SecretSam Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) ...and writhing round on the pitch following a slight tap, consider that in yesterday's Tour de France stage, Primoz Roglic crashed, dislocating his shoulder, popped it back in by the side of the road and then finished the stage (another 50km or so). Edited July 7, 2022 by SecretSam "writhing" 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Howard Pritchard, did his shoulder badly against hereford, in the semis. Nasty fall that was, he jumped up played on thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, SecretSam said: ...and writhing round on the pitch following a slight tap, consider that in yesterday's Tour de France stage, Primoz Roglic crashed, dislocating his shoulder, popped it back in by the side of the road and then finished the stage (another 50km or so). Pussy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 56 minutes ago, SecretSam said: ...and writhing round on the pitch following a slight tap, consider that in yesterday's Tour de France stage, Primoz Roglic crashed, dislocating his shoulder, popped it back in by the side of the road and then finished the stage (another 50km or so). Those guys are really hard core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Those guys are really hard core. It's the steroids pumping round their veins.. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 This is a bit of a lazy trope, isn’t it? There are clearly footballers who roll around on the floor making out they are injured when they aren’t. Neymar is the most obvious example, he’s a cheat. But as I recall Nathan Baker got stick on here for making too much of injuries & going off the pitch at the drop of a hat & look how that one turned out. Fair play too for maintaining interest in something that has been blatantly riddled with huge numbers of drug cheats, by the way. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, The Bard said: It's the steroids pumping round their veins.. That’s undoubtedly a factor. I just didn’t want to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, The Bard said: It's the steroids pumping round their veins.. nothing to see here - just unfounded rumours - although I think the scrutineers might want to check the bike for illegal substances! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 36 minutes ago, GrahamC said: This is a bit of a lazy trope, isn’t it? There are clearly footballers who roll around on the floor making out they are injured when they aren’t. Neymar is the most obvious example, he’s a cheat. But as I recall Nathan Baker got stick on here for making too much of injuries & going off the pitch at the drop of a hat & look how that one turned out. Fair play too for maintaining interest in something that has been blatantly riddled with huge numbers of drug cheats, by the way. To add to your point, it's a bit of a pointless comparison IMHO, there is no advantage to exacerbating an injury in cycling, obviously teams get a massive advantage from from the opposition getting a red card. You have to look at the motivation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBris_Southstand Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Fair play too for maintaining interest in something that has been blatantly riddled with huge numbers of drug cheats, by the way. You think that football doesn't have similar issues? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Pezo said: To add to your point, it's a bit of a pointless comparison IMHO, there is no advantage to exacerbating an injury in cycling, obviously teams get a massive advantage from from the opposition getting a red card. You have to look at the motivation. I watched the ladies football last night, and thoroughly enjoyed it. They were all professionals...some semi maybe on the Austrian side??? representing their countries, and none of them seemed to feel the need to shout, scream and roll about in pathetic agony in order to gain any sort of advantage. It was a breath of fresh air...the way the game should be played! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 I forget the match but for some reason I was sitting lower Williams (rare event) near the Open End when Baird got clattered right in front of us. He didn't move and looked in pain. My colleague accused him of feigning and being soft. Buster F trundled on, fiddled around with a sponge for a few moments then pulled Baird into a sitting position, slapped him hard a couple of times on the back encouraging him to get up. Baird played on though visibly struggled. Later that evening Baird went to A&E coughing blood and struggling for breath, two broken ribs having punctured his lung. I'm not sure how good a cyclist he was.... 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, 42nite said: I watched the ladies football .....They were all professionals...some semi maybe on the Austrian side??? Probably transgender then. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: I forget the match but for some reason I was sitting lower Williams (rare event) near the Open End when Baird got clattered right in front of us. He didn't move and looked in pain. My colleague accused him of feigning and being soft. Buster F trundled on, fiddled around with a sponge for a few moments then pulled Baird into a sitting position, slapped him hard a couple of times on the back encouraging him to get up. Baird played on though visibly struggled. Later that evening Baird went to A&E coughing blood and struggling for breath, two broken ribs having punctured his lung. I'm not sure how good a cyclist he was.... Others will have a better memory of this but I think it was a Wolves - West Brom game on the tv where a WBA player went down injured and was given huge stick by the Wolves fans. He got treated on the sidelines and when he hobbled back on the WOlves fans went ballistic, a minute later he went down again and come off for good. Turned out he had broken his leg. It also reminded me of this from the late lamented HTFC-World cartoon match reports. Edited July 7, 2022 by Port Said Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Can recall, lavin going down, infront the millwall fans at ours. They were going mental, and he got carried off, dont think he ever played again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, 42nite said: I watched the ladies football last night, and thoroughly enjoyed it. They were all professionals...some semi maybe on the Austrian side??? representing their countries, and none of them seemed to feel the need to shout, scream and roll about in pathetic agony in order to gain any sort of advantage. It was a breath of fresh air...the way the game should be played! Unlike the women's world cup in 2019 which had several unsavoury incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, 42nite said: I watched the ladies football last night, and thoroughly enjoyed it. They were all professionals...some semi maybe on the Austrian side??? representing their countries, and none of them seemed to feel the need to shout, scream and roll about in pathetic agony in order to gain any sort of advantage. It was a breath of fresh air...the way the game should be played! 9 minutes ago, Packman said: Unlike the women's world cup in 2019 which had several unsavoury incidents. Women's football has been known for unsavoury incidents in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Pezo said: To add to your point, it's a bit of a pointless comparison IMHO, there is no advantage to exacerbating an injury in cycling, obviously teams get a massive advantage from from the opposition getting a red card. You have to look at the motivation. Spot on. Footballer's don't go down easily "because they're big softies", they go down easily to make it clear to an official that they've been fouled, and to try and win a free kick/penalty for their team. In some cases, they stay down to exaggerate the injury such that the opponent receives a more severe punishment. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Supersonic Robin said: Spot on. Footballer's don't go down easily "because they're big softies", they go down easily to make it clear to an official that they've been fouled, and to try and win a free kick/penalty for their team. In some cases, they stay down to exaggerate the injury such that the opponent receives a more severe punishment. Exactly that, I don’t like that they have to do it, and I’d like to think that they don’t like doing it either, but it’s where we are in the game unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 hours ago, SecretSam said: ...and writhing round on the pitch following a slight tap, consider that in yesterday's Tour de France stage, Primoz Roglic crashed, dislocating his shoulder, popped it back in by the side of the road and then finished the stage (another 50km or so). There's nothing to be gained from a Tour de France cyclist making a meal of an injury. It's suck it up or quit. I get the point you're making but there's rare instances of players breaking bones and playing on. I don't know if that should be glorified if it causes long lasting damage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 hours ago, SecretSam said: ...and writhing round on the pitch following a slight tap, consider that in yesterday's Tour de France stage, Primoz Roglic crashed, dislocating his shoulder, popped it back in by the side of the road and then finished the stage (another 50km or so). Because a footballer has never had their shoulder dislocated and popped back in, to continue playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, James54De said: Because a footballer has never had their shoulder dislocated and popped back in, to continue playing. One thinks of Bryan Robson, in a World Cup. And then Terry Butcher, bloodied and bandaged. Bert Trautmann, etc etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: Spot on. Footballer's don't go down easily "because they're big softies", they go down easily to make it clear to an official that they've been fouled, and to try and win a free kick/penalty for their team. In some cases, they stay down to exaggerate the injury such that the opponent receives a more severe punishment. As our greatest pundits say "they felt a touch so were entitled to go down." (Usually in the penalty area!) I agree with you but some do fall over very easily. Who can remember that notable match against Rotherham when Halford? stayed down for 10 minutes until Warnock came on and kicked him til he got up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 A player called halford. On a cycling thread gol to be a joke in there somewhere7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Midred said: As our greatest pundits say "they felt a touch so were entitled to go down." (Usually in the penalty area!) I agree with you but some do fall over very easily. Who can remember that notable match against Rotherham when Halford? stayed down for 10 minutes until Warnock came on and kicked him til he got up! I think there’s 2 elements to it, when players are moving at speed it doesn’t take much to take them down - look at a tap tackle in rugby for example. Theres also, as said before, the idea that a ref won’t give something unless you “go down”. I’ve had that debate with players and refs alike - and generally you’ll never agree. The most frustrating scenario for me is when a player is about to shoot, or goes past the last defender and is impeded so they are off balance when they shoot - some will say he’s got his shot away, but if his shot has been impeded it’s a foul, it should be pulled back but rarely is. So are you better off “going down” and taking a free kick or penalty or getting your off balance shot away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: A player called halford. On a cycling thread gol to be a joke in there somewhere7 You are going to be saddled with cycling puns now - will we ever tyre of puns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, downendcity said: You are going to be saddled with cycling puns now - will we ever tyre of puns? Not they’re bespoke……….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 11 hours ago, GrahamC said: This is a bit of a lazy trope, isn’t it? And yet... Fair play too for maintaining interest in something that has been blatantly riddled with huge numbers of drug cheats, by the way. "Lazy trope", before using a lazy trope. Pro cyclists are probably the most tested athletes in sport...footballers, not so much. Back in the day, sure, drugs a-plenty. But none that would help you deal with a dislocated shoulder...from which, incidentally, I am currently recovering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Bristol Oil Services said: One thinks of Bryan Robson, in a World Cup. And then Terry Butcher, bloodied and bandaged. Bert Trautmann, etc etc Or Geraint Thomas, riding most of the Tour de France with a fractured pelvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, SecretSam said: "Lazy trope", before using a lazy trope. Pro cyclists are probably the most tested athletes in sport...footballers, not so much. Back in the day, sure, drugs a-plenty. But none that would help you deal with a dislocated shoulder...from which, incidentally, I am currently recovering. You honestly believe that cycling is clean now, do you? I wanted to believe that after being there to see Wiggins win the Olympic gold & Froome win the TDF & to think that Brailsford was simply a managerial genius, but I know how that all turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransferForum Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Can’t compare an individual sport where if you don’t get up you don’t win to a team sport where if you don’t get treatment you might lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep the Faith Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: You honestly believe that cycling is clean now, do you? I wanted to believe that after being there to see Wiggins win the Olympic gold & Froome win the TDF & to think that Brailsford was simply a managerial genius, but I know how that all turned out. There were some interesting views from French cyclist Thibaut Pinot recently on Rafael Nadal and how he manages his injuries through regular injections to numb pain, a treatment which is banned in cycling because of the potential performance enhancement. Lots of people saying Nadal is a hero for playing through the pain but effectively he is taking injections to enhance performance. Everyone knows the issues cycling has had with drugs and it is almost certainly not clean now but more so than it used to be. It is definitely a physically brutal sport and they can certainly suffer more than most! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 hour ago, TransferForum said: Can’t compare an individual sport where if you don’t get up you don’t win to a team sport where if you don’t get treatment you might lose Cycling is very much a team sport, certainly in the major races. In the Tour there aren't 198 riders all racing each other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 10 hours ago, GrahamC said: You honestly believe that cycling is clean now, do you? I wanted to believe that after being there to see Wiggins win the Olympic gold & Froome win the TDF & to think that Brailsford was simply a managerial genius, but I know how that all turned out. Did I say it was "clean"? Absolutely not, no sport is. There are still plenty of riders being caught, beyond the headline issues splashed across the mainstream press (which is understandably most people's only point of reference). Compared to the '90s and early '00s, the EPO years, the sport is much better now. The level of doping in cycling (typically focused on performance) still doesn't stop a dislocated shoulder being an astonishingly painful injury. Nor does it mean that footballer's histrionics is any less pathetic. Incidentally, the drugs taken by Sky were legal under their TUEs. Dodgy AF, but still technically allowed. And the Froome Ventolin scandal was comprehensively proven to offer no performance benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 8 hours ago, Frenchay Red said: Cycling is very much a team sport, certainly in the major races. In the Tour there aren't 198 riders all racing each other I think it's 176 in the men's Tour (8 man teams), but hey. And let's not get into the labyrinthine complexity of Grand Tour races and tactics...truly worse than cricket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, SecretSam said: I think it's 176 in the men's Tour (8 man teams), but hey. And let's not get into the labyrinthine complexity of Grand Tour races and tactics...truly worse than cricket! Thanks, my mistake. Always used to be 22 x 9 teams (that's my excuse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 18 hours ago, SecretSam said: Or Geraint Thomas, riding most of the Tour de France with a fractured pelvis. Well, he's not going to walk home, is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 07/07/2022 at 09:33, 42nite said: I watched the ladies football last night, and thoroughly enjoyed it. They were all professionals...some semi maybe on the Austrian side??? representing their countries, and none of them seemed to feel the need to shout, scream and roll about in pathetic agony in order to gain any sort of advantage. It was a breath of fresh air...the way the game should be played! Lovely dive in the England game tonight to win a pen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 What sort of muppet, when good enough to be competing in the tour de France, has a crash on their push bike..?! F'ing cyclists..! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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