Sunderland at home match day thread

[bexhill reds]

Just now, Banjo Red said:

Do we practice defending in training?

Clearly practice sideways and backward passing….

[cityexile]

Just now, Banjo Red said:

Do we practice defending in training?

It’s not just the back line, it’s the way it works with our midfield. Just keep getting exposed to easily.

[Banjo Red]

Just now, RudiRed said:

We need reinforcements desperately or we are in trouble.

Was just thinking that, losts needs sorting out over the next few weeks.

[Wanderingred]

10k less at the next home game.

[Guest]

Note to "Nige" WE NEED A MIDFIELD and play defenders who know what to do.........round and round we go........as I wait for "the bed wetters" post from the usual posters.

 

[joe jordans teeth]

3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Naismith has been good today. Aside from two of the goals. Which actually means he hasn’t been that good today. 

It’s like Martin,he has won 3 headers today so not bad apart from the headers being 30 yards from goal so not so good 

[intercity]

1 minute ago, Dan Robin said:

Only the start of the season but...conceding 3 goals at home to a promoted side sounds really bad. 

What concerns me is the whole familiarity. It feels like last season again already. Very concerning.

Any teams due to get point deductions this ti.e around?

[Johnr1986]

1 minute ago, RudiRed said:

Midfield is the problem for me, Williams looks like his legs have gone.

Or just play your better players ie massengo Williams and James partnership lack mobility.  

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, An Outstanding Human said:

Goes way deeper than that, more to do with the culture of the club, which is solely at the door of Lansdown 

I think a lot of it is the legacy of past mistakes. I think Pearson had brought in the right players, and I rate the youngsters, but we have a legacy of badly thought through signings and contract offers that leave too little room for manoeuvre. 

I think moving Pearson on is absolutely the wrong thing to do but we are going to struggle until we can move out high earners and sub-standard players and reinforce defence and defensive midfield.

[Roadrunner]

I felt so positive at Bournemouth, two matches in i am not so sure.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

I'm not going to have a melt down because it's such a lovely day and I'm away on holiday.

However, if we lose could someone  do a little boo on my behalf at the final whistle , if deemed appropriate?

[Redrascal2]

1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think a lot of it is the legacy of past mistakes. I think Pearson had brought in the right players, and I rate the youngsters, but we have a legacy of badly thought through signings and contract offers that leave too little room for manoeuvre. 

I think moving Pearson on is absolutely the wrong thing to do but we are going to struggle until we can move out high earners and sub-standard players and reinforce defence and defensive midfield.

Should we not expect better than last season or just more of the same.

[East Yorkshire CideRed]

Just now, Roadrunner said:

I felt so positive at Bournemouth, two matches in i am not so sure.

I echo your sentiments. I thought we look so much tighter at the back… 

[ORANGE500]

Just now, gl2 said:

Note to "Nige" WE NEED A MIDFIELD and play defenders who know what to do.........round and round we go........as I wait for "the bed wetters" post from the usual posters.

 

I'm sure he knows the midfield is poor but it's well documented he has no money to spend.The solution is to sell Scott to fund new signings but the usual suspects who moan at everything will accuse the club of having no ambition and selling our best players the usual diatribe you get from City fans but as I said its the only solution available. 

[City_USA]

How the f did he miss that...? 

[old_eastender]

Martin FFS, puts it wide when should score.

Edited August 6, 2022 by old_eastender

[Peter1450]

Hope we can get an equaliser but, the suns shining , huge home crowd,great response for Stoney by all the crowd  and the players do their usual of messing up what should have been a great day.

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, Redrascal2 said:

Should we not expect better than last season or just more of the same.

I’d like better but we need a defensive midfielder and a right sided centre back better than Vyner, plus cover for Semenyo. We can afford none of those things and I don’t think much will change until we get those players in .

[cityexile]

Going to be one of those days. For goodness sake, had to score.

[bexhill reds]

Just now, old_eastender said:

Martin FFS, puts in wide when should score.

Looks like he scuffed it, should at least have hit the target

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, ORANGE500 said:

I'm sure he knows the midfield is poor but it's well documented he has no money to spend.The solution is to sell Scott to fund new signings but the usual suspects who moan at everything will accuse the club of having no ambition and selling our best players the usual diatribe you get from City fans but as I said its the only solution available. 

I am rapidly coming to this conclusion too. I would be gutted to lose Scott but that could get us three players we sorely need.

[Spike]

Didn't take long for us to have out enthusiasm drained. Last week I was still optimistic and thought we were hard done by but the amount of sloppy passes that have led to Sunderland opportunities has been woeful, we were unable to turn pressure against us into attack successfully either where Sunderland look dangerous when we lose possession.

[Ryan_BCFC]

If i was Nahki I’d be pissed, no point in him being here. 

[Mihai]

We have really bad midfield. And the depth is concerning. We need more defensive and centre midfielders...

We are going for a bottom half without that or even worse. The morale is down also after possibly two defeats.

[And Its Smith]

Jack Clarke has destroyed us this half. 

[old_eastender]

Just now, Ryan_BCFC said:

If i was Nahki I’d be pissed, no point in him being here. 

Wells on for DaSilva!  Hopeless choice really should have been Martin off.

[Malago]

Now four strikers on.  Rarely works.  Hope I’m wrong.

[Banjo Red]

11 minutes ago, RudiRed said:

Midfield is the problem for me, Williams looks like his legs have gone.

Said it before we meed some horrible bastard in the middle 

[bexhill reds]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

Didn't take long for us to have out enthusiasm drained. Last week I was still optimistic and thought we were hard done by but the amount of sloppy passes that have led to Sunderland opportunities has been woeful, we were unable to turn pressure against us into attack successfully either where Sunderland look dangerous when we lose possession.

Exactly this, not coped with their press, got caught out too many times, and not a huge amount offered up front. Semenyo is a miss in this side right now.

[City_USA]

COYR 

[LondonBristolian]

2 minutes ago, RudiRed said:

Based on today we have little option but to sell and use the returns for some players - relegation fodder otherwise. 

Exactly. And I think it would be a massive risk to lose Bentley or Semenyo given how we have started the season. Which leaves Scott as the one potential asset we could get a fair amount of money for without massively weakening the team.

[Redrascal2]

4 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I’d like better but we need a defensive midfielder and a right sided centre back better than Vyner, plus cover for Semenyo. We can afford none of those things and I don’t think much will change until we get those players in .

I still do not understand why a defensive midfielder was not  a priority. It has been needed for so long.

[bexhill reds]

Still time for improvement and maybe some transfer work. nobody is promoted after 2 games and nobody is relegated.

[Dan Robin]

Agree about midfield: after losing Rinhomota I hoped we would have brought in a defensive midfielder on loan, but probably we can't do it at the moment.

[old_eastender]

2 minutes ago, Malago said:

Now four strikers on.  Rarely works.  Hope I’m wrong.

never works and NP has form for trying it when desperate.

[Roger Red Hat]

4 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Hopeless choice really should have been Martin off.

[LondonBristolian]

Just now, Redrascal2 said:

I still do not understand why a defensive midfielder was not  a priority. It has been needed for so long.

I don’t know for sure but suspect it was and we missed out on targets. There were a few defensive midfielders we were linked with early in pre-season - not least Rinhomota - and I wonder if we were confident in landing one of them but ultimately missed out.

[bexhill reds]

Giving it a go at least, need to play forward with this pace more often. Too slow and predictable some times

[Northern Red]

1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said:

It's ace innit, proper voodoo doll stuff.

[tts_city]

Pre season optimism shattered again, same shit different season.

[City_USA]

Meh

[1team]

Well, out battled by an Alex Neil side. There's a surprise. 

Already worried about this season.

[Northern Red]

Yeah, we should probably abandon all hope.

Easily the worst "fans" in the entire ******* league.

[Jerseybean]

Immediate reaction.

Disappointing result.

They had us under the cosh at 2-2 and their third certainly felt like it was coming.  At 2-3 Atkinson and Martin both had decent scoring opportunities. Rather like last week we we’re better in the first half.

On the day I feel the better team won tbh. Sunderland will do OK this season if they continue to play like today, especially considering they are still looking to add quite a few to their squad.

Good to see a packed home ground. Hope the City fans, whether new or old, keep the faith.

[Johnr1986]

Has to plays wells over Martin it’s been a painful watch today. 

[Boston Red]

We play five at the back where the two wing backs, Sykes and Dasilva, aren't really top defenders in the sense of dominating their opponent and heading and tackling. 

We then have another weak link in Vyner.

This defence only has two midfielders in front of it for protection.

You are asking for it. 

[Major Isewater]

Welcome to the new season, just like the last ******. 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

there is a clear answer to this staring everybody in the face

 

[Banjo Red]

I'm sorry but for me he has 3 games to sort this shit out.

[cityexile]

Well FT.

Very open match, far too open from our perspective. Sunderland deserved it overall. Two matches, nil points after leading in both.

First half today thought we were ok overall, bar their very poor goal. Second half, just second best. Not going to melt down just yet, but unlike last week when it could be argued we were genuinely unlucky, difficult to not be quite worried after the way that match has actually gone.

[ORANGE500]

Just now, tts_city said:

Pre season optimism shattered again, same shit different season.

What exactly were you expecting when you know there's no money to bring in replacements who are significantly  better so logically it is going to be roughly the same is it not.

[bexhill reds]

Balls…. Can’t really complain, Sunderland good value for the win. Still work to be done. 

[tts_city]

Just now, ORANGE500 said:

What exactly were you expecting when you know there's no money to bring in replacements who are significantly  better so logically it is going to be roughly the same is it not.

How about learning the lesson that vyner is shit ? that would be a decent start for me.

[Dan Robin]

Already two losses: the first one was undeseved, but today we struggled too much to get something.

Disappointing. I need an ice cream.

[Roger Red Hat]

1 minute ago, Banjo Red said:

I'm sorry but for me he has 3 games to sort this shit out.

And then what are you going to do?

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yeah, we should probably abandon all hope.

Easily the worst "fans" in the entire ******* league.

And at the moment "one of the worst teams in the league"

[bexhill reds]

2 minutes ago, Johnr1986 said:

Has to plays wells over Martin it’s been a painful watch today. 

Martin is in there for his defensive work in the box, tends to win a lot of headers at corners. Get someone else that can do that then perhaps so.

2 minutes ago, tts_city said:

How about learning the lesson that vyner is shit ? that would be a decent start for me.

Problem is who else until Kalas is fit?

[ORANGE500]

1 minute ago, tts_city said:

How about learning the lesson that vyner is shit ? that would be a decent start for me.

So are many others in the team that's why they're not very good. Sell Scott to fund better players but I guess you'll moan at that too

[Banjo Red]

3 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

And then what are you going to do?

Take up table tennis

[AshtonRobin21]

Priority position is a new right centre back. 

I was going to give Vyner some credit during the first half. But my word that defending for their second goal is criminal. 

He looked as though his feet were trapped in cement. Made no effort to get to the ball. 

Far too inconsistent to be a championship regular. 

 

Overall I felt we gave it a good go. In possession we look like a top half championship club. Out of position a bottom half club. 

Too keen to play out from the back for the first go. I feel that Bentley shouldn't be giving the ball to Naismith there to begin with. But Bentley was solid throughout, not alot he could do for the goals. 

Alex Scott was a step above. If the Prem Vultures aren't circling already, they might well be after that performance. He controls the game so well. 

[bexhill reds]

Just now, AshtonRobin21 said:

Alex Scott was a step above. If the Prem Vultures aren't circling already, they might well be after that performance. He controls the game so well. 

Might be that we need to sell to improve elsewhere, might be a more positive move overall than we think

[mjd]

Oh  well i am bristol city fan so I am  ment to suffer, must have done something wrong in my  previous life  

[Wanderingred]

Well what a surprise, 3000 away fans come to our ground, have a great time and go home happy. Is there ever any other outcome? 

Two games in, winning in both and threw both away. I think it’s obvious to see that we’re gonna be in for another long hard slog this season, with plenty of late goals conceded and leads thrown away. Gotta grin and bear it I’m afraid.

Edited August 6, 2022 by Wanderingred

[Redrascal2]

7 minutes ago, RudiRed said:

Conceding 3 and could have been more - little progress made - yes we had decent chances ourselves but top teams don't conceed chances like we do. Starting to lose faith.

Something needs to change. We cannot just have a re run of last season. Otherwise it will surely end in relegation.

[Redinthehead]

Just disappointing, moments of looking decent but shaky in defence and just not quite there when it counted.

[roddy-d]

3 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Priority position is a new right centre back. 

I was going to give Vyner some credit during the first half. But my word that defending for their second goal is criminal. 

He looked as though his feet were trapped in cement. Made no effort to get to the ball. 

Far too inconsistent to be a championship regular. 

 

Overall I felt we gave it a good go. In possession we look like a top half championship club. Out of position a bottom half club. 

Too keen to play out from the back for the first go. I feel that Bentley shouldn't be giving the ball to Naismith there to begin with. But Bentley was solid throughout, not alot he could do for the goals. 

Alex Scott was a step above. If the Prem Vultures aren't circling already, they might well be after that performance. He controls the game so well. 

Well I do think Bentley could learn to shut his legs so many balls go between his legs for goals. I’ve lost count myself. 

[AshtonRobin21]

1 minute ago, bexhill reds said:

Might be that we need to sell to improve elsewhere, might be a more positive move overall than we think

As long as it means Vyner doesn't have to start again. 

[Numero Uno]

4 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Priority position is a new right centre back. 

I was going to give Vyner some credit during the first half. But my word that defending for their second goal is criminal. 

He looked as though his feet were trapped in cement. Made no effort to get to the ball. 

Far too inconsistent to be a championship regular. 

 

Overall I felt we gave it a good go. In possession we look like a top half championship club. Out of position a bottom half club. 

Too keen to play out from the back for the first go. I feel that Bentley shouldn't be giving the ball to Naismith there to begin with. But Bentley was solid throughout, not alot he could do for the goals. 

Alex Scott was a step above. If the Prem Vultures aren't circling already, they might well be after that performance. He controls the game so well. 

We desperately need some pace at the back otherwise two goal plus per game conceded won’t go away.

[AshtonGreat]

1 minute ago, Wanderingred said:

Well what a surprise, 3000 away fans come to our ground, have a great time and go home happy. Is there ever any other outcome? 

Two games in, winning in both and threw both away. I think it’s obvious to see that we’re gonna be in for another long hard slog this season, with plenty of late goals conceded and leads thrown away. Gotta grin and beer it I’m afraid.

Are they still in the old Atyeo? Woeful if so

[Sweeneys Penalties]

which clubs are due a points deduction?