Sunderland at home match day thread

[The Bard]

19 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

We have Massengo?

Are you taking the piss?

[CyderHead92]

3 minutes ago, !james said:

Not sure they'll let us use 12 players mind... 

Worth a go. Might win

[WolfOfWestStreet]

4 minutes ago, Bodiesaffer said:

One the winner away can’t remember the team.  He’s not the problem others are.  

That game no one can ever remember! He is absolutely the problem because he's a player we pay ******* mad money to play for this club who do absolutely **** all and get injured having a jog warming up. Wasters 

[cidercity1987]

That was pathetic

We deserved the lead when it came and I thought we would go on to win by 2 or 3 against a fairly limited, 5th best side in L1.

Absolutely folded thereafter, they had far better team spirit and what a concern our defence remains. 

Pearson was wrong to say we only lost to individual errors, they did not help but Sunderland were on top for all of the second half

[RedLionLad]

B R I T O L

C I T Y

[And Its Smith]

27 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

The relevance is we have midfield players that have a proven track record of not contributing anything to winning games.

Rubbish. He's a poor CM and we need to realise this.

Contributions aren’t necessarily goals 

[sh1t_ref_again]

57 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Good first half today but disappeared a bit second half. Didn’t give the ball away at all though. I think he is quick with the ball at his feet over 10-20 yards. He has a burst of energy there. I think he’s better in a 3, pressing higher up. He has tricks to beat people as well. 

HNM took a knock at about 42 minutes, could see he was struggling but just trying to get to half time. 2nd half could not seem to get going again, up to the injury thought he was one if our better players.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

27 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Contributions aren’t necessarily goals 

Talk me through the contributions. 

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

HNM took a knock at about 42 minutes, could see he was struggling but just trying to get to half time. 2nd half could not seem to get going again, up to the injury thought he was one if our better players.

Didn’t spot that. Fair play. I think if he was a player who came through our youth system and didn’t cost us anything, the general consensus of him would be a lot different 

[And Its Smith]

6 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Talk me through the contributions. 

I’m not debating what they contribute. I just think judging them on goals and thinking that’s the only way they can contribute is wrong 

[redsquirrel]

shit shirt=shit season, happened last time with that awful thing with the black bit on the top

[Curr Avon]

7 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

HNM took a knock at about 42 minutes, could see he was struggling but just trying to get to half time. 2nd half could not seem to get going again, up to the injury thought he was one if our better players.

Pritchard smashed him after about 30 seconds and was rightly booked. 

I'm not going into meltdown, Sunderland deserved to win.

However, its highlighted, again, that if you don't have a functioning central midfield and are unable to make like for like changes, there's a whole world of trouble ahead.

Can we bring in reinforcements with the spectre of FFP looming?

 

 

[bexhill reds]

1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said:

We have Massengo?

Not really a defensive minded midfielder, a nasty bastard is required in there

[WolfOfWestStreet]

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I’m not debating what they contribute. I just think judging them on goals and thinking that’s the only way they can contribute is wrong 

Marvin Elliot with a 50p head got a few goals, Steven Pearson the most useless Scottish footballer bar Richard Foster still bagged a few. Why is it so hard to find a box to box midfielder with a finish? I think johnson mugging off Sammy Smozich of however you say his name was a big mistake.

Anyway I think our midfield is shit. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 minute ago, Curr Avon said:

Pritchard smashed him after about 30 seconds and was rightly booked. 

I'm not going into meltdown, Sunderland deserved to win.

However, its highlighted, again, that if you don't have a functioning central midfield and are unable to make like for like changes, there's a whole world of trouble ahead.

Can we bring in reinforcements with the spectre of FFP looming?

 

 

Need to see it again, but at the time thought Pritchard was lucky to stay on the pitch, maybe later in the game he would have seen red.

Not sure if the knock took just before half time compounded the original knock or another, but he just stopped moving after.

[bexhill reds]

1 hour ago, Jeez said:

The reluctance to use the loan market is killing us. Or maybe stubbornness no to use it.

Just look at Simms today, he made huge impact for them and Clark who started as a loan then perm was excellent too.

Might just be that we can’t afford the loan market either, there is a loan fee and salary contributions, unless perhaps a loan with an eventual purchase.

[cidercity1987]

34 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Didn’t spot that. Fair play. I think if he was a player who came through our youth system and didn’t cost us anything, the general consensus of him would be a lot different 

Yeah, but he didn't and he did....

[And Its Smith]

4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Yeah, but he didn't and he did....

Judge the player as the player. Not by their history or price tag. 

[cidercity1987]

5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Judge the player as the player. Not by their history or price tag. 

He was bought in as a £3m investment to make us money in future

Project gone well wrong

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

He was bought in as a £3m investment to make us money in future

Project gone well wrong

I know that.  Not his fault. People say he’s poor etc etc but I’m saying they wouldn’t say that he was from our youth system. His price tag and history is irrelevant to his performances really. 

[Guest]

The only positive from today is that Lee Johnson is no longer manager of Sunderland, 2 games , 2 defeats, another awesome season awaits! 

[RedM]

47 minutes ago, bexhill reds said:

Not really a defensive minded midfielder, a nasty bastard is required in there

I thought that is what William's was meant to be? I understand that he hasn't been fit almost from the moment he arrived here, but I've not seen a lot to suggest he is the controlling midfield player with a nasty streak people were raving about?

[bexhill reds]

Just now, RedM said:

I thought that is what William's was meant to be? I understand that he hasn't been fit almost from the moment he arrived here, but I've not seen a lot to suggest he is the controlling midfield player with a nasty streak people were raving about?

No I don’t think that’s his game, I think he’s more of an offensive minded midfielder. It’s something we’ve not had for years.

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, RedLionLad said:

B R I T O L

C I T Y

Fs. It's spelt Brittle fella, Brittle City. Fs

[Barrs Court Red]

That was well short of where I thought the side had got to last season. 
 

Outpaced and outfought for long spells, especially the 2nd half. 

[tts_city]

2 hours ago, ORANGE500 said:

Kindly **** off and support another club FLOWER

Been supporting this one for 40 years and i dont take advice from cockwombles thanks.

[Eddie Notgetinya]

Same old rubbish. All the way from Norwich and all I got was sun burn 

[YGBjammy]

All those reasons people were excited about this season haven't changed in 2 games. Long time yet.

(It was still quite shit though tbf)

[Swede]

I think Pearson really needs to have a look at the way we set up. There is so much pressure on the wingbacks playing so high leaving three not overly quick central defenders exposed. Playing that same three central defenders means that we are overrun in midfield and as a consequence Sunderland had a stranglehold in midfield in the second half and we just crumbled.

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, RedM said:

I thought that is what William's was meant to be? I understand that he hasn't been fit almost from the moment he arrived here, but I've not seen a lot to suggest he is the controlling midfield player with a nasty streak people were raving about?

He was an aggressive box to box player at Wigan. Injuries have essentially nullified his strengths. We are unlikely ever to see him at his best.

Still, we have Andy King ...

[Major Isewater]

10 minutes ago, chinapig said:

He was an aggressive box to box player at Wigan. Injuries have essentially nullified his strengths. We are unlikely ever to see him at his best.

Still, we have Andy King ...

I think his yellow card nullified his strengths today. He was having to manage his game after that and was nowhere near as affective.

 

[chinapig]

7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I think his yellow card nullified his strengths today. He was having to manage his game after that and was nowhere near as affective.

 

Sure, but the fact remains he is no longer the player he was at Wigan, which is both a shame for him and a problem for us given the other options we have in midfield.

We know Nigel wants a defensive midfielder but our chances of getting one are slim.

[pillred]

5 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Yeah, we should probably abandon all hope.

Easily the worst "fans" in the entire ******* league.

Wasn't good though was it and have you seen any improvement in the 2 years Nigel Pearson has been in charge?

[Garland-sweden]

We have to sort the defence play otherwise it will be a very long season. My local team here in Sweden, second division, have conceded 16 goals in 17 games and are second in the table. They are not a fancy team but the defence is working and the points are coming in. It doesnt matter If we play good football If we concede 2-3 goals every game its Gonna be a long journey.

[BigTone]

12 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

That was pathetic

We deserved the lead when it came and I thought we would go on to win by 2 or 3 against a fairly limited, 5th best side in L1.

Absolutely folded thereafter, they had far better team spirit and what a concern our defence remains. 

Pearson was wrong to say we only lost to individual errors, they did not help but Sunderland were on top for all of the second half

Every time Simms got the ball you could see him scoring

[Johnny Musicworks]

10 hours ago, YGBjammy said:

All those reasons people were excited about this season haven't changed in 2 games. Long time yet.

(It was still quite shit though tbf)

Sadly it appears that all the things people got depressed about last season haven’t changed either

[22A]

OK; last season I posted that the majority of players are right handed and therefore right footed which in turn suggests teams are stronger on their right.

The majority of goals conceded last season were scored by opponents coming in from their left, City's right. I thought that was the reason for signing Right Back George Tanner.

This season Hull's winner followed a throw in on City's right, their left and all three goals conceded yesterday came from moves down City's right.

If I as a fan can see this, why can't the Manager and Coaching staff as they are in a position to do something about it?

[E.G.Red]

2 hours ago, BigTone said:

Every time Simms got the ball you could see him scoring

Which is exactly what the Everton supporters were saying after their match.

[Hamdon Mart]

15 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Need to see it again, but at the time thought Pritchard was lucky to stay on the pitch, maybe later in the game he would have seen red.

Not sure if the knock took just before half time compounded the original knock or another, but he just stopped moving after.

It was Corry Evans that crocked Massengo. 

[Bazooka Joe]

I want Pearson to do well and take us forward, but yesterday was a poor, inexcusable show. The many first-timers and invited mates won't be in a rush to come again after seeing that.

Yeah, we gifted goals but someone, presumably Pearson, is coaching them to play it out from the back, and particularly so close to our goal-line.. That would be fine but we clearly don't have the calibre of players with the skill and slickness to implement that.

Bar one or two exceptions, the players were slow, ponderous and predictable. We lost most of the 50/50's because the players are not physical or aggressive enough.

The fitness levels of certain players was embarrassing. Sunderland were much fitter and sharper. The fitness coach (Euell?) has some explaining to do. Let's hear what he's got to say.

For me, Martin is a waste of space. The guy just plods around the field, loses most heading duels and when he does win one, he nods the ball aimlessly. We're effectively playing with just ten me, when he's on the pitch.  Don't understand Pearsom's aversion to subbing or dropping him. That young Sims guy demonstrated how a good striker is supposed to play.

The mess needs to be sorted immediately.

Finally, on a completely different subject, the club is not geared up for handling large crowds. The rambling queues and length of time it took to get drinks and grub at half-time needs to be addressed. I reckon the club lost a lot of much-needed revenue from the many people around me (and others) who just gave up.

 

[Gert Mare]

A positive I took from yesterday was that Massengo has massive hair.

[Hxj]

I have to say I enjoyed my weekend in Bristol and the match, but then again I'm realistic about the club, and football is a distraction from the rest of my life!

A couple of things to add - the stadium, my first visit, is brilliant, and with my FFP head on I was delighted to see the vast number of pints being downed!  Secondly whenever I return I am surprised about two things, firstly how wonderful the Floating Harbour area is compared to similar areas in most cities I have been to.  Secondly how c£%p the traffic, roadworks and parking is!

As far as City's current achievements go, fascinated to see what the two top results celebrated inside the stadium were.  That's not denigrating those results but does put the club in context.