Palmer signs for Coventry

[CyderInACan]

38 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

Worst signing we’ve ever made.

Not quite; the worst signing we ever made was the one who bought him from Chelsea. 

[77 punk]

reg we signed the worst signing twice !

[Ecko]

We gave him a 4 year contract?! What a clueless bastard Ashton is

[Pezo]

22 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I’m sure the club will reveal private and confidential contracts to you. Maybe give them a call.

He is gone. That’s a good thing. 

I’m sure the club will reveal private and confidential contracts to you. Maybe give them a call.

He is gone. That’s a good thing. 

It's a undisclosed so they aren't going to do that but looking at everything else that's been part of our financial management of KP how much do you think we have paid them?

[daored]

6 minutes ago, Ecko said:

We gave him a 4 year contract?! What a clueless bastard Ashton is

How many of our fans were saying that at the time? Hindsight is a wonderful thing 

[YGBjammy]

We must have paid so much money for that one good through ball he did

[ExiledAjax]

28 minutes ago, handsofclay said:

The bizarre thing was we signed Sammie Szmodics a week or so earlier. He was happy to join City and make the step up and we were happy to have him, it looked a promising signing. Then we splashed out £4M for Palmer in the same position and suddenly we were debating who to loan Szmodics to!! It really illustrated that there wasn't a coherent plan backstage at Ashton Gate.

As for the signing itself and the fact the club lost out massively my thoughts upon it, like the fee Coventry have 'paid' will best remain undisclosed 

Worse was that he'd not exactly solved our problems during his initial loan spell. IMO he'd not shown himself to be a player that made us better at defeating our opponents. Certainly not to the point that we should spend £4m on him.

1 minute ago, YGBjammy said:

We must have paid so much money for that one good through ball he did

Don't forget Northampton at home. We'll always have Northampton. 

[Redrascal2]

28 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

KP is not a bad player, he's just emblematic of how we completely lost control of both our identity, and finances as a club.

Well he was for us.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

On 06/06/2022 at 20:15, BCFCGav said:

Is this something that happens? A player leaves on a permanent and the old club still puts in on wages? I understand if it’s a loan but that’s a crap position to find yourself in if they’re gone permanently!

Yes good his gone for city, and I wish all the best in his future. But it's the finances on this one which make it a good deal or not for city.

[Red-Robbo]

20 minutes ago, daored said:

How many of our fans were saying that at the time? Hindsight is a wonderful thing 

 

I certainly wasn't singing "sign him up".  I hadn't been convinced at all in his loan spell and thought he flattered to deceive.  A guy who looks good for about 5% of the match is going to be found-out in the Championship. 

I suppose when we signed him, I gave him (and the club) the benefit and thought "he's a young player, he can improve" but I trust Pearson's judgement implicitly that he hasn't improved into the sort of player we can use.  He was not so much a "luxury player" as a "white elephant player". 

[GrahamC]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I certainly wasn't singing "sign him up".  I hadn't been convinced at all in his loan spell and thought he flattered to deceive.  A guy who looks good for about 5% of the match is going to be found-out in the Championship. 

I suppose when we signed him, I gave him (and the club) the benefit and thought "he's a young player, he can improve" but I trust Pearson's judgement implicitly that he hasn't improved into the sort of player we can use.  He was not so much a "luxury player" as a "white elephant player". 

Me neither.

My recollection is it was about 50/50, despite what is now being said.

[Bris Red]

40 minutes ago, Ecko said:

We gave him a 4 year contract?! What a clueless bastard Ashton is

Plenty said it was a bad signing.. I knew at the time it was a ridiculous waste of money 

Edited June 21, 2022 by bris red

[Swede]

I really liked KP45 and wish him all the best. We're moving in a different direction though with NP.

The difference is rather than doing an Ashton in collecting players or "clubs in the bag" and leaving it up to the Head Coach to mould a team out of what he's given, NP is looking more long term at the collective for the team.

[RedRock]

Somewhat bewildered that we signed him, but there was a player in there.

A player that probably needed stability, a clearly defined role with games to develop some playing partnerships and understandings with colleagues. That hasn’t been us for the last 5 years. Just couldn’t perform and realise his potential in our dysfunctional team.

Arguably, someone on his wages (and talent) should be capable of imposing their own game on even a rudderless team and provide some leadership. Wasn’t to be. Massive waste of £££.

Another one of Ashton’s ‘good humans’ moves on. We will soon have a complete team of bastards. Bring on the Millwall, Blackburn and the rest. 

[Red-Robbo]

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Me neither.

My recollection is it was about 50/50, despite what is now being said.

 

Alongside the utterly cringe lyrics, it was one of the things that irked me most about the Kasey Palmer song. Folks were belting it out when he hadn't done enough really to deserve having his own song.  Plenty of other players should've been ahead of him in the adulation stakes. 

[daored]

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

 

Alongside the utterly cringe lyrics, it was one of the things that irked me most about the Kasey Palmer song. Folks were belting it out when he hadn't done enough really to deserve having his own song.  Plenty of other players should've been ahead of him in the adulation stakes. 

I don’t disagree, personal thoughts on Palmer was it was a signing that just didn’t make sense - we already had Paterson and had earlier signed Szmodics who had started pre season relatively well. Palmer signs, then Paterson goes on loan , to come back into the team. If ever there was a signing that displayed the scatter gun approach to transfers under Johnson & Ashton era this was it. 
My recollection of fan demand for the signing was it felt a large proportion but maybe the loudest! 

[Banjo Red]

Another one of Swiss Tony's deals off the books.

[Fontaineofallknowledge]

46 minutes ago, daored said:

How many of our fans were saying that at the time? Hindsight is a wonderful thing 

I was very surprised that we signed him after a very average loan spell so no hindsight here pal

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, daored said:

I don’t disagree, personal thoughts on Palmer was it was a signing that just didn’t make sense - we already had Paterson and had earlier signed Szmodics who had started pre season relatively well. Palmer signs, then Paterson goes on loan , to come back into the team. If ever there was a signing that displayed the scatter gun approach to transfers under Johnson & Ashton era this was it. 
My recollection of fan demand for the signing was it felt a large proportion but maybe the loudest! 

Work all summer with a 4231 built on:

Webster, Kalas

Pack, Brownhill 

Weimann, Szmodics or Paterson , Eliasson or Paterson

Diedhiou

Then toss it all up in the air in the week leading up to the season, and then after one game after a defeat v Leeds (and that’s wider than just Palmer). Lordy, Lordy, Lordy.

 

I was comfy to sign Palmer, just the way we did it was wrong.

Edited June 21, 2022 by Davefevs

[Fammyfan]

KP will go down as one of the worst signings ever made from a decision making perspective. It’s disappointing for any signing not to workout but we literally had the guy for several months on loan and there were already signs that it wouldn’t work out which our management team chose to ignore.

[Northern Red]

16 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Me neither.

My recollection is it was about 50/50, despite what is now being said.

Certainly nowhere near as many as who wanted DaSilva and Kalas permanently, or Tomlin a few years prior to that.

[t_b]

55 minutes ago, Ecko said:

We gave him a 4 year contract?! What a clueless bastard Ashton is

Not really. 
if you spend that much on someone (transfer fee + wages + inevitable agents fee) you’ll want to a) spread it over a longer period AND ensure you have a long enough contract that when he fulfils his promise (reveal: he didn’t) you’ve got contract leverage to make someone come in with big money

[Lanterne Rouge]

I would still like to have seen how the season would have panned out if Benik hadn`t done his ACL. Something very good was beginning to show itself then.

Good luck KP.

[daored]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Work all summer with a 4231 built on:

Webster, Kalas

Pack, Brownhill 

Weimann, Szmodics or Paterson , Eliasson or Paterson

Diedhiou

Then toss it all up in the air in the week leading up to the season, and then after one game after a defeat v Leeds (and that’s wider than just Palmer). Lordy, Lordy, Lordy.

 

I was comfy to sign Palmer, just the way we did it was wrong.

Exactly and I don’t like to quote your pal on FBC podcast but he’s right when he says the manager should go to the board with a list of players and explain how they’d fit into a system. As you show there was no plan for Palmer to fit into out system  yet the purchase was sanctioned. It was an expensive acquisition with no real thought into it and ultimately we’re paying the penalty as a club now.

5 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

I was very surprised that we signed him after a very average loan spell so no hindsight here pal

I didn’t say all our fans 

[INCRED]

1 hour ago, Gazred said:

I think Cov fans will be happy with that signing, perhaps as much as most of us are to see him move on.

Thats another tick against our transfer business so far.

It’s going very well, moved quickly to secure signings and now clearing the decks of who is not required. 
 

Well done RG, a very good transfer window so far with a few more moves both ways still to be done 

[Coombsy]

They heard about his repatriation 

[Sleepy1968]

2 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

 

 

 

David ******* James?!

Worth the signing just for the comedy gold og at home v Watford.

[Sleepy1968]

2 hours ago, Pezo said:

It's a undisclosed so they aren't going to do that but looking at everything else that's been part of our financial management of KP how much do you think we have paid them?

That was going through my head as well. Not beyond belief. Some people will go nuts on here if that was found to be correct. Like sh*ttin' the bed, best to forget this ever happened.

[22A]

2 hours ago, Gazred said:

I think Cov fans will be happy with that signing,

and so they are; https://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/kasey-palmer.143300/page-3 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, daored said:

Exactly and I don’t like to quote your pal on FBC podcast but he’s right when he says the manager should go to the board with a list of players and explain how they’d fit into a system. As you show there was no plan for Palmer to fit into out system  yet the purchase was sanctioned. It was an expensive acquisition with no real thought into it and ultimately we’re paying the penalty as a club now.

I didn’t say all our fans 

He does make some decent points at times, but he is agenda based and I’ve never seen a fan so entitled.

[CyderInACan]

1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

I would still like to have seen how the season would have panned out if Benik hadn`t done his ACL. Something very good was beginning to show itself then.

Good luck KP.

You can’t base him “making it” here on a potential partnership with just one other bloke though, can you? It takes more than that and yes, it showed promise, but form/rotation/injuries will always dictate that can’t always be a foregone conclusion. 

[Merrick's Marvels]

Not exactly like losing Gary Collier to them, is it?

Quite the opposite, in fact - a time for unbridled celebration.

[TomThumb84]

So anyone totting up how much £ in players have walked out of the door or been moved on that were signed during Mark Ashton’s ego-driven spending spree without a sell-on value?

About £12m I make it, but working it out properly makes me depressed and sad.

”Value on the pitch”…..

[Monkeh]

Thank god he's gone, one of the biggest flops we've had and a complete waste of money,

I do wish him well as it wasn't his fault but ashton has alot to answer for

[RedM]

2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Alongside the utterly cringe lyrics, it was one of the things that irked me most about the Kasey Palmer song. Folks were belting it out when he hadn't done enough really to deserve having his own song.  Plenty of other players should've been ahead of him in the adulation stakes. 

Absolutely. Totally agree. He almost instantly gained a song which was popular amongst the singers, then he failed to live up to it (having a song, that is). He became a victim of his own hype. 

[old_eastender]

Be interesting to see how KP gets on. Fully motivated, on his day a matchwinner. We didn't get to see his best that often for whatever reason, but wish him well.

 

[Davefevs]

38 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said:

So anyone totting up how much £ in players have walked out of the door or been moved on that were signed during Mark Ashton’s ego-driven spending spree without a sell-on value?

About £12m I make it, but working it out properly makes me depressed and sad.

”Value on the pitch”…..

I forgot my Mark_Ashton.xls

Ive updated it:

 

£18.75m in fees on players who left for free.

[Selred]

25 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I forgot my Mark_Ashton.xls

Ive updated it:

 

£18.75m in fees on players who left for free.

Likely break the £20m this summer too!

[Swede]

He doesn't look very motivated by that brick wall and Cov shirt does he. In fact he doesn't look very happy at all.

[Out of his pie crust]

2/52 (loans excluded)with any decent sell on value. Good arrows

[Fammyfan]

I’m fairness we have an improved squad now to what MA inherited but the number of failed signings is high. He’s been bailed out by a couple of the success stories

[cityfan1958]

Most important transfer of the summer. I really thought we would struggle to get him gone. 
i have no knowledge of the deal, but I would guess, minimal fee (enough to cover admin legal fees etc). With no transfer fee Coventry can give him a signing fee, and then lower wages over the 3 year period of the contract.

A player who was ‘King of the Academy’ but can’t/won’t step up to the full man’s game.

[cidercity1987]

A good signing for the Cov fans at least, must be their highest profile purchase for quite a few years now.

A bit of a risky one for Robins I imagine. Even if we are paying something, Palmer is going to cost them a lot compared to what they have been used to spending. I guess they think he's the missing link to push them to the play offs but his history would suggest he is not actually of that calibre

[watkins1983]

Finally goodbye Kasey. Some magic but mostly no effort, slight argument you didn’t get a fair spin of the wheel but there was absolute 0% ***** given last season. What a waste of a talent 

[AirlieBeachRed]

A mate of mine who is a Coventry fan says Palmer took a 50% pay cut to sign. Dont know how true this is?

It does fit more to there pay structure if he did.

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, AirlieBeachRed said:

A mate of mine who is a Coventry fan says Palmer took a 50% pay cut to sign. Dont know how true this is?

It does fit more to there pay structure if he did.

He would have taken a pay cut to join us as well.

[Nugget]

Seemed to get on well with Afobe on and off the pitch, as someone said when Benik got injured there was a noticeable difference in Kasey. Not the only reason of course, the guy just needs to be settled, with a formation that works for him, wish him the best, there’s a good player there, but it’s a big lump off the wages & the right move for everyone. 

[cidered abroad]

10 hours ago, 22A said:

and so they are; https://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/kasey-palmer.143300/page-3 

Oh boy are the Coventry fans going to be amazed at what he gives compared with what they think they are getting!

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, Nugget said:

Seemed to get on well with Afobe on and off the pitch, as someone said when Benik got injured there was a noticeable difference in Kasey. Not the only reason of course, the guy just needs to be settled, with a formation that works for him, wish him the best, there’s a good player there, but it’s a big lump off the wages & the right move for everyone. 

He probably should've signed for Millwall, mate 

[Bristol Oil Services]

14 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Alongside the utterly cringe lyrics, it was one of the things that irked me most about the Kasey Palmer song. Folks were belting it out when he hadn't done enough really to deserve having his own song.  Plenty of other players should've been ahead of him in the adulation stakes. 

It's because his name has four syllables so scans perfect with many popular songs. Try "Alex Scott" and it doesn't work. Bob Taylor had to be "Bob-bee" in song.

It's like "Liv-er-pool" or "Ev-er-ton" went seamlessly with "clap, clap, clap" in the 60s and 70s and then "Here we go" in the 80s but "Bristol" doesn't, hence we have no atmosphere. And why we had to stretch it to "Buh-riss-tawl."

Bristol and/or Bristol City is/are poor names/words for singing. Bed-mins-ter would've been better. People sang his name because it had four syllables and it scanned nicely. And it was about shagging. 

"Oh Ni-gel Pear-son ... " that might work too, thinking about it .......

[italian dave]

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Work all summer with a 4231 built on:

Webster, Kalas

Pack, Brownhill 

Weimann, Szmodics or Paterson , Eliasson or Paterson

Diedhiou

Then toss it all up in the air in the week leading up to the season, and then after one game after a defeat v Leeds (and that’s wider than just Palmer). Lordy, Lordy, Lordy.

 

I was comfy to sign Palmer, just the way we did it was wrong.

100% Dave

Worst player we've signed? Not by a long way.

Worst signing from a timing/strategy/planning point of view? Definitely up there. 

[AshtonGreat]

On 07/06/2022 at 16:47, Arkateee said:

Touch wood that everything goes through well for Kasey palmer, and the medical doesn’t hold the move back. Too much of luxury player for me, although technically very talented, and unfortunately we’ve never managed to find a system that suits his talents, I wish him all the best for the future. 

Neither has any other club, it seems

[TonyTonyTony]

Not sure about the song they are making up for him. 

Oh, Kasey Palmer's magic/ He wears a magic hat/ And if you try to tackle him/ He'll tackle the ****** back/ He dribbles to the left/ He dribbles to the right/ And when we get promoted we'll sing this song all night!

They might get a shock if they are expecting him to tackle...

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Not sure about the song they are making up for him. 

Oh, Kasey Palmer's magic/ He wears a magic hat/ And if you try to tackle him/ He'll tackle the ****** back/ He dribbles to the left/ He dribbles to the right/ And when we get promoted we'll sing this song all night!

They might get a shock if they are expecting him to tackle...

Why, Kasey was never shy of putting a tackle in.  He was very committed in the challenge. 

[GrahamC]

13 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Not exactly like losing Gary Collier to them, is it?

Quite the opposite, in fact - a time for unbridled celebration.

Or Louis Carey..

On a par with signing Naismith as highlight of the summer so far.

[Monkeh]

25 minutes ago, italian dave said:

100% Dave

Worst player we've signed? Not by a long way.

Worst signing from a timing/strategy/planning point of view? Definitely up there. 

Well we signed that lad we sold to Peterborough (name escapes me at the moment) because we couldn't get palmer then signed palmer anyway......there was no strategy or planning, ashton was playing fm in real life with the clubs money, and like after johnson left its taken this long to course correct,

Thankfully it doesn't appear as if relegation had to happen this time round,

Progress I guess

[TonyTonyTony]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why, Kasey was never shy of putting a tackle in.  He was very committed in the challenge. 

That's not how i remember him. Mind you, im not exactly spoilt for choice in the memory banks

[chinapig]

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why, Kasey was never shy of putting a tackle in.  He was very committed in the challenge. 

Doesn't fit the narrative Dave. If anything he had a tendency to be a bit reckless in the tackle but he certainly didn't lack commitment as you say.

[TonyTonyTony]

35 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Doesn't fit the narrative Dave. 

Are you telling me KP was well known for his tackling? That was the best feature of his game?

The narrative here, is that he was crap for us. We have debated whether he was lazy or not - done that one to death. Some say he had an attitude problem - i personally havent heard that.

[chinapig]

5 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Are you telling me KP was well known for his tackling? That was the best feature of his game?

The narrative here, is that he was crap for us. We have debated whether he was lazy or not - done that one to death. Some say he had an attitude problem - i personally havent heard that.

If that was what I meant that is what I would have said so the answer is no. I was however agreeing with @Davefevs.

Nobody disputes that he was a bad signing but the narrative in some quarters is that he is either lazy or has a bad attitude or both. I didn't see evidence of either.

[Monkeh]

11 minutes ago, chinapig said:

If that was what I meant that is what I would have said so the answer is no. I was however agreeing with @Davefevs.

Nobody disputes that he was a bad signing but the narrative in some quarters is that he is either lazy or has a bad attitude or both. I didn't see evidence of either.

He had nether, he just wasn't very good, I dont think he's championship standard, he struggled to get into multiple teams at this level, that's the striking thing for me,

It's not just us

[chinapig]

Just now, Monkeh said:

He had nether, he just wasn't very good, I dont think he's championship standard, he struggled to get into multiple teams at this level, that's the striking thing for me,

It's not just us

Yes, he hasn't fitted into a system at any club yet. Raw talent but struggles to meet the tactical demands of the game imo.

[Taz]

9 hours ago, Monkeh said:

Well we signed that lad we sold to Peterborough (name escapes me at the moment) because we couldn't get palmer then signed palmer anyway......there was no strategy or planning, ashton was playing fm in real life with the clubs money, and like after johnson left its taken this long to course correct,

Thankfully it doesn't appear as if relegation had to happen this time round,

Progress I guess

Sammie Szmodics.

[TonyTonyTony]

8 hours ago, chinapig said:

Yes, he hasn't fitted into a system at any club yet. 

What system do you think he would work in, and why? 
 

The “raw” talent of KP is a myth i reckon. Loads of clubs, lots of opportunities and delivered very little. Now it’s the system that’s the problem - nah- he is just not very good and got lucky with his contract pay as he was ex Chelsea. 

[chinapig]

2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

What system do you think he would work in, and why? 
 

The “raw” talent of KP is a myth i reckon. Loads of clubs, lots of opportunities and delivered very little. Now it’s the system that’s the problem - nah- he is just not very good and got lucky with his contract pay as he was ex Chelsea. 

You seem to have misunderstood me, my point was about his inability to fit into any system at any club he has been at so far.

So we are actually agreeing.

[TonyTonyTony]

34 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You seem to have misunderstood me, my point was about his inability to fit into any system at any club he has been at so far.

So we are actually agreeing.

Certainly agree with all that mate

[BS4 on Tour...]

On 21/06/2022 at 19:21, Lanterne Rouge said:

I would still like to have seen how the season would have panned out if Benik hadn`t done his ACL. Something very good was beginning to show itself then.

Good luck KP.

Fantastic post LR - at that point we had Afobe up front with Palmer and Weimann behind him - we were on fire, we were ripping teams to shreds ... such a shame we didn’t get to see how that panned out - I really rated Palmer, he’s obviously a very skilful footballer, such a shame it didn’t work out for him here - someone will build a team around him and benefit hugely ...

[Merrick's Marvels]

10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

someone will build a team around him and benefit hugely ...

Teams don't work like that any more though, do they - it's all about the collective. Not successful teams anyway. 

If he doesn't learn to pull his weight, he'll waste his talent and his career will be a non event. 

[cidercity1987]

17 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Fantastic post LR - at that point we had Afobe up front with Palmer and Weimann behind him - we were on fire, we were ripping teams to shreds ... such a shame we didn’t get to see how that panned out - I really rated Palmer, he’s obviously a very skilful footballer, such a shame it didn’t work out for him here - someone will build a team around him and benefit hugely ...

I remember a 3-1 win away at Hull which was a good performance. What teams did we rip to shreds?

[BS4 on Tour...]

41 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

I remember a 3-1 win away at Hull which was a good performance. What teams did we rip to shreds?

QPR at home, Derby away, Middlesbrough at home - all those very fine performances (and results) had Afobe, Palmer and Weimann up front ... then came the bad injury for Afobe ...