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[Magicdaps]

@Davefevs ?

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/job-vacancy-mens-lead-performance-analyst/

[Shelton’s Love Gravy]

2 minutes ago, Magicdaps said:

@Davefevs ?

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/job-vacancy-mens-lead-performance-analyst/

Yes, do it Dave!

[Davefevs]

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Davefevs

[ralphindevon]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game. 

I think the transfer fee from OTIB would be a stumbling block, unless they loaned you back to us every Sunday to explain where we had gone wrong or right the day before.

[ralphindevon]

In all seriousness I wonder how many points a really good analyst could claim was down to them over a season? As many as say Kasey Palmer? If so you can have his wage. 

[chinapig]

7 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I think the transfer fee from OTIB would be a stumbling block, unless they loaned you back to us every Sunday to explain where we had gone wrong or right the day before.

Don't forget that Dave would be amortised though.

[RUSSEL85]

7 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

In all seriousness I wonder how many points a really good analyst could claim was down to them over a season? As many as say Kasey Palmer? If so you can have his wage. 

I suppose if it was as much as getting the team one place higher in league table the salary is covered and more. Not easy to review though is it.

[NcnsBcfc]

3 hours ago, Magicdaps said:

@Davefevs ?

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/job-vacancy-mens-lead-performance-analyst/

Salary - "Competitive depending on experience".

I.e we hope to get someone as cheaply as possible who doesn't understand the market rate pay wise.

Standby for someone who's just finished their degree or masters; and in need of any job to pay off those loans.

[IAmNick]

25 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

Crazy really. That's barely more than we pay graduates at my software consultancy and they want "Extensive experience of professional football and performance analysis in a similar role".

If I were at AG getting the best I could in these positions would be one of my top priorities.

Do these things count against FFP? Either way it's dwarfed even by a novice player wage and arguably could have far more impact.

Edited May 25, 2022 by IAmNick

[chinapig]

13 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Crazy really. That's barely more than we pay graduates at my software consultancy and they want "Extensive experience of professional football and performance analysis in a similar role".

If I were at AG getting the best I could in these positions would be one of my top priorities.

Do these things count against FFP? Either way it's dwarfed even by a novice player wage and arguably could have far more impact.

It does suggest the club doesn't take the role very seriously, which I find depressing.

Alternatively, Championship clubs in general may be under valuing the job perhaps.

[ralphindevon]

26 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Don't forget that Dave would be amortised though.

I had to Google the meaning of that word, I’d imagine it’s a word the Lansdowns are familiar with.

[Red Skin]

4 hours ago, Shelton’s Love Gravy said:

Yes, do it Dave!

Maybe Pay As You Play given his injury record.

[Davefevs]

57 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Crazy really. That's barely more than we pay graduates at my software consultancy and they want "Extensive experience of professional football and performance analysis in a similar role".

If I were at AG getting the best I could in these positions would be one of my top priorities.

Do these things count against FFP? Either way it's dwarfed even by a novice player wage and arguably could have far more impact.

Yes. All football employees wages count towards FFP. 

[Lrrr]

47 minutes ago, chinapig said:

It does suggest the club doesn't take the role very seriously, which I find depressing.

Alternatively, Championship clubs in general may be under valuing the job perhaps.

Football in general just under pays given the amount of money involved

[chinapig]

58 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I had to Google the meaning of that word, I’d imagine it’s a word the Lansdowns are familiar with.

They certainly are. Though the meaning of value for money seems to have escaped them when Ashton was running the show.

[redysteadygo]

1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Salary - "Competitive depending on experience".

I.e we hope to get someone as cheaply as possible who doesn't understand the market rate pay wise.

Standby for someone who's just finished their degree or masters; and in need of any job to pay off those loans.

With the salary being banded about I don't think you would earn enough to need to start repaying fees.

[Lanterne Rouge]

As Alan Hansen once (probably) said: You don`t win anything with spreadsheets..............................................

[One Team]

Can’t have @Davefevs doing that bound to get injured even in that role and then that’s the forum stats screwed! 

[B-Rizzle]

Find it mad how poorly paid not playing staff wages are in elite football/sport. Bristol Sport big offenders with that from my understanding. Sort of doesn’t add up with the ‘we want good people in our business’ jargon they keep spouting.

[BigTone]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

For that kind of money I'd rather stay in bed 

[CliftonCliff]

8 minutes ago, BigTone said:

For that kind of money I'd rather stay in bed 

Maybe. Depends who with...

[reddoh]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

Mercenary 

[IAmNick]

2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

As Alan Hansen once (probably) said: You don`t win anything with spreadsheets..............................................

Just like an army moves on its stomach, a football team moves on its spreadsheets!

Edited May 25, 2022 by IAmNick

[chinapig]

2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Just like an army moves on its stomach, a football team moves on its spreadsheets!

How can they expect to Excel otherwise?

[WarksRobin]

25 minutes ago, chinapig said:

How can they expect to Excel otherwise?

Maybe it is just a Numbers game

[Lrrr]

1 hour ago, WarksRobin said:

Maybe it is just a Numbers game

His reports would last for Pages 

[underhanded]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

Scandalous wage considering their role and the pay of their fellow colleagues. I used to work with students who'd intern at prem and efl clubs (including City) who were paid nothing for a whole season of interning. Lead performance analysts would get about 25k average at championship level, less at lg1 and 2 level. I knew one guy who'd been a performance analyst at Peterborough + left the game and retrained as a heating engineer because he couldn't support hsi family on the wage he was being offered. 

[SBB]

3 minutes ago, underhanded said:

Scandalous wage considering their role and the pay of their fellow colleagues. I used to work with students who'd intern at prem and efl clubs (including City) who were paid nothing for a whole season of interning. Lead performance analysts would get about 25k average at championship level, less at lg1 and 2 level. I knew one guy who'd been a performance analyst at Peterborough + left the game and retrained as a heating engineer because he couldn't support hsi family on the wage he was being offered. 

Maybe teams would be more generous with their levels of pay if it didn’t go towards FFP? 

[Lew-T]

13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

Really?

You’re better off laying bricks.

[underhanded]

To add to the above - A very good friend of mine has been involved in GK coaching since he was 18, so last 13-14 years. He worked part time for a championship-prem yo-yo club for years (whilst working full time as a teacher) - they'd regularly offer him a full time salary of 22-23k, which he simply couldn't afford to commit to. He's now full time at a lg1 club for around 28k, which is just about enough considering he's just had a kid. He's their lead academy coach, writes the whole programme, deals with strategy - you'd never get any sort of leadership role paying that at any other organisation I can think of.

Ive always thought the pay imbalance at football clubs should get more press attention than it does, not to mention the absolute scandal of unpaid placements within the football industry

Edited May 26, 2022 by underhanded
Typi

[Port Said Red]

@Davefevs clearly enjoys his sideline, I would always be wary about turning something you love into your daily grind though.

[Davefevs]

47 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

@Davefevs clearly enjoys his sideline, I would always be wary about turning something you love into your daily grind though.

Very, very true.  

[Sturny]

1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

@Davefevs clearly enjoys his sideline, I would always be wary about turning something you love into your daily grind though.

Like setting your favourite song as your alarm clock thinking you'll wake up happier, you'll end up hating that song.. 

[SecretSam]

17 hours ago, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

Hmmmm...less than a top player at our club is paid in a week? I'd suggest that this is a grad starting salary - so I'd suggest that should be doubled, at least. 

[SecretSam]

I've just had a look at the JD, it mentions Hudl and Tableau, both of which we use at my company - quite specialist. It's a key role and would require not only excellent analytical skills, but PM and comms skills as well.

You'd be pitching at a senior level and would need to have some gravitas behind you. Plus a Masters, etc. 

Those sorts of skills are highly desirable in the workforce, and highly portable - I work in healthcare and we have people who do similar things.

I'm agreeing with me...it's >£25k compared with the wider market for that sort of person.

[Red-Robbo]

2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

 I would always be wary about turning something you love into your daily grind though.

 

A porn actress once told me this. 

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

I've just had a look at the JD, it mentions Hudl and Tableau, both of which we use at my company - quite specialist. It's a key role and would require not only excellent analytical skills, but PM and comms skills as well.

You'd be pitching at a senior level and would need to have some gravitas behind you. Plus a Masters, etc. 

Those sorts of skills are highly desirable in the workforce, and highly portable - I work in healthcare and we have people who do similar things.

I'm agreeing with me...it's >£25k compared with the wider market for that sort of person.

I recall when Luke Williams left they advertised a Academy Manager role for £35k.  Might not have been Luke’s role itself, but football doesn’t pay that well outside the first team.

[Loco Rojo]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I recall when Luke Williams left they advertised a Academy Manager role for £35k.  Might not have been Luke’s role itself, but football doesn’t pay that well outside the first team.

Uh, don't forget Dave, you might also be given a City T-shirt with your initials on it. Well worth the gap in pay!

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Uh, don't forget Dave, you might also be given a City T-shirt with your initials on it. Well worth the gap in pay!

They offered a conical shaped hat with D on it….sounded encouraging

[Sturny]

10 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Really?

You’re better off laying bricks.

Couldn't tell if you were joking but thought i'd look at their salaries anyways, and fair play. Decent wedge 

 

[Lew-T]

2 hours ago, Sturny said:

Couldn't tell if you were joking but thought i'd look at their salaries anyways, and fair play. Decent wedge 

 

Like any trade really. If you’re self employed, decent and reliable, you can do very well for yourself.

[Murraysrightplum]

On 25/05/2022 at 17:27, chinapig said:

Don't forget that Dave would be amortised though.

Statue outside the ground?

[SecretSam]

20 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I recall when Luke Williams left they advertised a Academy Manager role for £35k.  Might not have been Luke’s role itself, but football doesn’t pay that well outside the first team.

Crazy. Pay peanuts, etc...

[Lanterne Rouge]

On 26/05/2022 at 11:32, Loco Rojo said:

Uh, don't forget Dave, you might also be given a City T-shirt with your initials on it. Well worth the gap in pay!

DF? Our new director of football?

[Tookster]

On 25/05/2022 at 17:09, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

https://www.watfordfc.com/news/careers-first-team-data-analyst-internship

Watford advertise full time unpaid roles!  Should not be allowed - effectively modern day slavery.

On 25/05/2022 at 17:09, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

https://www.watfordfc.com/news/careers-first-team-data-analyst-internship

Watford advertise full time unpaid roles!  Should not be allowed - effectively modern day slavery.

On 25/05/2022 at 17:09, Davefevs said:

What do your reckon salary will be?

My guess £20-24k

Its a young man’s game.

Edit. It’s the Lead role, so maybe £30k

Still a young man’s game. 

https://www.watfordfc.com/news/careers-first-team-data-analyst-internship

Watford advertise full time unpaid roles!  Should not be allowed - effectively modern day slavery.

[Tookster]

Bah - guessing that by saying it 3 times, you get my point lol

[22A]

On 26/05/2022 at 17:28, Sturny said:

Couldn't tell if you were joking but thought i'd look at their salaries anyways, and fair play. Decent wedge 

 

In 1986 the going rate for a brickie was £100 for every thousand bricks or 120 brieze blocks. 1988 it rose to £120.

[cidered abroad]

On 26/05/2022 at 09:32, Davefevs said:

Very, very true.  

When your hobby becomes your job, it ceases to be fun and becomes a grind.

@Davefevs

[The Bard]

On 26/05/2022 at 11:18, Davefevs said:

I recall when Luke Williams left they advertised a Academy Manager role for £35k.  Might not have been Luke’s role itself, but football doesn’t pay that well outside the first team.

Lauren Smith's job was advertised as £30 to £40k. You had to have all the UEFA qualifications too.

[Hamdon Mart]

The trouble is though, clubs that advertise positions with what is perceived to be a poor salary will probably find somebody that WILL do the job for that salary & therein lies the problem. 

Folks circumstances are different and some will work for it if they have a few quid in the bank as a buffer. Some graduate type peeps will do it for the experience and a springboard into a different / better paid job elsewhere in the industry. If I was qualified enough to do this for £20-24k, I would possibly consider it. However as someone who has started working in football relatively recently (and in my mid fifties), I'm unlikely to be considered for the role.

[eardun]

Talking of data analysis, this article today telling the story one of the first football analysts is interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61648608

[chinapig]

50 minutes ago, eardun said:

Talking of data analysis, this article today telling the story one of the first football analysts is interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61648608

Thanks, yes it is. Reep does indeed tend to be misinterpreted and didn't get the credit he deserved.

If anything it's a surprise analytics didn't become fully embedded in the English game until relatively recently.