Hull City away match day thread

[WessexPest]

Beaten by an imbecilic piece of officiating and a wicked deflection. Absolutely infuriating to lose it at the death again but I saw enough today to think we will kick on from last season.

So-called supporters already calling for the manager’s head - embarrassing!

[Bar BS3]

13 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Here you go: https://streamja.com/roLJV

I didn't think I could be more pissed off about the one that they somehow got given.... 

I was wrong...! 

[firstdivision]

I thought it was a largely poor game between two ordinary sides. Of course, we shouldn’t have lost.
 

The penalty looked ridiculous; the defection, unlucky in one way, but we could have defended the situation much better.

I’m extremely realistic about this season (unlikely to be much better than last) and nothing I saw today has changed my mind. Without Antoine, we look a bit predictable going forward. We’ll need to cut out the daft goals. And hope the refs start seeing some pens for us. 

[maxjak]

Just got in...........made a point of not looking at the score, so i could be surprised.  Ha!  Guess what i am NOT surprised.  Nothing Changes, except the excuses?

Edited July 30, 2022 by maxjak

[Numero Uno]

Just now, maxjak said:

Just got in...........made a point of not looking at the score, so i could be surprised.  Ha!  Guess what i am not surprised.  Nothing Changes, except the excuses?

Perhaps have a look at their pen first?

[bobbyhutchscurlymullet]

We've had our one penalty for the season last week

[City1970]

2 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

I thought it was a largely poor game between two ordinary sides. Of course, we shouldn’t have lost.
 

The penalty looked ridiculous; the defection, unlucky in one way, but we could have defended the situation much better.

I’m extremely realistic about this season (unlikely to be much better than last) and nothing I saw today has changed my mind. Without Antoine, we look a bit predictable going forward. We’ll need to cut out the daft goals. And hope the refs start seeing some pens for us. 

I agree.

Last season we lost god how many points from winning positions.

Today is the first 3 points lost from a winning position.

We need to score more goals when on top, like the first 30 minutes today.

 

[Red_Alligator]

Very frustrating that. 

[Bar BS3]

Actual footage of the referee as their late goal deflects & loops up beyond Bentley...... 

 

[maxjak]

6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Perhaps have a look at their pen first?

I can imagine...with out even seeing it, i can guess it's dubious?.  I fully appreciate it's always fine margins between 2 equally-ish matched sides.........but why is it always us they end up on the wrong end of it?  When i can get round to it, i will watch the high/low lights.......just pissed off that it's yet another bad luck story??

Edited July 30, 2022 by maxjak

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, City1970 said:

I agree.

Last season we lost god how many points from winning positions.

Today is the first 3 points lost from a winning position.

We need to score more goals when on top, like the first 30 minutes today.

 

Conway did have a good chance just before the “pen”. Score that and it’s three points and nobody is talking about mentality or sitting back.

[chinapig]

2 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

Without Antoine, we look a bit predictable going forward.

His loss is a huge blow. Without his power and pace we are nowhere near as threatening. His mere presence scares defenders and creates space for others. Let's hope he is back in September but with our record of underestimating how long players will be out I'm not holding my breath.

I think we have a dilemma with Scott as well. He is an 8 not a 10 so we are unlikely to get the best out of him playing 3-4-1-2. But we don't really have the players to suit 4-3-3.

[bcfc01]

2 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

I thought it was a largely poor game between two ordinary sides. Of course, we shouldn’t have lost.
 

The penalty looked ridiculous; the defection, unlucky in one way, but we could have defended the situation much better.

I’m extremely realistic about this season (unlikely to be much better than last) and nothing I saw today has changed my mind. Without Antoine, we look a bit predictable going forward. We’ll need to cut out the daft goals. And hope the refs start seeing some pens for us. 

I have to agree.

Although I can see Hull growing into the season more so than us with the players they have.

Very early doors, and whilst we played well first half, we once again let the performance drop in the second half - no change there.

Ref was shite - no change there either.

I really don't know why I expected more from today, just start of the season optimism I suppose.

Didn't last long.

[Northern Red]

Just now, maxjak said:

I can imagine...with out even seeing it, i can guess it's dubious.  I fully appreciate it's always fine margins between 2 equally-ish matched sides.........but why is it always us they end up on the wrong end of it?  When i can get round to it, i will watch the high/low lights.......just pissed off that it's yet another bad luck story??

Nope, not "dubious".

Just plain wrong.

[Tin Soldier]

I hope I’m proven wrong, but could be another long season.

[AppyDAZE]

I'm all for blasting a shite ref, but let's give the cheating *** that won the pen some stick.

After watching some of the women's football, all this sort of stuff reminds me of how much more honest their game is.

[Bris Red]

Really really disappointing but plenty of positives to take. Naismith and Sykes both look like real quality additions and have certainly made our squad stronger.

Just hoping this late goal theme doesn’t continue on for the rest of the season.

[AppyDAZE]

2 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

I hope I’m proven wrong, but could be another long season.

I hope so. I ******* hate the close season.

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, bris red said:

Really really disappointing but plenty of positives to take. Naismith and Sykes both look like real quality additions and have certainly made our squad stronger.

Just hoping this late goal theme doesn’t continue on for the rest of the season.

If Vyner had headed that ball away and not Klose this place would be in meltdown.

[Supersonic Robin]

28 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

At what point do we start walking off the pitch at these ridiculous decisions?

Il tell you one thing, no other club would stand for it to go so long without a pen whilst having so many corrupt decisions against us 

As much as this seems like a bit of a dramatic take from CC, I do have sympathy with the underlying point.

Professional football matches should not be influenced by decisions as poor as the penalty decision we saw today. It makes a mockery of the league, and it's an insult to the players and managers that put so much effort into competing.

Some will claim that it evens itself out over time - that certainly doesn't appear to be the case for us. Last season we were awarded the least penalties in the league, whilst also conceding the most in the league. Since the start of the 2018/19 season we've been awarded penalties less frequently than any team in Europe's top 31 leagues.

Perhaps I'm just a bit hot-headed following today's game, but I'm sick of seeing my team drop points to poor officiating at a rate far higher than most teams experience. It's unacceptable.

[luke_bristol]

2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I'm all for blasting a shite ref, but let's give the cheating *** that won the pen some stick.

After watching some of the women's football, all this sort of stuff reminds me of how much more honest their game is.

I’d expect him to be charged by the FA with successful deception of the referee and get a three game ban, but that doesn’t help us.

[Engvall’s Splinter]

4 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

I hope I’m proven wrong, but could be another long season.

Blimey

[maxjak]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

Nope, not "dubious".

Just plain wrong.

I don't know if anyone else has seen it.........but on the main Bristol City site it has the score as Hull City 1 Bristol City 2!!  Well done media team?.  It is the first thing i saw when i came in from work........and then i go onto the OTIB site only to find out that the media team are having a laugh!!  Which makes me even more pissed off...Ha!  You couldn't make it up.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Top Robin said:

Most annoying is that it was coming and once again we allow teams to pile into us when we are winning.

I thought with the subs, we’d weathered their early second half pressure, and were edging back on top.  Awful decision.

[1team]

Not often I'm upset by a defeat but this was really s#it.

With a different ref they would have had 2 possibly 3 on a yellow first half, which changes a lot. 

The pen well either you're fouled and you go down or you're not, it doesn't happen as an after thought. The winner was just unlucky.

On a positive it has proved to me I still care!

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

I hope I’m proven wrong, but could be another long season.

A while back I wondered if this could be a challenging season and then 2023/24 when the finances much improved that could be a time we push on.

Maybe that's unduly pessimistic of me but I was quite prepared to accept that as a strong possibility- still only 1 game in though.

[chinapig]

1 minute ago, luke_bristol said:

I’d expect him to be charged by the FA with successful deception of the referee and get a three game ban, but that doesn’t help us.

Ah, remember the alleged clampdown on simulation? I blinked so I missed it.

[Southport Red]

44 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

You either were not watching the match or have not a a clue what you are talking about, Hull were pinned back, trying to waste time before the ball broke up field and goal came from that

I wasn’t watching no, in a caravan in the pouring down rain supposedly enjoying a holiday. My comments were aimed at those blaming the scandalous penalty on our sitting deep. Also, I mentioned when Hull hit the post, not when they scored, at that time I believe we were under some pressure from them. So perhaps you might dial the micro-aggression down just a notch next time. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, chinapig said:

Ah, remember the alleged clampdown on simulation? I blinked so I missed it.

Ha if it's the same one, we were one of the only teams to fall foul weren't we- Bailey Wright got given a retrospective ban! Typically..don't recall many others getting that.

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

I’d expect him to be charged by the FA with successful deception of the referee and get a three game ban, but that doesn’t help us.

99.9% of refs would have laughed before booking the bloke but not the one that mattered!!

[Southport Red]

3 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Blimey

Belters on Twitter already saying we should save time and just accept relegation now. Presumably, if we’d won today, the same people would be suggesting that there is only 2nd spot and the play offs for everyone else to aim for now

[firstdivision]

8 minutes ago, chinapig said:

His loss is a huge blow. Without his power and pace we are nowhere near as threatening. His mere presence scares defenders and creates space for others. Let's hope he is back in September but with our record of underestimating how long players will be out I'm not holding my breath.

I think we have a dilemma with Scott as well. He is an 8 not a 10 so we are unlikely to get the best out of him playing 3-4-1-2. But we don't really have the players to suit 4-3-3.

Yes, we need him on the ball. He found it hard to do that today in a team with our limitations.
 

I thought Conway for Scott was a good change. Conway has something about him. 

[JoeAman08]

Plenty of positives and plenty of negatives. With a fit Semenyo we’ll have a chance of playoffs. If he misses a third or more of the season again, we will be similarly placed as last season. 
 

I have some issues but it is too early in the season to moan too much imo. Get Semenyo fit and then see how good we are. 

[maxjak]

Don't worry eveyrone.........go onto the main Bristol City website...and apparently we won 2-1.     I suppose eventually they will wake up from their coma's and correct it............great to see they have started the season as they mean to go on?............what a a bunch of To**ers!

Edited July 30, 2022 by maxjak

[Pippintogg]

28 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

As much as this seems like a bit of a dramatic take from CC, I do have sympathy with the underlying point.

Professional football matches should not be influenced by decisions as poor as the penalty decision we saw today. It makes a mockery of the league, and it's an insult to the players and managers that put so much effort into competing.

Some will claim that it evens itself out over time - that certainly doesn't appear to be the case for us. Last season we were awarded the least penalties in the league, whilst also conceding the most in the league. Since the start of the 2018/19 season we've been awarded penalties less frequently than any team in Europe's top 31 leagues.

Perhaps I'm just a bit hot-headed following today's game, but I'm sick of seeing my team drop points to poor officiating at a rate far higher than most teams experience. It's unacceptable.

Our biggest problem getting pens is that we rarely attack the box. Much of our play revolves around passing across the box or moving the ball to create space. If we had played driving at defenders forcing them to make decisions. Naismith and Sykes looked like good signings. Hull were very physical from kickoff and we need to match that. Frustrating but it's only game 1.

Edited July 30, 2022 by Pippintogg
Spelling mistake

[RedM]

I don't really like it, but if we had VAR in the Championship Hull would never had been given that penalty. 

[RedM]

4 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Don't worry eveyrone.........go onto the main Bristol City website...and apparently we won 2-1.     I suppose eventually they will wake up from their coma's and correct it............great to see they have started the season as they mean to go on?............what a a bunch of To**ers!

They have Klosse as an unused sub too

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, Pippintogg said:

Our biggest problem getting pens is that we rarely attack the box. Much of our play revolves around passing across the box or moving the ball to create space. If we had played driving at defenders forcing them to make decisions. Naismith and Smith looked like good signings. Hull were very physical from kickoff and we need to match that. Frustrating but it's only game 1.

Is Smith a new signing I have missed?

[Selred]

5 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Don't worry eveyrone.........go onto the main Bristol City website...and apparently we won 2-1.     I suppose eventually they will wake up from their coma's and correct it............great to see they have started the season as they mean to go on?............what a a bunch of To**ers!

It’s a mistake. Bit harsh to call them tossers.

[chinapig]

6 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

Yes, we need him on the ball. He found it hard to do that today in a team with our limitations.
 

I thought Conway for Scott was a good change. Conway has something about him. 

I hope we give Conway a start at Coventry. In Semenyo's absence it's worth a look at least.

[Bedred31]

Lots of positives from today. Pearson‘s got a good nucleus and has them playing to a plan/mindset. And he’s done it with no money.  But we’re v vulnerable to the effect of injuries. When fit, this lot can compete, even, with a bit of luck, challenge. But 3/4 key players out ( and usually by Christmas our tally is 5/7) and it could get iffy v quickly. Lot rides on August- got to keep Scott and Antoine and bring in at least 1 more, which means shifting out some more deadwood. 

[Bs4Red]

Winner is so poor from us, lack of concentration. Not a single player reacts 

[Pippintogg]

2 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Is Smith a new signing I have missed?

It's what happens when you type Sykes without reading glasses and smith looks the same!

[intercity]

21 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

I hope I’m proven wrong, but could be another long season.

Never a good sign when a decent performance brings a poor result. Very familiar feeling and I hate to say, sign of a weak team...

Let's hope we getter a better result next week.

[maxjak]

12 minutes ago, Selred said:

It’s a mistake. Bit harsh to call them tossers.

When u come home from a 12 hour shift on a Saturday....turn on your computer and see that we have won away on the first game of he season....only to find it's a mistake by someone who just had to type in two numbers......which they are incapable of managing to do.....then tosser's they are IMHO......sorry if your offended!?

[22A]

City, Rovers, Swindon, Cheltenham and even Ross County all lost. Hopefully that was the worst Saturday of the season and results will  / can only improve.

[Ivorguy]

Too early to panic but if we only bring in three fresh faces to a side that was fortunate not to be relegated, and two of the three are from lower divisions, then one must expect this season to be as up and down as last.

We are three championship or above level of players short of a picnic.

However, poor Nige must continue to speak positively as he attempts to make silk purses out of sows’ ears.

[Northern Red]

3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Too early to panic but if we only bring in three fresh faces to a side that was fortunate not to be relegated, and two of the three are from lower divisions, then one must expect this season to be as up and down as last.

We are three championship or above level of players short of a picnic.

However, poor Nige must continue to speak positively as he attempts to make silk purses out of sows’ ears.

How were we fortunate not to be relegated?

[BCFC11]

54 minutes ago, maxjak said:

I can imagine...with out even seeing it, i can guess it's dubious?.  I fully appreciate it's always fine margins between 2 equally-ish matched sides.........but why is it always us they end up on the wrong end of it?  When i can get round to it, i will watch the high/low lights.......just pissed off that it's yet another bad luck story??

W ️ 

[maxjak]

Just now, BCFC11 said:

W ️ 

Yawn!.........how very glib and unoriginal...if you have something relevant to say.......then say it, don't hide behind your keyboard?

[MC RISK77]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

We didn’t need to kill them off imo. They were creating absolutely nothing. I’m far happier as a fan of us, based on how we played, despite losing compared to how Hull were 

Fair shout fella, good to hear we looked ok.

maybe I am too Arsene Wenger to your Jose Mourinho.

I guess just frustrated that we have started the season off losing points in injury time again.

Have a safe trip back

 

[Kodjias Wrist]

18 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Too early to panic but if we only bring in three fresh faces to a side that was fortunate not to be relegated, and two of the three are from lower divisions, then one must expect this season to be as up and down as last.

We are three championship or above level of players short of a picnic.

However, poor Nige must continue to speak positively as he attempts to make silk purses out of sows’ ears.

We were 7th in the form table last 10 games of the season. We had one of the top goalscorers im the league and third top assister. I admit there were a couple of games that really worried me like the coventry away match, but we were not fortunate.

[BCFC11]

22 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Yawn!.........how very glib and unoriginal...if you have something relevant to say.......then say it, don't hide behind your keyboard?

How about you don't bother commenting and coming to you're conclusion on a game you've not even seen and others have? Watch it then tell everyone what you think, we were robbed end of.

[Northern Red]

Nige on Radio Bristol:

"We've played well, we don't deserve to lose but I'm afraid you can't do a lot about that when circumstances pan out like they did.

"We feel really aggrieved with the equaliser that they got and that we didn't get a penalty almost straight after that. Their winner is just one of those things that sometimes happens in games, a big deflection which gives you no chance.

"There's absolutely nothing [contact for the Hull penalty] and to be honest with you, their player should have been booked for falling over afterwards. I just find it quite bizarre really. But I don't want to start moaning about referees on day one, I actually spoke to Kevin Friend before the game.

"We did OK for long periods in the game, we didn't quite pass the ball as well as we can do in the second half but we've had opportunities. Tommy Conway had a chance when he went on, Jay had a shot across the goal. We've put them under pressure but it's a disappointing end to a very promising performance."

[City1970]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

Conway did have a good chance just before the “pen”. Score that and it’s three points and nobody is talking about mentality or sitting back.

Exactly, need to take the chances.

[firstdivision]

Hull manager reaction: below

My reaction: 1/ yeah, until it happens to you in three weeks’ time and then it will be 100 per cent not a penalty. 
2/ if you think he was a yard and a half away from the goal, then your judgement is severely impaired. 
 

"I believe Benjamin [Tetteh] had the time to really make a goal so I should not think why would he go down, they didn't break his leg but probably they touched him enough to get this penalty. It was a yard away, one-and-a half yards away from the goal. 

"I don't want to say it's 100%, but it's a penalty which was almost a goal so he would not go down, that's what I want to believe."

[Will Rollason]

2 hours ago, luke_bristol said:

That’s a ******* disgrace

Wow...he takes two steps after the missed tackle! Wtf was that all about? 

 

[pongo88]

This is merely a blip on the path to glory 

[Hxj]

Just back home from the match - my views are:

These things happen

Naismith was in charge - a while since we've had someone that is in charge - brilliant signing

Sykes looks useful

Scott looked lost (grabs helmet)

Vyner was great (grabs body armour!)

 

Edited July 30, 2022 by Hxj

[chinapig]

17 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

Hull manager reaction: below

My reaction: 1/ yeah, until it happens to you in three weeks’ time and then it will be 100 per cent not a penalty. 
2/ if you think he was a yard and a half away from the goal, then your judgement is severely impaired. 
 

"I believe Benjamin [Tetteh] had the time to really make a goal so I should not think why would he go down, they didn't break his leg but probably they touched him enough to get this penalty. It was a yard away, one-and-a half yards away from the goal. 

"I don't want to say it's 100%, but it's a penalty which was almost a goal so he would not go down, that's what I want to believe."

Yes, well, there are a lot of people these days who want to believe nonsense so him wanting to believe it was a penalty doesn't mean it was.

[GrahamC]

23 minutes ago, Will Rollason said:

Wow...he takes two steps after the missed tackle! Wtf was that all about? 

 

It’s called diving.

[chinapig]

6 minutes ago, Hxj said:

Just back home from the match - my views are:

These things happen

Naismith was in charge - a while since we've had someone that is in charge - brilliant signing

Sykes looks useful

Scott looked lost (grabs helmet)

Vyner was great (grabs body armour!)

 

Scott looked lost because he is not a 10. The same happened when he played there for England U19s, he barely saw the ball. Nigel has a tough decision to make: change the shape so he can play as an 8, bench him (or coach him on how to be a 10).

Vyner played very well. Now he needs to keep it up.

[Feral Williams]

15 minutes ago, Hxj said:

Just back home from the match - my views are:

These things happen

Naismith was in charge - a while since we've had someone that is in charge - brilliant signing

Sykes looks useful

Scott looked lost (grabs helmet)

Vyner was great (grabs body armour!)

 

Agree with all of this and would add although it was a brief-ish cameo I thought Tommy Conway looked like he’s going to make an impact this season

[KegCity]

5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Scott looked lost because he is not a 10. The same happened when he played there for England U19s, he barely saw the ball. Nigel has a tough decision to make: change the shape so he can play as an 8, bench him (or coach him on how to be a 10).

Vyner played very well. Now he needs to keep it up.

Could play him next to Williams with Sykes in front?

Hopefully Vyner has turned a corner now.

[Midred]

38 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

Hull manager reaction: below

My reaction: 1/ yeah, until it happens to you in three weeks’ time and then it will be 100 per cent not a penalty. 
2/ if you think he was a yard and a half away from the goal, then your judgement is severely impaired. 
 

"I believe Benjamin [Tetteh] had the time to really make a goal so I should not think why would he go down, they didn't break his leg but probably they touched him enough to get this penalty. It was a yard away, one-and-a half yards away from the goal. 

"I don't want to say it's 100%, but it's a penalty which was almost a goal so he would not go down, that's what I want to believe."

He felt imaginary contact so he was entitled to go down!!

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Scott looked lost because he is not a 10. The same happened when he played there for England U19s, he barely saw the ball. Nigel has a tough decision to make: change the shape so he can play as an 8, bench him (or coach him on how to be a 10).

Vyner played very well. Now he needs to keep it up.

I think he can play no10, just that he’s better (imho) as a CM (no8).  In the champ it’s quite easier to find no space in the gap between the opposition CBs and CM/DM.  Freeman found it incredibly difficult.

The option is to play a flatter three, Holden-ball 5122 or a box-3421.

Without the ball today I thought these two following photos summed up the game.

The good:

High(ish) press….Scott, Martin and Weimann, together with Williams forcing Seri deep but also little way out other than long balls which we dealt with.

The bad (harsh) - the not so good:

If Hull broke the initial press and we retreated into a mid-block, we become more 541. Hull then got Greaves down the left to double up with Sayyadmanesh against Sykes (who did well).  It allowed their midfield to get into gaps and it became harder for us to clear our lines, because Martin becomes isolated.

Same formation, different phases of play, different positions.  We ended up a bit like pic2 more in the second half.

We didn’t really move the ball with as much tempo second half either.

Hey-ho.

[GrahamC]

15 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Scott looked lost because he is not a 10. The same happened when he played there for England U19s, he barely saw the ball. Nigel has a tough decision to make: change the shape so he can play as an 8, bench him (or coach him on how to be a 10).

Vyner played very well. Now he needs to keep it up.

I’m not sure it is that tough a decision.

I know I’ll be in a minority but I was very surprised that he started today.

He has had barely any break this summer & unlike Andi Weimann who has been doing this for years, we are effectively asking him to play back to back seasons at 18.

I’d have had him on the bench today (there would have been meltdown on here) & would use him sporadically for the next month.

I certainly hope we are sensible with his workload prior to this season’s WC enforced break.

[Northern Red]

16 minutes ago, Feral Williams said:

Agree with all of this and would add although it was a brief-ish cameo I thought Tommy Conway looked like he’s going to make an impact this season

Definitely. Nige was asked about him last week and the possibility of him going on loan, but he made it clear that he wouldn't be going anywhere and expects that he can really push to be involved more regularly.

[chinapig]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

I’m not sure it is that tough a decision.

I know I’ll be in a minority but I was very surprised that he started today.

He has had barely any break this summer & unlike Andi Weimann who has been doing this for years, we are effectively asking him to play back to back seasons at 18.

I’d have had him on the bench today (there would have been meltdown on here) & would use him sporadically for the next month.

I certainly hope we are sensible with his workload prior to this season’s WC enforced break.

I'd now go for Wilson at RWB (if fit) and Sykes behind the front two.

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, chinapig said:

I'd now go for Wilson at RWB (if fit) and Sykes behind the front two.

Always sounds like hindsight after a defeat but that’s how I would have started today & if Wilson wasn’t fit enough to start, Tanner should have.