The Semenyo Thread - Now a Bournemouth Player. Deal Confirmed

[Davefevs]

Re Scott and Semenyo from a purely financial point of view, one sale in this years accounts and one in next years (from 1st June onwards) is gonna help us…even in the new FFP rules.

[IAmNick]

If you sell a player with an add-on (say, you get money if they get X caps, or after Y appearances) and they get sold, what happens to your addon? Is it just null and void, do they get carried along, or what?

Could two clubs just swap a player back and forth to cancel add-ons from the original transfers? It's obviously unlikely to happen, but I'm just curious.

 

As an example, let's say we get £1m if Semenyo makes 10 more international appearances. He makes 9, gets sold, then makes the 10th. Are we out of luck? I'm guessing so - although the sell ons can transfer with them I think in some cases?

[Mendip City]

6 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

That's all well and good, but at the same time, you're basically saying "Antoine, look the clubs you should want to sign you, aren't willing to pay what Bristol City will accept for you, so here's what to do, turn down Bournemouth, see out the season at Bristol City and lets see who wants you in the summer. But also bare in mind, that if you get an injury or don't keep firing in goals, the clubs you want to play for may not want to pay much for you in the summer as you only have a year left, and also Antoine, you could do well in France, Holland or perhaps Germany, so maybe we wait 12 months and sign a pre contract abroad".

The fact is, there was money on the table now, most agents get 5% from the selling team, 5% from the buying team. They get 10% off their player of a signing on fee, and get paid 10-20% of a players wages to manage and protect their finances for them. If you think his agent is going to tell him to wait and hold out, in a risky environment, when there is the best part of a £1m coming his way, and 5-10K a week, you are sadly mistaken. 

Agree. Also he’ll back his own ability (rightly so)… if he makes a bit of an impact, scores a couple of goals but B’mouth get relegated he’ll be straight back in the Prem with someone else… likely on even more money with a sell-on to us. His worse case scenario is ending up at the top end of the Champ with B’mouth… so still a step up from where he is now. 
Wish we could keep him but good luck to him. We need to get out of this division and turn the cycle of little Bournemouth poaching our best young players! 

[mozo]

32 minutes ago, tin said:

I don’t think he’s smart, but agree he’s humble and likeable.

If I was advising him, I’d be telling him to aim higher than Bournemouth as it’s clear they’ll go down. They can’t score goals and I’ll be surprised if he scores enough goals to keep them up. 

That's understandable. I don't think there's a clear right or wrong as there's an element of a gamble both ways.

Personally I think he has taken an option that is both lucrative and gives him a good chance of first team football. 

I expect Bournemouth to go down, then to go straight back up. They'll have a huge advantage, one being Antoine!

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Re Scott and Semenyo from a purely financial point of view, one sale in this years accounts and one in next years (from 1st June onwards) is gonna help us…even in the new FFP rules.

As much as it would pain me to stop watching Scott play for us, I think selling in the summer might be prudent. Get a big fee and use it to add depth to the squad (with low fee, low wage players, naturally). It would take take pressure off FFP and also help balance the books somewhat for that financial year (ie reduce the annual losses).

In theory we could then have a balanced squad with all the high earners gone and still plenty of players with their best years ahead of them. 

[cider-manc]

27 minutes ago, sunningdalered said:

 An 8-figure fee for a player who has delivered what Antoine has in his career to date is mind-boggling.

I keep seeing this kind of thing. But a 8 figure fee for a player who has delivered like AS has since that game at fulham is not so unbelievable. 

For this season and last he has a goal contribution of about 1 in 2 games. He tends to blow hot or cold, but he's getting better and better, is still relatively young, and is now a full international with world cup appearances to his name.

[Davefevs]

44 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

If you sell a player with an add-on (say, you get money if they get X caps, or after Y appearances) and they get sold, what happens to your addon? Is it just null and void, do they get carried along, or what?

Could two clubs just swap a player back and forth to cancel add-ons from the original transfers? It's obviously unlikely to happen, but I'm just curious.

 

As an example, let's say we get £1m if Semenyo makes 10 more international appearances. He makes 9, gets sold, then makes the 10th. Are we out of luck? I'm guessing so - although the sell ons can transfer with them I think in some cases?

The simple answer is - it depends.  You can right whatever you want in a transfer contract.

Things like sell-on percentage usually persist through multiple transfers (as long as they keep increasing in value), but I’ve heard on examples where they are constrained by the contract term.  For example, player x signs for team a on a 4 year deal with a 20% sell on, but that sell-on is only paid if a sale is completed within that 4 years.  The same can happen for other add-ons too.

11 minutes ago, cider-manc said:

I keep seeing this kind of thing. But a 8 figure fee for a player who has delivered like AS has since that game at fulham is not so unbelievable. 

For this season and last he has a goal contribution of about 1 in 2 games. He tends to blow hot or cold, but he's getting better and better, is still relatively young, and is now a full international with world cup appearances to his name.

Agree, they are preparing to pay £20m for Jackson, circa £10m for Semenyo is not unbelievable at all, imho.

[Spike]

I don't understand our fan base at all, like we have fans saying the board are shit for selling Semenyo for so low but then we also have the same fans bitching that Massengo is going to leave for free and we don't even use him. 

Semenyo would have ended up being the same situation had we not sold him because Pearson wants players in his team that will help get us some consistency. It's unfortunate that Semenyo has had to go when we've just found it but it's obvious that the board and Pearson know the finances and this was not really an option, it was something that was always going to happen, if it wasnt Semenyo it would have been Scott. 

I remember a few years back reading "Semenyo will never get into the team, he's crap" and comments about how he wasn't good enough, he never scored enough etc Now those same fans are kicking off that we've sold him for £10m with possibility to get more. 

Bell is exactly where Semenyo was not so long ago, only Semenyo needed to fight his way into the team, Bell will see this as an opportunity to prove he can make that step up and in top of that a new face will help keep our strikers on their toes so that they do not lose their place in the team. Weimann may actually get to play Striker when he's fit, Conway will certainly be itching not to fall out of the pecking order but our fans are acting like the world has come to an end because we've sold a striker. 

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

I think it is probably 10-20% less up front than I expected but probably a necessity considering everything. 
 

We needed a sale. So this sorts ffp to an extent. Don’t have to worry about it as much. 
 

There is a week left in the window. Selling now instead of holding out for an extra 1-2m up front means we have some time to shop. 
 

Now, our valuation on Scott is even more protected. There is not as big a need to sell him. It’ll help a rebuild massively but we have a bit more power in negotiations imo. This goes for any saleable assets really. 
 

Semenyo has been around the first team here for 3-4 years now. He has been linked with bigger clubs constantly. He has been pretty patient to be fair and kept his head down and gotten better. This has come up and we’d be crazy to prevent him from moving now imo. 
 

So all in all decent business. Not perfect like has been in past but we have to build back up to that. It will take more years and more sales to get there but we are on track again. 

It not been stated how much up front has it ? The £9m would usually be paid in instalments . I hope the £9m is upfront but I doubt it. Would the club prefer staged payments to offset deficits further down the line ?  

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

It not been stated how much up front has it ? The £9m would usually be paid in instalments . I hope the £9m is upfront but I doubt it. Would the club prefer staged payments to offset deficits further down the line ?  

I've always assumed - perhaps wrongly - that it doesn't matter too much from an accounting perspective whether the money is all in one go or installments - as long as it is an agreed amount we know we will receive. From an accounting perspective, its income we know we have and whatever installments are due to us can be recorded as known income and money owed to us.

It obviously makes a difference from a cashflow perspective - and that might matter in terms of who we buy and how we pay for them -  but I'm not sure how important it is in terms of accounting. 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I've always assumed - perhaps wrongly - that it doesn't matter too much from an accounting perspective whether the money is all in one go or installments - as long as it is an agreed amount we know we will receive. From an accounting perspective, its income we know we have and whatever installments are due to us can be recorded as known income and money owed to us.

It obviously makes a difference from a cashflow perspective - and that might matter in terms of who we buy and how we pay for them -  but I'm not sure how important it is in terms of accounting. 

 

[Curr Avon]

If the deal hasn't been completed, can Antoine play for us tomorrow.

 

[steviestevieneville]

8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I've always assumed - perhaps wrongly - that it doesn't matter too much from an accounting perspective whether the money is all in one go or installments - as long as it is an agreed amount we know we will receive. From an accounting perspective, its income we know we have and whatever installments are due to us can be recorded as known income and money owed to us.

It obviously makes a difference from a cashflow perspective - and that might matter in terms of who we buy and how we pay for them -  but I'm not sure how important it is in terms of accounting. 

Interesting. I didn’t realise that , I’m not financially minded at all. Which reminds me I got three days to do my tax return I thought possibly a larger up front payment would be more beneficial . 

[REDOXO]

Ok. I’ve just woken up and I’m a bit confused. Has Semenyo signed for Bournemouth? The fact this thread is still in the transfer forum suggests not? If he hasn’t do we know why and is there another club?

The bloke from Luton, is he coming to us and are Martin/Klose/Massengo etc attracting any interest?

Thanks for any help!

[robin_unreliant]

2 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Ok. I’ve just woken up and I’m a bit confused. Has Semenyo signed for Bournemouth? The fact this thread is still in the transfer forum suggests not? If he hasn’t do we know why and is there another club?

I hear it takes two days for Bournemouth to do a medical so maybe that's the delay . At least that was the story with the french player they were looking to sign.

[JoeAman08]

2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

It not been stated how much up front has it ? The £9m would usually be paid in instalments . I hope the £9m is upfront but I doubt it. Would the club prefer staged payments to offset deficits further down the line ?  

Think for ffp purposes it is 9m straight onto our accounts for this year but not 100%

[Clevedon Red]

23 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Ok. I’ve just woken up and I’m a bit confused. Has Semenyo signed for Bournemouth? The fact this thread is still in the transfer forum suggests not? If he hasn’t do we know why and is there another club?

The bloke from Luton, is he coming to us and are Martin/Klose/Massengo etc attracting any interest?

Thanks for any help!

No, no and no. 

[MATT BCFC]

He does seem to be a confidence player  and I would worry if he doesn't start well could be a bad signing for Bournemouth. 

Wish him there though seems like a decent lad and fee seems a decent amount provided we have a sell on.  

[Davefevs]

22 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said:

No, no and no. 

Are you Aden Flint?

(just loaned to Sheff Wed)

[BigTone]

48 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Ok. I’ve just woken up and I’m a bit confused. Has Semenyo signed for Bournemouth? The fact this thread is still in the transfer forum suggests not? If he hasn’t do we know why and is there another club?

The bloke from Luton, is he coming to us and are Martin/Klose/Massengo etc attracting any interest?

Thanks for any help!

Was wondering myself if someone like Palace had tried to hijack the deal, hence the delay.

[LondonBristolian]

47 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Ok. I’ve just woken up and I’m a bit confused. Has Semenyo signed for Bournemouth? The fact this thread is still in the transfer forum suggests not? If he hasn’t do we know why and is there another club?

The bloke from Luton, is he coming to us and are Martin/Klose/Massengo etc attracting any interest?

Thanks for any help!

One relevant point could be how and when Bournemouth want to time their transfer announcements. They announced a transfer yesterday and were doing a holocaust memorial post this morning and promoting some community things at lunchtime. There could be a certain point of the day they think it is best to make transfer announcements to "maximise engagement" or whatever the term is. 

[slartibartfast]

Oh FFS hurry up (one way or the other) getting boring now !

[W-S-M Seagull]

16 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Was wondering myself if someone like Palace had tried to hijack the deal, hence the delay.

I reckon so. This should have been completed by now. 

[cityexile]

4 minutes ago, TomF said:

or we're holding on till we've got replacement sorted. 

Only the club know I guess. It could all be signed and sealed and both clubs have agreed to announce this evening for various reasons, it could be somebody else has jumped in, its about to fall over, or he has woken up and thought 'nah'. Inclined to believe the first but who knows.

Patience is a virtue of which I am not blessed. 

[Hartleysbeard]

3 minutes ago, TomF said:

or we're holding on till we've got replacement sorted. 

I don’t see that being the case. I understand why that happened with the Bentley signing but Semenyo’s leaving isn’t as dependent on someone else coming in as it was with the GK situation. Additionally, Pearson has been surprisingly candid about the transfer speculation around Semenyo so it’s not like there’s anything to delay announcing as we already expect him to no longer be our player. It could we they’re waiting on announcing multiple signings in one big media release. Or it could be he’s popped up to London to see what Palace have to say, assuming they’re matching the fee that is. Glad I took my son to see the Blackburn game at the weekend so he had the chance to see his current favourite City player one last time. Good luck Antoine!

[KegCity]

7 hours ago, Agard Days Night said:

Will soon be forgotten. Overhyped and underdelivered IMHO.

Good player, not a great a player.

Good luck to him and kudos to the club if they’ve sold for what they valued him. 

He’s got quality but there’s a reason West Ham and others decided not to approach. Not been consistent enough, he finds consistency though he’ll be a hell of a player.

[marmite]

I reckon he will be in the squad tomorrow.

[Jerseybean]

39 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Was wondering myself if someone like Palace had tried to hijack the deal, hence the delay.

BT

Think everyone’s waiting for this thread to get to 100 pages then the deal can be done. 

[miketh2nd]

3 hours ago, Curr Avon said:

If the deal hasn't been completed, can Antoine play for us tomorrow.

 

This sounds familiar Emad.... 

[cityexile]

2 minutes ago, marmite said:

I reckon he will be in the squad tomorrow.

In hindsight, it was quite brave to play him last week, given how close the deal was. Might have been a calculated gamble on our part to say 'see, we are not that worried if he goes or not'. 

[BigTone]

3 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

BT

Think everyone’s waiting for this thread to get to 100 pages then the deal can be done. 

Great, only 17 to go !!

[Banjo Red]

Keep pushing guys page 84 incoming.

[Davefevs]

3pm passes!

[BigTone]

At this rate he'll be out of contract at Bournemouth before its announced.

[marmite]

5 minutes ago, cityexile said:

In hindsight, it was quite brave to play him last week, given how close the deal was. Might have been a calculated gamble on our part to say 'see, we are not that worried if he goes or not'. 

I think it was a message of " He is our player and he will play for us until someone seriously shows their hand"., Maybe a bit of bravado but a significant message.

[REDOXO]

I wonder what his value will be in Fantasy Football?

[cityexile]

[petehinton]

Think this one is done but we aren’t announcing until we can announce Cornick very soon after, ala tonight 

[Slack]

Am I right in thinking the forum doesn't really have anyone ITK these days?

I don't know why but I have a gut feeling we're going to sign someone else that no-one has mentioned like with the new keeper 

Quite enjoy the way we do business in the new Gould era 

Just now, Slack said:

Am I right in thinking the forum doesn't really have anyone ITK these days?

I don't know why but I have a gut feeling we're going to sign someone else that no-one has mentioned like with the new keeper 

Quite enjoy the way we do business in the new Gould era 

Sorry apart from Roy

[BigTone]

10 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Think this one is done but we aren’t announcing until we can announce Cornick very soon after, ala tonight 

Why would that stop Bournemouth announcing ?

[rednotblue]

Stab in the dark. Issue with medical

[petehinton]

1 minute ago, BigTone said:

Why would that stop Bournemouth announcing ?

Clubs quite often will agree this sort of stuff. Announcing it makes no real odds other than timing of tweets these days really, as long as it was done in time for him to be part of the squad for their next game that’s prob all they’ll care about 

[AshtonRobin21]

I would take a guess that it will be a 5 or 6pm announcement, with Cornick to follow.

[LondonBristolian]

33 minutes ago, marmite said:

I reckon he will be in the squad tomorrow.

I think the only way that would happen would be if the deal was definitely off. If it is this close to being completed, Bournemouth won't let him play.

It's been fifteen years so could easily be forgotten but we pulled the plug on a deal for Egyptian striker Emad Meteb deal for that exact reason of him playing when he was about to complete a move. 

[lenred]

5 minutes ago, rednotblue said:

Stab in the dark. Issue with medical

Wasn’t it being reported he’d passed that? Thought so anyway.  

[Curr Avon]

1 minute ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

I would take a guess that it will be a 5 or 6pm announcement, with Cornick to follow.

I'd prefer the Cheeseboard thanks.

[One Team]

19 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Think this one is done but we aren’t announcing until we can announce Cornick very soon after, ala tonight 

I agree Pete, said similar on page 70-something of this that Pearson inferred as much in his press conference.

[Northern Red]

3 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Clubs quite often will agree this sort of stuff. Announcing it makes no real odds other than timing of tweets these days really, as long as it was done in time for him to be part of the squad for their next game that’s prob all they’ll care about 

Yep. And City would want to announce an arrival ASAP after he leaves, soften the blow a bit.

Bournemouth have no game this weekend, so it makes no difference to them.

[hinsleburg]

Announcements now are essentially used as Marketing tools, most things now get announced late afternoon/early evening as that's when it will generate the most likes/clicks etc. As alluded clubs often sync announcements, if we are very close to Cornick then I wouldn't be surprised to see Semenyo at 5 and Cornick at 6...

This would have all been completed late last night/early this morning and don't think there's anything sinister or exciting (Joe Bryan, Steve Bruce, Motorway...) going on...

[MarcusX]

4 hours ago, Curr Avon said:

If the deal hasn't been completed, can Antoine play for us tomorrow.

 

He's cup tied anyway, if that matters, but I guess it'll be about potential injury.

I'd play him if nothings been agreed yet.

[phantom]

21 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Why would that stop Bournemouth announcing ?

So not to alert clubs we are dealing with about how much cash we have in the bank

5 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

He's cup tied anyway, if that matters, but I guess it'll be about potential injury.

I'd play him if nothings been agreed yet.

Who's cup tied, I'm confused?

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

20 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think the only way that would happen would be if the deal was definitely off. If it is this close to being completed, Bournemouth won't let him play.

It's been fifteen years so could easily be forgotten but we pulled the plug on a deal for Egyptian striker Emad Meteb deal for that exact reason of him playing when he was about to complete a move. 

I didn't read this thread to be made to feel old.  You SOD! 

Edited January 27, 2023 by Lorenzos Only Goal

[BigTone]

1 minute ago, phantom said:

So not to alert clubs we are dealing with about how much cash we have in the bank

Who's cup tied, I'm confused?

Personally I think there is a last ditch 3rd party bid which has caught Antione's attention. Probably 100% wrong but something is slowing the process down and its nowt to do with us announcing a replacement to soften the blow. The AS transfer has been news for days now so no surprise to any of us. 

[Davefevs]

38 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Think this one is done but we aren’t announcing until we can announce Cornick very soon after, ala tonight 

22 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

I would take a guess that it will be a 5 or 6pm announcement, with Cornick to follow.

Sony / Columbia are playing hardball on the music / image rights for the video the media team want to use

[bcfc01]

14:21JAMES PIERCY

Just on Semenyo

The expectation is that there will be announcement today - potentially around tea time. Just thinking out aloud (genuinely, this isn't said with any genuine knowledge), we're wondering - as was the case when Dan Bentley left the club - if there's scope for City announcing an incoming soon after the outgoing.

 

[Kid in the Riot]

Of course the deal is done. People seem to have forgotten about Fabrizio Romano's tweet from last night. 

 

[Vidal]

Semenyo announced later I recon

Edited January 27, 2023 by Vidal

[downendcity]

1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

BT

Think everyone’s waiting for this thread to get to 100 pages then the deal can be done. 

If the thread gets to 100 pages do we then qualify for a swap deal with Nketiah?

[marmite]

29 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think the only way that would happen would be if the deal was definitely off. If it is this close to being completed, Bournemouth won't let him play.

It's been fifteen years so could easily be forgotten but we pulled the plug on a deal for Egyptian striker Emad Meteb deal for that exact reason of him playing when he was about to complete a move. 

I remember that deal. I was suggesting he might be in the squad if the deal fell through as opposed to not having been completed. If Bournemouth have come across a problem then he remains our player and if fit , should feature for us. 

[BigTone]

16 to go

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

17 minutes ago, downendcity said:

If the thread gets to 100 pages do we then qualify for a swap deal with Nketiah?

No, we just get a telegram from King Charlie. 

[LondonBristolian]

13 minutes ago, marmite said:

I remember that deal. I was suggesting he might be in the squad if the deal fell through as opposed to not having been completed. If Bournemouth have come across a problem then he remains our player and if fit , should feature for us. 

There is no evidence Bournemouth have found a problem though. I can’t even find a suggestion of it anywhere.

All that appears to have happened is the deal has not been announced yet. That does not necessarily mean it has not been completed.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Certainly nothing on the B'muff OS. 

[exAtyeoMax]

done

[ralphindevon]

Finally announced on Bournemouth twitter.

[bearded_red]

Announced.

[Red Army 75]

Gone

[exAtyeoMax]

 

 

[Silvio Dante]

On the OS which should satisfy a certain person:

[!james]

 

 

[ralphindevon]

All the best Antoine, I know not everyone on here likes to keep up with players once they’ve left us but I’ll be keeping a close watch on him.

Really enjoyed watching him play