The Semenyo Thread - Now a Bournemouth Player. Deal Confirmed

[Port Said Red]

9 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Hmmm.

An excellent run, but surely he should have passed rather than shooting.

I thought his fellow attackers positioning was poor, if he wanted that pass he should have come far more central.

[t_b]

8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I thought his fellow attackers positioning was poor, if he wanted that pass he should have come far more central.

Agree. The other run does nothing. The covering defender comes across to Semenyo but the other attacker doesn’t take any decisive action to put himself in an obvious place to receive the ball. 

[Davefevs]

In today’s press conference Nige said (paraphrased) - we can’t afford an Antoine, they cost £11m or whatever it was.

Was he just playing with the press or did he let it slip?

[chowie]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

In today’s press conference Nige said (paraphrased) - we can’t afford an Antoine, they cost £11m or whatever it was.

Was he just playing with the press or did he let it slip?

Yeah, I took it as a slip, then added a “or whatever it was” to brush over it.

[glynriley]

Doh..!!

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/antoine-semenyo-bristol-city-bournemouth-8371321

 

[cidercity1987]

On 22/02/2023 at 17:28, Davefevs said:

In today’s press conference Nige said (paraphrased) - we can’t afford an Antoine, they cost £11m or whatever it was.

Was he just playing with the press or did he let it slip?

It's not the first time he's said that though 

[REDOXO]

On 22/02/2023 at 11:28, Davefevs said:

In today’s press conference Nige said (paraphrased) - we can’t afford an Antoine, they cost £11m or whatever it was.

Was he just playing with the press or did he let it slip?

A bit of both. Today’s story has brought Semenyo back into focus. It’s implied, if true,  City may not do as well as they could have and some will jump on that and use it as a criticism of the club.
 

If I were Pearson if it is true I’d want to know how Bristol post got it and if not just take the piss out of the nay sayers! 
 

 

[Davefevs]

I’m not speaking with any authority here, but I think we’d have been stupid to base a “survival” payout on appearance / minutes.  That’s not to say we could drive the deal we wanted, but it would leave us open to Bournemouth playing silly buggers with his game time.

[Frenchay Red]

Tinman, guest speaker at Senior Reds today, seemed to be of the opinion that Bournemouth staying up would be of financial benefit to us.

[maxjak]

Pheck me.............I really miss watching Antoine play......we just aren't as entertaining without him.......and as is obviously apparent, our goalscoring has most definitely suffered........such is the life of a Championship club?................and so it goes?

Edited April 20, 2023 by maxjak

[sh1t_ref_again]

Well this must be true if it said it in the post, makes a change they have got a story from somewhere else and not on here, must be trolling Twitter or twit-tok for stories now

[REDOXO]

28 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Tinman, guest speaker at Senior Reds today, seemed to be of the opinion that Bournemouth staying up would be of financial benefit to us.

Very glad to hear this. I like others would be amazed that we wouldn’t get a payout. Although I suspect there is additional awards for goals and minutes.
 

Basically I guess that’s the rub, an extra million (my number just for fun) if they stay up and more based upon contribution to the team. 

Either way cmon Muff!

Edited April 20, 2023 by REDOXO

[Dredd]

I hate that PL clubs (lower table ones at that) have the financial clout to hoover up any half decent talent in the Championship and just let them sit on their benches game after game. There's an argument that the player could be more wise to their position but when the bright lights and ££ come calling I guess it's hard to turn down.  How many clubs have their bets talent poached when it could be the difference between them pushing on for some time in the Prem of their own or languishing mid table

[Mr Popodopolous]

If it's actually a £9m initial fee that's a little disappointing possibly.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Frenchay Red said:

Tinman, guest speaker at Senior Reds today, seemed to be of the opinion that Bournemouth staying up would be of financial benefit to us.

Did Ian Gay have his one-to-one with Brian like he alluded to last week?  Only for Dave P to call him out that it wasn’t that, but just that Tins was speaking to Senior Reds!

Anything else you can tell us “young-uns”?

Edited April 20, 2023 by Davefevs

[ExiledAjax]

2 hours ago, glynriley said:

Doh..!!

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/antoine-semenyo-bristol-city-bournemouth-8371321

Why "Doh?"

Is it over this "Bristol City did include a Premier League survival clause in Antoine Semenyo's deal with Bournemouth but may not qualify for it over his lack of game time, Bristol Live understands." That's it on this btw, no further detail, no evidence, nothing to suggest the Post "understand" much at all.

Regardless, assuming this was the best position we could negotiate then that's no mistake on our part. It's pretty reasonable for Bournemouth to limit their risk by having a caveat on an extra payment. Earn-outs, deferred payments, bonuses, they're almost always conditional. Who knows what we gained in return for giving them that power to control their exposure to an add-on. Maybe we got an extra £500k up front. General rule is certain cash now is better than possible cash in the future.

Apologies @glynriley. This reads aggressively. You're just repeating the Post. It's the Post's article that's crap, not your post. I'm not meaning to piss you off.

Edited April 20, 2023 by ExiledAjax

[Frenchay Red]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Did Ian Gay have his one-to-one with Brian like he alluded to last week?  Only for Dave P to call him out that it wasn’t that, but just that Tins was speaking to Senior Reds!

Anything else you can tell us “young-uns”?

Well Ian did get in the first round of questions , I thought Tins dealt with them very diplomatically, answered in full and gave nothing away

Tins hinted that if Alex goes it will be for  more than the sum presently being talked about. But who knows

Said 3 or 4 likely to be incoming, young pacy talent from the lower leagues will be the targets. Not looking at any older experienced targets.

Unlikely to add another GK.

And didn't not make any comments about players leaving, apart from Alex, (for big money it seems.)

Also confirmed plenty of promising talent coming up through the academy, several of whom are already training with the first team.

Said NP very keen on giving academy players every chance of breaking into the first team if they are good enough. Not keen on loans as it's merely developing players for other clubs to profit from, as Chelsea did with Tammy.

 

[Kid in the Riot]

6 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Well Ian did get in the first round of questions , I thought Tins dealt with them very diplomatically, answered in full and gave nothing away

Tins hinted that if Alex goes it will be for  more than the sum presently being talked about. But who knows

Said 3 or 4 likely to be incoming, young pacy talent from the lower leagues will be the targets. Not looking at any older experienced targets.

Unlikely to add another GK.

And didn't not make any comments about players leaving, apart from Alex, (for big money it seems.)

Also confirmed plenty of promising talent coming up through the academy, several of whom are already training with the first team.

Said NP very keen on giving academy players every chance of breaking into the first team if they are good enough. Not keen on loans as it's merely developing players for other clubs to profit from, as Chelsea did with Tammy.

Thanks for that, was going to ask how it went.

As you say, sounds like Tins didn't give much away.

Still think 3 or 4 in sounds light, unless we make use of the loan system (which sounds unlikely). 

[1960maaan]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Still think 3 or 4 in sounds light

I'm thinking the same. 
With Scott going, highly likely we will lose Kalas. King having a more limited role it does seem short, even allowing for Pearson's preference for a smaller squad. I was hoping the 3/4 targets were main targets, but there would be more.

[RedRaw]

27 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

 

Unlikely to add another GK.

 

 

That’s a frightening proposition.

Unless bajic returns who we have no idea if he is any good yet, that’s leaves max (still not comfortable with him as number 1 if we are looking to make a challenge for the PO next season) and harvey (no experience at all)

[Frenchay Red]

35 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

That’s a frightening proposition.

Unless bajic returns who we have no idea if he is any good yet, that’s leaves max (still not comfortable with him as number 1 if we are looking to make a challenge for the PO next season) and harvey (no experience at all)

Perhaps I should have added "unless the need arises"

Tins gave the impression that adding another GK was not something they were looking at.

NP and the coaching staff know best, I guess

Edited April 20, 2023 by Frenchay Red

[REDOXO]

33 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

That’s a frightening proposition.

Unless bajic returns who we have no idea if he is any good yet, that’s leaves max (still not comfortable with him as number 1 if we are looking to make a challenge for the PO next season) and harvey (no experience at all)

I’m really rather hoping the coaching staff know if he’s any good and possibly have an idea about Harvey. But I guess we will see. If Tinman is not being coy I guess they think one or both will be good enough next season to at least be considered competition. 

[REDOXO]

3 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Perhaps I should have added "unless the need arises"

Tins gave the impression that adding another GK was not something they were looking at.

NP and the coaching staff know best, I guess

A good bid for Max would make the need arise, I guess! Or an injury of course. Either way I guess we will see. 

[Frenchay Red]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Thanks for that, was going to ask how it went.

As you say, sounds like Tins didn't give much away.

Still think 3 or 4 in sounds light, unless we make use of the loan system (which sounds unlikely). 

I very much got the impression that Tins thought some more academy players might be being considered ready for the first team next season at some point. Which would obviously add to the ones that are likely to be brought in.

[Frenchay Red]

One other point is that he said we now have a firm wage structure which we will stick to and won't be changed and said that we already pay more than clubs such as Millwall, Luton, Coventry and PNE who are in and around the playoffs. There will be no wasteful spending sprees like we saw a few years ago by you know who.

He couldn't bring himself to mention Ashton's name

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

I very much got the impression that Tins thought some more academy players might be being considered ready for the first team next season at some point. Which would obviously add to the ones that are likely to be brought in.

Araoye (LCB)

Knight-Lebel (RCB) maybe one more season away, but you never know

Palmer-Houlden (CF)

Plus Morrison (Left Side anywhere it seems), Wood (LB/LCB), Thomas (CF) and Leeson (RB) have been on the bench, whilst Low (CB), Idehen (CB), Francois (CF) have made brief appearances.

I see Taylor-Clarke as part of the first team group now.

[Frenchay Red]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Araoye (LCB)

Knight-Lebel (RCB) maybe one more season away, but you never know

Palmer-Houlden (CF)

Plus Morrison (Left Side anywhere it seems), Wood (LB/LCB), Thomas (CF) and Leeson (RB) have been on the bench, whilst Low (CB), Idehen (CB), Francois (CF) have made brief appearances.

I see Taylor-Clarke as part of the first team group now.

You are way more knowledgeable than me regarding the academy players, but I do recognise that he mentioned several of the names you list. If we can continue to help youngsters to break into the first team in the way we have this season then the future looks promising.

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

You are way more knowledgeable than me regarding the academy players, but I do recognise that he mentioned several of the names you list. If we can continue to help youngsters to break into the first team in the way we have this season then the future looks promising.

This is a list of all academy players yet to appear in the first team (inc Pre-Season).

…at least the ones I know of / have read about.

Callum Hewlett is I believe Matt’s son.

[alexukhc]

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This is a list of all academy players yet to appear in the first team (inc Pre-Season).

…at least the ones I know of / have read about.

Callum Hewlett is I believe Matt’s son.

Jaden is Aaron’s son

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

Jaden is Aaron’s son

Ta

[Colombo Robin]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

This is a list of all academy players yet to appear in the first team (inc Pre-Season).

…at least the ones I know of / have read about.

Callum Hewlett is I believe Matt’s son.

Hoping Ephraim Osel is Tony's son/clone!!

Edited April 21, 2023 by Colombo Robin

[Major Isewater]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Tamworth.

 

[alexukhc]

17 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

 

[1960maaan]

On 20/04/2023 at 23:04, Davefevs said:

This is a list of all academy players yet to appear in the first team (inc Pre-Season).

…at least the ones I know of / have read about.

Callum Hewlett is I believe Matt’s son.

What has happened to James Taylor ?
Saw him a couple of times for the U21s and was quite impressed. Must be getting to the age he breaks through here or is released.

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

What has happened to James Taylor ?
Saw him a couple of times for the U21s and was quite impressed. Must be getting to the age he breaks through here or is released.

He’s in my first team list, because he played pre-season in the first team.  As far as I’m aware he returned from his Cheltenham loan, played one, maybe two u21 games and nothing else.

[1960maaan]

Just now, Davefevs said:

He’s in my first team list, because he played pre-season in the first team.  As far as I’m aware he returned from his Cheltenham loan, played one, maybe two u21 games and nothing else.

I knew he played a few Cup minutes for Cheltenham , but seems to have dropped off the Radar. 
I miss those live U21 feeds.

[WarksRobin]

On 20/04/2023 at 23:21, alexukhc said:

Jaden is Aaron’s son

Now I feel old

[Port Said Red]

On 20/04/2023 at 22:46, Davefevs said:

Araoye (LCB)

Knight-Lebel (RCB) maybe one more season away, but you never know

Palmer-Houlden (CF)

Plus Morrison (Left Side anywhere it seems), Wood (LB/LCB), Thomas (CF) and Leeson (RB) have been on the bench, whilst Low (CB), Idehen (CB), Francois (CF) have made brief appearances.

I see Taylor-Clarke as part of the first team group now.

I think this is pretty much the list I would make of those players that will be involved next season, I might add the goalkeeper Casa-Grande, I know Wiles-Richards is the current understudy but I am led to believe that J CG is considered the one with the most potential on our books. 

As I have said on other threads, it's a tight balancing act, I understand what @Kid in the Riot means when he says 4 seems a bit light, but that space to bring in the Academy youngsters is key to getting the best talent to come here in the first place. 

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I think this is pretty much the list I would make of those players that will be involved next season, I might add the goalkeeper Casa-Grande, I know Wiles-Richards is the current understudy but I am led to believe that J CG is considered the one with the most potential on our books. 

As I have said on other threads, it's a tight balancing act, I understand what @Kid in the Riot means when he says 4 seems a bit light, but that space to bring in the Academy youngsters is key to getting the best talent to come here in the first place. 

Yep, if you think that of the three likely leavers this summer (Kalas, Dasilva and Scott), only one has been a starter, one has been in and out and pretty much second choice now and the other injured virtually all season, it feels like four signings gives us a lot more depth than it might on the face of it.

[Merrick's Marvels]

21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I understand what @Kid in the Riot  means... but that space to bring in the Academy youngsters is key to getting the best talent to come here in the first place. 

I struggle to square this with our stated aims, though i.e. getting in the playoffs/promotion. Unless we have a young Lionel Messi coming through or, at the very least, a couple of Alex Scotts.  Which is highly unlikely. 

I can't visualise some of our current first teamers playing in a promotion winning team, never mind doing so with promising kids on the bench or getting regular games!

Also, injuries this season have exposed the lack of depth in our squad and I can't  see how continuing to rely on kids will improve our depth of quality, either.  

All that said, a pathway is vital.

Tis a difficult circle to square, for sure. 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I struggle to square this with our stated aims, though i.e. getting in the playoffs/promotion. Unless we have a young Lionel Messi coming through or, at the very least, a couple of Alex Scotts.  Which is highly unlikely. 

I can't visualise some of our current first teasers playing in a promotion winning team, never mind doing so with promising kids on the bench.

Injuries this season have exposed the lack of depth in our squad and I can't  see how continuing to rely on kids will improve our depth of quality, either.  

All that said, a pathway is vital.

A difficult circle to square, for sure. 

I get that.

For me, I’ve seen at times this seasons that we aren’t that far away.  If we could add one or two “upgrades” together with a couple of players that can help with the depth, then we ought not to be quite so exposed by injuries and hopefully maintain those more promising runs we e had this season.

As always, a lot depends on recruitment.  But also keeping key players fit the majority of time, e.g. James, Naismith.

I guess we will have a much better feel at the end of July / and end of window.

[Port Said Red]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, if you think that of the three likely leavers this summer (Kalas, Dasilva and Scott), only one has been a starter, one has been in and out and pretty much second choice now and the other injured virtually all season, it feels like four signings gives us a lot more depth than it might on the face of it.

You can add Benarous into those choices too, I think he would have got a lot of minutes this season and looks to be in the running to be around pre-season.

14 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I struggle to square this with our stated aims, though i.e. getting in the playoffs/promotion. Unless we have a young Lionel Messi coming through or, at the very least, a couple of Alex Scotts.  Which is highly unlikely. 

I can't visualise some of our current first teamers playing in a promotion winning team, never mind doing so with promising kids on the bench or getting regular games!

Also, injuries this season have exposed the lack of depth in our squad and I can't  see how continuing to rely on kids will improve our depth of quality, either.  

All that said, a pathway is vital.

Tis a difficult circle to square, for sure. 

You'll never win anything with kids?

You have to think that all those playing right now will be treated as core for next season, I think with the mooted 4 signings that takes us close to 24 players before the next group of youngsters is considered, that sounds a reasonable balance to me.

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

You can add Benarous into those choices too, I think he would have got a lot of minutes this season and looks to be in the running to be around pre-season.

You'll never win anything with kids?

You have to think that all those playing right now will be treated as core for next season, I think with the mooted 4 signings that takes us close to 24 players before the next group of youngsters is considered, that sounds a reasonable balance to me.

Good point.

Was chatting to @GrahamC last night…

…said if Kalas, Scott and Dasilva went and we signed four (*), we’d look like this:

* guesses as to early incomings

# injured

[Davefevs]

Recurrence?

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

On 22/04/2023 at 10:14, 1960maaan said:

What has happened to James Taylor ?

He got a friend. 

[1960maaan]

6 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

He got a friend. 

One for the kids there, I had to double check 

[cidered abroad]

On 22/04/2023 at 14:22, Davefevs said:

Good point.

Was chatting to @GrahamC last night…

…said if Kalas, Scott and Dasilva went and we signed four (*), we’d look like this:

* guesses as to early incomings

# injured

Add Joe Bryan and that is a very decent squad that should be good enough for a top six finish.

[Son of Fred]

7 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Add Joe Bryan and that is a very decent squad that should be good enough for a top six finish.

Your going to be disappointed 

[Port Said Red]

4 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Your going to be disappointed 

Why? Are those players not coming then!

[BCFCGav]

On 22/04/2023 at 14:22, Davefevs said:

Good point.

Was chatting to @GrahamC last night…

…said if Kalas, Scott and Dasilva went and we signed four (*), we’d look like this:

* guesses as to early incomings

# injured

Collins? I must’ve missed that rumour?

[Davefevs]

Just now, BCFCGav said:

Collins? I must’ve missed that rumour?

No rumour just me putting names in boxes.

[NcnsBcfc]

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No rumour just me putting names in boxes.

As in Aaron Collins, and in midfield?

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

As in Aaron Collins, and in midfield?

No, no.

[And Its Smith]

https://x.com/afcbournemouth/status/1696138058096369695?s=46&t=4w4wRaeZYqo50-a3ONBubA
 

looks to have had a very good start to the season. 

[Tinmans Love Child]

8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

https://x.com/afcbournemouth/status/1696138058096369695?s=46&t=4w4wRaeZYqo50-a3ONBubA
 

looks to have had a very good start to the season. 

He looks to have beefed up a bit to me

[And Its Smith]

15 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

He looks to have beefed up a bit to me

Yeah he does.  Really hope he can become an established premier league player 

[slartibartfast]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Yeah he does.  Really hope he can become an established premier league player 

Yes, so we can profit !

[And Its Smith]

6 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Yes, so we can profit !

Didn’t even think of that! 

[italian dave]

9 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

He looks to have beefed up a bit to me

Yep, and he was always a big strong guy before that - you wouldn’t want to be a defender with him bearing down on you.

Still the same combination of a sublime touch one minute and couldn’t control a ball in a car park the next. Great to see him doing well though. 

[TDarwall]

It was also nice to see Bobby Reid was captain for Fulham at the weekend.

It does demonstrate that the development of a player is rarely linear.   Not sure many would have suggested Bobby was a future captain of a Prem team.

 

[Engvall’s Splinter]

Once he sorts his final ball we could really see a lumpy sell on. Real dangerous, powerful yet awkward style. Good to watch when running at pace. 

[downendcity]

8 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Once he sorts his final ball we could really see a lumpy sell on. Real dangerous, powerful yet awkward style. Good to watch when running at pace. 

His combination of pace and power frightens defenders at any level.

As he gains experience against top class defenders and adds more final product he could have a great career at top level.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Seems we weren't the only ones with a penalty drought. Bournemouth 609 days!!

Semenyo broke that yesterday, won it. Bournemouth fan I know loves Semenyo..hasn't mentioned Scott much yet but I guess Scott had frequently been injured so he hasn't seen anything like his full range.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Interesting Tweet too, assume it is some analyst type- what do we think.

I remember pace, power, goals and assists but surely he was capable of carrying it here? Remember him being fairly unplayable v Birmingham in one of his penultimate game.

[Kirsikka]

Semenyo has been absolutely brilliant so far this season. You can judge how well he is doing by who he is keeping out of the starting eleven - David Brooks, Dango Outtara (£20m young winger signed from France) and Luis Sinisterra, who was one of the best players for Leeds last season in the Premier League.

The demands the system puts on the wide forwards mean the manager will almost always replace them to keep energy levels up in those positions, so don't be distracted by him getting subbed in almost every match. That's simply the way it works.

He'll be going to AFCON soon so will be giving up that starting place which is always a risk but he has to be pleased with how well he's adapted to the pace of the Premier League.

[Lanterne Rouge]

13 minutes ago, Kirsikka said:

Semenyo has been absolutely brilliant so far this season. You can judge how well he is doing by who he is keeping out of the starting eleven - David Brooks, Dango Outtara (£20m young winger signed from France) and Luis Sinisterra, who was one of the best players for Leeds last season in the Premier League.

The demands the system puts on the wide forwards mean the manager will almost always replace them to keep energy levels up in those positions, so don't be distracted by him getting subbed in almost every match. That's simply the way it works.

He'll be going to AFCON soon so will be giving up that starting place which is always a risk but he has to be pleased with how well he's adapted to the pace of the Premier League.

I saw he was in the initial 55 man squad (unsurprisingly!) but do you think he`ll make the cut? I presume he will.

[ExiledAjax]

He has travelled (as has Wollacott).

I'm not sure if there's a payment scheme for continental competitions as there is for the world cup, but we might get something for this call up, either direct from AFCON or as a bonus in his transfer agreement.

[alexukhc]

On 29/08/2023 at 08:07, TDarwall said:

It was also nice to see Bobby Reid was captain for Fulham at the weekend.

It does demonstrate that the development of a player is rarely linear.   Not sure many would have suggested Bobby was a future captain of a Prem team.

 

Def our most successful academy player of recent times