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On 25/05/2022 at 11:17, Fordy62 said:

Agreed. I suspect the real answer is that MA and LJ were jointly responsible for dumping the kittens in the canal. 

I think LJ was teaching the kittens to swim because he suspected that at some stage MA would throw them in the canal. 

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9 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Ready to lob out the plane at 3000 feet , the barstard. 

Then he will give a press conference explaining in great detail for about 30 minutes how he planned the whole thing outstandingly, but Macca let him down and the kittens escaped before they could be sent into the skyline. 

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On 31/05/2022 at 05:56, cidercity1987 said:

Thrashed? ?

It was 3-2 on aggregate

Sunderland vs Lincoln ... yep, Sunderland vs Lincoln - given the histories of both clubs and modern expectations and crowd figures, I’m sure you could entertain the fact that LJ overseeing a play off defeat as boss of the mighty Mackems versus the plucky Imps could well be seen as a ‘thrashing’ - a thrashing doesn’t always need to be a 0-5, for example, it could just be a ridiculous and unlikely result against a club you are expected to beat handsomely - hence the Mackems being humbled by the Imps ...

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3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Sunderland vs Lincoln ... yep, Sunderland vs Lincoln - given the histories of both clubs and modern expectations and crowd figures, I’m sure you could entertain the fact that LJ overseeing a play off defeat as boss of the mighty Mackems versus the plucky Imps could well be seen as a ‘thrashing’ - a thrashing doesn’t always need to be a 0-5, for example, it could just be a ridiculous and unlikely result against a club you are expected to beat handsomely - hence the Mackems being humbled by the Imps ...

Nice try a week later. Thrashed doesn't mean any of the above

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1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

Nice try a week later. Thrashed doesn't mean any of the above

‘...a week later’ - is the the time difference relevant?! Perhaps all of those registered on this forum don’t spend every day on this place - many obviously have stuff to do in the real world rather than read and reply to posts on OTIB on a daily basis - from your comment, you obviously aren’t one of them ...

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1 hour ago, Malago said:

Won his 1st game 5-0 , albeit against part time Clyde in the League Cup.

Does that constitute a thrashing ?

All the goals in the first half, obviously let up after the break.

Good start for him and JM.

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On 25/05/2022 at 21:47, Davefevs said:

Don’t mind admitting I’m a bit obsessed with Ashton, but mainly the financial implications his reign left us with.

Some people you don’t take to. I’ve met MA twice. My impression is that he wants to be a footballer.  He wasn’t good enough, became an administrator in football and leached a lot of money out of football in the process of trying to make himself be more important than the footballers themselves.

LJ - I met twice. Personable guy, heart in it, did some good stuff, did some crap stuff.

I don’t think MA and LJ were a good combo for each other.

I look forward to how LJ does at Hibs.

I hope Ashton does terribly at Ipswich and is finally seen through.

Bottom line is:

LJ loved the club

MA loved to milk the club

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1 hour ago, Harry said:

He’s a shit-slinging psycho who drank himself to an early grave 

Clyde I mean. Not LJ. 
Clyde was supposedly a drunken psycho who liked to fling his excrement at his owner! 

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6 hours ago, Malago said:

Won his 1st game 5-0 , albeit against part time Clyde in the League Cup.

No need to say ‘albeit against part time Clyde’ - Roy Keane’s Celtic debut was vs Clyde - and Roy’s ‘super hoops’ heroes got humbled by the Clyde boys as they crashed to a defeat! And, as a Partick Thistle fan, anyone in the know up there would know how hard it is for me to say that ... ??

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2 hours ago, petehinton said:

 In response to LJ saying Hibs was the best pathway to Reuben…shots fired somewhat.  
 

Do remember there being some rumours that Tins and LJ didn’t see eye to eye

 

With Tins at 6 foot + and LJ less than 5 and a half,thats not surprising.

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2 hours ago, petehinton said:

 In response to LJ saying Hibs was the best pathway to Reuben…shots fired somewhat.  
 

Do remember there being some rumours that Tins and LJ didn’t see eye to eye

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Why does he need to even comment?

Fair play to Tins.

Gregor wrote an article on it…was adamant (not Stuart Goddard) there was proper truth behind it.

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9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Think people are reading into the comment a bit too much and finding the meaning they want to find.

He’s specifically talking about McAllister - best pathway ‘for him’ which could well be down to the family links.

That’s exactly how I read LJ’s comment, the best pathway for the lad is to grow up around his family rather than living in digs at the age of 15/16 whichever it is. I don’t think LJ was taking swipe at the club or it’s staff in anyway 

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3 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

That’s exactly how I read LJ’s comment, the best pathway for the lad is to grow up around his family rather than living in digs at the age of 15/16 whichever it is. I don’t think LJ was taking swipe at the club or it’s staff in anyway 

It’s just unfortunate he used the term the club uses ‘pathway’.

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Just been reading through this,,,, if i was a hibs fan i would be getting extremely twitchy…. They dont have a lot of money im sure,,, 130000 for them to spend on an unproven 16 year old is a huge amount,,, the club is basically paying 130000 to enable the mcallister family to relocate. Now the lad might be the second coming of messi, but if hes not, that is probably all their transfer budget spent on a 16 year old youth prospect 

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3 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Just been reading through this,,,, if i was a hibs fan i would be getting extremely twitchy…. They dont have a lot of money im sure,,, 130000 for them to spend on an unproven 16 year old is a huge amount,,, the club is basically paying 130000 to enable the mcallister family to relocate. Now the lad might be the second coming of messi, but if hes not, that is probably all their transfer budget spent on a 16 year old youth prospect 

Good point, Scottish clubs outside of the Old Firm rarely spend a penny on transfer fees these days. For Hibs this is a large outlay. Both Johnson and McAllister must be very confident that he will be knocking on the first team door within 12 months.

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Hibs are about to pull in £3m  for a lad going to Bologna, small change for McAllistair really.

5 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Just been reading through this,,,, if i was a hibs fan i would be getting extremely twitchy…. They dont have a lot of money im sure,,, 130000 for them to spend on an unproven 16 year old is a huge amount,,, the club is basically paying 130000 to enable the mcallister family to relocate. Now the lad might be the second coming of messi, but if hes not, that is probably all their transfer budget spent on a 16 year old youth prospect 

 

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1 hour ago, Simon bristol said:

Just been reading through this,,,, if i was a hibs fan i would be getting extremely twitchy…. They dont have a lot of money im sure,,, 130000 for them to spend on an unproven 16 year old is a huge amount,,, the club is basically paying 130000 to enable the mcallister family to relocate. Now the lad might be the second coming of messi, but if hes not, that is probably all their transfer budget spent on a 16 year old youth prospect 

 

Although I agree that it does smack of nepotism and young McAllister being massively over hyped by his new agency, they are a very well run club in a far better financial position than us and I can't see that 130k is going to hurt them at all, or stop them recruiting.

It will put a lot of pressure on the kid though as he'll have to try to live up to the hype drummed up out of nowhere by his agency.

 

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7 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Just been reading through this,,,, if i was a hibs fan i would be getting extremely twitchy…. They dont have a lot of money im sure,,, 130000 for them to spend on an unproven 16 year old is a huge amount,,, the club is basically paying 130000 to enable the mcallister family to relocate. Now the lad might be the second coming of messi, but if hes not, that is probably all their transfer budget spent on a 16 year old youth prospect 

Having seen some of the signings in the Scottish Premiership this season, I think some people have a very outdated view of what budgets etc are like up there.

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9 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Think people are reading into the comment a bit too much and finding the meaning they want to find.

He’s specifically talking about McAllister - best pathway ‘for him’ which could well be down to the family links.

Well you’d have to include Tinnion in that, because he’s obviously been triggered. 

It’s just nice now that the pathway is actually a thing that works in practice under Nige, rather than something that’s just talked about in an empty fashion under Johnson. 

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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

Well you’d have to include Tinnion in that, because he’s obviously been triggered. 

It’s just nice now that the pathway is actually a thing that works in practice under Nige, rather than something that’s just talked about in an empty fashion under Johnson. 

Yes definitely includes Tinnion, he seems to have misread the comment too. 

It would’ve been interesting to see how Johnson would’ve got on if he was having to use academy products at a young age as Pearson has been. Johnson can clearly spot a good player, so it might’ve suited him.

It wouldn’t surprise me if we’d ended up doing a bit better - Johnson seems to be at his worst when he has millions to throw at problems. 

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8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Yes definitely includes Tinnion, he seems to have misread the comment too. 

It would’ve been interesting to see how Johnson would’ve got on if he was having to use academy products at a young age as Pearson has been. Johnson can clearly spot a good player, so it might’ve suited him.

It wouldn’t surprise me if we’d ended up doing a bit better - Johnson seems to be at his worst when he has millions to throw at problems. 

My view is that LJ had the option to play Academy players, but between him, MA and SL, chose to go and bring players in from outside….Marinovic, Rodri, anyone???

Players like Joe Morrell, stopped from going out on loan in January, having made a few appearances…never then made the 18.  The argument will be “well he’s at Pompei now, he obviously wasn’t good enough”.  The counter is, was Towler, was Bell, was Conway, etc, when they came in.

From memory, the only academy player that really broke through was Lloyd Kelly.

LJ had the opportunity the blood academy players, but imho, he decided to go a different route.

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36 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My view is that LJ had the option to play Academy players, but between him, MA and SL, chose to go and bring players in from outside….Marinovic, Rodri, anyone???

Players like Joe Morrell, stopped from going out on loan in January, having made a few appearances…never then made the 18.  The argument will be “well he’s at Pompei now, he obviously wasn’t good enough”.  The counter is, was Towler, was Bell, was Conway, etc, when they came in.

From memory, the only academy player that really broke through was Lloyd Kelly.

LJ had the opportunity the blood academy players, but imho, he decided to go a different route.

I think if Pearson had the money Johnson had then it’s unlikely the slightly lesser academy products ie the likes of Bell, Cundy etc would be playing.. but probable Alex Scott would be for example.

All conjecture though really - I suspect Pearson might actually be enjoying using the academy players. He’s already proven himself as a manager, so perhaps the opportunity to bring on some young talent and develop them himself appeals to him from a legacy point of view. 

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2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I think if Pearson had the money Johnson had then it’s unlikely the slightly lesser academy products ie the likes of Bell, Cundy etc would be playing.. but probable Alex Scott would be for example.

All conjecture though really - I suspect Pearson might actually be enjoying using the academy players. He’s already proven himself as a manager, so perhaps the opportunity to bring on some young talent and develop them himself appeals to him from a legacy point of view. 

Pedant alert!!!

Cundy is 25 and never came through the academy. Picked him up from Bath I think. 

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12 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

If you check the wage bills, outside of the Glasgow 2 , the wages are L1 at best. 8 clubs under £2m a year . Hibs 5th highest with £3m a year. Rangers was less than ours 2 years ago., and now in low £30 millions. 

They must be pushing the envelope a little more this year then, although I guess the signings are top end L1 rather than Championship.

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30 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

If you check the wage bills, outside of the Glasgow 2 , the wages are L1 at best. 8 clubs under £2m a year . Hibs 5th highest with £3m a year. Rangers was less than ours 2 years ago., and now in low £30 millions. 

Pretty much in agreement.

This is a good guide of how SPL compare on the pitch and finances often reflect this to a degree.

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The big 2 are way out in front of the others.  My gut feel is that Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts are the next tier, but financially they are probably somewhere around the budgets of Lg1.  @BLRedpossibly over-egged them a bit when we were chatting yesterday, they are more Lg1 than the Champ / Lg1 rebounders like a Rotherham or a Wigan.

Their total staff wage bill was:

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So football side around the £4m mark I reckon.

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9 hours ago, Davefevs said:

My view is that LJ had the option to play Academy players, but between him, MA and SL, chose to go and bring players in from outside….Marinovic, Rodri, anyone???

Players like Joe Morrell, stopped from going out on loan in January, having made a few appearances…never then made the 18.  The argument will be “well he’s at Pompei now, he obviously wasn’t good enough”.  The counter is, was Towler, was Bell, was Conway, etc, when they came in.

From memory, the only academy player that really broke through was Lloyd Kelly.

LJ had the opportunity the blood academy players, but imho, he decided to go a different route.

Few factors in that of course, you tell LJ he only has to finish lower mid table rather than top 6 and he probably uses more academy players rather than bringing in the likes of Rodri, Marinovic etc. Blooding them is one thing but when your job depends on you finishing in the play offs you'd be hard pressed to find many coaches who'd take untried academy players over senior players to get a result. Bar Morrell our current crop of academy players are better than those that LJ had available to him, even on Morrell though he wanted to bring him back from Lincoln to be involved Jan 2020 and got told he couldn't.

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24 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Falkirk 1 - 0 Hibernian 

For those who don’t follow Scottish football, Falkirk are in the third tier.

Not a pre-season friendly, proper competitive game.

Yes a very poor result for Hibs. Although a little context, Falkirk might be third tier, but they are arguably one of the biggest clubs outside the top flight. They are full time and capable of 5,000+ attendances even in the third tier. That said, the result puts a bit of pressure on Johnson and he'll need to bounce back with a handsome win in the next group match. Elimination at this stage would be unthinkable for the club.

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13 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

Yes a very poor result for Hibs. Although a little context, Falkirk might be third tier, but they are arguably one of the biggest clubs outside the top flight. They are full time and capable of 5,000+ attendances even in the third tier. That said, the result puts a bit of pressure on Johnson and he'll need to bounce back with a handsome win in the next group match. Elimination at this stage would be unthinkable for the club.

Agreed. My hometown team, Dunfermline Athletic, are one of Falkirks biggest, if not their biggest rivals.

DAFC, were relegated last season and despite that huge disappointment, the fans are looking forward to the ‘derby’ games. I think you will find that 5k attendances are more than a little rare, but possible a few times a year.

Falkirk recently had a meeting with supporters and admitted that they are losing £1m a year, which is unsustainable. 

It puts into context tonight’s result.

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10 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Agreed. My hometown team, Dunfermline Athletic, are one of Falkirks biggest, if not their biggest rivals.

DAFC, were relegated last season and despite that huge disappointment, the fans are looking forward to the ‘derby’ games. I think you will find that 5k attendances are more than a little rare, but possible a few times a year.

Falkirk recently had a meeting with supporters and admitted that they are losing £1m a year, which is unsustainable. 

It puts into context tonight’s result.

I'm sure there will be attendances well in excess of 5,000 at all four fixtures between the two,  if as expected both Falkirk and Dunfermline are challenging for the third tier title this season.

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18 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Agreed. My hometown team, Dunfermline Athletic, are one of Falkirks biggest, if not their biggest rivals...

I thought there was no love lost between the Pars and East Fife? I actually had a couple of nights out with Jim Leishman when he was the Dunfermline gaffer and he waxed lyrical about his club’s hatred for East Fife! 

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1 hour ago, sglosbcfc said:

Yes a very poor result for Hibs. Although a little context, Falkirk might be third tier, but they are arguably one of the biggest clubs outside the top flight. They are full time and capable of 5,000+ attendances even in the third tier. That said, the result puts a bit of pressure on Johnson and he'll need to bounce back with a handsome win in the next group match. Elimination at this stage would be unthinkable for the club.

I have just read the fans report and he apparently played 6 "2nd stringers" in the 1st half and hooked 4 of them at half time. They were much better in the 2nd half but Falkirks goalie had a blinder.

They aren't happy obviously, but consensus seemed to be that he made the mistake of assuming that Falkirk would offer the same as last week's opponents and has learned a lesson.

27 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I thought there was no love lost between the Pars and East Fife? I actually had a couple of nights out with Jim Leishman when he was the Dunfermline gaffer and he waxed lyrical about his club’s hatred for East Fife! 

Kelty Hearts in the mix this season too, only 15 minutes "into town" as my brother used to say about Dunfermline when he lived in Kelty. :)

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12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I thought there was no love lost between the Pars and East Fife? I actually had a couple of nights out with Jim Leishman when he was the Dunfermline gaffer and he waxed lyrical about his club’s hatred for East Fife! 

There was real rivalries between all 4 Fife teams but as the years have passed that has disapated to a certain extent. Mainly due to East Fife’s and Cowdenbeaths demise down the leagues.

Big Jim - what a man! 

Was treated very badly by the club in the early 80’s and left / was fired.

This led to protest marches from the town to the ground on match days, led by the late great Stuart Adamson of Big Country and The Skids.

Stuart was a huge Pars fan but none  of the corporate stuff for him, you would see him on the terraces if he was not away working.

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17 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

There was real rivalries between all 4 Fife teams but as the years have passed that has disapated to a certain extent. Mainly due to East Fife’s and Cowdenbeaths demise down the leagues.

Big Jim - what a man! 

Was treated very badly by the club in the early 80’s and left / was fired.

This led to protest marches from the town to the ground on match days, led by the late great Stuart Adamson of Big Country and The Skids.

Stuart was a huge Pars fan but none  of the corporate stuff for him, you would see him on the terraces if he was not away working.

Stuart Adamson, R.I.P. such a waste to loose him so young. Superb song writer and front man, and as you alluded to a genuine ‘ man of  the people’.

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9 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

There was real rivalries between all 4 Fife teams but as the years have passed that has disapated to a certain extent. Mainly due to East Fife’s and Cowdenbeaths demise down the leagues.

Big Jim - what a man! 

Was treated very badly by the club in the early 80’s and left / was fired.

This led to protest marches from the town to the ground on match days, led by the late great Stuart Adamson of Big Country and The Skids.

Stuart was a huge Pars fan but none  of the corporate stuff for him, you would see him on the terraces if he was not away working.

Yes I heard the traditional rivalry was between Dunfermline, Raith, Cowdenbeath and East Fife, but as East Fife and Cowdenbeath  have struggled to keep pace (similar to Gas ?)then Dunfermline have developed bigger rivalries with Raith and Falkirk who are often in their division. 

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On 12/07/2022 at 22:07, ScottishRed said:

Falkirk 1 - 0 Hibernian 

For those who don’t follow Scottish football, Falkirk are in the third tier.

Not a pre-season friendly, proper competitive game.

His post match interview cropped up on a social media feed (not sure why?)

Don't worry if you didn't catch it, you've seen it dozens of times before:

We deserved to win 

I'm disappointed

We were well prepared, great game-plan, not my fault, players need to look at themselves

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

His post match interview cropped up on a social media feed (not sure why?)

Don't worry if you didn't catch it, you've seen it dozens of times before:

We deserved to win 

I'm disappointed

We were well prepared, great game-plan, not my fault, players need to look at themselves

 

 

 

Didn’t watch the interview on the BBC Football site but the headline was that he was ‘bored’ by their second half performance.

Nothing changes with Lee.

I think he needs to be careful in what he says to the media up there much more so than do here. It truly is a goldfish bowl and Hibs owner is not known for his patience. The much lauded Shaun Maloney, who remember, was assistant manager of Belgium before he joined Hibs, lasted 4 months!

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Hibs will be definitely knocked out (it was likely they wouldn't have qualified anyway) from one of the two competitions they could realistically win this season. He better start the league season well and get them safely in the top six or the pressure will build straight away. The squad is decent so they should have got out of that cup group.

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So at the end of their last match they were booed off and Macca put his finger to his lips to silence the fans ?

According to their fans the recruitment has been very poor and LJ has told then it will take a few transfer windows to be able to challenge the top 2.

I get the feeling if he makes a mess of it here he is finished in management.

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1 hour ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

So at the end of their last match they were booed off and Macca put his finger to his lips to silence the fans ?

According to their fans the recruitment has been very poor and LJ has told then it will take a few transfer windows to be able to challenge the top 2.

I get the feeling if he makes a mess of it here he is finished in management.

So he should be, never should have been given a chance as a player at our level or manager at any level, zero man management skills, but talks great bullshit and so mamy idiots fooled by the patter.

Will get another job somewhere, always another idiot blinded by the CV.

 

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Now it seems to have been a mixed start up there for the Tombola king, but I thought it would be a good chance for him to get them going.

Then there's this

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But I was still surprised to see this.

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