer, I cannot believe Johnson would be daft enough to sign an ex-Hearts player for Hibs, and one who's been average at best for Hearts at that. 

That wouldn't so much be getting off on the wrong foot with Hibs supporters as shooting himself in both feet before he's barely started the job.  

[BLRed]

I’m waiting for the day everyone’s stops talking about LJ unless Bristol City related.

[Sir Leigh of Somerset]

LJ is going to have to learn this song;

 

[Sir Leigh of Somerset]

A better version;

 

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

This job feels like it needs to be a successful one, otherwise his stock is going to be pretty low. 

[Malago]

32 minutes ago, Taz said:

Moore would be a good shout to be fair, not going to get going here now, and currently (or recently at least) has been up in Scotland. LJ was a big fan, although did throw him under the bus at some point (can't remember when).

O'Dowda supposedly has Championship interest, and I imagine would get a better salary at this level. That being said, LJ is great at bigging himself/things up so maybe a greater possibility of getting European football, and if he kicks on, maybe a move back to England on an even better contract, may be enough to entice COD north. For what it's worth, if he were able to stay injury free, he could look very good in Scotland.

Vyner I'm not so sure about. If he was interested in Zac, then I imagine it wouldn't cost them much/if anything.

Also depends on what finances he has available to him. Let's not forget he was given anything/everything he wanted here (so to speak) and Sunderland aren't exactly low payers either. He would know roughly what all three of those players were on though.

Vyner did reasonably well at Aberdeen.  Remember LJ bigging him up and comparing him to Lloyd Kelly.

Also could be an ideal destination for Kasey Palmer on a season long loan.

[Northern Red]

16 minutes ago, BLRed said:

I’m waiting for the day everyone’s stops talking about LJ unless Bristol City related.

Fairly common to talk about our former managers getting or losing different jobs, no?

[alandicks]

He’s at Bristol Airport and there is a flight to Edinburgh at 16.15.

[Redrascal2]

3 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

This job feels like it needs to be a successful one, otherwise his stock is going to be pretty low. 

Lower than it is now.

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

As desperate as we are to get rid of our deadwood this summer, I cannot believe Johnson would be daft enough to sign an ex-Hearts player for Hibs, and one who's been average at best for Hearts at that. 

That wouldn't so much be getting off on the wrong foot with Hibs supporters as shooting himself in both feet before he's barely started the job.  

Spot on, but as someone has subsequently said, Vyner is a possible.

He did well at Aberdeen, is versatile & has a great availability record.

Would think he could be accommodated in their wage structure & although he’s not had the happiest season here, I genuinely think they could do a lot worse.

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Spot on, but as someone has subsequently said, Vyner is a possible.

He did well at Aberdeen, is versatile & has a great availability record.

Would think he could be accommodated in their wage structure & although he’s not had the happiest season here, I genuinely think they could do a lot worse.

You’d think he’d probably go in as one of their highest paid. I would want Vyner anywhere near the top of my wage structure. 

[Northern Red]

21 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Spot on, but as someone has subsequently said, Vyner is a possible.

He did well at Aberdeen, is versatile & has a great availability record.

Would think he could be accommodated in their wage structure & although he’s not had the happiest season here, I genuinely think they could do a lot worse.

Liam Fontaine revitalised his career up there, no reason Zak couldn't do the same.

[ScottishRed]

2 hours ago, Malago said:

Vyner did reasonably well at Aberdeen.  Remember LJ bigging him up and comparing him to Lloyd Kelly.

Also could be an ideal destination for Kasey Palmer on a season long loan.

Hibs would struggle to pay KP anything remotely close to what he is on here.

[The Bard]

5 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Hibs would struggle to pay KP anything remotely close to what he is on here.

1 year loan. Get him out the building.

[Sheltons Army]

Dear Lee 

‘ Due to your City history we are able to offer you a full ‘summer bundle’ at a special price , including  players you signed - We can offer you Kasey Palmer , Taylor Moore and Zak Vyner for a one off , and special price of only £5 million’

[ScottishRed]

12 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Dear Lee 

‘ Due to your City history we are able to offer you a full ‘summer bundle’ at a special price , including  players you signed - We can offer you Kasey Palmer , Taylor Moore and Zak Vyner for a one off , and special price of only £5 million’

Take a zero of the end It it might be a goer!

[ScottishRed]

29 minutes ago, The Bard said:

1 year loan. Get him out the building.

It is not quite as simple as that unless of course we are prepared to pay potentially 90% of his wages for a year our we negotiate a termination agreement.

Aside from the bigot brothers there is very very little money in Scottish football and that includes Hibs. I would imagine, obviously I don’t know, that their highest paid player will be on less than £2k per week.

Go down a division to the Scottish Championship where with the exception of Arbroath, the clubs are full time, you are looking at a weekly wage of £500 / £600.

[ScottishRed]

5 hours ago, KegCity said:

It's obviously not a pub league but the difference in quality is pretty clear. Outside the top 2 it's top end championship standard at best, that's not the case with the Premier League.

No way top end championship, top end Div 1 more like.

[Malago]

48 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Hibs would struggle to pay KP anything remotely close to what he is on here.

Even if they paid a third of his wages it would help.

[ScottishRed]

1 minute ago, Malago said:

Even if they paid a third of his wages it would help.

According to some on here KP is on 25k per week, no way on this planet can Hibs pay 8k of that, the money simply is not there.

[weepywall]

1 minute ago, ScottishRed said:

According to some on here KP is on 25k per week, no way on this planet can Hibs pay 8k of that, the money simply is not there.

Hibs players are on anything between £750 to £3500 a week so no £8k would be impossible.

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Spot on, but as someone has subsequently said, Vyner is a possible.

He did well at Aberdeen, is versatile & has a great availability record.

Would think he could be accommodated in their wage structure & although he’s not had the happiest season here, I genuinely think they could do a lot worse.

Agree with this. I actually think Zak is a genuinely good footballer albeit one who makes too many mistakes at Championship level to avoid being punished for them. I can see him being a quality player at League One or in the SPL. 

[GrahamC]

56 minutes ago, weepywall said:

Hibs players are on anything between £750 to £3500 a week so no £8k would be impossible.

Fantasy land to even mention Palmer, but Hibs players on £750 a week?

No chance, that’s not even L2 wages.

[cidercity1987]

I don't know why Hibs fans are so against Johnson, he would be their best manager in at least 16 years since Mowbray left

[weepywall]

12 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Fantasy land to even mention Palmer, but Hibs players on £750 a week?

No chance, that’s not even L2 wages.

Well obviously I don't know I just searched Hibs players wages and that's what came up, all the squads salaries are there.

[Harry]

6 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Oh really?! 

I did tell you otherwise (after you posted the above, granted) 

Yep, you were right.  Our conversation was after that. 
LJ was talking to a few clubs, my understanding of his situation last week was that FGR and Hibs were unlikely and something like Charlton was more likely. 
Must admit, I’m quite surprised he’s chosen Hibs. I’d guess that the Charlton offer wasn’t something he wanted (maybe there was interference and/or restrictions from their owner?) 

Now he’s there, I’ll certainly be expecting him to have a good look at some of the better youngsters in leagues 1 & 2. I’m sure he’ll also use the prem loan market given his contacts there (particularly with Man C). 

[leader]

No interest in Lee Johnson why keep putting it on here  (he ruined my club)

[And Its Smith]

6 minutes ago, leader said:

No interest in Lee Johnson why keep putting it on here  (he ruined my club)

Don’t click on the thread then!!  Simples 

[leader]

I’m just saying it’s a city forum not Lee duckingJohnson  up the Gers

[And Its Smith]

Just now, leader said:

I’m just saying it’s a city forum not Lee duckingJohnson  up the Gers

It’s a football forum. There are threads on a few things that aren’t city specific. Up the Frankfurt

[View from the Dolman]

Just now, leader said:

I’m just saying it’s a city forum not Lee duckingJohnson  up the Gers

Can we not have mention of "the Gers"? Hate to remind you but "it's a city forum".

[Bristol Oil Services]

5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

It’s a football forum. There are threads on a few things that aren’t city specific. Up the Frankfurt

"Tonight, Matthew, ich bin ein Frank furter? "