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I was randomly looking at a list of retained players and became quite panicked when I did not see a number 10 and realised I could not remember who our number 10 last season was (I'll let you have the same fun finding out).

5 of the 11 are empty now. 2, 4, 7, 10, 11. Who steps up into them? 2 and 4 might seem obvious from summer signings. But do Weimann or Semenyo (assuming we retain them) move up or are they attached to their numbers?

Who takes on the coveted mantle of Callum O'Dowda's largely unworn number 11? Will Alex Scott be moving up into number 7 or even number 10? Will 42 or 45 still be here and will they still want to play with those numbers?

  • 1 Bentley
  • 2
  • 3 DaSilva
  • 4
  • 5 Atkinson
  • 6 James
  • 7 
  • 8 Williams
  • 9 Martin
  • 10
  • 11

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I'd forgotten our number 10 as well. Won't spoil it but to say...oh really?

Odd as well that number 4 never got reassigned after Nagy left. Also shows that even being given a number in the top 11 doesn't mean a player is staying.

I reckon Scott takes 10, Semenyo 11 if he stays, and Weimann will stick with 14 due to superstition. 

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This is not likely to be the numbers they get, but given our signings so far (including Wilson, hopefully) and that Nige has insinuated that he would favour a back four, then this would be the team, for me.

1 Bentley

2 Wilson  4 Klose  5 Naismith  3 Dasilva

6 James  8 Williams

7 Weimann 10 Scott 11 Semenyo

9 Martin

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Naismith wore 4 at Luton & Wilson 2 at FGR so that seems highly likely.

Sykes seems to have worn numerous numbers in his career so wouldn’t be surprised if he & Scott took 7 & 11.

If King stays he might well keep 10, even if he’s not a regular.

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17 minutes ago, Orbital said:

This is not likely to be the numbers they get, but given our signings so far (including Wilson, hopefully) and that Nige has insinuated that he would favour a back four, then this would be the team, for me.

1 Bentley

2 Wilson  4 Klose  5 Naismith  3 Dasilva

6 James  8 Williams

7 Weimann 10 Scott 11 Semenyo

9 Martin

I would really like that

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Silvio Dante

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41 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I'd forgotten our number 10 as well. Won't spoil it but to say...oh really?

Odd as well that number 4 never got reassigned after Nagy left. Also shows that even being given a number in the top 11 doesn't mean a player is staying.

I reckon Scott takes 10, Semenyo 11 if he stays, and Weimann will stick with 14 due to superstition. 

I’d agree with a lot of that. Scott will go 10 - even though King has it now it’s “merited” on performances, King as p/coach is clearly not first XI and as Scott’s idol is Grealish, I’d imagine he’d be happy to take the number.

Andi will stay 14 - he’s always worn it despite being consistent first choice and no reason to suspect that changes now.

Semenyo I think will stay 18. It’s the 1+8=number 9 logic some footballers have!

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32 minutes ago, Orbital said:

This is not likely to be the numbers they get, but given our signings so far (including Wilson, hopefully) and that Nige has insinuated that he would favour a back four, then this would be the team, for me.

1 Bentley

2 Wilson  4 Klose  5 Naismith  3 Dasilva

6 James  8 Williams

7 Weimann 10 Scott 11 Semenyo

9 Martin

Harsh on Atkinson

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1 hour ago, TBW said:

Harsh on Atkinson

True, but we now have some depth to our defensive options and they can’t all play.

If we keep Kalas, I would play him ahead of Atkinson. In a four, you could take out Dasilva and play: Wilson, Kalas, Klose, Naysmith.
 

If you change to a back three, you could push Wilson and Dasilva on as wingbacks (arguably more suitable to their skills) and play: Kalas, Klose and Naysmith.

Tough on Atkinson, but it is healthy competition for places. If Kalas goes then he is next in line, for me.

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2 hours ago, Orbital said:

This is not likely to be the numbers they get, but given our signings so far (including Wilson, hopefully) and that Nige has insinuated that he would favour a back four, then this would be the team, for me.

1 Bentley

2 Wilson  4 Klose  5 Naismith  3 Dasilva

6 James  8 Williams

7 Weimann 10 Scott 11 Semenyo

9 Martin

Swap James and Klose then it's good.

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2 hours ago, Orbital said:

This is not likely to be the numbers they get, but given our signings so far (including Wilson, hopefully) and that Nige has insinuated that he would favour a back four, then this would be the team, for me.

1 Bentley

2 Wilson  4 Klose  5 Naismith  3 Dasilva

6 James  8 Williams

7 Weimann 10 Scott 11 Semenyo

9 Martin

Can't have a midfield 2 of James and Williams. Not mobile enough.

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38 minutes ago, Orbital said:

True, but we now have some depth to our defensive options and they can’t all play.

If we keep Kalas, I would play him ahead of Atkinson. In a four, you could take out Dasilva and play: Wilson, Kalas, Klose, Naysmith.
 

If you change to a back three, you could push Wilson and Dasilva on as wingbacks (arguably more suitable to their skills) and play: Kalas, Klose and Naysmith.

Tough on Atkinson, but it is healthy competition for places. If Kalas goes then he is next in line, for me.

I didn't mean not selecting him, I meant taking #5 away from him. 

21 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I'm not sure it matters anymore who wears what but if I'm being pedantic then James should change his number. I always think of 5 & 6 as centre Halves and 4 as a defensive midfield player. 

All of 4, 5 and 6 are fluid between centre backs and defensive midfielders. 

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7 minutes ago, TBW said:

I didn't mean not selecting him, I meant taking #5 away from him. 

All of 4, 5 and 6 are fluid between centre backs and defensive midfielders. 

Always exceptions to the rule but not so much when I started, Nobby Stiles, Billy Bremner, Tommy Smith, Gordon Low to name but a few all played 4.

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Although I could of course be reading far too much into this, I think there is some psychology behind these number changes.

Moving the likes of Bell, Towler & Idehen up the numbers into the 20s from the 30s shows their progress to them, I suspect the same thing will happen with Conway & Benarous, whilst Scott might well get a first 11 number.

Likewise Sykes is effectively being told that he’s a first team squad member, if not an automatic starter with 17.

Massengo at 30 is presumably because we want the squad to appear more compact than this no. 42, 45, 46 nonsense.

As Pearson said yesterday they are in competition with each other for places now.

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What I've spotted so far...

1. Dan Bentley
2. Kane Wilson
3. Jay Dasilva
4.
5. Rob Atkinson
6. Matty James
7.
8. Joe Williams
9. Chris Martin
10. Andy King
11.
12. Max O'Leary
13. Harvey Wiles-Richards
14.
15. Tommy Conway
16. Cameron Pring
17. Mark Sykes
18.
19. George Tanner
20. Sam Bell
21.
22.
23. Ryley Towler
24. Duncan Idehen
25. Timm Klose
26. Zak Vyner
27. Dylan Kadji
28.
29.
30. Han-Noah Massengo
52. Will Buse

Not yet seen in training or has no number printed etc.: Kal Naismith, Andreas Weimann, Antoine Semenyo, Nahki Wells, Tomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Alex Scott, Ayman Benarous, Tyreeq Bakinson, Taylor Moore, James Morton, Owura Edwards, Saikou Janneh.

Obviously it can all change but if it didn't,  can probably take a guess at a few... Naismith 4, Weimann 14, Semenyo 11, Wells 21, Kalas 22, Scott 7, Benarous 18... the rest, who cares?

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10 minutes ago, TBW said:

What I've spotted so far...

1. Dan Bentley
2. Kane Wilson
3. Jay Dasilva
4.
5. Rob Atkinson
6. Matty James
7.
8. Joe Williams
9. Chris Martin
10. Andy King
11.
12. Max O'Leary
13. Harvey Wiles-Richards
14.
15. Tommy Conway
16. Cameron Pring
17. Mark Sykes
18.
19. George Tanner
20. Sam Bell
21.
22.
23. Ryley Towler
24. Duncan Idehen
25. Timm Klose
26. Zak Vyner
27. Dylan Kadji
28.
29.
30. Han-Noah Massengo
52. Will Buse

Not yet seen in training or has no number printed etc.: Kal Naismith, Andreas Weimann, Antoine Semenyo, Nahki Wells, Tomas Kalas, Nathan Baker, Alex Scott, Ayman Benarous, Tyreeq Bakinson, Taylor Moore, James Morton, Owura Edwards, Saikou Janneh.

Obviously it can all change but if it didn't,  can probably take a guess at a few... Naismith 4, Weimann 14, Semenyo 11, Wells 21, Kalas 22, Scott 7, Benarous 18... the rest, who cares?

Naismith, Kalas, Moore, Bakinson have all been at the RHPC this week, but haven’t necessarily made it into footage.  Benarous spotted doing rehab.

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45 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Naismith, Kalas, Moore, Bakinson have all been at the RHPC this week, but haven’t necessarily made it into footage.  Benarous spotted doing rehab.

Naismith is on footage, just has no number printed on his kit.

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On 10/06/2022 at 08:28, Silvio Dante said:

I’d agree with a lot of that. Scott will go 10 - even though King has it now it’s “merited” on performances, King as p/coach is clearly not first XI and as Scott’s idol is Grealish, I’d imagine he’d be happy to take the number.

Andi will stay 14 - he’s always worn it despite being consistent first choice and no reason to suspect that changes now.

Semenyo I think will stay 18. It’s the 1+8=number 9 logic some footballers have!

was palmers 4 plus 5?

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Bear in mind just because Scott and Semenyo have been given better squad numbers (in an old fashioned sense), it has no relevance as to whether they stay or not - City has a price for each player, and if that's met then you can say "Bonjour" ?

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1 minute ago, brad blit said:

Bear in mind just because Scott and Semenyo have been given better squad numbers (in an old fashioned sense), it has no relevance as to whether they stay or not - City has a price for each player, and if that's met then you can say "Bonjour" ?

Presumably you mean ‘Au revoir’

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Most interesting part of this to me is we have left no number between 1-31 vacant at all.

Which either suggests no more signings or any new players get a high number or someone leaves & they will take that one.

Of the 4 who were told they could leave, Palmer & Moore have gone, Bakinson hasn’t been allocated one, so only Vyner has.

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2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Most interesting part of this to me is we have left no number between 1-31 vacant at all.

Which either suggests no more signings or any new players get a high number or someone leaves & they will take that one.

Of the 4 who were told they could leave, Palmer & Moore have gone, Bakinson hasn’t been allocated one, so only Vyner has.

Vyner is suitable as cover imo, but I'm talking cup games and the RARE sub on in the league. He's got a bit of something, just needs to shake the errors. But if we go into next season with Kalas, Naismith, Atkinson and Klose vying for the starting roles and Vyner and Idehen/Towler as cover I'd be happy. 

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5 minutes ago, phantom said:

Must have missed this - when did he say it out of interest?

Just before the trip to Austria - local press published the following on 24-6-22:

"Well, the only thing I will say on this one is I think I should manage people’s expectations that we don’t expect to see him in the squad this season.

“But in terms of making comments about timings or statements, you know, I’m not going to make any further comments on that but it’s very, very unlikely we’ll see him.

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1 hour ago, James54De said:

No number for Bakinson ?

May as well give him 1001, because I'm pretty sure that 1001/1 is probably the best odds you'd get on him getting anywhere near the first team squad again!

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22 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Just before the trip to Austria - local press published the following on 24-6-22:

"Well, the only thing I will say on this one is I think I should manage people’s expectations that we don’t expect to see him in the squad this season.

“But in terms of making comments about timings or statements, you know, I’m not going to make any further comments on that but it’s very, very unlikely we’ll see him.

I might be wrong but I wonder if Baker is pretty much clear about his future but is being kept under contract so he doesn't have to worry about paying his own medical costs. Perhaps also on the slim chance something might change. But, given his time at the club and he acquired his injury playing for us, it may be about our duty of care and taking responsibility for his wellbeing rather than because we expect him to play again. 

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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Most interesting part of this to me is we have left no number between 1-31 vacant at all.

Which either suggests no more signings or any new players get a high number or someone leaves & they will take that one.

Of the 4 who were told they could leave, Palmer & Moore have gone, Bakinson hasn’t been allocated one, so only Vyner has.

This occurred to me too. My reading of it is that we might get a veteran centre-back in as cover but aren't expecting too much else unless players unexpectedly move out.

Certainly I'm starting to wonder if a defensive midfielder isn't happening - which may be a decision to play 3 at the back, or that we've not been able to get the players we wanted and don't feel there's anyone out there who represents value for money. 

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Towler, Idehen, Kadji, Pearson and Owers in the squad! Will we be calling on youth even more this season, or will we be loaning some of these out. As well as the more 'established' youth of Bell and Conway.

4 goalies now- does this suggest one of them is set to move on?

Edit- Oh and Benarous of course- as part of the more 'established' youth.

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5 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I might be wrong but I wonder if Baker is pretty much clear about his future but is being kept under contract so he doesn't have to worry about paying his own medical costs. Perhaps also on the slim chance something might change. But, given his time at the club and he acquired his injury playing for us, it may be about our duty of care and taking responsibility for his wellbeing rather than because we expect him to play again. 

Yeah, id hazard a guess that an insurance cover is dependent on continued testing and medical examinations.

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1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

This occurred to me too. My reading of it is that we might get a veteran centre-back in as cover but aren't expecting too much else unless players unexpectedly move out.

Certainly I'm starting to wonder if a defensive midfielder isn't happening - which may be a decision to play 3 at the back, or that we've not been able to get the players we wanted and don't feel there's anyone out there who represents value for money. 

Plus if HNM stays, we have James, Williams, Scott, HNM, Sykes & King for central midfield already, with Benarous probably going to be back by Xmas.

Signing Wilson with Tanner as the alternative means we won’t need to play Scott there & if Weimann stayed in last season’s position when Semenyo was fit all those 6 are potentially competing for 2 places, anyway.

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46 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Plus if HNM stays, we have James, Williams, Scott, HNM, Sykes & King for central midfield already, with Benarous probably going to be back by Xmas.

Signing Wilson with Tanner as the alternative means we won’t need to play Scott there & if Weimann stayed in last season’s position when Semenyo was fit all those 6 are potentially competing for 2 places, anyway.

Yeah - that is a good point. I must admit I'm still a bit fuzzy about where Sykes is going to play. I think I'm perceiving him as a direct alternative to Weimann just behind the front two but he'd obviously be a midfield option and, even on top of the ones you mentioned, there's also Owers if he develops (and isn't on loan) and even Vyner in an absolute midfield crisis so, as you say, we've got 5 or 6 players for two places plus several more who can cover in an emergency. 

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2 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Yeah - that is a good point. I must admit I'm still a bit fuzzy about where Sykes is going to play. I think I'm perceiving him as a direct alternative to Weimann just behind the front two but he'd obviously be a midfield option and, even on top of the ones you mentioned, there's also Owers if he develops (and isn't on loan) and even Vyner in an absolute midfield crisis so, as you say, we've got 5 or 6 players for two places plus several more who can cover in an emergency. 

Based on last season i wouldnt trust king/ james/ williams to be more than the equivalent of one fully fit member if the squad. At this point massengo is still a doubt too. I think we know scott will play every game in there, if anything happens to him there is a massive problem 

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16 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Based on last season i wouldnt trust king/ james/ williams to be more than the equivalent of one fully fit member if the squad. At this point massengo is still a doubt too. I think we know scott will play every game in there, if anything happens to him there is a massive problem 

They are all currently on the payroll.

James started over 30 games last season, Williams was in the squad for more than 50% of the games, HNM featured 37 times & as I said before, Scott is freed up to play in midfield now.

Massengo isn’t a “doubt”, if he leaves then we replace him, if he stays as last season shows, he’s a viable option.

Even before we get to King (who I accept seems a last resort now) that appears to be enough to me.

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10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

They are all currently on the payroll.

James started over 30 games last season, Williams was in the squad for more than 50% of the games, HNM featured 37 times & as I said before, Scott is freed up to play in midfield now.

Massengo isn’t a “doubt”, if he leaves then we replace him, if he stays as last season shows, he’s a viable option.

Even before we get to King (who I accept seems a last resort now) that appears to be enough to me.

Will have to wait and see, but james and williams only played together a few times didnt they, and one of those they were brutally exposed. 

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4 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

This occurred to me too. My reading of it is that we might get a veteran centre-back in as cover but aren't expecting too much else unless players unexpectedly move out.

Certainly I'm starting to wonder if a defensive midfielder isn't happening - which may be a decision to play 3 at the back, or that we've not been able to get the players we wanted and don't feel there's anyone out there who represents value for money. 

Ciaran Clark just been made available by Newcastle.  Wages would be a huge hurdle obviously, but if there was deal to be made, I could see Nige considering him….same with Michael Morrison.

In an ideal world we’d have mid-age range players ready to step into the gap between TK, TK, RA, KN and the u23s Idehen and Towler….but Vyner and Moore haven’t been able to manage it.

So we are left with a problemette.

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32 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ciaran Clark just been made available by Newcastle.  Wages would be a huge hurdle obviously, but if there was deal to be made, I could see Nige considering him….same with Michael Morrison.

In an ideal world we’d have mid-age range players ready to step into the gap between TK, TK, RA, KN and the u23s Idehen and Towler….but Vyner and Moore haven’t been able to manage it.

So we are left with a problemette.

I was told that we came very close to signing Clark previously. Johnson wanted him but we couldn't get the deal completed. 

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Err, one thing that keeps getting overlooked, is 'when were we released, sold or dropped from the squad?'

Pretty sure they retired/reserved a number for "The Fans" previously as we were their 12th man.

Personally, I hope we have been sold to some European side, just so I can get a foreign passport and keep freedom of movement.

Also, I want a signing on fee. And wages. Big wages.

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4 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Err, one thing that keeps getting overlooked, is 'when were we released, sold or dropped from the squad?'

Pretty sure they retired/reserved a number for "The Fans" previously as we were their 12th man.

Personally, I hope we have been sold to some European side, just so I can get a foreign passport and keep freedom of movement.

Also, I want a signing on fee. And wages. Big wages.

Hated that 12th man crap. Cringe as ****.

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9 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

Err, one thing that keeps getting overlooked, is 'when were we released, sold or dropped from the squad?'

Pretty sure they retired/reserved a number for "The Fans" previously as we were their 12th man.

Personally, I hope we have been sold to some European side, just so I can get a foreign passport and keep freedom of movement.

Also, I want a signing on fee. And wages. Big wages.

Fair point  - I need to know who I have been transferred to so I can state I have always been a boyhood fan, dream come true etc....

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