CyderInACan Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Is this (a) a wind up or (b) vindication of his skills as an MC/DJ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 If you can’t see the tweet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 One would imagine he’s been selected for a certain reason, to make it look like Qatar are ‘changing their ways’. 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry said: One would imagine he’s been selected for a certain reason, to make it look like Qatar are ‘changing their ways’. I'm sure his sexuality is not on his CV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Is this (a) a wind up or (b) vindication of his skills as an MC/DJ? Perhaps it could become a permanent post? 5 1 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Harry said: One would imagine he’s been selected for a certain reason, to make it look like Qatar are ‘changing their ways’. You mean his high quality Mc abilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) I've replied to his tweet asking who sent the job offer tweet to him? I can't believe FIFA would offer a job via a tweet starting "Hi Ian". More likely this is the Ashton gate Sports Bar World cup party team Hopefully whoever it is, will ban him from using a 5 min White Stripes intro again Edited June 13, 2022 by NcnsBcfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Well done Downsy, hope it goes well for him. I always think it's strange that the demographic of this board think his role is aimed at them when it's clearly not. I think anyone trying to entertain people ranged from 5 to 105 are always going to find certain groups difficult to please. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 55 minutes ago, Harry said: One would imagine he’s been selected for a certain reason, to make it look like Qatar are ‘changing their ways’. That's unfair, and out of order to be honest. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifford2 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Shame its only as a DJ. Higher or Lower deserves to be on the international stage. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewisdabaron Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Harry said: One would imagine he’s been selected for a certain reason, to make it look like Qatar are ‘changing their ways’. Im sure he will be welcomed there with open arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richwwtk Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 I'm no fan of Downsy, can't stand the bloke, but it's sad to see some of the usual suspects bringing his sexuality into it for no reason whatsoever. Grow up FFS. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, richwwtk said: I'm no fan of Downsy, can't stand the bloke, but it's sad to see some of the usual suspects bringing his sexuality into it for no reason whatsoever. Grow up FFS. I think it’s to call out Qatar and it’s stance on gay rights, nothing more. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Christ - imagine the Wurzels playing at the world cup final. Come one Downsy - this is your moment 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 59 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Hopefully whoever it is, will ban him from using a 5 min White Stripes intro again He doesn't do the music at Ashton Gate so your rolled eyes are somewhat wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: He doesn't do the music at Ashton Gate so your rolled eyes are somewhat wasted. But he is a DJ. So my rolled eyes are back on again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, Gifford2 said: Shame its only as a DJ. Higher or Lower deserves to be on the international stage. That was no 'through the belly, win a telly'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: But he is a DJ. So my rolled eyes are back on again. I've heard his attempts at DJ'ing in Venga. He's definitely a radio presenter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Nothing here says it involves any travel. Could be some domestic gig he's playing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, jj77 said: I've heard his attempts at DJ'ing in Venga. He's definitely a radio presenter. That would put me right off my tapas, him doing shout outs and birthday announcements whilst I'm trying to enjoy a nice quiet meal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 A DJ is just a technician who plagiarises the work of real musicians. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, richwwtk said: I'm no fan of Downsy, can't stand the bloke, but it's sad to see some of the usual suspects bringing his sexuality into it for no reason whatsoever. Grow up FFS. tbf it is a pretty big thing if he has decided to go out there and promote the great country of Qatar whilst they have laws outlawing his sexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: Christ - imagine the Wurzels playing at the world cup final. Come one Downsy - this is your moment "Drink up thy lukewarm glass of imported Pepsi, drink up thy glass of lukewarm imported Pepsi, for tonight we'll repressive be..." 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 With luck he'll like it so much that will stay there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 FIFA appoint Downsy to be the Qatar World Cup DJ?...........Come on?.......this just has to be a wind up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: A DJ is just a technician who plagiarises the work of real musicians. He’s not even that sort of DJ. He just presses play on a laptop. I never understood the reaction when Tim Shires left the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Selred said: That's unfair, and out of order to be honest. 5 hours ago, richwwtk said: I'm no fan of Downsy, can't stand the bloke, but it's sad to see some of the usual suspects bringing his sexuality into it for no reason whatsoever. Grow up FFS. I think you misunderstand and have jumped the gun somewhat to accuse. The reason I say what I said is 100% as a point to call out Qatar. I sense they will be open to ‘welcoming’ gay people as a way of making it appear as if the awarding of the World Cup to them is allowing them to change their ways and ‘open up’ as a country. When in truth, once the World Cup is over, they won’t change a damn thing. So, don’t get overly defensive, my statement was not homophobic, it was actually designed to call out homophobia by the backwards Middle Easterners. There will clearly be a very visible facade on show for a month, before they revert to their primitive mentality immediately afterwards. 6 hours ago, Rocky said: I'm sure his sexuality is not on his CV? It’s not exactly a secret. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Harry said: I think you misunderstand and have jumped the gun somewhat to accuse. The reason I say what I said is 100% as a point to call out Qatar. I sense they will be open to ‘welcoming’ gay people as a way of making it appear as if the awarding of the World Cup to them is allowing them to change their ways and ‘open up’ as a country. When in truth, once the World Cup is over, they won’t change a damn thing. So, don’t get overly defensive, my statement was not homophobic, it was actually designed to call out homophobia by the backwards Middle Easterners. There will clearly be a very visible facade on show for a month, before they revert to their primitive mentality immediately afterwards. It’s not exactly a secret. Saying he only got the job because he ticks a box, rather than talent/hard work, is exactly what you meant. And to say that is wrong. You don’t know why or how he got the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 WTF does DJ at the World Cup do? I'm a bit beyond confused with that. He is A DJ in a stadium? Or THE DJ whatever that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blockbrowt1 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Thought building works had finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Maybe he's the WC mascot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Downsy will have been in his current role for 6 years come august. Doesn’t feel like it’s anywhere near as long as that somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Selred said: Saying he only got the job because he ticks a box, rather than talent/hard work, is exactly what you meant. And to say that is wrong. You don’t know why or how he got the job. Yes. That’s exactly what I meant. But in the sense that it is designed to fulfil a facade aimed at making Qatar appear ‘welcoming’. But it won’t change bugger all once the tournament is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Harry said: Yes. That’s exactly what I meant. But in the sense that it is designed to fulfil a facade aimed at making Qatar appear ‘welcoming’. But it won’t change bugger all once the tournament is over. You have no clue why he was offered the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Harry said: Yes. That’s exactly what I meant. But in the sense that it is designed to fulfil a facade aimed at making Qatar appear ‘welcoming’. But it won’t change bugger all once the tournament is over. Of course, and to be fair I initially thought your post was meant more hatefully than it clearly was so fair play for your explanation. But as correct as you may well be in thinking that way, the knock off in saying that it's due to ticking boxes, is that you've also essentially said there that he probably doesn't deserve the job, which in itself is a bit unfair too. Particularly considering we know sod all about it at this stage. Edited June 13, 2022 by nebristolred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Harry said: I think you misunderstand and have jumped the gun somewhat to accuse. The reason I say what I said is 100% as a point to call out Qatar. I sense they will be open to ‘welcoming’ gay people as a way of making it appear as if the awarding of the World Cup to them is allowing them to change their ways and ‘open up’ as a country. When in truth, once the World Cup is over, they won’t change a damn thing. So, don’t get overly defensive, my statement was not homophobic, it was actually designed to call out homophobia by the backwards Middle Easterners. There will clearly be a very visible facade on show for a month, before they revert to their primitive mentality immediately afterwards. I suspect you are spot on in your assessment of Qatar, and it is a good thing to call them out on it every chance you get. However, if this is indeed a job in Qatar (which doesn't exactly seem clear) then his sexuality will have had no bearing on that whatsoever. It just seems quite often that if a person is anything other than heterosexual then it is brought up in all sorts of situations where it really doesn't need to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Harry said: Yes. That’s exactly what I meant. But in the sense that it is designed to fulfil a facade aimed at making Qatar appear ‘welcoming’. But it won’t change bugger all once the tournament is over. Is it really unthinkable that a professional DJ, and an announcer at a Championship football club, and Premiership Rugby club, may actually be the most qualified person for the job? Do you know what the job is? Do you know other candidates that applied? Do you know how many jobs gay people are rejected for because their face doesn’t fit? To suggest he’s only got the job for being Gay is very shitty to be honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 There are none so blind…… If you folks taking umbridge at my opinion think that there’s not gonna be excess quota’s put in place especially for this tournament to make it appear ‘open and welcoming’ then you are either blind or wilfully ignorant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Harry said: There are none so blind…… If you folks taking umbridge at my opinion think that there’s not gonna be excess quota’s put in place especially for this tournament to make it appear ‘open and welcoming’ then you are either blind or wilfully ignorant. FWIW Harry I’ll stick my head above the parapet - I saw your comment as a different way of saying what you’ve said above World War 3 erupts and a pack jump when you say anything that’s anything that even resembles anything not in line or politically correct in their opinion Dont lose any sleep Im not sure if there will , or won’t be positioning of people for the WC but on recent evidence you’d have to be surprised if not It’s no different to the modern assembly of football presenters and pundits , if anyone thinks everyone of them is in a position because they are the best available pundit , then good luck Whatever happened to the best person regardless of sex , colour , sexual orientation , or religion etc getting the gig - Somewhat old fashioned I know , but that’s the absolute definition of ‘equal opportunities’ .........isn’t it ? Edited June 14, 2022 by Sheltons Army 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 14, 2022 Admin Share Posted June 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: FWIW Harry I’ll stick my head above the parapet - I saw your comment as a different way of saying what you’ve said above World War 3 erupts and a pack jump when you say anything that’s anything that even resembles anything not in line or politically correct in their opinion Dont lose any sleep Im not sure if there will , or won’t be positioning of people for the WC but on recent evidence you’d have to be surprised if not It’s no different to the modern assembly of football presenters and pundits , if anyone thinks everyone of them is in a position because they are the best available pundit , then good luck Whatever happened to the best person regardless of sex , colour , sexual orientation , or religion etc getting the gig - Somewhat old fashioned I know , but that’s the absolute definition of ‘equal opportunities’ .........isn’t it ? Ditto to everything that you have said above I know @Harry and know many others on here do too, for those that don't know him take my word for it he is the last person that would post something to the way many have misunderstood his post I guess part of reading something is that it can be taken out of context or not fully appreciating the tone is was written Just to add one other thing, my money is that Downsy isn't actually going to be working in Qatar, he would be outsourced by some entertainment company doing corporate work rather than working for FIFA etc He isn't my cup of tea what he does on a matchday, but clearly there are those that do appreciate and like what he does for the football and rugby clubs, reading some of the comments they are a bit personal, but we are all entitled to our opinion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, phantom said: I know @Harry and know many others on here do too, for those that don't know him take my word for it he is the last person that would post something to the way many have misunderstood his post He is saying Downsy only got the job because he's gay. Not because he's the most talented. That is unfair, he does not know this at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 31 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: FWIW Harry I’ll stick my head above the parapet - I saw your comment as a different way of saying what you’ve said above World War 3 erupts and a pack jump when you say anything that’s anything that even resembles anything not in line or politically correct in their opinion Dont lose any sleep Im not sure if there will , or won’t be positioning of people for the WC but on recent evidence you’d have to be surprised if not It’s no different to the modern assembly of football presenters and pundits , if anyone thinks everyone of them is in a position because they are the best available pundit , then good luck Whatever happened to the best person regardless of sex , colour , sexual orientation , or religion etc getting the gig - Somewhat old fashioned I know , but that’s the absolute definition of ‘equal opportunities’ .........isn’t it ? The problem is though that whenever anyone who isn't a straight while man gets a job people immediately assume it's probably because of some other characteristic. That's not fair, or right. Maybe they interviewed him and he was the best for the job - nobody here has any idea either way. People are speculating they hired him because he was gay, based off ANOTHER speculation that they want to see "open" by hiring more gay people. That's ridiculous. Assumptions on assumptions. It's nothing about "world war 3", packs, and sticking heads over parapets, don't be so dramatic. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted June 14, 2022 Admin Share Posted June 14, 2022 55 minutes ago, Selred said: He is saying Downsy only got the job because he's gay. Not because he's the most talented. That is unfair, he does not know this at all. I guess to be pedantic nobody can say either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, phantom said: I guess to be pedantic nobody can say either way Exactly. So why not take the route of not being a dick. What has Harry benefitted from saying that? Downsy could come this forum, and feel rather shit from reading Harry’s post to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 59 minutes ago, IAmNick said: The problem is though that whenever anyone who isn't a straight while man gets a job people immediately assume it's probably because of some other characteristic. That's not fair, or right. But many people know that a huge chunk of people are in their jobs when they are not the best people for the job. If certain Organisations openly promote positive discrimination, what are people meant to think when certain people who seem to be generally poor get the job? That even goes for the likes of plenty of white straight men like Michal Owen when he had a stint on BT, awful, he didn't get it because he was the best person for the job. There won't be many who wouldn't want Michelle Owen doing the same job because she is very good. Do you think all of the people on Sky Sports, Soccer Saturday, Sky News, Sky Cricket, Sky Motorsport etc etc all got their jobs for being the best there was? Honestly? I mean Sky News never hire the more easy on the eye women do they, year after year, but they only want equality.... Do you think the BBC get on the most popular comedians on their panel shows, or do they get on comedians that tick all their boxes - whilst viewing figures tank? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) If he got the job by being the best candidate, I can only assume that nobody else applied. (The job at AG, I'm talking about) Edited June 14, 2022 by AppyDAZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Selred said: Exactly. So why not take the route of not being a dick. What has Harry benefitted from saying that? Downsy could come this forum, and feel rather shit from reading Harry’s post to be honest. He wasn't being a dick, he was just saying what he thought and clarified his position. Have you never said anything directly to anyone on here that may make them "feel rather shit" from reading your post then? You know like calling someone a dick? Why haven't you took Harrys feelings into it? You are basically doing the same thing that you are accusing him of aren't you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheReds said: He wasn't being a dick, he was just saying what he thought and clarified his position. Have you never said anything directly to anyone on here that may make them "feel rather shit" from reading your post then? You know like calling someone a dick? Why haven't you took Harrys feelings into it? You are basically doing the same thing that you are accusing him of aren't you? Nope, I believe saying someone only gets a job because they tick a box, with no proof of that, is a dick move. Why say anything at all? What is there to gain from saying it? Harry posting that, is proof, of him being a dick. I'm calling him out, so moving forward he doesn't just belittle peoples good news without good reason. That's the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Selred said: Nope, I believe saying someone only gets a job because they tick a box, with no proof of that, is a dick move. Why say anything at all? What is there to gain from saying it? Harry posting that, is proof, of him being a dick. I'm calling him out, so moving forward he doesn't just belittle peoples good news without good reason. That's the difference. Just calling it as I see it. As I’ve quantified. I personally have no objection to anyone of any sexuality filling this role. I’m just pointing out that this Qatar World Cup will be prime estate for putting on a show of equality, but they’ll revert to type once it’s over. If that maketh me a dick, then a dick I be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, Selred said: Nope, I believe saying someone only gets a job because they tick a box, with no proof of that, is a dick move. Why say anything at all? What is there to gain from saying it? Harry posting that, is proof, of him being a dick. I'm calling him out, so moving forward he doesn't just belittle peoples good news without good reason. That's the difference. How does anyone get any proof that they got a job because they ticked a box? They cannot, but anyone can still believe or think they did and post that if they want to, it is just an opinion, you may not like it but that's tough. Does everyone need proof of everything they post on here when they say "I think......" or is it only when it comes to ticking boxes? He has clarified exactly what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Selred said: Exactly. So why not take the route of not being a dick. What has Harry benefitted from saying that? Downsy could come this forum, and feel rather shit from reading Harry’s post to be honest. From what he said to me last time I spoke to him, I imagine he avoids this place like the plague. He knows the consensus of opinion of those who shout loudest on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: From what he said to me last time I spoke to him, I imagine he avoids this place like the plague. He knows the consensus of opinion of those who shout loudest on here. To be fair to him I don’t blame him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 On 13/06/2022 at 18:01, Harry said: I think you misunderstand and have jumped the gun somewhat to accuse. The reason I say what I said is 100% as a point to call out Qatar. I sense they will be open to ‘welcoming’ gay people as a way of making it appear as if the awarding of the World Cup to them is allowing them to change their ways and ‘open up’ as a country. When in truth, once the World Cup is over, they won’t change a damn thing. So, don’t get overly defensive, my statement was not homophobic, it was actually designed to call out homophobia by the backwards Middle Easterners. There will clearly be a very visible facade on show for a month, before they revert to their primitive mentality immediately afterwards. It’s not exactly a secret. That's how I see it...however...why would he apply for the job? Why would you want to support a regime that has the death penalty for his sexuality? Makes no sense to me. Same for women who want to flock to Dubai. They treat woman like second class citizens. Why support a regime like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, spudski said: That's how I see it...however...why would he apply for the job? Why would you want to support a regime that has the death penalty for his sexuality? Makes no sense to me. Same for women who want to flock to Dubai. They treat woman like second class citizens. Why support a regime like that? It's a point of view that I can share, but maybe he's not very political and sees it as a once in a lifetime career opportunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: It's a point of view that I can share, but maybe he's not very political and sees it as a once in a lifetime career opportunity? So selling your principles for money then... Humanitarian rather than political imo Edited June 14, 2022 by spudski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, spudski said: So selling your principles for money then... Humanitarian rather than political imo Well he's in good company there, he didn't choose for the WC to be there and he hasn't had any influence on any of the countries who have agreed to attend. Bit much suggesting he is only one with no principles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Well he's in good company there, he didn't choose for the WC to be there and he hasn't had any influence on any of the countries who have agreed to attend. Bit much suggesting he is only one with no principles I agree... however...he's an individual. He can make educated decisions. We have no idea of his reasons for going. However...support that country by working for them...knowing their policies...then he has absolute no standing in future when supporting all inclusivity in this country. If you have principles...you stick to them. You don't break them...just because others have and it may pay well etc. Sorry...lost my respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, spudski said: I agree... however...he's an individual. He can make educated decisions. We have no idea of his reasons for going. However...support that country by working for them...knowing their policies...then he has absolute no standing in future when supporting all inclusivity in this country. If you have principles...you stick to them. You don't break them...just because others have and it may pay well etc. Sorry...lost my respect. Not working for Qatar though, he is working for FIFA in Qatar, which admittedly opens a whole different can of worms. But then we are all slighted tainted by FIFA and their dubious morals just be following football. Maybe he thinks the way that some famous sports people and celebrities have felt about other countries like South Africa, that one way of changing things is to mix with and show them a different way? It's not really an approach I agree with, but I know that there are many who do. I also suspect that Downsy may not have had your respect before anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Unless i'm missing something.... Has Downsey actually confirmed yet who is going to be working for/where he will be working. I saw the tweet when it first came out, and asked the question whether it was actually from FIFA or not? Still no clearer that it isn't working for another organisation. Apologies if I've missed the clarification. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Not working for Qatar though, he is working for FIFA in Qatar, which admittedly opens a whole different can of worms. But then we are all slighted tainted by FIFA and their dubious morals just be following football. Maybe he thinks the way that some famous sports people and celebrities have felt about other countries like South Africa, that one way of changing things is to mix with and show them a different way? It's not really an approach I agree with, but I know that there are many who do. I also suspect that Downsy may not have had your respect before anyway. Do people actually think the way you suggest? I suspect it's more to do with money, self promotion etc. The world, it's governments, big businesses etc...all full of hypocrisy. Full of do good ideas...but when money comes into the equation...it's out the window. I don't know enough about Downey to really have an opinion on him. Respect or not...his sexual preference has the death penalty in the country he has chosen to work in. He's ' supporting' that system and idealogy by doing that. He's supporting that vile country...yet I suspect will support everything in trying to make this country all inclusive...yet...we are probably one of the most tolerant and all inclusive countries in the world. Sorry ...but it stinks of hypocrisy. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 hours ago, TheReds said: But many people know that a huge chunk of people are in their jobs when they are not the best people for the job. If certain Organisations openly promote positive discrimination, what are people meant to think when certain people who seem to be generally poor get the job? That even goes for the likes of plenty of white straight men like Michal Owen when he had a stint on BT, awful, he didn't get it because he was the best person for the job. There won't be many who wouldn't want Michelle Owen doing the same job because she is very good. Do you think all of the people on Sky Sports, Soccer Saturday, Sky News, Sky Cricket, Sky Motorsport etc etc all got their jobs for being the best there was? Honestly? I mean Sky News never hire the more easy on the eye women do they, year after year, but they only want equality.... Do you think the BBC get on the most popular comedians on their panel shows, or do they get on comedians that tick all their boxes - whilst viewing figures tank? Of course people are in their jobs who aren't the best - that probably goes for most jobs in fact! The best person being in the best job for them is actually pretty unusual. For the record as well, positive discrimination is illegal. If you hire someone based off a protected characteristic you're breaking the law, just like if you don't hire them for that reason. Does it happen sometimes? Well, of course. Just look at how many of our politicians went to Eton and Oxbridge for gods sake but weirdly most (not all!) people bringing it up don't get so bothered by that. Hmm. Anyway, nobody has said all the people on TV get their jobs for being the best there are though - but that also doesn't mean that all people who are gay or black or whatever got their job for that reason. That's why I think it's unfair and presumptuous to assume it. "They're gay so that must be why they got the job, because I don't like them". That's not fair. I also think that in entertainment, as with your comedy example, it's subjective isn't it - lots of people do probably find people on TV funny who I don't. I bloody hate Jimmy Carr for example, but if he were gay I wouldn't assume that's why he was getting gigs. I just accept lots of people do like them, as they have different taste from me. Does positive discrimination occur sometimes? Of course. Is it as widespread as some people want to make out it is? No - and I'd say it's intentionally stirred up by some folk (nobody on here, to be absolutely clear) for nefarious reasons. Do I think it weird that the first thought in some people's mind when someone gets hired is "Oh look they're gay/black/muslim/<whatever>"? Absolutely! Downsy isn't my cup of tea, In fact I find him overly excitable and to be honest pretty annoying, but I'm sure he's a decent bloke and I hope if he is going to Qatar it works out well for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, spudski said: The world, it's governments, big businesses etc...all full of hypocrisy. This, along with plenty of others on here who pick and choose when to be backing the "right thing" at the time, until it may affect them then they don't say a word.... Just have a look at big business Social Media accounts with their rainbow Pride month badges and statuses, then look at the same companies with their Middle East social media accounts - not a rainbow in sight. It's as if they are a bunch of hypocrites, but they still seem to get a free pass for their "equality for all" stance. They should be doing it the opposite way around, but that will never happen as it will hit them in their pockets from both sides. They are all for equality until it doesn't suit their own business models. They should put *Terms and Conditions apply* (as someone else put on here), after every pathetic virtue signalling statement they put out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I think a lot of people still remember Downsy from his first few matches, where his tone of address was more that of a hype-man than that of a match day announcer. He changed his pitch and I think he does a reasonable job of trying to be all things to all people. There with the team news and being enthusiastic with younger supporters. No one person is going to please everyone, but it is reasonable to say he has done a good job in BS3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, TheReds said: This, along with plenty of others on here who pick and choose when to be backing the "right thing" at the time, until it may affect them then they don't say a word.... Just have a look at big business Social Media accounts with their rainbow Pride month badges and statuses, then look at the same companies with their Middle East social media accounts - not a rainbow in sight. It's as if they are a bunch of hypocrites, but they still seem to get a free pass for their "equality for all" stance. They should be doing it the opposite way around, but that will never happen as it will hit them in their pockets from both sides. They are all for equality until it doesn't suit their own business models. They should put *Terms and Conditions apply* (as someone else put on here), after every pathetic virtue signalling statement they put out. I couldn't agree more...most of it is ' Symbolic'. Sadly many side with politics rather than humanitarian aspects. It's so obvious on here especially. The world system is broke. Sadly trying to live away from the ' system' is nigh on impossible. It's the system and how we live our lives that needs to change for a better future. Trying to implement better actions in this world system is fruitless...waste of time and energy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I can guarantee he was not the best candidate to apply for the job. Either way, good luck to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 This is a surreal thread based on a surreal claim. Just to calm it all down a bit, FIFA has a huge amount of branding rules which include requiring their sponsors and other “partners” to always refer to a specific tournament with the hosting country as part of the given name (which is designed to be a perpetual marketing benefit to the host nation). As such FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 is just a name. An email to Downsy about being selected for FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 is not the same thing as being selected to be at the World Cup IN Qatar. Plenty of people in the UK will have roles linked to “FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022”. I’d have thought the most logical thing is he is DJing a sponsor fan park in Bristol or a slot on an official tournament internet radio. And if this isn’t surreal and he is going to Qatar then good luck to him - hopefully the slaves and bonded labour didn’t die for nothing building stadiums and they put in a better sound system than the Dolman. Stadium announcers at FIFA/UEFA tournaments just play Shaggy, mention FIFA and sponsors all the time and then start a countdown for kick off. *cringe* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 13 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: I think a lot of people still remember Downsy from his first few matches, where his tone of address was more that of a hype-man than that of a match day announcer. He changed his pitch and I think he does a reasonable job of trying to be all things to all people. There with the team news and being enthusiastic with younger supporters. No one person is going to please everyone, but it is reasonable to say he has done a good job in BS3. I don't think he is that good at what he does. But my main gripe isn't with him, it's the extra 'fluff' we have to put up with at matches over the past few years. Even the music can get switched off as far as I'm concerned. The only bit I like is the Galvanise count down video, which I think is excellent, just before the start. Saying that I still don't like the polite handshake line up by the players, so much better when they ran out of the tunnel to a roar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, RedM said: I don't think he is that good at what he does. But my main gripe isn't with him, it's the extra 'fluff' we have to put up with at matches over the past few years. Even the music can get switched off as far as I'm concerned. The only bit I like is the Galvanise count down video, which I think is excellent, just before the start. Saying that I still don't like the polite handshake line up by the players, so much better when they ran out of the tunnel to a roar. The running out, ready for battle was, like you say, much better than the handshake and all the pomp that now goes on pre game. But under what other circumstances can you justify charging a well meaning parent £££££ so their little one can be a mascot? The game has changed a bit, back in my youth, a lobbed roll of shit-tickets and confetti from a complimentary copy of the Evening Post was all we needed to signify 'game on', these days it's a video countdown, it's goals, it's a crazy PA system that chooses to share its sound with the select few and as for Mike Lewis telling us about a quiz up the BAWA... Forget it. Is it better, is it worse? Not for me to decide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: The running out, ready for battle was, like you say, much better than the handshake and all the pomp that now goes on pre game. But under what other circumstances can you justify charging a well meaning parent £££££ so their little one can be a mascot? The game has changed a bit, back in my youth, a lobbed roll of shit-tickets and confetti from a complimentary copy of the Evening Post was all we needed to signify 'game on', these days it's a video countdown, it's goals, it's a crazy PA system that chooses to share its sound with the select few and as for Mike Lewis telling us about a quiz up the BAWA... Forget it. Is it better, is it worse? Not for me to decide. Best off doing as I do and take your seat at 2:59pm and miss all the confected nonsense. And leave at 4:40pm when we're 3-0 down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Best off doing as I do and take your seat at 2:59pm and miss all the confected nonsense. And leave at 4:40pm when we're 3-0 down. It's the Dolman way! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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