We signed two players from Guernsey FC

[WarksRobin]

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/city-gateway-for-guernsey-boys/
 

Ben Aceh and Tim ap Sion. Ones for the future.

[P'head Red]

I was going to post this last night, but just assumed it would've already been posted. Looking forward to seeing what Acey can do, perhaps eventually fill the void of Benarous in and around the first team. Good to see we've snapped up Sion too. The link with Guernsey could prove fruitful for years to come, young players with experience playing with Men at a decent level. 

[WarksRobin]

5 minutes ago, P'head Red said:

I was going to post this last night, but just assumed it would've already been posted. Looking forward to seeing what Acey can do, perhaps eventually fill the void of Benarous in and around the first team. Good to see we've snapped up Sion too. The link with Guernsey could prove fruitful for years to come, young players with experience playing with Men at a decent level. 

I was surprised I couldn’t see it anywhere. Maybe all the forum posters are on the beach already ?

[pongo88]

Some people complain about Steve Lansdown avoiding tax by living in Guernsey but the truth is obvious. He’s prepared to suffer the hardships of living on this small island so that he can act as City’s Channel Islands chief scout. Well done Steve 

[Silvio Dante]

23 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

I was surprised I couldn’t see it anywhere. Maybe all the forum posters are on the beach already ?

 

[View from the Dolman]

Good to see Alex Scott's comment on Ben's Instagram post: "I'll look after you son" 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdgib8MLwhk/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[A Horse With No Name]

Thought they looked like anagrams, then I realised the first one is an anagram of  en beach.  Not hopeful of his commitment towards the end of a season.

Edited May 14, 2022 by The Horse With No Name

[The Humble Realist]

Fingers crossed they are another alex Scott.

Think fans are more interested in the retained list then two young uns who probably wont feature for a couple of years at least 

[Redrascal2]

That's the transfer budget gone then!!

[SecretSam]

Are there any teenage boys left on Guernsey?

[E.G.Red]

1 hour ago, The Humble Realist said:

Fingers crossed they are another alex Scott.

Think fans are more interested in the retained list then two young uns who probably wont feature for a couple of years at least 

If the comments from the Guernsey coach regarding Ben & Alex are anything to go by, I can see Ben featuring in the U23s next season.

[grifty]

14 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

If the comments from the Guernsey coach regarding Ben & Alex are anything to go by, I can see Ben featuring in the U23s next season.

Wasn't it that Ben looked the better player a few years ago?

[Sir Geoff]

Didn't we sign Ben Acey in January and loan him back ?

[James54De]

2 hours ago, The Humble Realist said:

Fingers crossed they are another alex Scott.

Think fans are more interested in the retained list then two young uns who probably wont feature for a couple of years at least 

Ben Acey has signed a professional contract. 

[Lrrr]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Didn't we sign Ben Acey in January and loan him back ?

Think it was just a pre-contract due to start this summer 

[Port Said Red]

13 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Think it was just a pre-contract due to start this summer 

Yes that was on the Transfer forum I think via @Jerseybean? Tim Ap Sion seems more under the radar, interesting name though sounds almost Korean or something, but his picture doesn't seem to support that. He has played for England U16's as well.

Some pretty impressive age group sprinting times here too.

https://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=948204

Edited May 14, 2022 by Port Said Red

[glynriley]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Yes that was on the Transfer forum I think via @Jerseybean? Tim Ap Sion seems more under the radar, interesting name though sounds almost Korean or something, but his picture doesn't seem to support that. He has played for England U16's as well.

The ‘ap’ derives from Welsh I believe. Means ‘son of’.

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, glynriley said:

The ‘ap’ derives from Welsh I believe. Means ‘son of’.

Never knew that, with a name like Gareth you would think I should  

[glynriley]

15 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Never knew that, with a name like Gareth you would think I should  

I only know because I read some stuff about this bloke. 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Amerike

[Port Said Red]

1 hour ago, glynriley said:

I only know because I read some stuff about this bloke. 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Amerike

A fascinating period of history, an area that my late father was really interested in and passed that interest on to me. One story we were very interested in was the idea that Cabot actually had a rudimentary map of "an unknown coastline" that he was supposed to have bought from local fishermen. The suggestion was that there were people fishing that far West but obviously keeping those fishing grounds as a secret for their own gain. 
I haven't seen anything in recent times that backs that idea, but the fact they have found so much evidence of Norse influence in Canada and Newfoundland suggests that finding land in that area wasn't that much of surprise to some areas of Europe.

[Lanterne Rouge]

2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

A fascinating period of history, an area that my late father was really interested in and passed that interest on to me. One story we were very interested in was the idea that Cabot actually had a rudimentary map of "an unknown coastline" that he was supposed to have bought from local fishermen. The suggestion was that there were people fishing that far West but obviously keeping those fishing grounds as a secret for their own gain. 
I haven't seen anything in recent times that backs that idea, but the fact they have found so much evidence of Norse influence in Canada and Newfoundland suggests that finding land in that area wasn't that much of surprise to some areas of Europe.

The Basque fishermen were supposedly one of the first to discover it.

[Port Said Red]

33 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

The Basque fishermen were supposedly one of the first to discover it.

Yes I have heard this theory too, Cabot did spend a lot of time in Spain, whether that was in the Basque region I am not sure, but it might be another source of information for him. The thing that always makes me smile about these explorers is how they find things by accident, Drake was looking for the East Indies for example, Cabot thought he could find an alternative route to China.

[Lanterne Rouge]

7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Yes I have heard this theory too, Cabot did spend a lot of time in Spain, whether that was in the Basque region I am not sure, but it might be another source of information for him. The thing that always makes me smile about these explorers is how they find things by accident, Drake was looking for the East Indies for example, Cabot thought he could find an alternative route to China.

I suspect the truth is a mix of all the theories. The location was probably common knowledge to the Scandinavians, Basques and quite a few others but Cabot was the first to record his `discoveries`. 

A fascinating period of history though certainly. Have you ever read 1421, When China Discovered The World by Gavin Menzies? That throws a few other scenarios into the mix!

[Davefevs]

6 hours ago, SecretSam said:

Are there any teenage boys left on Guernsey?

Not sure that’s the best question I’ve ever seen!

[Harry]

1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

The Basque fishermen were supposedly one of the first to discover it.

Given there were people already living there, I reckon it had already been discovered.

[Major Isewater]

On 14/05/2022 at 13:01, SecretSam said:

Are there any teenage boys left on Guernsey?

 

[Chivs]

On 14/05/2022 at 17:44, Port Said Red said:

Yes I have heard this theory too, Cabot did spend a lot of time in Spain, whether that was in the Basque region I am not sure, but it might be another source of information for him. The thing that always makes me smile about these explorers is how they find things by accident, Drake was looking for the East Indies for example, Cabot thought he could find an alternative route to China.

Bit harsh.  Don't tell me you haven't been looking through a kitchen drawer for those passport photos and come across some old laces and thought "Hmmm, that's a really interesting discovery"?

[COYR's]

I saw a little bit of Tim Ap Sion when he was over on trial and was very impressed. Looked very quick with an eye for goal. Only 16 though so

very much one for the future.

[Port Said Red]

1 hour ago, Chivs said:

Bit harsh.  Don't tell me you haven't been looking through a kitchen drawer for those passport photos and come across some old laces and thought "Hmmm, that's a really interesting discovery"?

Throughout history so many things have been discovered by accident, from penicillin to post it notes. Not knocking it, just saying that sometimes you can't find something for looking and then stumble across other things when you least expect it.

[Davefevs]

Just now, Port Said Red said:

Throughout history so many things have been discovered by accident, from penicillin to post it notes. Not knocking it, just saying that sometimes you can't find something for looking and then stumble across other things when you least expect it.

The bloke who invented cats eyes, would’ve invented the pencil sharpener had the cat been facing away from him!

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

The bloke who invented cats eyes, would’ve invented the pencil sharpener had the cat been facing away from him!

[Red-Robbo]

On 14/05/2022 at 17:55, Lanterne Rouge said:

I suspect the truth is a mix of all the theories. The location was probably common knowledge to the Scandinavians, Basques and quite a few others but Cabot was the first to record his `discoveries`. 

A fascinating period of history though certainly. Have you ever read 1421, When China Discovered The World by Gavin Menzies? That throws a few other scenarios into the mix!

 

Vikings definitely sailed there. Norse era archaeological remains have been discovered in a number of Newfoundland locations with technology and materials only available in Europe at the time. 

I read a book about Cod once (yes really!) and it advances a compelling argument that although the Norse "Vinland" knowledge had been lost, both Basque and Bristolian  fishermen had re-discovered North America well before Columbus (and Cabot) but kept the discovery secret for commercial advantage. There is even a reference in the Bristol archives by one merchant to "our distant fishing grounds, across the Ocean" (ie: the Grand Banks) dating back to 1454.

Going back to Acey and ap Sion, Jerseymen call people from Guernsey "donkeys". Scott certainly isn't one, and let's hope these two lads are equally not. 

[fairweather]

18 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Vikings definitely sailed there. Norse era archaeological remains have been discovered in a number of Newfoundland locations with technology and materials only available in Europe at the time. 

I read a book about Cod once (yes really!) and it advances a compelling argument that although the Norse "Vinland" knowledge had been lost, both Basque and Bristolian  fishermen had re-discovered North America well before Columbus (and Cabot) but kept the discovery secret for commercial advantage. There is even a reference in the Bristol archives by one merchant to "our distant fishing grounds, across the Ocean" (ie: the Grand Banks) dating back to 1454.

Going back to Acey and ap Sion, Jerseymen call people from Guernsey "donkeys". Scott certainly isn't one, and let's hope these two lads are equally not. 

I’ve always assumed the practice of salt drying the cod to preserve it allowed the Basques to travel such distances. Was that in your Cod book?

( I have a bit of an obsession with historical food preservation techniques!)

[Leveller]

On 14/05/2022 at 15:11, Port Said Red said:

Never knew that, with a name like Gareth you would think I should  

Indeed! You’re not called Price, I hope, as that is derived from ap Rhys - son of Rhys.

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, fairweather said:

I’ve always assumed the practice of salt drying the cod to preserve it allowed the Basques to travel such distances. Was that in your Cod book?

( I have a bit of an obsession with historical food preservation techniques!)

 

Very much so.  It was in fact the Catholic Church's decision in the Middle Ages that you could eat fish on Friday, which hitherto had been considered a day of fast, that drove the massive demand and expansion of European fisheries. As European waters struggled to meet with demand, fishermen from the continent's western extremities went further and further afield to catch fish, particularly cod, which were big and slow-moving, hence easy to catch and much prized.

Salting was the best way to preserve fish on long voyages, which is why you still get salt cod in Iberia and the Scandinavian countries to this day. 

[fairweather]

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

 

Very much so.  It was in fact the Catholic Church's decision in the Middle Ages that you could eat fish on Friday, which hitherto had been considered a day of fast, that drove the massive demand and expansion of European fisheries. As European waters struggled to meet with demand, fishermen from the continent's western extremities went further and further afield to catch fish, particularly cod, which were big and slow-moving, hence easy to catch and much prized.

Salting was the best way to preserve fish on long voyages, which is why you still get salt cod in Iberia and the Scandinavian countries to this day. 

Do you recall the name of this book? Sounds right up my street

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, fairweather said:

Do you recall the name of this book? Sounds right up my street

 

It's simply called Cod, and it's by Mark Kurlansky.  It also contains recipes made with said fish. 

[SecretSam]

On 14/05/2022 at 18:32, Davefevs said:

Not sure that’s the best question I’ve ever seen!

Yeah, didn't come out right

[PHILINFRANCE]

2 hours ago, fairweather said:

I’ve always assumed the practice of salt drying the cod to preserve it allowed the Basques to travel such distances. Was that in your Cod book?

 

2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Salting was the best way to preserve fish on long voyages, which is why you still get salt cod in Iberia and the Scandinavian countries to this day. 

 

You may recognise this French dish, known as Brandade, which is a sort of fish pie made from Morue (salt cod), potatoes (it was originally made with just warm milk instead of the potatoes) and (lots of) olive oil and garlic.

What you may not know, however, is that the dish does not originate from the Atlantic coast, but, rather, from the ancient Roman, land-locked town of Nimes, close to the French Mediterranean Sea (full of lovely fish, but no cod).

As long ago as the 16th Century, French fishermen would land their catch of Atlantic cod (Canada, Newfoundland) in the southern French ports, and transport them to the Nimes region where they would exchange their catch for salt, necessary to preserve the fish on its long journey.

The dried, salted cod was, of course, ideal for storage in the hot and dry climate of Southern France, and, so the story goes, a local chef came up with the idea of mashing the dried cod with a mortar and mixing it with milk to make this lovely dish.

It is not only Brandade that originated in Nimes, however; so did the cotton used in your lovely jeans - Cotton de Nimes.    

 

  

 

 

[22A]

Being frivolous; Tim ap Sion is an anagram of Moist Pain.

Ben Acer = Beer Can.

[View from the Dolman]

Just now, 22A said:

Being frivolous; Tim ap Sion is an anagram of Moist Pain.

Ben Acer = Beer Can.

It's Ben Acey not Ben Acer. 

[22A]

Just now, View from the Dolman said:

It's Ben Acey not Ben Acer. 

Damn!

[Harry]

5 hours ago, fairweather said:

Do you recall the name of this book? Sounds right up my street

How To Fall Asleep In 20 Seconds

[Desso]

All sounds a bit fishy to me.

[Davefevs]

Blimey, Acey is a confident, well spoken young man.

Tim Ap Sion is pronounced as one surname - “Apshun”

[Red-Robbo]

3 hours ago, Desso said:

All sounds a bit fishy to me.

 

No chapters on the career of Callum O'Dowda, fortunately. 

[Sheltons Army]

54 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Blimey, Acey is a confident, well spoken young man.

Tim Ap Sion is pronounced as one surname - “Apshun”

Thanks Dave - a very interesting listen , would recommend to all - Vance speaks interestingly about young player development pathway for Guernsey lads , and of Brian Tinnion and his work

Credit to Lee Johnson who clearly embraced the opportunity to forge a relationship , and was very welcoming to Tony Vance , and in helping his understanding and development

I was really impressed by Tony Vance and what he had to say - slightly surprised that we don’t appear to have aided Guernsey FC financially - I would hope that we would address this when Alex Scott moves on

I appreciate we are not bound to , but if we look after them , in return , we have nigh on a satellite academy in all but name 

The amounts required to further cement this relationship , and goodwill , would be small for us but significant for Guernsey

I would even be tempted to a gentleman’s agreement in terms of bonuses regarding players acquired from there 

Small ‘thankyous’ for first team debut etc

[Davefevs]

34 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Thanks Dave - a very interesting listen , would recommend to all - Vance speaks interestingly about young player development pathway for Guernsey lads , and of Brian Tinnion and his work

Credit to Lee Johnson who clearly embraced the opportunity to forge a relationship , and was very welcoming to Tony Vance , and in helping his understanding and development

I was really impressed by Tony Vance and what he had to say - slightly surprised that we don’t appear to have aided Guernsey FC financially - I would hope that we would address this when Alex Scott moves on

I appreciate we are not bound to , but if we look after them , in return , we have nigh on a satellite academy in all but name 

The amounts required to further cement this relationship , and goodwill , would be small for us but significant for Guernsey

I would even be tempted to a gentleman’s agreement in terms of bonuses regarding players acquired from there 

Small ‘thankyous’ for first team debut etc

Yes the second half with Vance was very informative.

[fairweather]

On 16/05/2022 at 18:21, PHILINFRANCE said:

 

 

You may recognise this French dish, known as Brandade, which is a sort of fish pie made from Morue (salt cod), potatoes (it was originally made with just warm milk instead of the potatoes) and (lots of) olive oil and garlic.

What you may not know, however, is that the dish does not originate from the Atlantic coast, but, rather, from the ancient Roman, land-locked town of Nimes, close to the French Mediterranean Sea (full of lovely fish, but no cod).

As long ago as the 16th Century, French fishermen would land their catch of Atlantic cod (Canada, Newfoundland) in the southern French ports, and transport them to the Nimes region where they would exchange their catch for salt, necessary to preserve the fish on its long journey.

The dried, salted cod was, of course, ideal for storage in the hot and dry climate of Southern France, and, so the story goes, a local chef came up with the idea of mashing the dried cod with a mortar and mixing it with milk to make this lovely dish.

It is not only Brandade that originated in Nimes, however; so did the cotton used in your lovely jeans - Cotton de Nimes.    

 

  

 

 

Superb thank you. We should ‘get a room’ and get off this thread

[wybmadwity]

On 16/05/2022 at 14:14, Red-Robbo said:

 

Vikings definitely sailed there. Norse era archaeological remains have been discovered in a number of Newfoundland locations with technology and materials only available in Europe at the time. 

I read a book about Cod once (yes really!) and it advances a compelling argument that although the Norse "Vinland" knowledge had been lost, both Basque and Bristolian  fishermen had re-discovered North America well before Columbus (and Cabot) but kept the discovery secret for commercial advantage. There is even a reference in the Bristol archives by one merchant to "our distant fishing grounds, across the Ocean" (ie: the Grand Banks) dating back to 1454.

Going back to Acey and ap Sion, Jerseymen call people from Guernsey "donkeys". Scott certainly isn't one, and let's hope these two lads are equally not. 

For information only: The "donkeys" of Guernsey, call Jersey people "crapauds" (crapaud is French for toad).

[Sir Colby-Tit]

On 16/05/2022 at 12:40, Port Said Red said:

 stumble across other things when you least expect it.

Reminds me of my last visit to Bangkok 

[Gol]

On 17/05/2022 at 11:38, Davefevs said:

Blimey, Acey is a confident, well spoken young man.

Tim Ap Sion is pronounced as one surname - “Apshun”

Thanks Dave will listen later, don't know if this was mentioned in there, I just saw it on FLW. Sound very promising! https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/couldve-been-a-100m-sprinter-exclusive-guernsey-boss-tony-vance-on-new-bristol-city-teenage-striker/

[Davefevs]

Well, if Ben Acey was well spoken, so is the 3rd Guernsey Musketeer - Tim Ap Sion.

Unfortunately did his ACL soon after arriving, having made a really encouraging start.

Worth a listen…31 mins in.

 

[1960maaan]

Hope the lad is close to playing again soon. You are shit out of luck if when being gently let back in after illness, you do your ACL in a few minutes with no challenge.

I hope they start showing the U21 games again next season.