The Semenyo Thread - Now a Bournemouth Player. Deal Confirmed

[Henry]

I see Bristol Live and ripped the story and claim they have sources.

Out of all the prem teams, Palace seems the best fit. I don’t think 12m is a terrible starting bid. Forest have signed Watfords striker for 20m and he scored on the prem last year

[Matty C]

Bournemouth Echo reporting that they are interested in Antoine.....He could move in with Lloyd Kelly down there https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/20656890.afc-bournemouth-reportedly-keen-bristol-city-forward-antoine-semenyo/

[sh1t_ref_again]

Also being reported Everton now interested, but can just be lazy journalism

[bpexile]

2 hours ago, OliOTIB said:

Im s**tting it not going to lie. 

If we get 15, how much becomes available? 

Need at least 5 of that to buy a decent striker, i fear that lansdown will just put that in his back pocket.

He's taken a lot more than that out of his back pocket on many occasions. I think he would come to the party to boost the squad if AS was to be sold this window, but that's only my opinion .

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, Matty C said:

Bournemouth Echo reporting that they are interested in Antoine.....He could move in with Lloyd Kelly down there https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/20656890.afc-bournemouth-reportedly-keen-bristol-city-forward-antoine-semenyo/

Shame that Bournemouth won't offer him a wage that will allow him to have his own place  

[And Its Smith]

Semenyo is probably our 2nd most important player. So vital with how we play and I think if he’d been fit this season we would have at least 3 more points than we do now.  Massive loss if we goes 

[LondonBristolian]

12 minutes ago, Matty C said:

Bournemouth Echo reporting that they are interested in Antoine.....He could move in with Lloyd Kelly down there https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/20656890.afc-bournemouth-reportedly-keen-bristol-city-forward-antoine-semenyo/

Not meaning to take the piss out of Bournemouth but I'd be disappointed if he moved to a club where he was likely to end up playing Championship football again in a year's time. 

[JoeAman08]

3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Not meaning to take the piss out of Bournemouth but I'd be disappointed if he moved to a club where he was likely to end up playing Championship football again in a year's time. 

Idk get a year of experience in the prem. Then get a confidence season in championship and most likely go back up and be ready for a big season in the premier league. Has to stay fit for all of that to be a positive but looks like it has done a world of good for Solanke and even Mitrovic if only the second time around

[firstdivision]

1 hour ago, Super said:

We really haven't. Conway is decent but he is nowhere near the level of Semenyo. If he goes we certainly need to bring somebody in even if it's on loan.

I agree. Antoine well ahead in his development.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

I want to keep him and we have a one year option so there's no rush. However, if he is going to go I hope the links with the three clubs are genuine and we can generate a bidding war. 

[Major Isewater]

I was/ am hoping to get at least another season watching the lad. Whilst I could understand him taking a Prem offer I believe he would be better served ripping up the the Championship for 22/23 then getting either promotion with us or a better level of club in the top leagues. 
 

[Jerseybean]

Whatever happens next it does seem like this might have legs…..https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/crystal-palace-bristol-city-bid-7463508

 

[sh1t_ref_again]

16 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Whatever happens next it does seem like this might have legs…..https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/crystal-palace-bristol-city-bid-7463508

 

just looks like re-hash of what has been printed else where and nothing new

[miketh2nd]

 I was really looking forward to him push on with us once he was back from injury after such a great season last season but seeing as teams like Watford can't hold Onto Dennis , we chance do we have when we haven't even been the top 12 of recent seasons.

 Then  we also have the problem of only being  a few injuries away from being to put a bench with quality depth on it.We need some more quality players ideally a experienced CM and RCB and of course another striker. We can't afford to turn down 12-15 million especially if you compare him to Dennis going to Forest for apparently around 20 million with a proven record who can score goals in the prem. 

I would be gutted to lose him but as Pearson has said we wont'stand in the way of players going to the premier league. Hopefully its just paper talk and just bored news reporters jumping on any rumor.

[GrahamC]

52 minutes ago, Matty C said:

Bournemouth Echo reporting that they are interested in Antoine.....He could move in with Lloyd Kelly down there https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/20656890.afc-bournemouth-reportedly-keen-bristol-city-forward-antoine-semenyo/

Lloyd Kelly told someone who posts on here that Bournemouth were interested in Antoine back in the summer.

Obviously with him being out of action there was little point in anyone signing him much before the window closes.

If so let’s hope it drives the price up, Palace would seem a far better move for his career to me, but the more Prem sides interested, the higher the end fee will be.

[And Its Smith]

Hang on…Semenyo is a league two players isnt he?! This must be BS! 

[DaveF]

1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

Hang on…Semenyo is a league two players isnt he?! This must be BS! 

He isn't a striker, they score goals!

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 hours ago, OliOTIB said:

If we get 15, how much becomes available? 

Need at least 5 of that to buy a decent striker, i fear that lansdown will just put that in his back pocket.

 

3 hours ago, OliOTIB said:

Due to the current financial situation I was just questioning how much of the money would be spent on improving the squad and what percentage Lansdown would take out of it.

Not a daft post at all, just raising an opinion.

As several have already tried to explain, Steve Lansdown (Bless him) doesn't need nor want any of the AS fee should he go; not £5M, not £10M nor even, should we be so fortunate, £15M.

Every year, for the past few years, SL has pumped in a sum considerably in excess of any potential transfer fee the sale of AS might generate.

In addition, just in case you have forgotten, SL also financed the regeneration of Ashton Gate. 

Take a step back and reconsider the logic, or lack thereof, of your posts.

[MartockRed]

1 hour ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Also being reported Everton now interested, but can just be lazy journalism

Would make sense in that they’re struggling for forward options, but no sense when they think Ellis Simms isn’t good enough/ready  yet either. 

[SuperDziek]

It's inevitable that we aren't going to hold on to Semenyo and he's destined for the PL, we just need to ensure we get top dollar for him.  Real shame because he's a player who gets you out of your seat and brings a dynamic to the team that other players in the squad simply can't......but that is of course the reason he's destined for greater things!

Hopefully he'll then thrive at that higher level and we'll get extra money through a decent sell on clause.  I think the last player we sold to Palace was Bolasie (?) so a good precedent if he ends up there.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Just now, MartockRed said:

Would make sense in that they’re struggling for forward options, but no sense when they think Ellis Simms isn’t good enough/ready  yet either. 

Wonder what sort of recall they have on Simms

[MartockRed]

1 minute ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Wonder what sort of recall they have on Simms

Can’t find anything other than it’s a season long loan. You’d think they’d have some sort of recall. 

[old_eastender]

We have to get at least £15m for Semenyo, with a good sell-on clause, anything less would be poor. First big test for Richard Gould... 

[sh1t_ref_again]

3 minutes ago, MartockRed said:

Can’t find anything other than it’s a season long loan. You’d think they’d have some sort of recall. 

Perhaps we can agree to sell AS for 15mil as long as they cancel Simms loan to Sunderland and send him here instead

[Curr Avon]

34 minutes ago, DaveF said:

He isn't a striker, they score goals!

Every time I pass the mirror, I see the idiot who said that live on the radio. How wrong I was. (Yes, and about numerous other things too)

Then those 2 goals at Fulham. Wow!

The strength, speed, poise, and brilliant finishes. That lad is a star.

We desperately need him right now.

Anyone's for £50 million. Or you can Daniel Farke off.

 

[downendcity]

3 hours ago, Monkeh said:

If we got 12 million nige would get 2 mil max, as we have ffp to contend with,

And it looks like we may have a ready made replacement in Conway 

Tommy doesn't have Semenyo's power ( although that might yet come and if he bulks up a bit) but he certainly looks quick enough and has an eye for a goal.

I also think that at 20 Tommy is possibly a better player than was Semenyo at the same age, i.e. 2 years ago. At the same age Semenyo was very direct but often seemed to run into blind alleys and didn't seem so aware of teammates. E.g would a 20 year old Semennyo have played the ball that Tommy played on Saturday for Andi's goal? 

It could be that if Semnyo goes  that a run in the first team could be the making of Conway - as it was with Semenyo.

[Davefevs]

If Antoine does go…the biggest problem for me is that the finances are such a mess, that we haven’t been able to succession plan for this scenario properly (at all?).

That’s where other clubs get it right, Brentford for example.

It’s all well and good having targets lined up, but getting them over the line inside 2 weeks (less if this drags on) is not easy either.

But as big a miss as Antoine will be it’s not disastrous with options of Martin, Weimann, Wells and Conway.  I would rather we recruit a CB and a CM first.  Could get Michael Hector on a free…he’s probably as good as anyone who might come here for a fee.  I’m sure others will have other names too.

 

[westonred]

Whilst i dont want to see Semenyo go if Everton are interested and have offer the reported £15 i would let him go if we could get Ellis Simms on loan for the season (currently at Sunderland) he is just what we need pace power but not sure if he can be called back from blunderland 

 

[Northern Red]

Just now, westonred said:

Whilst i dont want to see Semenyo go if Everton are interested and have offer the reported £15 i would let him go if we could get Ellis Simms on loan for the season (currently at Sunderland) he is just what we need pace power but not sure if he can be called back from blunderland 

 

Even if he could be recalled, why do you think Everton would do it?

[westonred]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

Even if he could be recalled, why do you think Everton would do it?

If they want Semenyo that much and a lot of others seem to be interested it could make the difference

[bcfc01]

16 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Tommy doesn't have Semenyo's power ( although that might yet come and if he bulks up a bit) but he certainly looks quick enough and has an eye for a goal.

I also think that at 20 Tommy is possibly a better player than was Semenyo at the same age, i.e. 2 years ago. At the same age Semenyo was very direct but often seemed to run into blind alleys and didn't seem so aware of teammates. E.g would a 20 year old Semennyo have played the ball that Tommy played on Saturday for Andi's goal? 

It could be that if Semnyo goes  that a run in the first team could be the making of Conway - as it was with Semenyo.

Semenyo never had the academy background that TC has had from a really early age and it showed. The club persevered with him and its now paying dividends for him and the club.

As for TC, I've said from a couple of seasons ago that he will come good and this season may just be the season whereby other clubs may be interested in him. I hope he gets an extended run in the team, he will score and assist goals at this level no problem.

[deadredfred]

5 minutes ago, westonred said:

blunderland 

 

Mods - please move to correct thread: 'annoying things people say in football chat on OTIB'

[Davefevs]

16 minutes ago, westonred said:

Whilst i dont want to see Semenyo go if Everton are interested and have offer the reported £15 i would let him go if we could get Ellis Simms on loan for the season (currently at Sunderland) he is just what we need pace power but not sure if he can be called back from blunderland 

 

He can’t be recalled before January…and only if there is a recall clause inserted in the loan agreement.

[Curr Avon]

There's no one at the club like Semenyo, that can hold the ball up with his back to goal (anywhere on the pitch) and turn players, with great upper body strength and quick feet. For a great example, watch his assist for Dasilva against Stoke.

[DaveF]

3 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

There's no one at the club like Semenyo, that can hold the ball up with his back to goal (anywhere on the pitch) and turn players, with great upper body strength and quick feet. For a great example, watch his assist for Dasilva against Stoke.

Not that many players in general who can do that!

[Curr Avon]

23 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Not that many players in general who can do that!

Very true, that's why I think he's invaluable without a similar replacement.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Curr Avon

[Sniper]

Two things here to take into consideration.

One, with regards to the fee, it's not just what you get with Semenyo now, it also what you get down the line, so you're also paying for the potential.

Two, if this does happen, let's ensure it's not at the last minute giving us no time to bring in any new players.

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

As several have already tried to explain, Steve Lansdown (Bless him) doesn't need nor want any of the AS fee should he go; not £5M, not £10M nor even, should we be so fortunate, £15M.

Every year, for the past few years, SL has pumped in a sum considerably in excess of any potential transfer fee the sale of AS might generate.

In addition, just in case you have forgotten, SL also financed the regeneration of Ashton Gate. 

Take a step back and reconsider the logic, or lack thereof, of your posts.

Why do you bother answering posts like that. Bloody nonsense about trousering money makes my blood boil. The guy has so much he can’t spend it. 
 

The only issue is how he’s spent the football sides money. The bloke once said my money my choice, fair enough, but the responsibility sits squarely with him for where we are as a side. 

[Davefevs]

16 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Very true, that's why I think he's invaluable without a similar replacement.

You just have to play differently if so. 

[ExiledAjax]

Everyone is replaceable. We will sell. Any sale of Semenyo is as close to being pure profit as you can get. Brought on board for a song, on low wages, sold for £££. It'll be a huge success for the accounts.

We scored goals without him last season, and we're doing the same again this season. Yes he gives us a great attacking threat, yes he's different to our other squad members, but in my opinion he's not going to be the difference between relegation and survival.

I don't enjoy it when we sell our young exciting talent, but it's something we have to do.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Everyone is replaceable. We will sell. Any sale of Semenyo is as close to being pure profit as you can get. Brought on board for a song, on low wages, sold for £££. It'll be a huge success for the accounts.

We scored goals without him last season, and we're doing the same again this season. Yes he gives us a great attacking threat, yes he's different to our other squad members, but in my opinion he's not going to be the difference between relegation and survival.

I don't enjoy it when we sell our young exciting talent, but it's something we have to do.

Yep, different, and bloody good too…but if there was ever a need to improve other positions it’s now, improve the balance.

[GrahamC]

Guardian (Ben Fisher, City fan) reporting initial asking price is £15m, plus up to £5m in add ons & we turned down a £10m bid from Bournemouth earlier in the month..

Edited August 15, 2022 by GrahamC

[Curr Avon]

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Guardian (Ben Fisher, City fan) reporting initial asking price is £15m, plus up to £5m in add ons & we turned down a £10m bid from Bournemouth earlier in the month..

Thanks Graham. Sadly (very, sniff) its just a question of when, not if Antoine leaves, and probably before September 1st. Hopefully, we've already identified possible replacements and will have the time to act.

[And Its Smith]

1 hour ago, westonred said:

Whilst i dont want to see Semenyo go if Everton are interested and have offer the reported £15 i would let him go if we could get Ellis Simms on loan for the season (currently at Sunderland) he is just what we need pace power but not sure if he can be called back from blunderland 

 

That’s not allowed unfortunately. Earliest we could get him is January 

[Kid in the Riot]

13 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Guardian (Ben Fisher, City fan) reporting initial asking price is £15m, plus up to £5m in add ons & we turned down a £10m bid from Bournemouth earlier in the month..

Palace target Bristol City’s Antoine Semenyo to boost striking options | Transfer window | The Guardian 

[mozo]

If we had to lose Semenyo or Scott I'd love to see them at Dortmund

[Mr Popodopolous]

I think our asking price is a fair one, though gutted if he goes of course...all the same Blackburn sold Armstrong and did okay. I was like we all were, forgetting finances- seeing Semenyo after a year in which he got 8 goals and 12 assists in just checked- 24 starts and 7 sub appearances, linking up once more with Weimann and after that season of experience would have been an exciting prospect. His breakthrough season.

For context, while a year younger Keane Lewis-Potter...46 starts, £16m, plus up to £4m in potential add-ons. 12 goals, 3 assists...but Hull's financial position was certainly better than ours coming into 2022/23.

Edited August 15, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[GrahamC]

26 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You just have to play differently if so. 

100%.

At present we have Weimann, Conway & Wells who can all play parts of his role & it is also worth pointing out we’ve scored in all 4 of our games without him, largely thanks to Andi.

There is an argument therefore & I think it’s yours (?) that if we were stronger defensively and/or in midfield that would be more beneficial & is where to prioritise any funds.

Just to make it clear I’m not saying that Conway or Wells are as good as Antoine, because if they were someone would be offering us £10m+ for them instead, but they could do a better job replacing him than our current options at the back or in midfield.

Final point, if we did look at a striker I’d want someone who could lighten the load on Martin myself, not replace Antoine, at 34 in October we are ready asking a lot of him at present.
 

[JoeAman08]

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

100%.

At present we have Weimann, Conway & Wells who can all play parts of his role & it is also worth pointing out we’ve scored in all 4 of our games without him, largely thanks to Andi.

There is an argument therefore & I think it’s yours (?) that if we were stronger defensively and/or in midfield that would be more beneficial & is where to prioritise any funds.

Just to make it clear I’m not saying that Conway or Wells are as good as Antoine, because if they were someone would be offering us £10m+ for them instead, but they could do a better job replacing him than our current options at the back or in midfield.

Final point, if we did look at a striker I’d want someone who could lighten the load on Martin myself, not replace Antoine, at 34 in October we are ready asking a lot of him at present.
 

Martin should already have a light load. Should be Conway Wells with Weimann behind at the minute. Wells did plenty of holding the ball up at Wigan and Conway a different release of pressure by running channels. Martin should be getting 20-30 minutes at the end of games to change the look imo. 
 

All that said, I agree though. A big body is a nice option and often brings more out of others. We saw it with Wilbraham. I’d want a much more energetic player and obvious much more athletic. Someone mentioned Simms and that is exactly the type. Even Magennis at Wigan who is pretty bad at the football bits think caused more problems for us than Martin did for them. Just on pure strength, pace and energy. 

[Finley_Smith10]

Sell for 15 mill plus add ons and focus on a Centre Half, Holding mid and striker. Seems a no brainer to me. Palace would be a great move for him. 

[Hazelboy]

2 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

Sell for 15 mill plus add ons and focus on a Centre Half, Holding mid and striker. Seems a no brainer to me. Palace would be a great move for him. 

Yep, it’s that easy! 

[Finley_Smith10]

1 minute ago, super slick said:

Yep, it’s that easy! 

In an ideal world... It’s just how late in the window and if we have targets lined up 

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

Sell for 15 mill plus add ons and focus on a Centre Half, Holding mid and striker. Seems a no brainer to me. Palace would be a great move for him. 

It probably seems like a no brainer because you haven’t thought about the wage implications of what you suggest.

Semenyo will be one of our lowest earners, his last contact was signed when he was a fringe player.

If he’s on say £4k a week, bringing in 3 players on a minimum of £6k a week (possibly more) meaning that we increase our wage bill by £700k a year is a pretty decent illustration of how we got into this mess.

[LondonBristolian]

1 hour ago, Curr Avon said:

There's no one at the club like Semenyo, that can hold the ball up with his back to goal (anywhere on the pitch) and turn players, with great upper body strength and quick feet. For a great example, watch his assist for Dasilva against Stoke.

Indeed. At times he plays like a older kid at school playing against the Year 7s for a bit of a laugh. 

[And Its Smith]

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

It probably seems like a no brainer because you haven’t thought about the wage implications of what you suggest.

Semenyo will be one of our lowest earners, his last contact was signed when he was a fringe player.

If he’s on say £4k a week, bringing in 3 players on a minimum of £6k a week (possibly more) meaning that we increase our wage bill by £700k a year is a pretty decent illustration of how we got into this mess.

Indeed. We sell for £15m and then invest £2-3m in transfer fees and people kick off…can see it now 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Some good loans perhaps- given how many we have out of contract in the summer...what should be the split between FFP offsetting and giving some cash to NP to steady the ship.

[Port Said Red]

I have seen a few clips of Devante Rodney at Rochdale? A bit of late developer physical means they have moved him from the wing to central striker, he has a huge amount pace but obviously needs to work on stuff like finishing. I'd like to see us take a punt on someone like that.

 

[Curr Avon]

23 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Indeed. At times he plays like a older kid at school playing against the Year 7s for a bit of a laugh. 

Exciting to watch. only a handful of City players who have done that over the years. Alan Walsh, the Rougier brothers (in joke), JET. Any more?

Edited August 15, 2022 by Curr Avon

[Super]

11 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I have seen a few clips of Devante Rodney at Rochdale? A bit of late developer physical means they have moved him from the wing to central striker, he has a huge amount pace but obviously needs to work on stuff like finishing. I'd like to see us take a punt on someone like that.

 

Don't be a plonker.

[CyderHead92]

4 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Exciting to watch. only a handful of City players who have done that over the years. Alan Walsh, the Rougier brothers (in joke), JET. Any more?

Scott Murray was very exciting to watch if my memory serves me right.

[Curr Avon]

1 minute ago, CyderHead92 said:

Scott Murray was very exciting to watch if my memory serves me right.

It does and he was. 

[mozo]

6 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Exciting to watch. only a handful of City players who have done that over the years. Alan Walsh, the Rougier brothers (in joke), JET. Any more?

Albert - high up that list

[Curr Avon]

13 minutes ago, mozo said:

Albert - high up that list

With the Heartbeat theme tune.

[downendcity]

3 minutes ago, Logical-City said:

Just sign a replacement easy as that

I'd like to think/hope that they would have realised that Semenyo could attract interest this summer and will have identified possible replacements just in case.

Having said that, identifying a replacement is one thing, getting them to sign is another!

 

[And Its Smith]

38 minutes ago, Curr Avon said:

Exciting to watch. only a handful of City players who have done that over the years. Alan Walsh, the Rougier brothers (in joke), JET. Any more?

Jacki, Goodridge, Dave Smith spring to my mind 

[Monkeh]

4 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Semenyo is probably our 2nd most important player. So vital with how we play and I think if he’d been fit this season we would have at least 3 more points than we do now.  Massive loss if we goes 

He offers little defensively and that's where the problem lies that and centre of midfield,

[And Its Smith]

8 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

He offers little defensively and that's where the problem lies that and centre of midfield,

I think that’s the wrong way to think of it. If you have someone like Semenyo in your team then it forces other teams to play differently. They will be wary of pushing too many forward and also you have his pressing from the front.  Defend as a team and he gives opponents so much more to think about.  With Semenyo playing this season no way do we only have 1 point from 3 games 

[Kodjias Wrist]

47 minutes ago, CyderHead92 said:

Scott Murray was very exciting to watch if my memory serves me right.

My favourite player growing up. Was brilliamt watching him down the flanks.

[sh1t_ref_again]

I would rather sell Scott at the moment, maybe Scott has greater potential as he is so good at his age, but AS offers us so much more now, so if we need to cash in on one I would rather sell Scott particularly if we could entice AS with a new longer contract

[Fuber]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

100%.

At present we have Weimann, Conway & Wells who can all play parts of his role & it is also worth pointing out we’ve scored in all 4 of our games without him, largely thanks to Andi.

There is an argument therefore & I think it’s yours (?) that if we were stronger defensively and/or in midfield that would be more beneficial & is where to prioritise any funds.

Just to make it clear I’m not saying that Conway or Wells are as good as Antoine, because if they were someone would be offering us £10m+ for them instead, but they could do a better job replacing him than our current options at the back or in midfield.

Final point, if we did look at a striker I’d want someone who could lighten the load on Martin myself, not replace Antoine, at 34 in October we are ready asking a lot of him at present.
 

Also worth pointing out signing Sykes and Wilson for the right and side has given us muckers more pace as a team, add in Pring over JD and it's even more so.

If we can add a mobile right sided central defender and a central defensive midfielder, and loan a CAM/ST to replace Semenyo for the season and I think that will have been a solid window.