Clutton Caveman Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 OK I am putting my tin hat on ready for the flack my comments will surely get. We have no defensive midfielder. Even when fit James is just not mobile enough and with his injury record will miss a lot of games. Han is just not suited to that role. Our chances of signing a good Championship level defensive midfielder look remote. So why wouldn't we look at Vyner. He is fast, he has a good pass in him (2 assists so far). Yes he has lapses in concentration but I think these would be less critical in midfield. For me he would need lots of coaching but I cannot see any other option in our squad. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Lots on here would agree with you. But who would you leave out to accommodate him in that role ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I agree with your comment. I've thought all along that he's better suited as a defensive midfielder rather than a central defender with lapses of concentration. But the trouble is with COD gone who will fill the scapegoat role? I am sure Naismith will play the CDM role at some point for us as well. In reality we need to get away from three at the back in order to accommodate a CDM. It will mean a change in Niges's tactics. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) My one question would be what the central defence looks like. Can Naismith play in a two and can he or Atkinson play on the right side of defence? I also sort of think that - if Naismith or Vyner are being touted as possible defensive midfielders - that is as much about whether we tweak where they are on the pitch and how they play in a back three as much as it is a formation change, which are subtly different things. Edited August 8, 2022 by LondonBristolian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Beano Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Definitely worth a try! .... extract from match report11 JAN 2021 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vyners-midfield-role-martins-miscue-4875668 "Admit it, did anyone see Zak Vyner as the game-changing substitute that Bristol City were crying out for? That’s what the former Aberdeen loanee turned out to be, taking over from Tyreeq Bakinson in midfield with ten minutes to play, and adding some forward thrust, regularly picking out the frontmen with incisive passes. He certainly has the dynamism to play in the middle, possessing a great deal of pace and agility, with a defensive nous to go with his impressive, probing passing range. The ability to play anywhere across the back four, and seamlessly slot into midfield when necessary shows the value of the 23-year-old, who has been one of City’s standout players so far this campaign." I also recall he started a couple of times in midfield, and a got a MOM though I can't recall which game. He's 6'1 too and adding a bit of height to the midfield would be no bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Vyner is generally fine as a centre back in possession but the few times I've seen him where he has to worry about players in front and behind him he panicks and does stupid stuff. Vyner is not the answer to our defensive midfield problems. He might have the ability to break up play, but that would be a hypothetical right now, but I think he'd cause more problems than he might cure if he were to play there. Square peg round hole... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Vyner is good in friendlies, good in cup matches, good when the pressure isn't on. But when put under pressure and when we need concentration and to be tight, he loses his cool and does some really silly naive things. He hasn't learned and he won't learn. Not good enough in Midfield in the long run either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I add the doubts about Williams and King's availability, which could leave us even weaker in midfield. Vyner DM probably can't be the long-term answer, but when Kalas will come back I'd try Zak there again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dan Robin said: I add the doubts about Williams and King's availability, which could leave us even weaker in midfield. Vyner DM probably can't be the long-term answer, but when Kalas will come back I'd try Zak there again. But when will Kalas be fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 The problem is that the fans are almost waiting for his next mistake and you can see Vyner visibly wilt when there are groans when he inevitably does. He has had so many chances and although he can hit a good ball and is reasonably quick, he has not got the nastiness, concentration or desire to win required to be a championship footballer. In plain he’s just too nice and would be best for both parties if he moved on. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Apart from loss of concentration a couple of times a game, Vyner is far to passive for me. Whenever he has a chance to leave a bit on a Striker he never dose, that for me is why he tends to get outmuscled, just not aggressive enough, just not that type of player. would imagine his bookings for a Center Back is pretty low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Shuffle said: The problem is that the fans are almost waiting for his next mistake and you can see Vyner visibly wilt when there are groans when he inevitably does. He has had so many chances and although he can hit a good ball and is reasonably quick, he has not got the nastiness, concentration or desire to win required to be a championship footballer. In plain he’s just too nice and would be best for both parties if he moved on. we seem to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I really hoped he would do well. But IMO he just isn’t good enough for brutal Championship football. For us to progress we won’t be doing it if he is in the side. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Thought crossed my mind too, but my head says it won't work out. If things get more dire though, no harm could come from trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 assists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Shuffle said: The problem is that the fans are almost waiting for his next mistake and you can see Vyner visibly wilt when there are groans when he inevitably does. He has had so many chances and although he can hit a good ball and is reasonably quick, he has not got the nastiness, concentration or desire to win required to be a championship footballer. In plain he’s just too nice and would be best for both parties if he moved on. It’s this. Dispassionately Naismith was more to blame on Saturday but the difference is as soon as Zak made a mistake he crumbled & his only other contribution before getting the hook was to slice the ball up in the air, which resulted in Sykes picking up a knock as he attempted to stop their attack. I really wanted another Academy product to succeed but think it is in everyone’s best interest if he moves on now, either on loan or permanently. NP was ruthless with Taylor Moore, now he needs to have the same conversation with Zak. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said: 2 assists He’s assisted the opposition more times than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Captain Beano said: Definitely worth a try! .... extract from match report11 JAN 2021 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vyners-midfield-role-martins-miscue-4875668 "Admit it, did anyone see Zak Vyner as the game-changing substitute that Bristol City were crying out for? That’s what the former Aberdeen loanee turned out to be, taking over from Tyreeq Bakinson in midfield with ten minutes to play, and adding some forward thrust, regularly picking out the frontmen with incisive passes. He certainly has the dynamism to play in the middle, possessing a great deal of pace and agility, with a defensive nous to go with his impressive, probing passing range. The ability to play anywhere across the back four, and seamlessly slot into midfield when necessary shows the value of the 23-year-old, who has been one of City’s standout players so far this campaign." I also recall he started a couple of times in midfield, and a got a MOM though I can't recall which game. He's 6'1 too and adding a bit of height to the midfield would be no bad thing. Didn’t he play CDM in Holden’s first 4 games (which we won?)? Given our lack of options there are worse shouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: It’s this. Dispassionately Naismith was more to blame on Saturday but the difference is as soon as Zak made a mistake he crumbled & his only other contribution before getting the hook was to slice the ball up in the air, which resulted in Sykes picking up a knock as he attempted to stop their attack. I really wanted another Academy product to succeed but think it is in everyone’s best interest if he moves on now, either on loan or permanently. NP was ruthless with Taylor Moore, now he needs to have the same conversation with Zak. We had a topic on the forum around Vyner a few months ago. At the time, there was a general consensus that Vyner would be targeted by the opposition as they knew he was a weak link. Sunderland manager reveals the game plan that helped ensure victory over Bristol City - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk) I think AN's words confirm to me, what every manager in the Championship thinks about Vyner in that position. I was amazed when he came back into the side, as after all we all know what will happen eventually. With Cundy moving on, Idehen's problems, Klose not quite being there; coupled with Kalas's late recovery from injury forced us into a corner somewhat with him. But just like the centre midfield conundrum at present, teams have worked us out, and how to get about us. They know that we will start strongly, won't be able to follow it on. A reset at half time, followed by teams following instructions in the second half (we were 24th in second half points last season), cause us to generally fall apart. The bench looked so lightweight on Sat, no replacement for Martin, or Williams (who after his early yellow card pulled out of a number of challenges, and was unable to have any sort of impact second half). The likes of Wells & Conway were unlikely to have an effect against a team sitting back, and denying us space. Indeed Conway got battered within the first 60 seconds of coming on. The differential of course is Semenyeo going foward. His unpredictability, pace & power makes a huge difference. But that alone doesn't make up for the other deficiencies in the defensive side of the team. Hopefully having either or both of the TKs back in the starting line up will make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Didn’t he play CDM in Holden’s first 4 games (which we won?)? Given our lack of options there are worse shouts. No, he didn’t. He played RCB3, where he has started this season. I think he played there against PNE 2 seasons back and had a good game, but by the same token played there against Coventry and was poor. If you wanted a stopper in front of a back 4/5 to combat direct play into a front pair I could see the merits, I’d still worry about switching off though. But in our current system I think he’d be a poor fit. Unless there is interest then he will remain here. I can see why Moore had interest and why he’s out on loan. We will have to see what happens with Zak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: We had a topic on the forum around Vyner a few months ago. At the time, there was a general consensus that Vyner would be targeted by the opposition as they knew he was a weak link. Sunderland manager reveals the game plan that helped ensure victory over Bristol City - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk) I think AN's words confirm to me, what every manager in the Championship thinks about Vyner in that position. I was amazed when he came back into the side, as after all we all know what will happen eventually. With Cundy moving on, Idehen's problems, Klose not quite being there; coupled with Kalas's late recovery from injury forced us into a corner somewhat with him. But just like the centre midfield conundrum at present, teams have worked us out, and how to get about us. The bench looked so lightweight on Sat, no replacement for Martin, or Williams (who after his early yellow card pulled out of a number of challenges, and was unable to have any sort of impact second half). The likes of Wells & Conway were unlikely to have an effect against a team sitting back, and denying us space. Indeed Conway got battered within the first 60 seconds of coming on. I’ve answered your Martin point elsewhere but bluntly at present because of FFP & Wells still being on our books, we don’t have a replacement/cover for him at all. I’m not sure about the rest of the bench, admittedly having both Tanner & Wilson on it seems a bit mad (though it was only because James dropped out) but Klose is an experienced, physical old pro & if Andy King isn’t good enough to replace Williams if necessary then the question needs to be asked why he got a new contract. You know this, but we are trying to run with a smaller, cheaper squad & the absence of Kalas, Semenyo & on Saturday, James meant we had a first choice player missing from every outfield department. At the risk of repeating myself I do think our best current option is Klose for Vyner, Wilson or Tanner for Sykes, with him then a viable midfield option, particularly with no James. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Love it to work and less of a risk further forward but not sure he’s anywhere near physical enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I’ve answered your Martin point elsewhere but bluntly at present because of FFP & Wells still being on our books, we don’t have a replacement/cover for him at all. I’m not sure about the rest of the bench, admittedly having both Tanner & Wilson on it seems a bit mad (though it was only because James dropped out) but Klose is an experienced, physical old pro & if Andy King isn’t good enough to replace Williams if necessary then the question needs to be asked why he got a new contract. You know this, but we are trying to run with a smaller, cheaper squad & the absence of Kalas, Semenyo & on Saturday, James meant we had a first choice player missing from every outfield department. At the risk of repeating myself I do think our best current option is Klose for Vyner, Wilson or Tanner for Sykes, with him then a viable midfield option, particularly with no James. I've finally got around to listening to the full 16 minute SL interview on RB before the game. He says he's not concerned about FFP? I don't know what that means really. But of note, he now says our wage budget is below £20m Now I'm confused, as RG said that our wage budget this season would be the same as last (approx £25m i'm led to believe). Either way, we are either still making cuts across our wage budgets ( in contrast to the RG interview on RB), or someone is telling porkies somewhere. We were the only club in the 72 last season not to have a loan. If there isn't the finances to fund permanent signings, then surely loans have to be an option? I get the loan fees charged by PL clubs may mean those are unattainable. But I can't believe clubs in the Championship or L1 would be wanting a similar financial arrangement. Rob Hathway has put on our whatsapp group a possible interesting team selection.:- Bentley Tanner, Klose, Atkinson, Dasilva Naismith Wilson, Williams, Scott, Sykes Weimann In the absence of Semenyeo, and after watching Naismith on Sat. I thing it's an interesting formation. Albeit it means dropping Martin (something NP will be loath to do). Certainly looks a lot more solid defensively. @GrahamC and I love your bluntness Edited August 8, 2022 by NcnsBcfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: I've finally got around to listening to the full 16 minute SL interview on RB before the game. He says he's not concerned about FFP? I don't know what that means really. But of note, he now says our wage budget is below £20m Now I'm confused, as RG said that our wage budget this season would be the same as last (approx £25m i'm led to believe). Either way, we are either still making cuts across our wage budgets ( in contrast to the RG interview on RB), or someone is telling porkies somewhere. We were the only club in the 72 last season not to have a loan. If there isn't the finances to fund permanent signings, then surely loans have to be an option? I get the loan fees charged by PL clubs may mean those are unattainable. But I can't believe clubs in the Championship or L1 would be wanting a similar financial arrangement. Rob Hathway has put on our whatsapp group a possible interesting team selection.:- Bentley Tanner, Klose, Atkinson, Dasilva Naismith Wilson, Williams, Scott, Sykes Weimann In the absence of Semenyeo, and after watching Naismith on Sat. I thing it's an interesting formation. Albeit it means dropping Martin (something NP will be loath to do). Certainly looks a lot more solid defensively. @GrahamC and I love your bluntness I’m certainly not the financial expert on here Neil, but I am assuming SL is talking about FFP solely from a points deduction perspective? I cannot see that we have a similar budget, last summer we removed 15 players from the wage bill & only added 5 (Weimann & Baker were already here), this summer O’Dowda, Palmer, Cundy & Bakinson’s wages surely must have been more than those of Naismith, Sykes & Wilson. As for Rob’s side, we have bet the farm on Naismith, so I cannot see him being switched positionally, any more than Martin being dropped. Not important in the scheme of things but Wednesday’s selection will be interesting, Weimann & Scott need a rest, Williams doesn’t play 2 games a week & James must be a doubt, certainly an opportunity for some fringe players.. Edited August 8, 2022 by GrahamC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Neil - you are are mixing up “playing budget” (in terms of below £18-20m as per SL) and wages of the football club. In the last accounts it was £30.252m. My gut feel is we brought down football club wages to circa £24m, and it appears SL is saying the current wages that would make up a potential “FFP salary cap” are below £18m. As a ballpark I’m now gonna work on 1st team wages are around 75% of BCFC Ltd wage costs. When accounts come out I’ll adjust if needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Neil - you are are mixing up “playing budget” (in terms of below £18-20m as per SL) and wages of the football club. In the last accounts it was £30.252m. My gut feel is we brought down football club wages to circa £24m, and it appears SL is saying the current wages that would make up a potential “FFP salary cap” are below £18m. As a ballpark I’m now gonna work on 1st team wages are around 75% of BCFC Ltd wage costs. When accounts come out I’ll adjust if needed. Thanks Dave, as ever you are better than me on this. So when he says a salary cap of £18-20m is that for players, or for the wages of the football club? If it just covered the players, I could see various clubs giving players positions within the club; that aren't covered by the salary cap. Or is that what got Saracens into trouble a few years ago? EDIT: As an aside, do you believe that our "playing budget" then is the same size as last year? As per RG's comments on RB. Edited August 8, 2022 by NcnsBcfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 48 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I’m certainly not the financial expert on here Neil, but I am assuming SL is talking about FFP solely from a points deduction perspective? I cannot see that we have a similar budget, last summer we removed 15 players from the wage bill & only added 5 (Weimann & Baker were already here), this summer O’Dowda, Palmer, Cundy & Bakinson’s wages surely must have been more than those of Naismith, Sykes & Wilson. As for Rob’s side, we have bet the farm on Naismith, so I cannot see him being switched positionally, any more than Martin being dropped. Not important in the scheme of things but Wednesday’s selection will be interesting, Weimann & Scott need a rest, Williams doesn’t play 2 games a week & James must be a doubt, certainly an opportunity for some fringe players.. Sorry Graham. As ever I need to be clearer here. RG insinuated on the 20man RB interview, that the playing budget for season 22-23 would be no less than the playing budget for 21-22 when he was asked. It was just the figures from SL's interview that made me think that the "Playing budget" had dropped lower that 21-22, thus calling into question RG's comments in the above interview. @Davefevs has once again helped by understanding of the differential of playing budget from wages of the football club. It was the wages of the football club that gets bandied around a lot at 200+% of turnover; and that of players. Whereas of course it covers all employees of the football club. Including the analysts on £3.47 per hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I'd rather have had Marlon back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Thanks Dave, as ever you are better than me on this. So when he says a salary cap of £18-20m is that for players, or for the wages of the football club? If it just covered the players, I could see various clubs giving players positions within the club; that aren't covered by the salary cap. Or is that what got Saracens into trouble a few years ago? EDIT: As an aside, do you believe that our "playing budget" then is the same size as last year? As per RG's comments on RB. If it follows the new FIFA method it will be pretty much aligned to Lg1/2 SCMP methodology it will be players pro contracted other than youth on pro contracts plus the “manager”. Just for sake of argument and as an example (ignore Nige for this)let’s say our playing wage bill is £16m and we currently have toughly 30 pro players, then the average wage is about £10k p.w. Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) Alex Neil stated after the match that he used two of his best players (Clarke and Pritchard) to overload their left/our right hand side........up against Sykes and Vyner it proved to be no contest? Edited August 9, 2022 by maxjak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Rather leave him out entirely at this point. He was exposed repeatedly by Simms on Saturday and I'm not sure the back line would feel better with him in front of them instead. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, TBW said: I'm not sure the back line would feel better with him in front of them instead. No - but he could be a cure for constipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I'd honestly consider playing Joe Williams as the Right Centre Back, and a midfield two of James (if fit) and Scott temporarily. There's no doubting that Klose is the better defender, but we cannot play 3 left footed centre backs. Our right hand side will continue to be targeted in the upcoming games, and I don't see Vyner being able to cope positionally with the gaps made available when Sykes or Wilson advance forward. Williams is a calm individual. He communicates well, and would settle into the back line comfortably. He was outstanding in the 'sweeper' role against Middlesbrough last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Davefevs said: No, he didn’t. He played RCB3, where he has started this season. I think he played there against PNE 2 seasons back and had a good game, but by the same token played there against Coventry and was poor. If you wanted a stopper in front of a back 4/5 to combat direct play into a front pair I could see the merits, I’d still worry about switching off though. But in our current system I think he’d be a poor fit. Unless there is interest then he will remain here. I can see why Moore had interest and why he’s out on loan. We will have to see what happens with Zak. Ah yes - couldn’t remember who the third midfielder was: Bakinson, Weimann and not Vyner, but Paterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I haven’t read any of the other comments on Vyner, but in my opinion he’s not anywhere good enough a defender to cut it in the championship. He’s a decent football, perhaps a fullback or midfield player but even then not in the CC. I’m sure he’s only still here because of injuries but lesson surely learnt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, AshtonRobin21 said: I'd honestly consider playing Joe Williams as the Right Centre Back, and a midfield two of James (if fit) and Scott temporarily. There's no doubting that Klose is the better defender, but we cannot play 3 left footed centre backs. Our right hand side will continue to be targeted in the upcoming games, and I don't see Vyner being able to cope positionally with the gaps made available when Sykes or Wilson advance forward. Williams is a calm individual. He communicates well, and would settle into the back line comfortably. He was outstanding in the 'sweeper' role against Middlesbrough last season. I’ll repeat it for those at the back, Klose is right footed. Not sure why so many have him down as a lefty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 hours ago, TBW said: Rather leave him out entirely at this point. He was exposed repeatedly by Simms on Saturday and I'm not sure the back line would feel better with him in front of them instead. In fairness Simms is a class player and would have exposed a lot of others in the same manner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 19 hours ago, GrahamC said: It’s this. Dispassionately Naismith was more to blame on Saturday but the difference is as soon as Zak made a mistake he crumbled & his only other contribution before getting the hook was to slice the ball up in the air, which resulted in Sykes picking up a knock as he attempted to stop their attack. I really wanted another Academy product to succeed but think it is in everyone’s best interest if he moves on now, either on loan or permanently. NP was ruthless with Taylor Moore, now he needs to have the same conversation with Zak. There was interest in Moore, though; there has not been one single enquiry for Vyner as far as I’m told and you can understand why. Not many lower league clubs will match what he’s on at this level, and no Championship club other than maybe Rotherham would take him. Back to the OP’s post, Vyner might well be able to do a job for a game or two in DM but I bet you he would still lose his man at set pieces, lose his runner and be far too passive to make the position his own at this level. He’s 25 now; he’s no youngster anymore. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said: I'd honestly consider playing Joe Williams as the Right Centre Back, and a midfield two of James (if fit) and Scott temporarily. There's no doubting that Klose is the better defender, but we cannot play 3 left footed centre backs. Our right hand side will continue to be targeted in the upcoming games, and I don't see Vyner being able to cope positionally with the gaps made available when Sykes or Wilson advance forward. Williams is a calm individual. He communicates well, and would settle into the back line comfortably. He was outstanding in the 'sweeper' role against Middlesbrough last season. Scott - permanently (not temporarily) 52 minutes ago, James54De said: I’ll repeat it for those at the back, Klose is right footed. Not sure why so many have him down as a lefty Because he is a rarity who is technically capable on his left foot. I keep saying, he’s played the vast majority of his career right of centre, in a back 4, or centre or right of centre in a back 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Zak Vyner should never wear a city shirt again. Not good enough in any position. Said it 2 years ago and stand by it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Not good enough even as a squad player. It’s a shame as i feel Zak’s heart is in the right place but you need so much more than that to succeed at Championship level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 20 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: 2 assists Ready made replacement for Alex Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 Not aggressive enough, can’t jump to head a ball and get turned far too easily. Also switches off and has no awareness of where his marker is….next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 On 08/08/2022 at 13:44, Sir Geoff said: Lots on here would agree with you. But who would you leave out to accommodate him in that role ? How about the kid with the big hair that DOESN'T SCORE, DOESN'T ASSIST, DOESN'T STOP THE ******* BALL ENDING UP IN OUR NET and wants to piss off at the end of the season if not January?!! Vyner has two assists this season from Centre Half, that's one more assist than HNM has managed in his CAREER at this club. He's also scored two goals at Championship level, that's two more than HNM has managed since he's been here. Am I missing something with the French lad who wants out? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: How about the kid with the big hair that DOESN'T SCORE, DOESN'T ASSIST, DOESN'T STOP THE ******* BALL ENDING UP IN OUR NET and wants to piss off at the end of the season if not January?!! Vyner has two assists this season from Centre Half, that's one more assist than HNM has managed in his CAREER at this club. He's also scored two goals at Championship level, that's two more than HNM has managed since he's been here. Am I missing something with the French lad who wants out? I know you are not keen on H-NM, but that is quite amusing. Incidentally, I am not disputing the general thrust of your message, just that it elicited a wry smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 minute ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I know you are not keen on H-NM, but that is quite amusing. Incidentally, I am not disputing the general thrust of your message, just that it elicited a wry smile. I'm not saying HNM is a bad player and I'm sure he would do a lot better in the right set up. Let's face facts, that set up isn't ours and add in the fact that he wants to run his contract down I wouldn't play him or even include him in the squad. I would do everything in my power, if I was the club, to get him out the building in the next fortnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Numero Uno said: I'm not saying HNM is a bad player and I'm sure he would do a lot better in the right set up. Let's face facts, that set up isn't ours and add in the fact that he wants to run his contract down I wouldn't play him or even include him in the squad. I would do everything in my power, if I was the club, to get him out the building in the next fortnight. In normal times I would agree 100%. But we are one injury away from a midfield crisis with James out for "3-4 weeks" (we all know what that means). We need him, if only as a body on the field. Not a fan of HNM these days, he's technically very good, but a bit of a show pony who hasn't progressed in the last 3 years - but we need him at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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