Sacking the manager

[Robbored]

Both Leeds and Burnley sacked their respective managers in an effort to avoid relegation from the PL but now one of them will joining us in the Championship next season.

It just shows that changing managers in a time of difficulty isn’t always the right decision and I firmly believe that had Burnley held on to Dyche that they wouldn’t  be in the precarious situation that they’re currently in. He was relegated first time around with them but bounced straight back up and there’s be no reason why he couldn’t have done the same if they’d gone down again.

The owners of both Burnley and Leeds obviously felt under immense pressure at the possibility of them losing PL status but the  in case of Leeds and Bielsa it’s more understandable with his poor command of English and if whispers are anything to go by his stubborn refusal to change tactics and style of play.

Personally I hope Leeds get relegated. 

[Monkeh]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Both Leeds and Burnley sacked their respective managers in an effort to avoid relegation from the PL but now one of them will joining us in the Championship next season.

It just shows that changing managers in a time of difficulty isn’t always the right decision and I firmly believe that had Burnley held on to Dyche that they wouldn’t  be in the precarious situation that they’re currently in. He was relegated first time around with them but bounced straight back up and there’s be no reason why he couldn’t have done the same if they’d gone down again.

The owners of both Burnley and Leeds obviously felt under immense pressure at the possibility of them losing PL status but the  in case of Leeds and Bielsa it’s more understandable with his poor command of English and if whispers are anything to go by his stubborn refusal to change tactics and style of play.

Personally I hope Leeds get relegated. 

It's been proven before thay sacking a manager mid-season only ever has a short term gain,

Obviously not all all cases but mire likely then not

[glynriley]

Absolutely, sacking a manager isn't always the answer. Look what happened to us after we sacked Gary Johnson.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by glynriley

[GrahamC]

I thought sacking Dyche was mad, but they have definitely had far better results since, so that completely demolishes this argument.

5 defeats in the last 6 games under him, they were 4 points adrift from safety then.

Now they are out of the relegation zone with 1 game left & won 3 drawn 2 & lost 3 since he went.

[The Journalist]

Don't disagree with your point, Alan, but not sure you've actually looked at what's happened here. Shock.

Burnley took four points in seven games before Sean Dyche was sacked and have taken 11 points from seven games since. They've already won as many games under Mike Jackson as they had in the five months previous under Dyche. They were going down without the change.

And Frank Lampard, who has undoubtedly overseen an upturn in Everton's results, was only appointed four weeks before Jesse Marsch at Leeds.

Still, don't let facts get in the way.

Edited May 20, 2022 by The Journalist

[And Its Smith]

12 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Both Leeds and Burnley sacked their respective managers in an effort to avoid relegation from the PL but now one of them will joining us in the Championship next season.

It just shows that changing managers in a time of difficulty isn’t always the right decision and I firmly believe that had Burnley held on to Dyche that they wouldn’t  be in the precarious situation that they’re currently in. He was relegated first time around with them but bounced straight back up and there’s be no reason why he couldn’t have done the same if they’d gone down again.

The owners of both Burnley and Leeds obviously felt under immense pressure at the possibility of them losing PL status but the  in case of Leeds and Bielsa it’s more understandable with his poor command of English and if whispers are anything to go by his stubborn refusal to change tactics and style of play.

Personally I hope Leeds get relegated. 

Crazy opinion on Dyche.  Burnley had won 4 in 30 I think when he was sacked.  Since then they have won 3 in 8 and picked up 11 points in that time. If Dyche had carried on they would be down already.  Jackson has changed the way they play and improved them drastically. It hasn’t worked out for Leeds but don’t just look at a league table and think the same applies for Burnley 

[WWred]

In theory never a full proof plan because if every team sacked their manager then 3 of them will still have failed in their bid to stay up 

[Wiltshire robin]

21 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Absolutely, sacking a manager isn't always the answer. Look what happened to us after we sacked Gary Johnson.

 

 

I think in our case at city it’s been more to do with who’s been recruited after and how they’ve been sold the club when it’s actually ran different to what they’ve been told .

[Coxy27]

4 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

We were  starting to getspanked left, right and Centre, and the Plymouth fisticuffs, didn't leave much of an option.. 

Was totally the right answer

Been a bit "whoosh'd" here I feel...

You must know how our friend RR feels about Sr. Johnson?

[Bris Red]

24 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Crazy opinion on Dyche.  Burnley had won 4 in 30 I think when he was sacked.  Since then they have won 3 in 8 and picked up 11 points in that time. If Dyche had carried on they would be down already.  Jackson has changed the way they play and improved them drastically. It hasn’t worked out for Leeds but don’t just look at a league table and think the same applies for Burnley 

Agreed. Undoubtedly Dyche had worked wonders in his spell at Burnley but things had clearly become stale and change was needed.
 

 

Edited May 20, 2022 by bris red

[Kid in the Riot]

28 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I thought sacking Dyche was mad, but they have definitely had far better results since, so that completely demolishes this argument.

5 defeats in the last 6 games under him, they were 4 points adrift from safety then.

Now they are out of the relegation zone with 1 game left & won 3 drawn 2 & lost 3 since he went.

The rumour is it was a very unhappy dressing room under Dyche, and that would make sense given their recent upturn in form. 

[Gert Mare]

I agree. Sacking managers seems to be the knee jerk action of many clubs when nerves get jittery. This is often heavily influenced by a delusional fan base who demand instant success, regardless of the situation.

I’ve seen managers sacked for having half the team on the treatment table and the new manager or ‘Messiah’ was fortunate enough to have one or two of those players fit and ready again.

It takes time for any manager to clear out the deadwood and build his own team in his own image. This takes at least 2 transfer windows and the summer break to build for a new season.

Once a manager has his own team it just requires tweaking. The problem then is that the fans get bored with the style of play, think they are better than they are and think that they need to kick on to the next level (which in reality is always a level too far).

Look at what happened to Stoke and Bolton when they got ‘bored’ with the ‘same old’? That’s just two examples.

Sacking the manager is always the quickest and easiest option, but in reality most clubs need to be sacking players, back room staff and others behind the scenes and expect no signs of improvement for at least 18 months.

Sticking with a manager when you go down might actually make it easier to come back up, especially with parachute payments and less unsteadiness of the ship.

Fans sometimes need to be grateful for what they have got and where they are, especially in the Premier League. 

Unfortunately we have followed the Italian method which is sad because it never used to be that way in English football.

[BCFCGav]

The Dyche sacking was a masterstroke - maybe an unpopular opinion but I believe it. Mike Jackson won three of his first 4 (the classic new manager bounce) and I'm pretty confident they survive now, barring final day Leeds heroics (unlikely). Then they've got a summer to bring in a new manager to shake things up, a la Crystal Palace who've looked rejuvenated and quite exciting at times under Vieira (though not on a great run currently). 

[Super]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Both Leeds and Burnley sacked their respective managers in an effort to avoid relegation from the PL but now one of them will joining us in the Championship next season.

It just shows that changing managers in a time of difficulty isn’t always the right decision and I firmly believe that had Burnley held on to Dyche that they wouldn’t  be in the precarious situation that they’re currently in. He was relegated first time around with them but bounced straight back up and there’s be no reason why he couldn’t have done the same if they’d gone down again.

The owners of both Burnley and Leeds obviously felt under immense pressure at the possibility of them losing PL status but the  in case of Leeds and Bielsa it’s more understandable with his poor command of English and if whispers are anything to go by his stubborn refusal to change tactics and style of play.

Personally I hope Leeds get relegated. 

It worked for Everton and Newcastle

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said:

We were  starting to getspanked left, right and Centre, and the Plymouth fisticuffs, didn't leave much of an option.. 

Was totally the right answer

It took the players refusing to play for GJ after they’d manhandled him out of the dressing room at Argyle that forced GJ to sack him.

City wouldn’t have a team otherwise.

[PHILINFRANCE]

59 minutes ago, Super said:

It worked for Everton and Newcastle

Eddie Howe has taken a lot of stick, on here and elsewhere in the media, but I think he has definitely proved he has got something by the impressive way he has improved Newcastle. 

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

I thought sacking Dyche was mad, but they have definitely had far better results since, so that completely demolishes this argument.

5 defeats in the last 6 games under him, they were 4 points adrift from safety then.

Now they are out of the relegation zone with 1 game left & won 3 drawn 2 & lost 3 since he went.

Burnley are still at serious risk of the drop tho despite sacking Dyche and the same applies to Leeds.

[PHILINFRANCE]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Burnley are still at serious risk of the drop tho despite sacking Dyche and the same applies to Leeds.

Conversely, either Burnley or Leeds will demonstrate that sacking their manager was the right thing to do.

[Robbored]

3 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Eddie Howe has taken a lot of stick, on here and elsewhere in the media, but I think he has definitely proved he has got something by the impressive way he has improved Newcastle. 

Absolutely right. It coincided with the departure of Ashley - something the toon army had wanted for years.A combination of both.

[GrahamC]

9 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Burnley are still at serious risk of the drop tho despite sacking Dyche and the same applies to Leeds.

So a side that had got 3 points out of a possible 18 under Dyche & then get 11 from 24 after sacking him under Jackson & you still think it was that decision which means they are in trouble?

Ok then.

[2015]

2 hours ago, glynriley said:

Absolutely, sacking a manager isn't always the answer. Look what happened to us after we sacked Gary Johnson.

I don't know about that. After the 2008 play off final, we went on a bit of a downward spiral, and the signings made (Maynard aside) were largely pretty poor. Gary contributed to our decline in the early 2010s, again not forgetting he did a fantastic job before then for us.

Also, lets not forget Dyche did only win 4 games this season out of 31 matches. I think they were going down with him in charge and yes I thought he did an excellent job for the club. If Burnley survive which I think is likely than not, then it will prove to be the right decision

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, 2015 said:

I don't know about that. After the 2008 play off final, we went on a bit of a downward spiral, and the signings made (Maynard aside) were largely pretty poor. Gary contributed to our decline in the early 2010s, again not forgetting he did a fantastic job before then for us.

 

This is such a huge myth.

We actually only signed 2 players in the summer after the playoff final, Maynard (a brilliant signing) & Gavin Williams. GJ also sold Nick Carle to help fund this.

The latter wasn’t anything special (a bit injury prone) but hardly a shocker in the vein of an Engvall, Palmer or Styvar.

We finished 10th in that season and did so again the year after, this “decline” was actually our joint 3rd highest finishes in this division since 1980, the best was of course in 2007/8, also under GJ.

The last season under him was when he lost the plot with a variety of random strikers but it is simply nonsense to claim he was largely responsible for the stuff afterwards.

[2015]

3 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

This is such a huge myth.

We actually only signed 2 players in the summer after the playoff final, Maynard (a brilliant signing) & Gavin Williams. GJ also sold Nick Carle to help fund this.

The latter wasn’t anything special (a bit injury prone) but hardly a shocker in the vein of an Engvall, Palmer or Styvar.

We finished 10th in that season and did so again the year after, this “decline” was actually our joint 3rd highest finishes in this division since 1980, the best was of course in 2007/8, also under GJ.

The last season under him was when he lost the plot with a variety of random strikers but it is simply nonsense to claim he was largely responsible for the stuff afterwards.

The decline was the fact we went from playing high tempo, passing football during the first half of 07/08, to then lumping it long from the end of 07/08 til the end of Gary's reign. Even players have alluded to this who played in that squad, it was after we signed Adebola.
He was responsible for getting in Nyatanga on a long contract who was a poor signing, failing to get the best out of natural flair/talent (David Noble and Lee Trundle). He also signed David Clarkson who I cannot believe to this day was worth £800,000. 

We were on a downward spiral, and Johnson had lost the trust of the players, he had to go and was rightfully sacked. Our downward spiral sped up massively though when Coppell walked out after 2 games, which made the end of GJ's reign look better than it actually was. It was boring

[Sir Geoff]

Hope Burnley don't rue that Weghorst miss last night. I personally think both Burnley and Leeds will lose on Sunday.

[Norn Iron]

I'm sure NP has a view on this after being sacked at a previous club.

Nige had engineered a revival and no doubt would've kept that club from relegation when he was sacked with only a few games left.

[Laner]

2 hours ago, Super said:

It worked for Everton and Newcastle

And Forest. Although quite early into the season.

[Robbored]

59 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

So a side that had got 3 points out of a possible 18 under Dyche & then get 11 from 24 after sacking him under Jackson & you still think it was that decision which means they are in trouble?

Ok then.

………..umm…….they’re still deep in the shit Graham. It could be all over come Sunday evening.

[Bristol Oil Services]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

Both Leeds and Burnley sacked their respective managers in an effort to avoid relegation from the PL but now one of them will joining us in the Championship next season.

It just shows that changing managers in a time of difficulty isn’t always the right decision and I firmly believe that had Burnley held on to Dyche that they wouldn’t  be in the precarious situation that they’re currently in. He was relegated first time around with them but bounced straight back up and there’s be no reason why he couldn’t have done the same if they’d gone down again.

The owners of both Burnley and Leeds obviously felt under immense pressure at the possibility of them losing PL status but the  in case of Leeds and Bielsa it’s more understandable with his poor command of English and if whispers are anything to go by his stubborn refusal to change tactics and style of play.

Personally I hope Leeds get relegated. 

What's the answer then? Never sack any manager, ever? Should we still have Alan Dicks as manager? Or Bob Houghton? Or Roy Hodgson??? Actually, we could've done worse than given Roy a 40 year contract, a job for life.

[Midred]

It will be interesting to see how Manure get on next season. The team, one of the most expensive in the pl have seen off a manager and a caretaker manager this season. How managers does it take to get the same set of players to perform consistently? 

[Numero Uno]

2 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I do, however, the OP was a weird false Dichotomy. I've not seen calls to sack NP for a bit, so it was a strange post to make in the first instance. 

The claim from another poster that GJ should have stayed, despite everything falling apart was also odd, to me. 

 

If whooshed, so be it, this week has been nuts anyway. 

True, at least a few weeks since a few wanted Pearson out. In all seriousness the point is that CEO’s and Owners perhaps need to be more brave and not cave into fan pressure at every poor run of results. It can be argued in defence of our Owner, and I don’t always defend him on here that’s for sure, that he is showing the bravery to allow his choice to do the job he employed him for even if it takes a bit more time than planned.

Pearson is no different to any other Manager and will be judged on results but the point many were making was allow him the time to get through the mess he inherited and THEN if nothing changes perhaps the Manager needs to change. The current transfer window is one where we and the Owner might expect to take one or two steps forward rather than constant firefighting with kids and square pegs in round holes because we are able to get a reasonable amount of the dead wood who just haven’t done it for us, like COD, out of the club.

[Tinmans Love Child]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

Both Leeds and Burnley sacked their respective managers in an effort to avoid relegation from the PL but now one of them will joining us in the Championship next season.

It just shows that changing managers in a time of difficulty isn’t always the right decision and I firmly believe that had Burnley held on to Dyche that they wouldn’t  be in the precarious situation that they’re currently in. He was relegated first time around with them but bounced straight back up and there’s be no reason why he couldn’t have done the same if they’d gone down again.

The owners of both Burnley and Leeds obviously felt under immense pressure at the possibility of them losing PL status but the  in case of Leeds and Bielsa it’s more understandable with his poor command of English and if whispers are anything to go by his stubborn refusal to change tactics and style of play.

Personally I hope Leeds get relegated. 

Since sacking Dyche they have gained 10 points, winning 3 in a row I think, that’s probably kept them in with a sniff of staying up

[PHILINFRANCE]

21 minutes ago, Robbored said:

………..umm…….they’re still deep in the shit Graham. It could be all over come Sunday evening.

Burnley are certainly still in deep trouble, although perhaps not quite so deep as they would have been were Dyche still in charge.

I fear that, had they not sacked Dyche, they would have already been relegated. 

There can be no doubt that Dyche did a wonderful job at Burnley, but, unfortunately, and for whatever reason, they were on a downward spiral when Burnley decided to dispose of his services.

[WarksRobin]

19 minutes ago, Midred said:

It will be interesting to see how Manure get on next season. The team, one of the most expensive in the pl have seen off a manager and a caretaker manager this season. How managers does it take to get the same set of players to perform consistently? 

The problems there run deeper than the coaching. They seem to have adopted a similar recruitment process to 2000’s Real Madrid, buying good players but without considering the team. Not so much galacticos, more like desperados.

[WarksRobin]

10 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Since sacking Dyche they have gained 10 points, winning 3 in a row I think, that’s probably kept them in with a sniff of staying up

I think it is more likely that Leeds get a result at Brentford than Burnley get a result against Newcastle. Anything is possible but I think Burnley will be relegated.

[Tinmans Love Child]

4 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

I think it is more likely that Leeds get a result at Brentford than Burnley get a result against Newcastle. Anything is possible but I think Burnley will be relegated.

I think both will lose but we shall see, you never know!

[Simon bristol]

3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

The rumour is it was a very unhappy dressing room under Dyche, and that would make sense given their recent upturn in form. 

Dyche did a great job there, but with selling their best striker to a rival, anyone was going to struggle with an already weak squad. His time had come otherwise they were going down anyway, hopefully they survive and leeds get relegated!

[Tinmans Love Child]

6 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

The problems there run deeper than the coaching. They seem to have adopted a similar recruitment process to 2000’s Real Madrid, buying good players but without considering the team. Not so much galacticos, more like desperados.

The new guy at Man Utd will want to bring in a similar approach to Ajax bringing through the young players etc etc which is great, but will he be given the 3 years time to make this work is the real question.  I doubt he will and they will panic and go back to big name managers and chucking money at players

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

What's the answer then? Never sack any manager, ever? Should we still have Alan Dicks as manager? Or Bob Houghton? Or Roy Hodgson??? Actually, we could've done worse than given Roy a 40 year contract, a job for life.

Perhaps we take a leaf out of The Vatican's book. There's a decent sized chimney in the South Stand that could be used for the white smoke signal.

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, Simon bristol said:

Dyche did a great job there, but with selling their best striker to a rival, anyone was going to struggle with an already weak squad. His time had come otherwise they were going down anyway, hopefully they survive and leeds get relegated!

I don't think Burnley had a choice re selling Chris Wood - all Newcastle had to do was to meet the release clause. It seemed to be a bit of an unsportsmanlike strategic move by Newcastle.

[Monkeh]

7 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

I don't think Burnley had a choice re selling Chris Wood - all Newcastle had to do was to meet the release clause. It seemed to be a bit of an unsportsmanlike strategic move by Newcastle.

Not unsportmanlike to be honest, it was in his contract so he met the contract conditions

[Sleepy1968]

3 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Not unsportmanlike to be honest, it was in his contract so he met the contract conditions

Oh, it was above board. No problem with that in itself. But I thought (and I haven't looked closely) that NUFC's main driver behind the move was to cripple Burnley's attack and assist their relegation - if it was a genuine move for a player they wanted then I withdraw my accusation.

[Tinmans Love Child]

20 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Oh, it was above board. No problem with that in itself. But I thought (and I haven't looked closely) that NUFC's main driver behind the move was to cripple Burnley's attack and assist their relegation - if it was a genuine move for a player they wanted then I withdraw my accusation.

Remember that Matty Taylor bloke, didn’t somebody sign him to stop his previous club with their promotion charge?

Edited May 20, 2022 by Tinmans Love Child

[Sleepy1968]

1 minute ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Remember that Marty Taylor bloke, didn’t somebody sign him to stop his previous club with their promotion charge?

Funnily enough I didn't feel the need to bring that up

[22A]

8 hours ago, glynriley said:

Absolutely, sacking a manager isn't always the answer. Look what happened to us after we sacked Gary Johnson.

 

 

and further back; Alan Dicks.

September 1980 Alan was sacked after a poor start in Div 2. 20 months later we were in Div 4.

Conversely, sacking Fred Ford in mid season prevented relegation.

[Curr Avon]

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[Curr Avon]

6 hours ago, Robbored said:

It took the players refusing to play for GJ after they’d manhandled him out of the dressing room at Argyle that forced GJ to sack him.

City wouldn’t have a team otherwise.

So, GJ sacked GJ?

This is harder to follow than the plot of a Christopher Nolan film.

[Curr Avon]

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[Curr Avon]

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[Fuber]

9 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

I do, however, the OP was a weird false Dichotomy. I've not seen calls to sack NP for a bit, so it was a strange post to make in the first instance. 

The claim from another poster that GJ should have stayed, despite everything falling apart was also odd, to me. 

 

If whooshed, so be it, this week has been nuts anyway. 

That's because there's no losses in the off season for the cretins to dogpile on.

[WarksRobin]

On 20/05/2022 at 13:28, WarksRobin said:

I think it is more likely that Leeds get a result at Brentford than Burnley get a result against Newcastle. Anything is possible but I think Burnley will be relegated.

Called it right for once

[Dottie]

On 20/05/2022 at 09:36, GrahamC said:

I thought sacking Dyche was mad, but they have definitely had far better results since, so that completely demolishes this argument.

5 defeats in the last 6 games under him, they were 4 points adrift from safety then.

Now they are out of the relegation zone with 1 game left & won 3 drawn 2 & lost 3 since he went.

Ooops!

[One Team]

Sean Dyche must be having a little smile to himself right now. What Burnley need now is an experienced manager at Championship level to get them back in the Premier League….. Oh!

[Shaun Taylor]

16 minutes ago, One Team said:

Sean Dyche must be having a little smile to himself right now. What Burnley need now is an experienced manager at Championship level to get them back in the Premier League….. Oh!

I don't see them doing a Fulham & Norwich and bouncing straight back

[Davefevs]

 

[AppyDAZE]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

 

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[Davefevs]

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[Davefevs]

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[The Original OTIB]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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[Robbored]

So Burnley were wrong to sack Dyche………….

I firmly believe has they stuck by him it would have been Leeds that’ll be playing us next season.

[Lrrr]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

So Burnley were wrong to sack Dyche………….

I firmly believe has they stuck by him it would have been Leeds that’ll be playing us next season.

There was no right or wrong call as you can’t know how Dyche would have done, he could have had Burnley finish bottom for all anyone knows. There’s only decisions and making the best out of the decisions you make. 

[MarcusX]

15 minutes ago, Robbored said:

So Burnley were wrong to sack Dyche………….

I firmly believe has they stuck by him it would have been Leeds that’ll be playing us next season.

Despite everyone pointing out the clear upturn in form after his sacking? 
It’s just as likely if not more that they’d have already been buried before today’s games had he stayed and continued his form.

Similarly you could say Leeds were right to sack Bielsa?

[Robbored]

23 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Despite everyone pointing out the clear upturn in form after his sacking? 
It’s just as likely if not more that they’d have already been buried before today’s games had he stayed and continued his form.

That made no difference - they’ll be playing at AG next season.

[MarcusX]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That made no difference - they’ll be playing at AG next season.

So what’s your point? You identified two teams who sacked their manager, one stayed up at the expense of the other so does sacking work or not?

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

So what’s your point? You identified two teams who sacked their manager, one stayed up at the expense of the other so does sacking work or not?

My point is that sacking a manager is the same as appointing one - it’s a gamble. Leeds got lucky and Burnley didn’t.

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, Dottie said:

Ooops!

So on that basis sacking Bielsa was right, then?

Burnley improved under Jackson from the latter Dyche games, but not by enough.

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

My point is that sacking a manager is the same as appointing one - it’s a gamble. Leeds got lucky and Burnley didn’t.

So if you sack a manager it might or might not help? Insightful

[Robbored]

5 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

So if you sack a manager it might or might not help? Insightful

That’s right - I’m surprised that you didn’t realise that………..

How many times have we seen it happen? Appointing or sacking any manger is always a risk

[TV Tom]

11 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s right - I’m surprised that you didn’t realise that………..

How many times have we seen it happen? Appointing or sacking any manger is always a risk

Sacking a manager means you might stay up or you might go down, all clear then

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, harrys said:

Sacking a manager means you might stay up or you might go down, all clear then

Yep……glad you understand that sacking or appointing any manger is always a gamble. It worked out for Leeds but not for Burnley.

[MarcusX]

34 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s right - I’m surprised that you didn’t realise that………..

How many times have we seen it happen? Appointing or sacking any manger is always a risk

I think everyone realises it might work or it might not… hardly rocket science.