Cam Pring

[robin for life]

Having watched Nige's interview, does anyone think that Cam Pring might have peeved him off. Pearson seemed rather aggressive when asked why he wasn't in the squad last weekend. 

[Sheltons Army]

4 minutes ago, robin for life said:

Having watched Nige's interview, does anyone think that Cam Pring might have peeved him off. Pearson seemed rather aggressive when asked why he wasn't in the squad last weekend. 

I think it’s more he gets peeved off with ‘questions’ that basically question his selections or leave the idea there may be an underlying issue

Hes similar when asked similar about any player not in the side

[BCFCGav]

Think he may start tomorrow, bench at least. I really really rate him, think he could be big. 

[Edgy Red]

To be fair, Nige gets spikey at most questions he's asked. I think his attitude reflects the results his team are getting.

I like Pring and actually think he would be a better option than JD but i'm not sure we'll see much of him.

JD is clearly a better technical footballer but he really does flatter to deceive. Pring has the athleticism and pace to do well in the left wing back role so i hope he does get back to fitness. Whether Nige selects him is another question.

[GrahamC]

I have said for a while I think Pring has a bit to do to get back into Nige’s good books.

People focussed on Vyner rarely featuring after the 3-1 defeat at Swansea but nor did he, making only 3 starts after February.

I know he has had a few injuries but I’m not sure he’s inked in to his plans.

[Simon bristol]

Agreed, i dont think pring is one of the favourites, he’s obviously an athlete but i expect he will go the same way as lots of others and will be let go.

[Edgy Red]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I have said for a while I think Pring has a bit to do to get back into Nige’s good books.

People focussed on Vyner rarely featuring after the 3-1 defeat at Swansea but nor did he, making only 3 starts after February.

I know he has had a few injuries but I’m not sure he’s inked in to his plans.

This is one of my big issues with Nige and the way he manages the squad. I don't think Pring did alot wrong when he played and yet the perception is that he has to get back in to his good books.

Obviously we don't know all that goes on behind the scenes but we only have a small squad and surely every player is vital.

Jay doesn't fill me with huge confidence and he will never justify the fee we paid for him (not his fault i know). I just think Pring would be a really good option.

[PHILINFRANCE]

9 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I have said for a while I think Pring has a bit to do to get back into Nige’s good books.

People focussed on Vyner rarely featuring after the 3-1 defeat at Swansea but nor did he, making only 3 starts after February.

I know he has had a few injuries but I’m not sure he’s inked in to his plans.

I can’t recall which match it was last season when, in virtually the last minute, rather than take the ball to the corner flag when he was already in their half, he lost possession and we conceded an equaliser.

I am pretty sure that, almost immediately after the final whistle, NP said in his post-match interview that he was fed up with players who wouldn’t follow instructions

I remember, I was convinced at the time he was referring to Pring.

[cityal]

Just now, PHILINFRANCE said:

I can’t recall which match it was last season when, in virtually the last minute, rather than take the ball to the corner flag when he was already in their half, he lost possession and we conceded an equaliser.

I am pretty sure that, almost immediately after the final whistle, NP said in his post-match interview that he was fed up with players who wouldn’t follow instructions

I remember, I was convinced at the time he was referring to Pring.

Preston away IIRC

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, cityal said:

Preston away IIRC

Yep, Swansea away not long after that he failed to notice his man at the back stick who tapped it in for a goal.

[Mendip City]

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, Swansea away not long after that he failed to notice his man at the back stick who tapped it in for a goal.

I don’t remember many clangers from Pring and that was no worse a mistake than Naismith on Saturday but I doubt he’ll land on the discard pile!! 
There does seem a lot of “face fits” with NP and I’m not sure the tough love approach really works with modern players. 

[GrahamC]

17 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

I don’t remember many clangers from Pring and that was no worse a mistake than Naismith on Saturday but I doubt he’ll land on the discard pile!! 
There does seem a lot of “face fits” with NP and I’m not sure the tough love approach really works with modern players. 

I told you what they were.

Are you suggesting we ditch Naismith then?

[And Its Smith]

If Pring could last 90 mins it would help his case for selection 

[Edgy Red]

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I told you what they were.

Are you suggesting we ditch Naismith then?

I don't think that fits Nige's narrative as he signed Naismith

[eardun]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

I think it’s more he gets peeved off with ‘questions’ that basically question his selections or leave the idea there may be an underlying issue

Hes similar when asked similar about any player not in the side

Agree - it’s the Q not the player. He explains that he selects the starting 11 and bench based on what he thinks is best for the team on the day. Pretty logical and straightforward. Doesn’t have to be a conspiracy theory every time someone doesn’t make the squad. Some of the Qs were even about not making the squad last season! 

[AshtonRobin21]

Pearson seemed frustrated during pre-season. Pring withdrew himself from a friendly saying that he wasn't fit to play. 

Add in the fact that Pring often needs to be subbed after 60 minutes as he is knackered. 

I think Pearson wants players who will push through the pain barrier. However that said, I do not think he has a problem with Pring. I think Pring just needs to earn his place back in the squad. 

I thought it was odd that we have had two right wing backs on the bench instead of Pring in recent weeks. 

 

FWIW, the standard of questioning in the press conference was very poor. A lot of topics were repeated, and a few journalists answered their own questions.

[headhunter]

12 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

If Pring could last 90 mins it would help his case for selection 

Agree, he's usually "blowing" after 70 minutes. 

[eardun]

Just now, AshtonRobin21 said:

Pearson seemed frustrated during pre-season. Pring withdrew himself from a friendly saying that he wasn't fit to play. 

Add in the fact that Pring often needs to be subbed after 60 minutes as he is knackered. 

I think Pearson wants players who will push through the pain barrier. However that said, I do not think he has a problem with Pring. I think Pring just needs to earn his place back in the squad. 

I thought it was odd that we have had two right wing backs on the bench instead of Pring in recent weeks. 

FWIW, the standard of questioning in the press conference was very poor. A lot of topics were repeated, and a few journalists answered their own questions.

Agree. My favourite is the one who thinks Coventry are a one man team (Kasey Palmer) and expects us to be working night and day solely on our plans to stop him! 

[Sheltons Army]

2 minutes ago, headhunter said:

Agree, he's usually "blowing" after 70 minutes. 

I’ve wondered for a while whether his asthma is an issue.

* On a similar issue , and when people say Chris Martins ‘legs have gone, its worth remembering he  suffers from Colitis which can be debilitating 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[Mendip City]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

I told you what they were.

Are you suggesting we ditch Naismith then?

Not sure I understand. I’m expanding on what you said. It seems Pring hasn’t been trusted since dropping a clanger. Naismith dropped an equal clanger (and is way more experienced). Im saying neither should be dropped for a big mistake, as all players make them. Problem is that Pring, who seemed pretty steady, has really had to pay the penalty for his mistake… I’m saying it seems not all players are treated equally. 

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Pearson seemed frustrated during pre-season. Pring withdrew himself from a friendly saying that he wasn't fit to play. 

Add in the fact that Pring often needs to be subbed after 60 minutes as he is knackered. 

I think Pearson wants players who will push through the pain barrier. However that said, I do not think he has a problem with Pring. I think Pring just needs to earn his place back in the squad. 

I thought it was odd that we have had two right wing backs on the bench instead of Pring in recent weeks. 

 

FWIW, the standard of questioning in the press conference was very poor. A lot of topics were repeated, and a few journalists answered their own questions.

To add….he said at the end of the season, he thought Pring had a very good breakthrough season.  He made 40 squads.  I think the season caught up with him.  It’s a physical leap from lg1 / lg2, couple that with training whilst trying to adjust…and it catches up with you.

I think people read far too much into things.

Now, this summer he’s missed a lot of pre-season.  Trying to catch up pre-season is hard, because you’re trying to get fit whilst not getting the chance to impress in training.  It’s a bit of a double edged sword.

So, he’s now back in contention, but needs to force his way in….I don’t see the problem.

[AshtonRobin21]

5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

To add….he said at the end of the season, he thought Pring had a very good breakthrough season.  He made 40 squads.  I think the season caught up with him.  It’s a physical leap from lg1 / lg2, couple that with training whilst trying to adjust…and it catches up with you.

I think people read far too much into things.

Now, this summer he’s missed a lot of pre-season.  Trying to catch up pre-season is hard, because you’re trying to get fit whilst not getting the chance to impress in training.  It’s a bit of a double edged sword.

So, he’s now back in contention, but needs to force his way in….I don’t see the problem.

Personally, I think Pring performed well last season. He looked good in the left Wing-back role. 

He does tend to exhaust all his energy around the 60 minute mark (can be common for wing-backs), so there's always the question of needing to sub him during the game. 

I don't believe Nige has problem with Pring, but definitely wants to see abit more from him. Nige does like to challenge players who aren't currently in the starting 11 (seen with Bentley, Dasilva and Atkinson previously). 

But as you mention, Pring is now trying to catch up on match fitness, and will feature at some point. Pring certainly has the ability to force himself back in. 

[brad blit]

This is a non story.

Cam missed lots of pre season due to a niggly injury, and now has to work his way back to full fitness and get himself back in the team,

There were a couple of enquiries for Cam over the summer, but these were rebuffed by City - NP told Pring how important he would be this year (competing with one of our better performers/players) and he would get plenty of game time due to the 5 sub ruling and fitness needed at LWB/RWB positions.

[nickolas]

9 hours ago, Mendip City said:

Not sure I understand. I’m expanding on what you said. It seems Pring hasn’t been trusted since dropping a clanger. Naismith dropped an equal clanger (and is way more experienced). Im saying neither should be dropped for a big mistake, as all players make them. Problem is that Pring, who seemed pretty steady, has really had to pay the penalty for his mistake… I’m saying it seems not all players are treated equally. 

Problem is, Pring’s ‘clanger’ was almost 90 yards from our goal at Preston. Hardly a clanger as we had the whole pitch to defend when he lost it. 
Naismith trying to take on the striker 25 yards from goal when ive seen milk turn faster than him was way worse, yet hes a Pearson signing so will be nothing heard about it!

Pring is a very decent left sided player for us. He does seem to struggle near the ends of games but you get the benefit of him for 70 mins or a substitute cameo for 30. 
I think Nige holds a grudge too easily imo. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

Unless anyone on here has solid Information about a grudge against Cam by NP, then its all just speculation and reading into situations and making assumptions that could be way off. 

You only have to look at the DaSilva situation and maybe Vyner to see if you work hard the door is open. The exception being TB, but I think he said something that NP had to stamp his authority on and there was no way back from for him.

[Mendip City]

19 minutes ago, nickolas said:

Problem is, Pring’s ‘clanger’ was almost 90 yards from our goal at Preston. Hardly a clanger as we had the whole pitch to defend when he lost it. 
Naismith trying to take on the striker 25 yards from goal when ive seen milk turn faster than him was way worse, yet hes a Pearson signing so will be nothing heard about it!

Pring is a very decent left sided player for us. He does seem to struggle near the ends of games but you get the benefit of him for 70 mins or a substitute cameo for 30. 
I think Nige holds a grudge too easily imo. 

He does seem to hold a grudge, that and putting people on the naughty step, the tough love approach all seems increasingly outdated now.  
 

[exAtyeoMax]

Love Cam, he was my favourite player last season. I’d be gutted if he left. 

[nickolas]

1 minute ago, Mendip City said:

He does seem to hold a grudge, that and putting people on the naughty step, the tough love approach all seems increasingly outdated now.  
 

Yep. Works for a while i reckon ( GJ was the same ), but it soon wears off and player-power will take hold at some point and the Manager will be gone. 

[TheReds]

11 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

FWIW, the standard of questioning in the press conference was very poor. A lot of topics were repeated, and a few journalists answered their own questions.

I stated watching it and turned it off after a few minutes. It's just awful journalism imo.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Personally, I think Pring performed well last season. He looked good in the left Wing-back role. 

So do I. When he goes forward he reminds me a bit of Dave Smith…not particularly refined, but quick and powerful.

36 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

He does seem to hold a grudge, that and putting people on the naughty step, the tough love approach all seems increasingly outdated now.  
 

But pretty much every player says Nige is nothing like that.  Demanding, yes, but that’s what building the right culture is about.  As fans we moaned like “hell” that we had a cosy club attitude running through the club, now we moan because the standards required are higher.

I see absolutely no evidence that Cam and Nige have had any falling out.  Nige can be very blunt (rude) in his media interviews, but his answers yesterday were just that…not aimed at Cam, more at the useless first interviewer who set the tone with a shit set of Qs.

[Red-Robbo]

12 hours ago, Mendip City said:

I don’t remember many clangers from Pring and that was no worse a mistake than Naismith on Saturday but I doubt he’ll land on the discard pile!! 
There does seem a lot of “face fits” with NP and I’m not sure the tough love approach really works with modern players. 

If Naismith regularly did that, he most certainly would be in the discard pile. The fact it was a one-off mistake and he had an otherwise OK match means of course, he'll still feature.

One thing about Pearson is he has shown he is willing to drop all sorts of players, from Bentley (in the past) to Wells, if he thinks they are consistently not performing. 

The starts given to Zak Vyner show he is also open to allow people to work their way back into contention.  Not that I think Zak has managed that after his failure in the Sunderland game.

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

If Naismith regularly did that, he most certainly would be in the discard pile. The fact it was a one-off mistake and he had an otherwise OK match means of course, he'll still feature.

One thing about Pearson is he has shown he is willing to drop all sorts of players, from Bentley (in the past) to Wells, if he thinks they are consistently not performing. 

The starts given to Zak Vyner show he is also open to allow people to work their way back into contention.  Not that I think Zak has managed that after his failure in the Sunderland game.

As Naismith was probably our MOTM v Hull, one mistake and one bad performance don’t deserve the hook.  As you say, if he continues with rickets then he will find himself out if the team too.

[Port Said Red]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So do I. When he goes forward he reminds me a bit of Dave Smith…not particularly refined, but quick and powerful.

But pretty much every player says Nige is nothing like that.  Demanding, yes, but that’s what building the right culture is about.  As fans we moaned like “hell” that we had a cosy club attitude running through the club, now we moan because the standards required are higher.

I see absolutely no evidence that Cam and Nige have had any falling out.  Nige can be very blunt (rude) in his media interviews, but his answers yesterday were just that…not aimed at Cam, more at the useless first interviewer who set the tone with a shit set of Qs.

You only have to look at which posters are talking up a non-existent grudge and questioning the Managers approach. @brad blitis closest from what I've heard to what the situation is. 

I also think that issue with playing 90 minutes is a red herring, especially with the extra subs now, I don't think we will expect any of our wingbacks to be playing the whole game if there are suitable replacements, I don't think it's possible for more than a handful of players in all football to play that role effectively all the time.

[Lew-T]

12 hours ago, GrahamC said:

I told you what they were.

Are you suggesting we ditch Naismith then?

Why do you always have to be a prickly douche bag?

For the ‘likes’ I suppose…

[maxjak]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

As Naismith was probably our MOTM v Hull, one mistake and one bad performance don’t deserve the hook.  As you say, if he continues with rickets then he will find himself out if the team too.

Sorry to be a pedant.......but he also made 2 mistakes v Sunderland?   The early goal when he lost the ball coming out of defence, and he was the wrong side of the attacker who scored the headed third?  Don't  get me wrong, i highly rate Naismith, and over the course of the season i am sure he will prove to be  a great asset?  It is just that everyone is on Vyner's case for one pheck up on Saturday........whereas for me, Naismith was responsible for two?  Of course he should stay in the side, as he is quality, just a couple of blips while he settles in, he will be fine long term, of which i am certain?

Edited August 10, 2022 by maxjak

[Davefevs]

33 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Sorry to be a pedant.......but he also made 2 mistakes v Sunderland?   The early goal when he lost the ball coming out of defence, and he was the wrong side of the attacker who scored the headed third?  Don't  get me wrong, i highly rate Naismith, and over the course of the season i am sure he will prove to be  a great asset?  It is just that everyone is on Vyner's case for one pheck up on Saturday........whereas for me, Naismith was responsible for two?  Of course he should stay in the side, as he is quality, just a couple of blips while he settles in, he will be fine long term, of which i am certain?

I think he was partially at fault for the third goal too, but I’d wrapped that up in “bad performances”.  You could argue others contributed to that goal, e.g. Williams allowing Pritchard ages to cross.  I might also argue he was goal side but badly positioned rather than wrong side per se, but I think we are in agreement he had a poor game overall…that’s the main point.

And I agree re Vyner too.  My post on Saturday evening was (paraphrased) - why is there a thread for Vyner but not Naismith.

Again we agree that Naismith is unlikely (based on history) to be repeating said mistake(s) like Vyner has.

[Kolsch]

Hope Pring gets a chance tonight. Offers a different dynamic to Dasilva.

[Son of Fred]

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

It is just that everyone is on Vyner's case for one pheck up on Saturday........whereas for me, Naismith was responsible for two? 

It's not like that...

It's that Vyner is unfit for purpose.

Not so in the case of Naysmith..  Ha!

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

11 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

It's not like that...

It's that Vyner is unfit for purpose.

Not so in the case of Naysmith..  Ha!

Whatever happened to ‘one of our own’?

[Better Red]

team for tonight

                     Bentley

     Vyner    Klose     Towler  

Tanner                             Pring

       Naismith   Massengo

                                                  Wilson.       Wells         Sykes
 

Not sure if Pring fit

Bench -  Atkinson, Wieman, Martin, DSL and Williams 

Add King, Conway.

Add more pace into the front 3

A lot more energy in the team.

Gives Tanner, Towler and Pring a run out.

Can also go to the subs bench if needed.

[Better Red]

Just now, Better Red said:

team for tonight

                     Bentley

     Vyner    Klose     Towler  

Tanner                             Pring

       Naismith   Massengo

                                                  Wilson.       Wells         Sykes
 

Not sure if Pring fit

Bench -  Atkinson, Wieman, Martin, DSL and Williams 

Add King, Conway.

Add more pace into the front 3

A lot more energy in the team.

Gives Tanner, Towler and Pring a run out.

Can also go to the subs bench if needed.

Front three

Wilson.     Wells    Sykes 

[Davefevs]

Conspiracy theory no. 26432 ? 

[PHILINFRANCE]

He played the full 90 minutes this evening.

[Offside]

I was impressed by Pring last season. He’s been criticised for what happened at Preston, but I think he was unlucky there and we had the rest of the team behind the ball after he was fouled/tackled. I agree he was at fault for the goal conceded at Swansea. 

Not sure why he didn’t feature as much in the after part of last season but I’m pleased that he was back in the side tonight. 

[CiderHeadDan]

Pring’s not a young player but still lacks experience at this level. If there was any grudge held against him because of his Preston last minutes decision, I think it’s really harsh. A player who’s broke through and exceeded expectations, who makes a few small mistakes and gets penalised for it. 
it’s all hearsay but personally would put Pring as first choice in the wingback role.

[AshtonRobin21]

Pring gave a really good account of himself tonight. 

When he's in form, he can push Dasilva all the way. And likewise for Jay. 

We need that healthy competition within the squad, where players aren't comfortable that they will be starting every week. 

Conway's goals will also keep the frontline on their toes (although they are all in-form themselves). 

Competition for places within a small squad could do wonders for results/performances moving forward.