RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 This is tough. Spain have been really good at denying Keira Walsh time and space to operate, while their full backs, have been all over Hemp and Mead like a rash. England are usually better 2nd half though so I'm hoping to see enough improvement to eventually come out on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, phantom said: Lauren Hemp is driving me insane, every time she got the ball she checked back onto her left foot and then passed back inside to one of our centre backs. Said exactly the same in our house. I can't quite understand why we've got a natural left footer playing wide right. She checks inside every time, holds up breaks and loses possession. A very disjointed first half from England. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, The turtle said: Describing who is in possession and who is receiving a pass is my versión of hell. It's why in European commentaries they don't shut up for a second. Tell me what i can't see, guide me to what i can't appreciate on TV , not what i can see and already know. Fine if you know all the players, I don't. A bit of balance between stat overload and actual action helps. With mens football I know enough that I'd generally and quite happily have no commentary, just crowd noise. Options would be good. I'm not so familiar with the women's game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 First game i have watched, after all the Jingoistic publicity i expected to be watching a much better England side........technically Spain are so superior. England seem to have lots of spirit and fight, but not much else. I guess when you get to the last eight it is literally a different ball game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Spain much more fluent. Get russo on asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, maxjak said: First game i have watched, after all the Jingoistic publicity i expected to be watching a much better England side........technically Spain are so superior. England seem to have lots of spirit and fight, but not much else. I guess when you get to the last eight it is literally a different ball game? Utterly. Norway were supposedly a good team but on the day, we’re woeful. Just now, Leveller said: Utterly. Norway were supposedly a good team but on the day, we’re woeful. Were! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Commentary team getting desperate now....if they think that was a pen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 20, 2022 Author Admin Share Posted July 20, 2022 Did they really just say Daly plays up front for her club side, yet left back for England? That's very random Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Fine if you know all the players, I don't. A bit of balance between stat overload and actual action helps. With mens football I know enough that I'd generally and quite happily have no commentary, just crowd noise. Options would be good. I'm not so familiar with the women's game. I get what you are saying. A bit of name checking can help, that's for sure. But even with the man's game. That's a lot of countries and division to Have knowledge on. Perhaps I'm slightly bias, plus a language thing. Honestly watching any game in Spanish is infuriating, every pass is spelt out every single one at times, when they tell me a cross gone too long for the millionth time, i want to punch my screen. As for trying to do something while watching a game, forget it. The tone is full on drama, and it doesn't stop ,Passing it along the back 4 sounds like the greatest attack in history, and the ball has gone a metre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, phantom said: Did they really just say Daly plays up front for her club side, yet left back for England? That's very random That's what was said. She's scared stiff of the winger and I'd bring on Greenwood or Demi Stokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Get in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Finally one of their lumps in the middle pays off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Yes!!!! Come on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Christ - these commentators have changed their tune in the space of about 2 mins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Finally one of their lumps in the middle pays off Little bit better than that.. but absolutely undeserved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I thought everyone said their was no moaning at referees or diving? Literally been loads. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 BANG ave that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Wot a beauty!Ave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, TomF said: Pick eee out of the stingers I was going to type the same, great goal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, TomF said: Pick eee out of the stingers Too right! What a hit Georgia Stanway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Wallop!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 What a goal, like JET’s against the Gas! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 20, 2022 Author Admin Share Posted July 20, 2022 Reckon we'll score again 19 minutes ago, Packman said: I thought everyone said their was no moaning at referees or diving? Literally been loads. Pressure taking its toll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, One Team said: What a goal, like JET’s against the Gas! Nah, England are playing a proper team . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 35 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: That's what was said. She's scared stiff of the winger and I'd bring on Greenwood or Demi Stokes. Greenwood has to start the next game, if we get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, Packman said: I thought everyone said their was no moaning at referees or diving? Literally been loads. They don't call it diving. The new buzz phrase is anticipating the contact that never came. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 My 3 week old daughter is demonstrating the very definition of ‘squeaky bum time’ with 3 poos since extra time started! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Tinmans Love Child said: My 3 week old daughter is demonstrating the very definition of ‘squeaky bum time’ with 3 poos since extra time started! I did the same last weekend. My advice? Keep your newborn off the rough and the tandoori naga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Does this mean we are going to lose on penalties to Germany in the semi final ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2-1. Well done Lionesses. Brilliant game management in extra time against a high quality Spanish side. 1 minute ago, harrys said: Does this mean we are going to lose on penalties to Germany in the semi final ? No, because we play the winner of Belgium v Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Great game that, enjoyed it alot SO GOOD, SO GOOD bring it home girls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Nice one England! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 What a battle they will be cream crackered after that. For all Spains technical ability it was England who produced rhe moment of quality when it was needed. COYL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Impressive. They don’t half hit the ball cleanly, and a couple of superb flicks. Really enjoyable game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewquayRed Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Always good to see Wrighty dancing on a balcony, got the job done COME ON !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, harrys said: Does this mean we are going to lose on penalties to Germany in the semi final ? No…but we could lose to them on pens in the final… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? 1 1 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChippenhamRed Posted July 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? Have a night off. Plenty of us are able to enjoy the women’s game without this bizarre need to drag it down all the time. And, yes, when that winner hit the back of the net I really cared, and so did my son who was enjoying the game by my side. 21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erithacus Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Who would have thought that a Spanish side would turn up as cannon fodder and politely roll over? Only a fool. They were more than prepared and had a really solid gameplan that showed England up in a poor light for much of the match. Having run away with the group games we suddenly had to face a genuine team with talent and determination. They knew that the midfield pair of Walsh and Stanway were key to going forwards and they were suffocated. We didn't have anything like as much possession time and consequently found attacking difficult. The supply was cut off radically. Result: the likes of White, Hemp and Mead were left spectating for too long; Kirby didn't fare much better. And that is how you stop England. I was impressed (but not surprised) by Spain's approach - they were quick, neat and lively. Just like the men's team. In the end it was as much about effort and stamina as talent. They had all the means to go through, but they can be proud of their work tonight. They will build on this. In particular I will pick out Bonmati as the pick of a thoroughly effective midfield - she was a constant presence and controlled a lot of what happened. With the England front line not having much of a sniff, some short-comings were highlighted. White is a great finisher with a (Lineker-esque) nose for goal but is not the target (wo)man that Russo can be. The latter is more the battering ram centre forward. Hemp was widely proclaimed as the wing wizzard but had hardly any input. Mead on the opposite flank seems a little out of position. Meanwhile, the defence had a busy night. Rachel Daly (a striker for Houston) plays as left back - quite a step for Weigman to explain. However, even though her poor challenge for the Spanish goal was bad, she was not as unweildy as Greenwood when she replaced her. Millie Bright was dominant when called for; Williamson was a quiet but assured partner. I fear there will be pages of newprint in Spain about the substitutions made by the coach. They did change the flow of the play. Weigman trumped him. But the pain is in Spain tonight; they deserved more but sometimes football goes like that. So, one decent whack and England go through to the Semis. Tonight has been a real wake-up that hopefully will bring a greater focus to the camp. They might play the winner of the Germanic derby, Austria v Germany (Brentford). If the lessons are learned this Lioness side could just win it all yet. As a sporting spectacle, it must be said that the standard of play and competitiveness is higher than ever before. The women's game at international level is impressing many previously indifferent fans. Can it be that the girls are putting the nation through the mill just like the men? Who would have thought? Edited July 20, 2022 by Erithacus typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? I had a bowls match this evening and couldn’t wait to get home to watch the Lionesses. I was delighted it went to extra time. The Spaniards were pretty good I thought but their substitutions was an error my their manager whereas England’s substitutions made a significant difference - that’s what turned the game. Yeah, I do care about England doing well, not just In woman's football but any sport. Edited July 20, 2022 by Robbored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? You could say that about almost every other sport, does that mean none of them matter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 20, 2022 Author Admin Share Posted July 20, 2022 One thing that is odd for a host nation we have been moved around so many different grounds Even in the group stages a side had all their games at one ground in each group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? I think the size of the crowds at the games would indicate a fast growing level of interest. Don't know the viewing figures but imagine they are pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, TomF said: Foot like a traction engine 1 hour ago, One Team said: What a goal, like JET’s against the Gas! Said to my dad that it reminded me of Bobby Charlton’s goal v Portugal in WC66 S-F. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 54 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? Belter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: Have a night off. Plenty of us are able to enjoy the women’s game without this bizarre need to drag it down all the time. And, yes, when that winner hit the back of the net I really cared, and so did my son who was enjoying the game by my side. Good for you, all I'm saying is the media (especially BBC) are trying to hype it up to a level that matches the men's game (i.e. EVERYONE is interested). What really does it for me is when they went on about the girl being second only to Rooney's record of scoring for England ! Apples & Oranges . Edited July 20, 2022 by slartibartfast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Good for you, all I'm saying is the media (especially BBC) are trying to hype it up to a level that matches the men's game (i.e. EVERYONE is interested). What really does it for me is when they went on about the girl being second only to Rooney's record of scoring for England ! Apples & Oranges . That’s just the BBC complying with equality. I do agree with your “apples and oranges” comment tho and it applies to cricket and rugby as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Good for you, all I'm saying is the media (especially BBC) are trying to hype it up to a level that matches the men's game (i.e. EVERYONE is interested). What really does it for me is when they went on about the girl being second only to Rooney's record of scoring for England ! Apples & Oranges . Would you rather they downplayed it and reminded everyone at home that womens football isn’t as popular? Isn’t this an inferiority complex? Edited July 21, 2022 by Tinmans Love Child 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Said to my dad that it reminded me of Bobby Charlton’s goal v Portugal in WC66 S-F. One of my favourite goals.. Bobby's own description "they're letting me run here, if they let me run another 5 yards, I'm going to hit it. They did, so I did" https://youtu.be/KMogutv63NI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Good for you, all I'm saying is the media (especially BBC) are trying to hype it up to a level that matches the men's game (i.e. EVERYONE is interested). What really does it for me is when they went on about the girl being second only to Rooney's record of scoring for England ! Apples & Oranges . I bet you’re a right laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Erithacus said: Who would have thought that a Spanish side would turn up as cannon fodder and politely roll over? Only a fool. They were more than prepared and had a really solid gameplan that showed England up in a poor light for much of the match. Having run away with the group games we suddenly had to face a genuine team with talent and determination. They knew that the midfield pair of Walsh and Stanway were key to going forwards and they were suffocated. We didn't have anything like as much possession time and consequently found attacking difficult. The supply was cut off radically. Result: the likes of White, Hemp and Mead were left spectating for too long; Kirby didn't fare much better. And that is how you stop England. I was impressed (but not surprised) by Spain's approach - they were quick, neat and lively. Just like the men's team. In the end it was as much about effort and stamina as talent. They had all the means to go through, but they can be proud of their work tonight. They will build on this. In particular I will pick out Bonmati as the pick of a thoroughly effective midfield - she was a constant presence and controlled a lot of what happened. With the England front line not having much of a sniff, some short-comings were highlighted. White is a great finisher with a (Lineker-esque) nose for goal but is not the target (wo)man that Russo can be. The latter is more the battering ram centre forward. Hemp was widely proclaimed as the wing wizzard but had hardly any input. Mead on the opposite flank seems a little out of position. Meanwhile, the defence had a busy night. Rachel Daly (a striker for Houston) plays as left back - quite a step for Weigman to explain. However, even though her poor challenge for the Spanish goal was bad, she was not as unweildy as Greenwood when she replaced her. Millie Bright was dominant when called for; Williamson was a quiet but assured partner. She's been reading LJ's book "Team selections to baffle fans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 It seems to me that the substitutions for both sides changed the game, Spain after having 70% of the game and being technically superior, made the wrong ones, and England after being outplayed, suddenly showed the skill and momentum, after changing things. The Spain manager needs to have a long hard look at himself, after snatching defeat from the hands of victory? Well done England, that was a almighty display of guts to turn it around..............but personally i don'tt think they will win it. But at least they showed that they deserve to be in Europe's top four women's teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Good for you, all I'm saying is the media (especially BBC) are trying to hype it up to a level that matches the men's game (i.e. EVERYONE is interested). What really does it for me is when they went on about the girl being second only to Rooney's record of scoring for England ! Apples & Oranges . The BBC's hype is no different to something like Wimbledon, for which I would suggest public interest in is not much different, it's not often they get any decent sport to show these days! You also need to remember that not EVERYONE is interested in the men's team. You are, and subsequently most of the people you know are, but not everybody. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Good for you, all I'm saying is the media (especially BBC) are trying to hype it up to a level that matches the men's game (i.e. EVERYONE is interested). What really does it for me is when they went on about the girl being second only to Rooney's record of scoring for England ! Apples & Oranges . It does make me laugh when even the most mundane of saves by women goalkeepers are described as if a mixture of Alisson and Courtois at their finest.......women goalkeepers have most definitely improved markedly.........but still looks a weakness in women's football. IMHO. But i am certain it will continue to improve. Edited July 21, 2022 by maxjak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Erithacus said: Who would have thought that a Spanish side would turn up as cannon fodder and politely roll over? Only a fool. They were more than prepared and had a really solid gameplan that showed England up in a poor light for much of the match. Having run away with the group games we suddenly had to face a genuine team with talent and determination. They knew that the midfield pair of Walsh and Stanway were key to going forwards and they were suffocated. We didn't have anything like as much possession time and consequently found attacking difficult. The supply was cut off radically. Result: the likes of White, Hemp and Mead were left spectating for too long; Kirby didn't fare much better. And that is how you stop England. I was impressed (but not surprised) by Spain's approach - they were quick, neat and lively. Just like the men's team. In the end it was as much about effort and stamina as talent. They had all the means to go through, but they can be proud of their work tonight. They will build on this. In particular I will pick out Bonmati as the pick of a thoroughly effective midfield - she was a constant presence and controlled a lot of what happened. With the England front line not having much of a sniff, some short-comings were highlighted. White is a great finisher with a (Lineker-esque) nose for goal but is not the target (wo)man that Russo can be. The latter is more the battering ram centre forward. Hemp was widely proclaimed as the wing wizzard but had hardly any input. Mead on the opposite flank seems a little out of position. Meanwhile, the defence had a busy night. Rachel Daly (a striker for Houston) plays as left back - quite a step for Weigman to explain. However, even though her poor challenge for the Spanish goal was bad, she was not as unweildy as Greenwood when she replaced her. Millie Bright was dominant when called for; Williamson was a quiet but assured partner. I fear there will be pages of newprint in Spain about the substitutions made by the coach. They did change the flow of the play. Weigman trumped him. But the pain is in Spain tonight; they deserved more but sometimes football goes like that. So, one decent whack and England go through to the Semis. Tonight has been a real wake-up that hopefully will bring a greater focus to the camp. They might play the winner of the Germanic derby, Austria v Germany (Brentford). If the lessons are learned this Lioness side could just win it all yet. As a sporting spectacle, it must be said that the standard of play and competitiveness is higher than ever before. The women's game at international level is impressing many previously indifferent fans. Can it be that the girls are putting the nation through the mill just like the men? Who would have thought? Its a bit different. Daly doesnt play as a centre forward, she plays as a false nine. She also plays wing back. If you look at the goal England lost the ball playing out. They are not effecient playing through the first third. Players dont drop in to create options and numerical superiority. Bronze is very good on the ball but was struggling all night as what was in front of her was playing in concrete sox. Northern Ireland had some success stopping England, and another level Spain had a lot of success playing with an overload in the centre out of possession v players that were static. Spains goal came from Mead failing to come short and Spain knicking the ball. That was coming all night, its not great defending but it was a collective error, Daly was left isoloated 1v1 after England lost the ball and players didnt get back in shape. Bronze was isolated on numerous occassions by team mates not getting goal side. or tucking in.. Mead and Hemp turned over alot of possession all night, far too much. They were not that keen on defending the possession they lost. Bright was superb, and needed to be. You dont play that badly and win twice. I doubt they will be that poor again. Edited July 21, 2022 by Cowshed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 10 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? Come on, old fella! That first goal was like Whitehead swinging it over in to the mixer, Cheese getting up above the centre back - and getting a little elbow in the cb's mush to boot - and nodding it down to Tom timing his run perfect who knocks it in the old onion bag (or: Gavin, Turner, Taylor). Proper old school football. Only difference - beyond the reproductive parts - between then and now was the whiging about the elbow in the mush, but we can't have it all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy31 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, maxjak said: It does make me laugh when even the most mundane of saves by women goalkeepers are described as if a mixture of Alisson and Courtois at their finest.......women goalkeepers have most definitely improved markedly.........but still looks a weakness in women's football. IMHO. But i am certain it will continue to improve. Goal sizes are designed for male player dimensions. Females tend to be shorter and have less explosivity when it comes to jumping. That means that female keepers generally need to play closer to their line in order to avoid being caught out by a lobbed shot. This can make them look less dominant than their male equivalent and also means that there are shots that a man would reach, that a woman will not. Also: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/07/19/womens-euros-2022-goalkeeping-goals-sexism/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 21, 2022 Author Admin Share Posted July 21, 2022 11 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Are there fanzones, are the pubs packed out, are there cars driving round with England flags.................does anyone care, really ? Sorry to make you look even worse, but all the Boxpark venues were packed out as usual last night and ADDITIONAL fanzones are being sorted for Tuesdays semi final, including a 5,000 fan zone in Trafalgar Square 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Erithacus said: Who would have thought that a Spanish side would turn up as cannon fodder and politely roll over? Only a fool. They were more than prepared and had a really solid gameplan that showed England up in a poor light for much of the match. Having run away with the group games we suddenly had to face a genuine team with talent and determination. They knew that the midfield pair of Walsh and Stanway were key to going forwards and they were suffocated. We didn't have anything like as much possession time and consequently found attacking difficult. The supply was cut off radically. Result: the likes of White, Hemp and Mead were left spectating for too long; Kirby didn't fare much better. And that is how you stop England. I was impressed (but not surprised) by Spain's approach - they were quick, neat and lively. Just like the men's team. In the end it was as much about effort and stamina as talent. They had all the means to go through, but they can be proud of their work tonight. They will build on this. In particular I will pick out Bonmati as the pick of a thoroughly effective midfield - she was a constant presence and controlled a lot of what happened. With the England front line not having much of a sniff, some short-comings were highlighted. White is a great finisher with a (Lineker-esque) nose for goal but is not the target (wo)man that Russo can be. The latter is more the battering ram centre forward. Hemp was widely proclaimed as the wing wizzard but had hardly any input. Mead on the opposite flank seems a little out of position. Meanwhile, the defence had a busy night. Rachel Daly (a striker for Houston) plays as left back - quite a step for Weigman to explain. However, even though her poor challenge for the Spanish goal was bad, she was not as unweildy as Greenwood when she replaced her. Millie Bright was dominant when called for; Williamson was a quiet but assured partner. I fear there will be pages of newprint in Spain about the substitutions made by the coach. They did change the flow of the play. Weigman trumped him. But the pain is in Spain tonight; they deserved more but sometimes football goes like that. So, one decent whack and England go through to the Semis. Tonight has been a real wake-up that hopefully will bring a greater focus to the camp. They might play the winner of the Germanic derby, Austria v Germany (Brentford). If the lessons are learned this Lioness side could just win it all yet. As a sporting spectacle, it must be said that the standard of play and competitiveness is higher than ever before. The women's game at international level is impressing many previously indifferent fans. Can it be that the girls are putting the nation through the mill just like the men? Who would have thought? The Daly positioning is really interesting considering she is a forward in club football. But Serena Weigman is not the first Lionesses coach to play her at left back. I have to agree that Bonmati was the pick of an excellent Spanish midfield but I was impressed by their full backs too, Batlle on the right and, especially, Carmosa on the left. They only started to fall off once England pushed more forward and Keira Walsh found more time on the ball. I hope it was only cramp at the end because she's vital to the Lionesses style of play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, bearded_red said: I bet you’re a right laugh. I am ,actually ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Paddy31 said: Goal sizes are designed for male player dimensions. Females tend to be shorter and have less explosivity when it comes to jumping. That means that female keepers generally need to play closer to their line in order to avoid being caught out by a lobbed shot. This can make them look less dominant than their male equivalent and also means that there are shots that a man would reach, that a woman will not. Also: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/07/19/womens-euros-2022-goalkeeping-goals-sexism/ As the article points out, goal dimensions were set in the 1860s for men. What I can’t see is any reference to how much taller men are now than 160 years ago. I bet the average keeper then was closer in height to what the women are now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, phantom said: Sorry to make you look an even bigger fool, but all the box park venues were packed out as usual last night and ADDITIONAL fanzones are being sorted for Tuesdays semi final, including a 5,000 fan zone in Trafalgar Square oh, calm down love ! My point exactly, I was out having a fag when England must have scored the winner, not a peep from anyone in the area, if it had been the men's, it would have been bedlam ! I'm not knocking the woman's game or their achievements, more the forced euphoria from the media ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Robbored said: That’s just the BBC complying with equality. I do agree with your “apples and oranges” comment tho and it applies to cricket and rugby as well. Careful now RR ,you'll become an object of hate ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Would you rather they downplayed it and reminded everyone at home that womens football isn’t as popular? Isn’t this an inferiority complex? My God, you're right...........thank you Mr Freud ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 21, 2022 Author Admin Share Posted July 21, 2022 Some interesting figures on the TV audience from last night, like after Italia '90 the game needs to ensure it captures as many of these "new" supporters taking interest as possible A peak television audience of 7.6 million watched England's dramatic extra-time win against Spain in the Euro 2022 quarter-final on BBC One. It is up 3.6 million on the four million who tuned in for the Lionesses' 8-0 group-stage win against Norway. There were a further 1.5 million streams across BBC iPlayer and the BBC Sport website and app as England advanced to the semi-finals. The second quarter-final - Germany v Austria - is on BBC One on Thursday. Coverage begins at 19:30 BST on BBC One and BBC iPlayer. England's semi-final against Sweden or Belgium is on BBC One and BBC iPlayer from 19:30 BST on 26 July. The highest peak television audience for women's football in the UK is 11.7 million for England's 2019 World Cup semi-final defeat by the United States. England's peak audiences at Euro 2022 England v Austria, 6 July - 3.7 million and 750,000 streams England v Norway, 11 July - four million and 726,000 streams Northern Ireland v England, 15 July - 3.4 million and 525,000 streams TAKEN FROM: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62251265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, maxjak said: It does make me laugh when even the most mundane of saves by women goalkeepers are described as if a mixture of Alisson and Courtois at their finest.......women goalkeepers have most definitely improved markedly.........but still looks a weakness in women's football. IMHO. But i am certain it will continue to improve. Yes, still a massive weakness overall. I know I really shouldn’t compare and I’ve said before the mens and women’s games are totally different but Bentley HOLDS the winner last night, not just saves it. The goal just looked wrong regardless of the quality of the strike. However, the young Dutch keeper who got chucked in due to injury looks really impressive and unusually comes for crosses (the nearest I’ve seen that plays like a bloke) and the Austrian keeper very decent too. England’s keeper is a shot stopper and really doesn’t want to come for a high ball unless she has to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Yes, still a massive weakness overall. I know I really shouldn’t compare and I’ve said before the mens and women’s games are totally different but Bentley HOLDS the winner last night, not just saves it. The goal just looked wrong regardless of the quality of the strike. However, the young Dutch keeper who got chucked in due to injury looks really impressive and unusually comes for crosses (the nearest I’ve seen that plays like a bloke) and the Austrian keeper very decent too. England’s keeper is a shot stopper and really doesn’t want to come for a high ball unless she has to. Yes, and I remember all the great England men goalkeepers, check out England v USA {South Africa) or England v Wales [In France} for starters.. Enjoy the woman’s game as it is, last night was great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, slartibartfast said: My God, you're right...........thank you Mr Freud ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: don't be so hard on yourself . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy31 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Leveller said: As the article points out, goal dimensions were set in the 1860s for men. What I can’t see is any reference to how much taller men are now than 160 years ago. I bet the average keeper then was closer in height to what the women are now. English Football League top Division Mean goals per game in 1889 - 4.6 Mean goals per game in 2021 - 2.8 Correlation is not causation and there are a dozen other confounding factors (rule changes, increased professionalism and training, etc), so I am NOT saying that the taller keepers reduce the number of goals, but it could be a contributing factor. And you are correct about the mean height of men in 1880. It was about 167cm (5'5") , compared to a modern woman being 165cm (5'4"). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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