Palmer signs for Coventry

[Kid in the Riot]

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The story was he was on £20k p.w. with Ipswich contributing half.  When his contract was up he still wanted his £20k, hence he went to QPR.

£12k pw. Ipswich did not pay well in this division, don't forget. Adam Webster was only on £4.5k per week when we signed him. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

52 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

That was a weird one, wasn't it, as didn't Paul Anderson go as part of the "swap-deal" for JET? 

I liked Paul Anderson - another player that never got a fair crack at City.

[CyderInACan]

1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

I liked Paul Anderson - another player that never got a fair crack at City.

You can't really argue that the deal didn't work for us though, eh! 

[Monkeh]

57 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

Has moving Palmer on delayed further signings. Did we need the savings on his wages before we could sign further  targets. 

No,

Transfers aren't done 1 at a time,

Remember the squad isn't back for pre season

The transfer window is technically still closed

Players are still technically contracted till the end of this month

[Monkeh]

56 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

I thought torps got knocked out at grimsby.... 

That's it, wasn't it his debut and against future city centre back mark lever,

It's a long long time ago so my memory is tricking me,

I do remember him always getting abuse though

[Selred]

1 hour ago, Redrascal2 said:

Has moving Palmer on delayed further signings. Did we need the savings on his wages before we could sign further  targets. 

It's still really early in the window, so I doubt it's delayed much.

Also this is always the case of clubs, it's a bit like buying a house. Some clubs would want other players off their books first, some clubs would want to line up deals before they let players go etc. Lots of chains.

[Jerseybean]

So no fee but a saving of circa £1 m on salary according to this: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/coventry-city-bristol-city-chelsea-7157494

 

[The Bard]

That's excellent.  Wages saved.  Fee a write off but that's been the reality since about 5 seconds after he signed his contract with us...

[steviestevieneville]

4 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

If there is one position that players can get away with it then it’s probably attacking midfield. I’m the first to say that players are trying more than some might think but there are also players who certainly don’t put in the effort.  I don’t think it’s similar to HNM not scoring at all. That’s not his job.  When someone runs past Palmer and he gives up then I’m not going to ignore it just because he’s sometimes good at passing 

This was my argument with you before. Palmer is positionally/tactically poor defensively . When you say he gives up If a player runs past , it’s simply not true. Many a time he’s chased  back to put a tackle in . Trouble with him is his defensive attributes are not good enough. I’ve always had the stance with him that he’s still playing academy football in his head or 5 a side . He needs to change his mentally in that respect yes . But he’s not lazy . Best for all parties when he moves on though 

[And Its Smith]

11 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

This was my argument with you before. Palmer is positionally/tactically poor defensively . When you say he gives up If a player runs past , it’s simply not true. Many a time he’s chased  back to put a tackle in . Trouble with him is his defensive attributes are not good enough. I’ve always had the stance with him that he’s still playing academy football in his head or 5 a side . He needs to change his mentally in that respect yes . But he’s not lazy . Best for all parties when he moves on though 

I’ve seen him give up a fair few times. He has a couple of games where he’s on it but can’t sustain the determination over a period of games. That’s how I see it anyway but appreciate we disagree! Certainly agree it’s best he moves on. 

[TonyTonyTony]

Ill carry him to Coventry. Probably worst signing for us ever, considering the fee, the wages, the performances, and the terrible song

[DaveF]

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Ill carry him to Coventry. Probably worst signing for us ever, considering the fee, the wages, the performances, and the terrible song

Feels a bit harsh, he has contributed a bit.

13 goals / assists in 56 appearances in league and Cup isn't awful considering a lot of them are subs.

Definitely not a good signing but our worst ever should surely be reserved for players who haven't contributed anything at all.

[Sheltons Army]

7 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Feels a bit harsh, he has contributed a bit.

13 goals / assists in 56 appearances in league and Cup isn't awful considering a lot of them are subs.

Definitely not a good signing but our worst ever should surely be reserved for players who haven't contributed anything at all.

At somewhere around £600k a goal or assist - Id say pretty disastrous 

[TonyTonyTony]

8 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Feels a bit harsh, he has contributed a bit.

13 goals / assists in 56 appearances in league and Cup isn't awful considering a lot of them are subs.

Definitely not a good signing but our worst ever should surely be reserved for players who haven't contributed anything at all.

Cost the club 6 million quid (transfer fee+ wages) over 3 year. That's half a million quid goal and assist.

Shocking signing, and you can't even say he wasn't given a chance. He had plenty of opportunities as you rightly point out. He must pinch himself everyday he is earning that money. 

[samo II]

He’s probably the definitive late Ashton era signing - lots of promise/potential that only flashed previously, bought for a decent sum with the expectation he’d shine for us, ultimately move on and play his best football elsewhere, but make us back the money spent and more in the process, enabling us to rinse-&-repeat.

Problem is (and as it was in this case), if that ‘process’ doesn’t pay off, we stuck with an ‘asset’ that contributes little but costs a lot.

Sure he’ll do fine elsewhere but absolute failure for us, sadly.

[Selred]

1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said:

At somewhere around £600k a goal or assist - Id say pretty disastrous 

Surely better than Engvall? £2m and did he even have an assist of goal?

He was £500k per game!

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, Selred said:

Surely better than Engvall? £2m and did he even have an assist of goal?

He was £500k per game!

Engvall was a terrible signing but was on far lower wages & was off the wage bill much quicker. He spent a fair bit of his spell with us on loan elsewhere, too.

We also got £250k back for him, when you take his wages & fee into account Palmer is in another league completely with regards to cost.

[Coxy27]

"the Robins have been unable to get the best out of one of the most talented playmakers outside of the Premier League."

Bristol Post seems to rate him! 

[TonyTonyTony]

11 minutes ago, Coxy27 said:

"the Robins have been unable to get the best out of one of the most talented playmakers outside of the Premier League."

Bristol Post seems to rate him! 

Bristol post is shite. Huddersfield, Derby, Swansea, Blackburn and City have had him and he has failed everywhere. Most talented playmaker my arse.

KP is a wet dream player. Just because he can hit a slide rule pass every once in a while, every one gets erect. Hitting one or two hero passes a season is nowhere near enough. Best of luck to him at Coventry, but it'll probably be the same story. Nice work if you can get it i suppose

Edited June 7, 2022 by TonyTonyTony

[NcnsBcfc]

12 minutes ago, samo II said:

He’s probably the definitive late Ashton era signing - lots of promise/potential that only flashed previously, bought for a decent sum with the expectation he’d shine for us, ultimately move on and play his best football elsewhere, but make us back the money spent and more in the process, enabling us to rinse-&-repeat.

Problem is (and as it was in this case), if that ‘process’ doesn’t pay off, we stuck with an ‘asset’ that contributes little but costs a lot.

Sure he’ll do fine elsewhere but absolute failure for us, sadly.

Maybe the fact that Huddersfield, Blackburn & Derby all chose not to take up the option when he was on loan with them should have sent alarm bells ringing.

For me though, it's the loan spell with us prior to his permanent transfer that is inexcusable. He was poor in the main, and was left out of the side at the end. How we thought we could polish him up to be a diamond is beyond me.

Good luck to Coventry with him. There is undoubted talent there, however my gut feeling is he's another Liam Walsh on the horizon for them.

[The Coach]

The signing also didn't make sense as we brought in Smozdics earlier in the summer 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

KPhas always been a negative for me but perhaps we shouldn't keep going in this vein. He hasn't signed for Coventry yet and they might wake up before the deal is done. 

[Taz]

18 minutes ago, The Coach said:

The signing also didn't make sense as we brought in Smozdics earlier in the summer 

Who arguably showed more promise in the short time he was here. That's one transfer out that I do wish we would have stuck with a bit longer, could have been extremely useful in the past year or so. Not saying he would have gone on to be the next multi million pound transfer, but could have been a decent player for us.

[NcnsBcfc]

6 minutes ago, Taz said:

Who arguably showed more promise in the short time he was here. That's one transfer out that I do wish we would have stuck with a bit longer, could have been extremely useful in the past year or so. Not saying he would have gone on to be the next multi million pound transfer, but could have been a decent player for us.

Certainly strikes me with his work rate, that he could have been a Pearson type player. Didn't have his finest game against us at AG in April though.

[Arkateee]

Touch wood that everything goes through well for Kasey palmer, and the medical doesn’t hold the move back. Too much of luxury player for me, although technically very talented, and unfortunately we’ve never managed to find a system that suits his talents, I wish him all the best for the future. 

[DaveF]

32 minutes ago, The Coach said:

The signing also didn't make sense as we brought in Smozdics earlier in the summer 

And neither of them ending up getting much game time. A stroke of genius.

[Sturny]

I don't think there's any hotair around Palmer and us. Just not a player we need. I think NP like every player to contribute to attack and defence when needed and that's just not KP's style. I find he just need to focus on the attack and right pass. 

For how long he's not been in our plans it's easy to assume something negative about the situation.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Sturny

[Wrongagain]

20 hours ago, petehinton said:

Based on….?

Watching him on the field - great skill on the ball, pity almost every time he tried to show off he lost the ball!

[Roger Red Hat]

18 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Whatever the end result is with Palmer, from my perspective; he will go down as the worst signing ever in financial terms since I started supporting the club (1978).

His lack of end product on the pitch just exemplifies what a truly awful deal it was.

Even before his permanent signing, we must have been paying his wages, and a loan fee to Chelsea.

By the end of his loan he wasn't even in the first team reckoning. Absolute madness to then buy him, and put him on those wages.

That crazy summer of 2019, just keeps coming back to bite us financially.

 

 

I raise you Tony Dinning!

[Supersonic Robin]

30 minutes ago, Coxy27 said:

"the Robins have been unable to get the best out of one of the most talented playmakers outside of the Premier League."

Bristol Post seems to rate him! 

22 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Bristol post is shite. Huddersfield, Derby, Swansea, Blackburn and City have had him and he has failed everywhere. Most talented playmaker my arse.

KP is a wet dream player. Just because he can hit a slide rule pass every once in a while, every one gets erect. Hitting one or two hero passes a season is nowhere near enough. Best of luck to him at Coventry, but it'll probably be the same story. Nice work if you can get it i suppose

Agree with your general sentiment on this, Tony. Players like Palmer benefit from a huge amount of praise which they don't really deserve IMO. I have no idea how someone can look at Palmer's last half a decade of football and conclude that he's "one of the most talented playmakers outside of the Premier League". The aura around being labelled a "luxury player" seems to act as an insurance policy for some players.

What really irks me about it is that it seems so unfair on many other players who are much more deserving of praise. Take Weimann, for example, who received very little recognition prior to this season. Or Chris Martin, a player who took a battering from our fanbase at times this season, but was effective, hard working, and contributed a lot. Seeing a player like Palmer receive such generous reviews feels like a real insult to these players who have done far more to deserve recognition.

[Son of Fred]

1 hour ago, The Coach said:

The signing also didn't make sense as we brought in Smozdics earlier in the summer 

Come on,,keep up 

Clubs in the bag!

[Nugget]

Tended to have a bit of a rash challenge in him too

[Malago]

Is there a shred of evidence that Coventry are interested in Palmer, or is this a clutching at straws thread?

[chinapig]

3 minutes ago, Malago said:

Is there a shred of evidence that Coventry are interested in Palmer, or is this a clutching at straws thread?

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/coventry-city-bristol-city-chelsea-7157494

[Davefevs]

Sorry catching up…

8 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

I didn’t say that they had to bomb back.  
 

Palmer can do it in bursts of one game here and there but can never put a run of games together. That’s why he doesn’t get picked.  It’s why he is about to join his 7th club at the age of 25.  It is why he has never appeared in more than 25 league games in a season.  
 

You can make as many excuses as you want but ultimately he has failed to impress many managers in the game.  Good luck to him at Coventry though, I hope he refocuses and can put effort in over a run of games 

“failed to impress” is very different to “lazy” though.  Not being a good “presser” is different to “lazy” also.

He was committed in the tackle unlike some other players who shirked challenges.

I think @Sheltons Armymight be closer to the mark in terms of his desire to improve himself, or lack of it.  Maybe the penny might be about to drop.

7 hours ago, Taz said:

I do wonder if there was some sort of "gentleman's agreement" where we agreed to take all 3 on loan, and agreed to buy them at the end of the season. With JD and TK they were announced fairly early on, and most agreed were great signings at the time. With KP the opinion on him was more split.

LJ said he wanted him for a full pre-season, that didn't happen. KP was announced quite late into the pre-season, and hasn't really played that much when compared to JD and TK. I wonder if most of that pre-season had Ashton grovelling at Chelsea to not take on Palmer, however if/when they threatened to stop all future deals between the clubs, he decided to go through with it regardless.

Of course I have no idea if any of the above happened, but the Palmer transfer has always baffled me because it goes against what LJ was saying/wanting at the time.

I don't dislike Palmer, he has just never suited our style of play. It's a strange transfer.

I honestly don’t believe there was any agreement.  It was out in the open we had Dasilva option, which we took up, Kalas followed shortly after….and then a big gap to Palmer.

7 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

£12k pw. Ipswich did not pay well in this division, don't forget. Adam Webster was only on £4.5k per week when we signed him. 

Ta for confirming.  Out of interest was the half n half bit near the truth?

5 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

So no fee but a saving of circa £1 m on salary according to this: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/coventry-city-bristol-city-chelsea-7157494

 

If that is true, it’s nice and clean, shows KP is happy to take a paycut this season rather than sit around, or demand we top his Cov salary up for a season.  Sounds like he’s had good advice or decided himself his career is going nowhere unless he compromises.

So that saves £1m and cuts the deficit towards the P&S £39m amount.  That’s a good start.  Not perfect, but better than my worst fears.

4 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

This was my argument with you before. Palmer is positionally/tactically poor defensively . When you say he gives up If a player runs past , it’s simply not true. Many a time he’s chased  back to put a tackle in . Trouble with him is his defensive attributes are not good enough. I’ve always had the stance with him that he’s still playing academy football in his head or 5 a side . He needs to change his mentally in that respect yes . But he’s not lazy . Best for all parties when he moves on though 

4 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

I’ve seen him give up a fair few times. He has a couple of games where he’s on it but can’t sustain the determination over a period of games. That’s how I see it anyway but appreciate we disagree! Certainly agree it’s best he moves on. 

And I’ve seen Alex Scott give up chasing back, Andi Weimann too (even though he’s always labelled as runs around a lot).

Re “can’t sustain the determination over a period of games” playing Devil’s advocate, when has he had to chance to show that?

19/20 when playing with Afobe / Weimann making runs in a 3412 and Palmer playing well, he then is sub, starts, sub, etc, etc…losing momentum.

in 20/21 when returning from Swansea, he starts a few, then benched…gets back in in the lead-up to covid, scores a couple, then doesn’t start on the resumption.

His best form has come from starting 3 or 4 games, but then never really given the chance to build upon that.  Whose fault is that?  The honest answer is that neither of us know.

 

[And Its Smith]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Sorry catching up…

“failed to impress” is very different to “lazy” though.  Not being a good “presser” is different to “lazy” also.

He was committed in the tackle unlike some other players who shirked challenges.

I think @Sheltons Armymight be closer to the mark in terms of his desire to improve himself, or lack of it.  Maybe the penny might be about to drop.

I honestly don’t believe there was any agreement.  It was out in the open we had Dasilva option, which we took up, Kalas followed shortly after….and then a big gap to Palmer.

Ta for confirming.  Out of interest was the half n half bit near the truth?

If that is true, it’s nice and clean, shows KP is happy to take a paycut this season rather than sit around, or demand we top his Cov salary up for a season.  Sounds like he’s had good advice or decided himself his career is going nowhere unless he compromises.

So that saves £1m and cuts the deficit towards the P&S £39m amount.  That’s a good start.  Not perfect, but better than my worst fears.

And I’ve seen Alex Scott give up chasing back, Andi Weimann too (even though he’s always labelled as runs around a lot).

Re “can’t sustain the determination over a period of games” playing Devil’s advocate, when has he had to chance to show that?

19/20 when playing with Afobe / Weimann making runs in a 3412 and Palmer playing well, he then is sub, starts, sub, etc, etc…losing momentum.

in 20/21 when returning from Swansea, he starts a few, then benched…gets back in in the lead-up to covid, scores a couple, then doesn’t start on the resumption.

His best form has come from starting 3 or 4 games, but then never really given the chance to build upon that.  Whose fault is that?  The honest answer is that neither of us know.

 

Surprised you’ve got the desire to have the same debate over and over!  Can’t say we will ever get close to agreeing on this.  I know that failed to impress is different to lazy. I never said they were the same. He both failed to impress and is lazy.  If he has barely had a run of games in his whole career, played for 6-7 clubs under many managers then I’d say that’s his fault. 

[Davefevs]

Just now, And Its Smith said:

Surprised you’ve got the desire to have the same debate over and over!

So you can make your points over and over, but I can’t make mine back?

How does that work, sounds remarkably hypocritical to me?

[And Its Smith]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So you can make your points over and over, but I can’t make mine back?

How does that work, sounds remarkably hypocritical to me?

You can reply if you want. Just surprised you can be bothered to say the same things to the same people over and over again. Nothing stopping you though 

[samo II]

4 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Maybe the fact that Huddersfield, Blackburn & Derby all chose not to take up the option when he was on loan with them should have sent alarm bells ringing.

For me though, it's the loan spell with us prior to his permanent transfer that is inexcusable. He was poor in the main, and was left out of the side at the end. How we thought we could polish him up to be a diamond is beyond me.

Good luck to Coventry with him. There is undoubted talent there, however my gut feeling is he's another Liam Walsh on the horizon for them.

Agreed. It was baffling and I think was seen as an opportunity to get him for what was seen as cheap at the time. DaSilva I think was similar, in that we got him to sell him; at least he’s looked half decent and contributed, but Palmer has unfortunately been an absolute failure.

4 hours ago, The Coach said:

The signing also didn't make sense as we brought in Smozdics earlier in the summer 

Wish we’d left it at Smozdics and tried him instead. Never got a shot here.

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

You can reply if you want. Just surprised you can be bothered to say the same things to the same people over and over again. Nothing stopping you though 

Likewise

[GrahamC]

48 minutes ago, samo II said:

Agreed. It was baffling and I think was seen as an opportunity to get him for what was seen as cheap at the time. DaSilva I think was similar, in that we got him to sell him; at least he’s looked half decent and contributed, but Palmer has unfortunately been an absolute failure.

Wish we’d left it at Smozdics and tried him instead. Never got a shot here.

The other difference between Dasilva & Palmer was this;

Dasilva had won the player of the season award at Charlton in his previous loan & whilst he wasn’t outstanding in his spell with us, you could see that as he was only 20, there was still plenty of time for him to improve. £2m was also a very reasonable fee at that time.

As has been mentioned before, even without taking into account that we already had Paterson (a better version of the same player) & Szmodics who we had just bought (& I agree, who never got a chance), Palmer did virtually nothing in his loan spell, to go with mediocre previous ones at Blackburn & Derby, so how we thought that justified spending £3.5m I have absolutely no idea.

An ego signing by Ashton & LJ, which we are still paying for.

[James54De]

5 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

The other difference between Dasilva & Palmer was this;

Dasilva had won the player of the season award at Charlton in his previous loan & whilst he wasn’t outstanding in his spell with us, you could see that as he was only 20, there was still plenty of time for him to improve. £2m was also a very reasonable fee at that time.

As has been mentioned before, even without taking into account that we already had Paterson (a better version of the same player) & Szmodics who we had just bought (& I agree, who never got a chance), Palmer did virtually nothing in his loan spell, to go with mediocre previous ones at Blackburn & Derby, so how we thought that justified spending £3.5m I have absolutely no idea.

An ego signing by Ashton & LJ, which we are still paying for.

Ay?

[AshtonRobin21]

11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

The other difference between Dasilva & Palmer was this;

Dasilva had won the player of the season award at Charlton in his previous loan & whilst he wasn’t outstanding in his spell with us, you could see that as he was only 20, there was still plenty of time for him to improve. £2m was also a very reasonable fee at that time.

As has been mentioned before, even without taking into account that we already had Paterson (a better version of the same player) & Szmodics who we had just bought (& I agree, who never got a chance), Palmer did virtually nothing in his loan spell, to go with mediocre previous ones at Blackburn & Derby, so how we thought that justified spending £3.5m I have absolutely no idea.

An ego signing by Ashton & LJ, which we are still paying for.

It's a shame because I think Szmodics would actually suit the system we now play. 

Lots of movement, he could have been a good alternative to Weimann/Semenyo with his pace. 

Or would have been a very good option to have from the bench, also feel the same about Matty Taylor, we spent however much on Wells, when Taylor could have played that role for much cheaper. 

[GrahamC]

25 minutes ago, James54De said:

Ay?

Dasilva & Lloyd Kelly sort of job shared LB in Jay’s loan spell.

Jay started 21 & came on as sub in 7, had Lloyd stayed I am not convinced we’d have signed him.

Edited June 7, 2022 by GrahamC

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

You can reply if you want. Just surprised you can be bothered to say the same things to the same people over and over again. Nothing stopping you though 

But you can when you’re clearly wrong , opinion or not. You were the same in your previous incarnation. You can change your username but the same uneducated rubbish IMO

[James54De]

34 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Dasilva & Lloyd Kelly sort of job shared LB in Jay’s loan spell.

Jay started 21 & came on as sub in 7, had Lloyd stayed I am not convinced we’d have signed him.

Doesn’t mean he wasn’t very impressive tho. 

[And Its Smith]

2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

But you can when you’re clearly wrong , opinion or not. You were the same in your previous incarnation. You can change your username but the same uneducated rubbish IMO

Some can’t see what’s right in front of them ‘Steve’. 

[Lydered]

8 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Good luck to Coventry with him. There is undoubted talent there, however my gut feeling is he's another Liam Walsh on the horizon for them.

Just to be sure I'm not being stupid/confused, do you mean another Liam Walsh, as in a City shirt with the potential that never happened.

Or do you think he is Coventry's 'next' Liam Walsh... the City player that went there, and delivered after a no show for us, and player of the year award for him.

I originally thought you meant the former, but then doubted myself and wasn't sure if you meant he didn't do it here...but would do a Liam Walsh there

[ILikeCheeseOnToast]

Vanity project for Johnson and Ashton. Didn’t work and now the club has continued to pay the price.

I wish him well and wish I had an agent like his as I think at forty and 15 stone, could make a better contribution on half the wage. (Anyone got Ashton’s number?) 

[steviestevieneville]

7 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Some can’t see what’s right in front of them ‘Steve’. 

No Red Dave . Your opinion is right & everyone else is wrong in your eyes . You were the same before, stirring the shit after matches with your dogtanian avatar  . Let me inform you of something . Wether you like it or not you are wrong & continue to be . 

[And Its Smith]

15 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

No Red Dave . Your opinion is right & everyone else is wrong in your eyes . You were the same before, stirring the shit after matches with your dogtanian avatar  . Let me inform you of something . Wether you like it or not you are wrong & continue to be . 

I think my opinion is correct and you think your opinion is correct. That’s what opinions are.  It’s a football forum where many opinions are given.  Your opinion is that I am wrong.  It’s a weird response really as you start by saying ‘your opinion….’ and then do exactly the same yourself.  I’m not the only person who thinks Palmer is lazy so it’s not as if my opinion is a unique one.  Calm yourself down mate. 

[NcnsBcfc]

7 hours ago, Lydered said:

Just to be sure I'm not being stupid/confused, do you mean another Liam Walsh, as in a City shirt with the potential that never happened.

Or do you think he is Coventry's 'next' Liam Walsh... the City player that went there, and delivered after a no show for us, and player of the year award for him.

I originally thought you meant the former, but then doubted myself and wasn't sure if you meant he didn't do it here...but would do a Liam Walsh there

Good point well made 

I meant the Liam Walsh that signed for Swansea on a 3 year contract, that played about 6 games before being farmed out to Hull.

Undoubted talent, but was forever injured.

[Davefevs]

50 minutes ago, ILikeCheeseOnToast said:

Vanity project for Johnson and Ashton. Didn’t work and now the club has continued to pay the price.

I wish him well and wish I had an agent like his as I think at forty and 15 stone, could make a better contribution on half the wage. (Anyone got Ashton’s number?) 

I think a fair few of us got Ashton’s number, quite early on.

29 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I think my opinion is correct and you think your opinion is correct. That’s what opinions are.  It’s a football forum where many opinions are given.  Your opinion is that I am wrong.  It’s a weird response really as you start by saying ‘your opinion….’ and then do exactly the same yourself.  I’m not the only person who thinks Palmer is lazy so it’s not as if my opinion is a unique one.  Calm yourself down mate. 

But why when expressing your opinion, actually state that someone else’s is wrong, that they can’t see what’s in front of them, try to shut the other person’s opinion down, etc.  That’s just arrogant and rude.

It makes no odds whether others think the same as you, it doesn’t make you right, nor does my alternate view, also shared by others right either.  We can both have opinions from opposite sides of the argument, without resorting to saying the other person dies t have a clue what they’re on about.  That is what expressing an opinion is.  I’m sure I cross that line at times.

 

[Monkeh]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think a fair few of us got Ashton’s number, quite early on.

But why when expressing your opinion, actually state that someone else’s is wrong, that they can’t see what’s in front of them, try to shut the other person’s opinion down, etc.  That’s just arrogant and rude.

It makes no odds whether others think the same as you, it doesn’t make you right, nor does my alternate view, also shared by others right either.  We can both have opinions from opposite sides of the argument, without resorting to saying the other person dies t have a clue what they’re on about.  That is what expressing an opinion is.  I’m sure I cross that line at times.

 

For what it's worth,

You're both wrong and I'm right......

[And Its Smith]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think a fair few of us got Ashton’s number, quite early on.

But why when expressing your opinion, actually state that someone else’s is wrong, that they can’t see what’s in front of them, try to shut the other person’s opinion down, etc.  That’s just arrogant and rude.

It makes no odds whether others think the same as you, it doesn’t make you right, nor does my alternate view, also shared by others right either.  We can both have opinions from opposite sides of the argument, without resorting to saying the other person dies t have a clue what they’re on about.  That is what expressing an opinion is.  I’m sure I cross that line at times.

 

He dishes it out so I’m sure he can take it, despite evidence to the contrary. You do cross that line, as do most people at times. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by And Its Smith

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Good point well made 

I meant the Liam Walsh that signed for Swansea on a 3 year contract, that played about 6 games before being farmed out to Hull.

Undoubted talent, but was forever injured.

My view is that he’s not quite good enough for this level.  I think he has some deficiencies in his game, mainly his lack of mobility / pace / physicality without the ball that makes him sub-par without the ball…and makes it difficult for him to get on the ball / receive passes where he can use his good technical skills. 

Youd have thought Swansea would’ve been ideal for him under Martin, with their heavy possession style, but it hasn’t worked out so far.  It might yet do.

[Bryans Left Peg]

47 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I think my opinion is correct and you think your opinion is correct. That’s what opinions are.  It’s a football forum where many opinions are given.  Your opinion is that I am wrong.  It’s a weird response really as you start by saying ‘your opinion….’ and then do exactly the same yourself.  I’m not the only person who thinks Palmer is lazy so it’s not as if my opinion is a unique one.  Calm yourself down mate. 

Think you’ve done incredibly well to keep your head and not rise to the insults lad. It’s a forum for debate at the end of the day..
 

FWIW I agree with you so we can be wrong together 

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

For what it's worth,

You're both wrong and I'm right......

You are Spartacus!

Just now, Bryans Left Peg said:

Think you’ve done incredibly well to keep your head and not rise to the insults lad. It’s a forum for debate at the end of the day..
 

FWIW I agree with you so we can be wrong together 

I’ve not insulted anyone…I’ve not said “he’s wrong, I’m right” either.

[Bryans Left Peg]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You are Spartacus!

I’ve not insulted anyone…I’ve not said “he’s wrong, I’m right” either.

Dave, it wasn’t directed at you fella! 
 

Keep up the good work 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Bryans Left Peg

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, Bryans Left Peg said:

Think you’ve done incredibly well to keep your head and not rise to the insults lad. It’s a forum for debate at the end of the day..
 

FWIW I agree with you so we can be wrong together 

Thanks.  Nice to meet another clueless idiot!!

 If I was saying that Palmer is the worst player to ever play for us then I could understand the aggression in a way, although it would still be odd to display such an emotion on a forum. But I see so many people on different social medias and in ‘real life’ agreeing with Palmer being lazy that it clearly has some value. 

[Monkeh]

9 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Thanks.  Nice to meet another clueless idiot!!

 If I was saying that Palmer is the worst player to ever play for us then I could understand the aggression in a way, although it would still be odd to display such an emotion on a forum. But I see so many people on different social medias and in ‘real life’ agreeing with Palmer being lazy that it clearly has some value. 

He isnt lazy, he's far from it, he just isn't very good at the defensive side of the game,

[Port Said Red]

9 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Thanks.  Nice to meet another clueless idiot!!

 If I was saying that Palmer is the worst player to ever play for us then I could understand the aggression in a way, although it would still be odd to display such an emotion on a forum. But I see so many people on different social medias and in ‘real life’ agreeing with Palmer being lazy that it clearly has some value. 

The rules around attacking the post rather than the poster, seem to be falling by the wayside, I think the mods should be reviewing that. 

I don't think anyone has any real issue with people's opinions, no matter how much they disagree with them. It's when they are worded as fact, that people take exception to. Perhaps that's the issue here?

[GrahamC]

18 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My view is that he’s not quite good enough for this level.  I think he has some deficiencies in his game, mainly his lack of mobility / pace / physicality without the ball that makes him sub-par without the ball…and makes it difficult for him to get on the ball / receive passes where he can use his good technical skills. 

Youd have thought Swansea would’ve been ideal for him under Martin, with their heavy possession style, but it hasn’t worked out so far.  It might yet do.

Swansea are looking to move him on but Cooper gave him a 3 year contract before jumping ship.

Despite some on here seeing Walsh as the son of God, his only decent spell in his career at Coventry was in League One.

He’s 24 now, didn’t breakthrough with us, struggled at Swansea & on loan at Hull.

He’s League One standard.

[BCFCGav]

Stop making the thread hot by bickering! We're all grown ups here. 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Swansea are looking to move him on but Cooper gave him a 3 year contract before jumping ship.

Despite some on here seeing Walsh as the son of God, his only decent spell in his career at Coventry was in League One.

He’s 24 now, didn’t breakthrough with us, struggled at Swansea & on loan at Hull.

He’s League One standard.

Did you mean David Icke?

[Sheltons Army]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Did you mean David Icke?

No , I think he meant Bob Taylor’s lad

[Monkeh]

20 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Stop making the thread hot by bickering! We're all grown ups here. 

Get back under your rock smelly

But yea can we get back on track with this one or find some song quotes to lighten the mood a little

[RedorDead BCFC]

12 hours ago, GrahamC said:

 

An ego signing by Ashton & LJ, which we are still paying for.

I don’t think (my opinion, before I get shouted at) that LJ was part of buying Palmer. He didn’t use him a lot on loan. I think after that comment “he needs a preseason to work with him” Ashton went out and bought him. Then LJ done similar again and not play him much.

 

[samo II]

12 hours ago, GrahamC said:

The other difference between Dasilva & Palmer was this;

Dasilva had won the player of the season award at Charlton in his previous loan & whilst he wasn’t outstanding in his spell with us, you could see that as he was only 20, there was still plenty of time for him to improve. £2m was also a very reasonable fee at that time.

As has been mentioned before, even without taking into account that we already had Paterson (a better version of the same player) & Szmodics who we had just bought (& I agree, who never got a chance), Palmer did virtually nothing in his loan spell, to go with mediocre previous ones at Blackburn & Derby, so how we thought that justified spending £3.5m I have absolutely no idea.

An ego signing by Ashton & LJ, which we are still paying for.

Completely agree. Palmer was the ‘process’ overreaching due to prior success and showing the flaws in using it as a guiding principle regards player acquisition.

Problem was the flaws compounded while the successes didn’t (ie we had to keep paying a non-contributor who wasn’t increasing in value, while the transfer fees for those we sold were already absorbed), hence the pivot away from the model.

I look at the signings we’re making now and while possibly seen by some as underwhelming, they represent to me a more pragmatic approach to team building; get in vets with a bit of experience at this level, and match them with some some promising players looking to step up from leagues one/two and the youth players.

For me, that’s the best way of developing a team at this level when you are not in a position to simply spend your way out of it like a recently relegated or bought out side.

 

 

[NcnsBcfc]

35 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

I don’t think (my opinion, before I get shouted at) that LJ was part of buying Palmer. He didn’t use him a lot on loan. I think after that comment “he needs a preseason to work with him” Ashton went out and bought him. Then LJ done similar again and not play him much.

 

I remember thinking at the time that comment "I need a preseason to work with him" was a bit bizarre.

This was a player that LJ had already had at the club for 5-6 months. Surely KP would have had opportunities during that time to either get up to the required fitness levels, or develop alongside the rest of the squad.

For me, it was more "I'm looking forward to having a preseason to figure out how I'm going to use him". More representative of him being not particularly 100% behind the signing in the first place.