Barca…

[formerly known as ivan]

Correct me if I’m wrong but were they not on the brink of financial ruin? Yet somehow are managing to signing everyone they want?

Bayern manager has mentioned this also. How is this possible???

[Atyeo's lift]

By borrowing against future revenue and hoping for a revival of the Super League to bail them out.

[phantom]

10 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but were they not on the brink of financial ruin? Yet somehow are managing to signing everyone they want?

Bayern manager has mentioned this also. How is this possible???

HOW BARCELONA PLAN TO REGISTER THEIR NEW SIGNINGS

 

By Josh Barker Published: July 16, 2022 10:44 pm

An insight into how Barcelona have managed to afford their summer spending spree has been provided.

La Blaugrana have been in financial peril for some time, meaning they could not renew Lionel Messi’s contract last year.

However, this has not stopped them splashing the cash so far this summer.

Barcelona have signed both Andreas Christensen and Franck Kessie to big contracts. Such moves were followed by the club agreeing a transfer fee of up to €67m with Leeds United for Raphinha, and then signing Ousmane Dembele, whose previous deal ran out in June, to a fresh contract until 2024.

Barcelona are seemingly not stopping there, though. News emerged on Friday that the Catalans are advancing towards an agreement with Bayern Munich for Robert Lewandowski, with a transfer fee of between €40-50m being touted on top of some likely hefty wages.

But how can Barcelona afford to sign all of these big-name players?

Well, as per Barca Universal, the activation of the first economic lever following the sale of 10% of the club’s TV rights eased some burden for Barcelona.

In addition, the club are in negotiations to activate the second lever by selling the remaining 15% of TV rights to Sixth Street. Such a move could hand the Blaugrana a financial boost worth around €330m.

However, Toni Juanmarti reports that triggering the second economic lever will likely not allow Barca to register all of their new players without an element of risk.

In turn, it is expected that player sales will be key for everything to go smoothly.

Among the names on the proverbial chopping block are Frenkie de Jong, Samuel Umtiti, Riqui Puig, Martin Braithwaite and Oscar Mingueza

TAKEN FROM : https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/transfers/revealed-how-barcelona-plan-to-register-their-new-signings/

[Redinthehead]

Madness, selling off one of your biggest income streams seems very very short term if that’s what they are planning. 

[ExiledAjax]

It's similar to what Leeds did at the turn of the century. There they borrowed against future gate receipts, in particular those anticipated from Champions League games. We know how well that went for Leeds.

Now, it is similar, but it isn't exactly the same. I'm not predicting a 20 year decline, insolvency, and relegation to the Segunda for Barca. However, they might be wise to heed the warning if history. They won't, they'll say they're different, mes que un club and all that. That will likely prove stupid.

But hey, at least their fans get to see Lewandowski's senile years.

Edited July 20, 2022 by ExiledAjax

[Sir Geoff]

As the article says they can sign all the players they want but at the moment can't register them to play. I think I heard somewhere that they have to raise 3 million for every million they are permitted to spend. Really hope De Jong deal falls through as that would truly mess with their plans.

[Simon bristol]

52 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

As the article says they can sign all the players they want but at the moment can't register them to play. I think I heard somewhere that they have to raise 3 million for every million they are permitted to spend. Really hope De Jong deal falls through as that would truly mess with their plans.

Barca is my second team so i try to keep updated on what’s happening there. That 3/1 rules appears to have ended once the tv and merch deals were confirmed, so thats not a concern anymore. 
 

what is a concern is that as soon as the debt position is eased they are going out and signing a albeit great 33 year old striker for 50 million or so, and raphinna from leeds for around 60 with kounde from seville still to come in. Wages are starting to come down, dembele was renewed for significantly less than he was on,  but this all seems like spending the neymar money all over again and thats what ruined them last time… and they still want to take out another billion to upgrade the noucamp, which despite it being iconic is really starting to look grotty!!! The museum and visitors facilities are great but the toilets for ordinary fans havent been touched in 40 years!

[East Londoner]

I assume La Liga have remained silent as they only comment on other countries clubs spending money they shouldn’t 

[Sir Geoff]

4 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Barca is my second team so i try to keep updated on what’s happening there. That 3/1 rules appears to have ended once the tv and merch deals were confirmed, so thats not a concern anymore. 
 

what is a concern is that as soon as the debt position is eased they are going out and signing a albeit great 33 year old striker for 50 million or so, and raphinna from leeds for around 60 with kounde from seville still to come in. Wages are starting to come down, dembele was renewed for significantly less than he was on,  but this all seems like spending the neymar money all over again and thats what ruined them last time… and they still want to take out another billion to upgrade the noucamp, which despite it being iconic is really starting to look grotty!!! The museum and visitors facilities are great but the toilets for ordinary fans havent been touched in 40 years!

Not to mention the deferred wages owed to De Jong and I assume other players too. Personally don't understand what the attraction was for Lewondoski in signing for Barca.

[Betty Swallocks]

12 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Not to mention the deferred wages owed to De Jong and I assume other players too. Personally don't understand what the attraction was for Lewondoski in signing for Barca.

A 4 year deal at his age certainly would have been attractive to him. 

[chinapig]

20 minutes ago, East Londoner said:

I assume La Liga have remained silent as they only comment on other countries clubs spending money they shouldn’t 

FFP is not concerned with cumulative debt. LA Liga is actually much tougher on how much a club can spend in a season than the Premier League though.

Before a new season begins, each club in La Liga submits financial data on its estimated revenue and spending that is then analysed by a team of financial experts before setting a club’s maximum allowed spend for the season. So the controls are in advance not retrospective as they are in England. Can you imagine the Premier League telling Man City in advance that there is a limit on how much they can spend?

Which is why Barca need to get players out to reduce their wage bill before they can register new players. The criticism they deserve in this context is particularly that they are trying to force de Jong out without paying him the £17m they allegedly owe him.

The Premier League's attitude meanwhile is basically "yeah, whatever". For instance assuming they haven't dropped it without telling anyone their "investigation" into Man City has been going on for over 3 years.

So La Liga is far from perfect but the PL still lags behind on controlling spending.

[TBW]

Kicking the can down the road.

[The Batman]

 

19 mins long but got a slightly better understanding. 

Re lewandowski, All well and good signing on £400k a week for 4 years but if they go under in 2, he and the rest of the players are just awaiting cents on the euro. Course they'll be snapped up again by other clubs so he's not missing out really. 

[Bris Red]

16 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but were they not on the brink of financial ruin? Yet somehow are managing to signing everyone they want?

Bayern manager has mentioned this also. How is this possible???

Never would usually want to see a football club go to the wall but I genuinely hope it happens to Barcelona - i absolutely despise both them and Real.

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Betty Swallocks said:

A 4 year deal at his age certainly would have been attractive to him. 

Not if he can't play. Also Barca are a spent force. I'm sure he could have done just as well for himself (financially) at another top club

[ExiledAjax]

6-0 win for Barca the other night against the mighty and storied Inter Miami. Exceptional nepotism on display there as well.

[Simon bristol]

5 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Not if he can't play. Also Barca are a spent force. I'm sure he could have done just as well for himself (financially) at another top club

Barca arent a spent force, once messi iniesta and xavi left with busquets and pique also winding down it was always an impossible job to replace them. But pedri ansu and gavi are the next generation, and will only get better and there are others too. They will be in the top 3 in la liga and in the champions league again. They have made some decent signings this summer but still have a lot of poor players on big salaries still on the books, kinda like us!

personal feelings aside re lewandowski, there are a handful of the really top clubs in the world. By any standards barcelona is one of them, lewandowski wanting to give that a try before he retires is reasonable, the same if it was real madrid, juventus, man u or liverpool.

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Simon bristol said:

Barca arent a spent force, once messi iniesta and xavi left with busquets and pique also winding down it was always an impossible job to replace them. But pedri ansu and gavi are the next generation, and will only get better and there are others too. They will be in the top 3 in la liga and in the champions league again. They have made some decent signings this summer but still have a lot of poor players on big salaries still on the books, kinda like us!

personal feelings aside re lewandowski, there are a handful of the really top clubs in the world. By any standards barcelona is one of them, lewandowski wanting to give that a try before he retires is reasonable, the same if it was real madrid, juventus, man u or liverpool.

Top 3 in La Liga, Wow. Champions League, yes but I would be surprised if they get past the first knock out stage, unless they get a nice draw. Barcelona is one of the top 5 clubs in the world, really. Do you mean size or current playing ability ? You've only put them as potentially the 3rd best team in Spain but also say they are in the top 5 in the world. They have too many average players and not enough money to replace them with quality (Lewandowski aside). Have they made decent signings this summer ? I can't see Man City, Liverpool, Bayern being too worried by Raphina.

All about opinions , I know, nothing personal just can't see Barca as anything other than the next Man U of Europe.

[Simon bristol]

3 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Top 3 in La Liga, Wow. Champions League, yes but I would be surprised if they get past the first knock out stage, unless they get a nice draw. Barcelona is one of the top 5 clubs in the world, really. Do you mean size or current playing ability ? You've only put them as potentially the 3rd best team in Spain but also say they are in the top 5 in the world. They have too many average players and not enough money to replace them with quality (Lewandowski aside). Have they made decent signings this summer ? I can't see Man City, Liverpool, Bayern being too worried by Raphina.

All about opinions , I know, nothing personal just can't see Barca as anything other than the next Man U of Europe.

All about opinions, but with real and athletico in spain its always hard to predict where they will finish. 
i stand by my comments that there are a hierarchy of the great clubs in the world, and barca is one of them. 

[1960maaan]

I must admit, I've not kept a close eye on this as I don't really follow European football. I did however notice some interesting signings apparently coming in.
Moves for Robert Lewandowski, Raphinha, and Jules Koundé plus Franck Kessié and Andreas Christensen on free transfers. Apparently somewhere in the region of £130m net loss so far. They also offered new deals to Dembélé and Sergi Roberto . 

It seems they have been refused permission to register 5 players. 
As I said, I don't follow too closely, but then something popped up on Twitter and added some insight and detail. Not sure I follow everything, but it seems to make Derby seem whiter than white.

 

[TBW]

I'm finding it hilarious and really hoping they don't find a way to wriggle out of it. Hope every player they're being to take a wage cut says no and they get stuck. A harsh lesson seems to be needed. 

[chinapig]

There was a very good Athletic podcast last week covering Barca's situation in detail.

But at least La Liga's rules are not retrospective like those in England. Prevention is better than cure, though neither regime is concerned with accumulated debt.

[Northern Red]

They're banking on being considered too big to be allowed to go bust.

[East Londoner]

Don’t the big Spanish clubs usually sell their training grounds to local councils for ridiculous figures as their usual means of staving off bankruptcy 

[BCFCGav]

They have had the most embarrassing catastrophe of a summer I can recall from any club. The level of short-term-ism is daft beyond belief. I hope they don't manage to worm their way out of it and are unable to register these players, the fallout would be hilarious but more importantly - deserved.

Plus their fans online are insufferable. The club could release footage of the players clubbing seals and their fans would talk about how it's a masterstroke in team building. 

[GrahamC]

Absolute wanchor club, spent money they don’t have for years & seem to think the rules don’t ever apply to them.

Real Madrid are exactly the same.

In contrast Athletic Bilbao haven’t signed a new player in 5 seasons, always pay their way, produce incredible numbers of players through their youth system & are usually top half.

Everyone who plays for them has to either be born in or grown up in the Basque Country.

No comparison at all, so don’t give me all that “mas que un club” horseshit.

Edited August 8, 2022 by GrahamC

[Tinmans Love Child]

3 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Absolute wanchor club, spent money they don’t have for years & seem to think the rules don’t ever apply to them.

Real Madrid are exactly the same.

In contrast Athletic Bilbao haven’t signed a new player in 5 seasons, always pay their way, produce incredible numbers of players through their youth system & are usually top half.

Everyone who plays for them has to either be born in or grown up in the Basque Country.

No comparison at all, so don’t give me all that “mas que un club” horseshit.

I love that Bilbao approach, I’d love City to do similar, I know it might mean less success (not that we have much anyway!) but it would really bring the whole club together, players and fans, all from Bristol area, all in it together, instead of the feeling that most players are just there as a job, not because they have any affection for the club.  It would give us such a strong identify.  It won’t happen obvs but would be nice 

[GrahamC]

10 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I love that Bilbao approach, I’d love City to do similar, I know it might mean less success (not that we have much anyway!) but it would really bring the whole club together, players and fans, all from Bristol area, all in it together, instead of the feeling that most players are just there as a job, not because they have any affection for the club.  It would give us such a strong identify.  It won’t happen obvs but would be nice 

100%.

[Davefevs]

Becoming a joke of a club, and incredibly entitled with it.

[BTRFTG]

€1.2bn in debt.

Marca reporting today the TV deal with Sixth Street was 'over-reported' by Barca to the tune of €150m.

That deal is for 25 years  (for every € they've taken upfront they've given €3 away in future revenue.)

They've also given away a sizeable share in their own content provider.

6 of their 8 highest earners aren't yet registered to play this season. 

Madness.

[BTRFTG]

1. Frenkie de Jong – £470,156 per week
2. Sergio Busquets – £354,591 per week
3. Jordi Alba – £335,733 per week
4. Robert Lewandowski – £302,208 per week
5. Miralem Pjanic – £251,760 per week
6. Ansu Fati – £224,842 per week
7. Ousmane Dembele – £221,619 per week
8. Franck Kessie – £218,235 per week
9. Raphinha – £201,472 per week
10. Jules Kounde – £201,472 per week
11. Pierre Emerick-Aubameyang – £184,710 per week
12. Gerard Pique – £167,947 per week
13. Andreas Christensen – £167,947 per week
14. Memphis Depay – £167,947 per week
15. Pedri – £151,185 per week
16. Marc-Andre ter Stegen – £145,060 per week
17. Ronald Araujo – £112,824 per week
18. Ferran Torres – £100,735 per week
19. Samuel Umtiti – £100,735 per week
20. Neto – £96,707 per week

Quite a few of these haven't been paid of late....

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

On 20/07/2022 at 13:12, Sir Geoff said:

Not to mention the deferred wages owed to De Jong and I assume other players too. Personally don't understand what the attraction was for Lewondoski in signing for Barca.

Perhaps he didn't fancy being another Galactico striker who fails to keep Karim Benzema out of RM. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Absolute wanchor club, spent money they don’t have for years & seem to think the rules don’t ever apply to them.

Real Madrid are exactly the same.

In contrast Athletic Bilbao haven’t signed a new player in 5 seasons, always pay their way, produce incredible numbers of players through their youth system & are usually top half.

Everyone who plays for them has to either be born in or grown up in the Basque Country.

No comparison at all, so don’t give me all that “mas que un club” horseshit.

Agree for the most part but Real Madrid are financially managed much better than Barcelona- and have been for a number of years. They showed a) Some strong restraint in the market and b) Made some big player sales.

What surprises me though is how Barcelona appear to be just trying to blatantly ignore the La Liga FFP regs...still dunno how many if any of their new signings they can register!

Edited August 8, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I love that Bilbao approach, I’d love City to do similar, I know it might mean less success (not that we have much anyway!) but it would really bring the whole club together, players and fans, all from Bristol area, all in it together, instead of the feeling that most players are just there as a job, not because they have any affection for the club.  It would give us such a strong identify.  It won’t happen obvs but would be nice 

What would constitute the Bristol area or qualify a player? To play for Bilbao you need to be born a basque, but not necessarily in Spain. French basques count and Fernando Amorebieta was born in Caracas, Venezuela. Do we claim anywhere in the West Country (whatever that is defined as) or anyone born to a Bristolian. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

47 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

1. Frenkie de Jong – £470,156 per week
2. Sergio Busquets – £354,591 per week
3. Jordi Alba – £335,733 per week
4. Robert Lewandowski – £302,208 per week
5. Miralem Pjanic – £251,760 per week
6. Ansu Fati – £224,842 per week
7. Ousmane Dembele – £221,619 per week
8. Franck Kessie – £218,235 per week
9. Raphinha – £201,472 per week
10. Jules Kounde – £201,472 per week
11. Pierre Emerick-Aubameyang – £184,710 per week
12. Gerard Pique – £167,947 per week
13. Andreas Christensen – £167,947 per week
14. Memphis Depay – £167,947 per week
15. Pedri – £151,185 per week
16. Marc-Andre ter Stegen – £145,060 per week
17. Ronald Araujo – £112,824 per week
18. Ferran Torres – £100,735 per week
19. Samuel Umtiti – £100,735 per week
20. Neto – £96,707 per week

Quite a few of these haven't been paid of late....

On that list, given his length of service with Barca and number of Spanish caps Gérard Pique looks underpaid. 

[chinapig]

Astonishing info on the Athletic Football podcast today that Barca wrote to De Jong on 15 July claiming they had evidence of criminality in the process leading to his current contract and that he should revert to the (lower) terms of his previous contract.

This is getting more fun by the day!

[Tinmans Love Child]

5 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

What would constitute the Bristol area or qualify a player? To play for Bilbao you need to be born a basque, but not necessarily in Spain. French basques count and Fernando Amorebieta was born in Caracas, Venezuela. Do we claim anywhere in the West Country (whatever that is defined as) or anyone born to a Bristolian. 

I must admit, I’ve not thought through the finer details yet  As it’s hypothetical anyway, I’d probs say anyone from the counties of Bristol, South Glos, North Somerset and maybe Banes “if I wanted to share the love” is allowed, but outside of that, not interested mate!

I would allow siblings of long term season ticket holders who may live outside of the defined boundaries, but that would require a vote

 

[Simon bristol]

Barca is my second team, so ive taken quite a lot of interest in the goings on this summer… they have been, and continue to be horrifically mismanaged. They have recently sanctioned another billion of debt to fix up the stadium, and spent well over 100 million on transfers.. the only good thing is that there seems to be an intent to reduce salaries, which much like city will take several years to achieve as old contracts expire.

[TonyTonyTony]

If not for the name Barcelona FC they would be bankrupt. So mismanaged and they need a shock to sort them out.

[Tinmans Love Child]

4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I must admit, I’ve not thought through the finer details yet  As it’s hypothetical anyway, I’d probs say anyone from the counties of Bristol, South Glos, North Somerset and maybe Banes “if I wanted to share the love” is allowed, but outside of that, not interested mate!

I would allow siblings of long term season ticket holders who may live outside of the defined boundaries, but that would require a vote

 

Obviously any links to Rovers that are not declared when signing and later uncovered would lead to an immediate ban

[TBW]

12 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Barca is my second team, so ive taken quite a lot of interest in the goings on this summer… they have been, and continue to be horrifically mismanaged. They have recently sanctioned another billion of debt to fix up the stadium, and spent well over 100 million on transfers.. the only good thing is that there seems to be an intent to reduce salaries, which much like city will take several years to achieve as old contracts expire.

Intent to reduce salaries by pressuring those with existing contacts to take heavy pay cuts whilst they keep signing more players. Don't compare them to City. 

[Simon bristol]

10 minutes ago, TBW said:

Intent to reduce salaries by pressuring those with existing contacts to take heavy pay cuts whilst they keep signing more players. Don't compare them to City. 

What did we do with baker and weimann?

obviously no matter what you say about lansdown, him acting without class is not something that can be levelled against him, which is where barcelona, as one of the worlds most prestigious sporting organisations is sadly lacking.

[TBW]

5 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

What did we do with baker and weimann?

obviously no matter what you say about lansdown, him acting without class is not something that can be levelled against him, which is where barcelona, as one of the worlds most prestigious sporting organisations is sadly lacking.

You mean when their contracts came up for expiry and both had suffered injury problems, so balancing the future risk? Not midway through a long contract and threatening legal action. 

Yes, definitely comparable...

Edited August 9, 2022 by TBW

[Simon bristol]

41 minutes ago, TBW said:

You mean when their contracts came up for expiry and both had suffered injury problems, so balancing the future risk? Not midway through a long contract and threatening legal action. 

Yes, definitely comparable...

Sorry chaps, we know you are experienced champinship players but we are skint and paying kasey 25000 a week, therefore you take a big pay drop so we can sign danny simpson.

its not the same, but its in that ball park.

[TBW]

1 minute ago, Simon bristol said:

Sorry chaps, we know you are experienced champinship players but we are skint and paying kasey 25000 a week, therefore you take a big pay drop so we can sign danny simpson.

its not the same, but its in that ball park.

Hell of a reach there.

Danny Simpson came in as a free agent late in a season. Unrelated to other shit. Baker had suffered multiple setbacks and was it an ACL Weimann did? Both were MASSIVE liabilities and so the club hedged the risk.

Barcelona have spent hundreds of MILLIONS on new players on big salaries despite deferring wages of players for months and then threatening to take those player to court because they don't want to pay the rest of the agreed deal. City never stopped paying their players, nor have they attempted to cut their pay mid-way through.

You're a clown. Just like Barcelona.

[Simon bristol]

1 hour ago, TBW said:

Hell of a reach there.

Danny Simpson came in as a free agent late in a season. Unrelated to other shit. Baker had suffered multiple setbacks and was it an ACL Weimann did? Both were MASSIVE liabilities and so the club hedged the risk.

Barcelona have spent hundreds of MILLIONS on new players on big salaries despite deferring wages of players for months and then threatening to take those player to court because they don't want to pay the rest of the agreed deal. City never stopped paying their players, nor have they attempted to cut their pay mid-way through.

You're a clown. Just like Barcelona.

Ok, and you are a *****, dont agree with me if you dont want to, thats fine.

[RedHienz]

26 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Ok, and you are a *****, dont agree with me if you dont want to, thats fine.

In fairness you are way off the mark, Simpson was on peanuts and short term as we needed cover. Not tied into a 3 year contract with us trying to bin him off.

[chinapig]

2 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Sorry chaps, we know you are experienced champinship players but we are skint and paying kasey 25000 a week, therefore you take a big pay drop so we can sign danny simpson.

its not the same, but its in that ball park.

We haven't demanded that players take a pay cut in the middle of their contract.

We aren't refusing to pay £17m in deferred wages to a player.

We don't claim that criminal activity was involved in a player's current contract so he should revert to his previous one.

We aren't signing players that we can't register because we don't have the money to pay them.

We are reducing our wage budget not increasing it.

Etc ad infinitum.

Otherwise we are identical to Barca.

[GrahamC]

3 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

What did we do with baker and weimann?

obviously no matter what you say about lansdown, him acting without class is not something that can be levelled against him, which is where barcelona, as one of the worlds most prestigious sporting organisations is sadly lacking.

Baker & Weimann were OoC & free to join someone else, indeed Andi nearly joined Stoke.

We weren’t obligated to offer them anything at all, so massive difference from asking players under contract to take pay cuts.

Barca are a vile outfit, better at PR than paying their way.

[TBW]

3 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Ok, and you are a *****, dont agree with me if you dont want to, thats fine.

I won't, because you're wrong. 

Been sucking on too much Barcelona to realise the truth. Instead trying to bring down your supposed "first" team to their immoral levels. 

[bert tann]

On 08/08/2022 at 07:37, East Londoner said:

Don’t the big Spanish practice clubs usually sell their training grounds to local councils for ridiculous figures as their usual means of staving off bankruptcy 

 

South Gloucestershire Council did put in a bid of 46 million but Mr Al-Quidi turned it down.

Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

 

 

[East Yorkshire CideRed]

Did the Camp Nou stadium tour a couple of weeks ago and bumped into some fellow City fans from Clevedon (hello! If you’re on the forum).

FCB certainly know how to bleed you of money! All the way round there were plenty of extra ways to part with your Euros.

[Simon bristol]

2 hours ago, TBW said:

I won't, because you're wrong. 

Been sucking on too much Barcelona to realise the truth. Instead trying to bring down your supposed "first" team to their immoral levels. 

Well i asked my mum and she said you’re wrong.

[Simon bristol]

3 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Well i asked my mum and she said you’re wrong. Mate im 46 on a bristol city fans forum chatting about football and someone thinks im wrong,,,,, i couldnt give less ####s if i tried.

[Glyn Rileys Mullet]

3 hours ago, East Yorkshire CideRed said:

Did the Camp Nou stadium tour a couple of weeks ago and bumped into some fellow City fans from Clevedon (hello! If you’re on the forum).

FCB certainly know how to bleed you of money! All the way round there were plenty of extra ways to part with your Euros.

We went last week…I found it to be a bit of relic and definitely needs the planned rebuild.  Not quite sure how they are going to find it all but I am sure the politics behind the Catalonia /Spain divide will ensure they will not struggle for long.  My boys reckon that AG is better…..wouldn’t mind some of their trophies…that room seemed to stretch for miles.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Haven't La Liga now said they cannot as it stands register new signings in accordance with their regs.

Nice to see a Governing body not bowing down before a big boy- the PL, FA, at times UEFA and the EFL should take note!

[Northern Red]

Couple of bits from the BBC live text this morning:

Quote

The Athletic's David Ornstein has been speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live about the situation between Barcelona and Netherlands midfielder Frenkie de Jong, who has been linked with a move to Manchester United this summer.

It's a bit of a complicated one so bare with us!

Ornstein said: "This is an insane story within football.

"Barcelona are in huge financial trouble. Largely as a result of the pandemic and massive salaries - the wage bill is out of control. All teams in Spain’s La Liga need to comply with the league’s financial fair play rules, especially around salary caps, before they are allowed to register players for competition.

"Barcelona don’t comply with that and therefore they have got to either sell players to generate revenue or bring in revenue from elsewhere that will enable to comply with the rules and then allow them to spend on players and register them before the season.

"They have not managed to sell many players, therefore they have hauled a number of economic levers by selling off parts of their club and companies to raise revenues and that has allowed them to sign some players.

"Still La Liga says 'you are not complying with our rules, you’re not able to register some of these players before the season starts’.

"So now they need to sell players and the main source of revenue from that perspective would be Frenkie de Jong."

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Ornstein explains De Jong's current stand-off with Man Utd over his wages: "Barcelona agreed a deal with Manchester United but nothing was agreed with the player who was among a number of players who agreed to defer his salary largely when the pandemic struck. He signed a new contract with the former board of directors that said 'you don’t get paid much now but you will get paid loads in the future'.

"That board of directors resigned, a new board of directors came in, they inherited these contracts and said 'oh my goodness, we have tonnes of money to pay to the likes of Frenkie de Jong in a few years time and we can't afford that, we want him gone'.

"Frenkie de Jong says 'I'll go but only if you give me the money that I’m legally entitled to by my contract' although he does want to stay at Barcelona.

"Barcelona have written to him that 'we have ground to believe there was illegality, criminality around the signing of your contact by the previous board in October 2020 and we believe there is grounds to take legal action against everyone involved, unless you return to your previous contract that you signed when you joined Barcelona in January 2019 from Ajax'.

"This is going to rumble on. There are claims of extortion towards Frenkie de Jong.

"It feels rotten and is a mess."

 

[TonyTonyTony]

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Couple of bits from the BBC live text this morning:

 

.......whilst at the same trying to buy Bernardo Silva for 50M.

They will come crashing down. This is all a Laporta wet dream

[BTRFTG]

Loving the Barca fans who screamed for & celebrated De Jong's signing now standing at the training ground gates screaming not his name but the fact they now consider him a greedy ****er who should take a wage cut & **ck off.

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On 09/08/2022 at 18:00, Simon bristol said:

What did we do with baker and weimann?

obviously no matter what you say about lansdown, him acting without class is not something that can be levelled against him, which is where barcelona, as one of the worlds most prestigious sporting organisations is sadly lacking.

I agree with the highlighted quote but the rest..................................No, No, No.

[Monkeh]

On 09/08/2022 at 09:17, TBW said:

Intent to reduce salaries by pressuring those with existing contacts to take heavy pay cuts whilst they keep signing more players. Don't compare them to City. 

Thats against Spanish law however that's why they are stuck

[The Batman]

I imagine the Barcelona hierarchy still think the Super League money from JP Morgan is still coming to them. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Reportedly made a €98m profit last season?? A good bounce back along with La Liga salary limits would help but that's a fairly, perhaps suspiciously drastic swing

The finer details would be of more interest, ie how much is down to big transfer sales that may not be repeated, how much is down to actions such as their recent use of levers, yes I know that was 2021-22 but I wonder if they used any similar actions last season, like a sugar rush now and a bit come down later...mortgaging the future to an extent. I'm sceptical of such numbers but maybe they had a big impairment during Covid, I dunno.

I would even suggest that La Liga's version of FFP rules, which they have railed against, have probably helped to keep them solvent.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous