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Having won well on Wednesday evening confidence will be up, so let’s hope we can perform well, get our first league points and start to build some momentum.

Why are some football clubs called athletic?  It’s a traditional name for a football club coming initially from track and field clubs. A team bearing this name has never won the league, although Oldham and Charlton have both finished as runners-up.

Wigan’s history

Established in 1932, the club would establish itself as a big name in non-league football over the forthcoming 46 years, claiming four Cheshire League and Lancashire Combination titles, as well as two Northern Premier League honours shortly before their election to the Football League in 1978.

Former Latics player and European Cup winner Larry Lloyd helped achieve promotion for the very first time in 1982, moving into the Third Division where they remained until 1993 before suffering relegation back to the bottom tier of league football.

In 1985, victory at Wembley was tasted for the first time, defeating Brentford in the Freight Rover Trophy Final 3-1, with Mike Newell, Tony Kelly and David Lowe scoring the goals for Bryan Hamilton’s team.

As for league competition, the club’s rise from the foot of the Fourth Division to the peak of the Premier League was unique, and was catalysed following the arrival of local businessman David Whelan, who bought the club in 1995 and powered an incredible rise through the leagues in the space of ten fantastic years.

When Whelan’s football career, as an uncompromising defender at Blackburn Rovers, was cruelly cut short after breaking his leg in the 1960 FA Cup Final against Wolverhampton Wanderers, he used the compensation to build his JJB Sports business empire. He purchased Wigan Athletic for around £400,000, and invested an estimated £100 million into his home-town club. The enduring legacy of his backing is undoubtedly the DW Stadium. Opened in 1999, the 25,000 capacity all-seater stadium replaced the club’s former Springfield Park home and provides a setting fit for the Premier League.

He forecast shortly after his arrival that Wigan Athletic would one day be playing Premier League football, and although many scoffed at the thought, the vision became a little clearer in 1997 when the team were crowned Division Three Champions under the guidance of Manager John Deehan.

Two years later, Latics were back at Wembley to contest the Auto Windscreens Shield Final against Millwall with Ray Mathias the man in charge. Paul Rogers’ late goal sealed another victory for the club under the twin towers where they would return barely a year later to take on Gillingham in the Division Two Play Off Final, now managed by John Benson.

However, it was a heartbreaking final, losing to Gillingham 3-2 after extra time, despite a late equaliser from Stuart Barlow to take the team within touching distance of the second tier. That honour would have to wait until a record-breaking 2002/03 season in which 100 points were put on the board as Paul Jewell’s side swept aside all before them and were crowned champions – destined for the First Division a huge step closer to Whelan’s Premier League dream being realised.

2005 marked the club’s ascension into the top-flight, finishing second in the newly-named Championship to clinch an automatic promotion place into the promised land of the Premier League.

Over the following eight years the club would continually defy the odds, and the critics, to remain in the top flight and, before their relegation in 2013, proudly stand as the ninth longest serving team in the division.

2013 of course also marked the year of one of the club’s greatest achievements...being crowned as FA Cup winners for the first time after a dramatic Wembley win against Manchester City, the likes of which the famous competition has rarely seen nor will see again.

Roberto Martinez, at the helm for four years guided the team, led onto the pitch at the start of the day by Whelan, to glory against one of the world’s richest clubs with a starting eleven assembled after spending over £100 million.

Ben Watson’s injury-time header was the difference, not only closing a remarkable chapter in Wigan Athletic’s history, but also one in the Chairman’s returning to the venue of one of his darkest days to celebrate one of the proudest.

Sadly, relegation from the Premier League followed days after the FA Cup win and manager Martinez left to join Everton.

Uwe Rosler followed Owen Coyle’s brief reign as Latics boss and took the club back to Wembley again in the FA Cup semi-finals, where his side lost to Arsenal on penalties. Having also competed in the UEFA Europa League for the first time, Rosler’s side battled to a play-off place in the Sky Bet Championship but their race was won as they lost to eventual promotion winners QPR over two legs.

A season later and a second relegation in three seasons was confirmed as Latics dropped to the third tier for the first time in 12 years. Whelan handed over the chairmanship of the club to his grandson, David Sharpe towards the end of the 2014-15 campaign after over two decades at the helm.

Sharpe’s first big decision saw him appoint former captain Gary Caldwell as manager ahead of the 2015-16 League One season. Caldwell immediately repaying Sharpe’s faith as he led the club to the title and a return to the second tier for 2016-17.

Unfortunately, though, a return to the second tier was ultimately unsuccessful; Caldwell was replaced by Warren Joyce midway through the campaign but the former Manchester United coach couldn't produce the results and his spell as manager lasted just five months.

Former Latics player Paul Cook was appointed as manager the following summer, having just won promotion from League Two to League One with Portsmouth. Cook oversaw an overhaul of Latics' squad and produced a record-breaking first campaign with the club as he won the Sky Bet League One title and led Latics to the FA Cup Quarter-Finals, notably beating Pep Guardiola's Manchester City 1-0 in the Fifth Round, ending their hopes of an unprecedented treble.

On 1 July 2020, less than a month after a change of ownership, it was placed into administration and was relegated from the Championship due to the subsequent points deduction. In  March 2021, the administrators were in advanced talks with a consortium, Phoenix 2021 Ltd, led by a Bahrain businessman, Talal Mubarak al-Hammad, and a takeover was agreed on 15 March, subject to EFL approval and finalisation of paperwork. Under the proposed deal, Al-Hammad would become chairman, and Mal Brannigan (previously involved with Dundalk and Dundee United) would be chief executive. EFL approval for the takeover was confirmed on 30 March 2021. In May, the former administrators repaid £171,000 raised by supporters to keep the club going when it first went into administration.The club finished the 2020–21 season in 20th position, one point above the relegation places. Then having narrowly avoided relegation to League Two Wigan won the League One title for a fourth time last season when they topped the table with 92 points.

This article explains their remarkable turn around under boss Leam Richardson, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61245705

They have started life in the Championship with draws against PNE and Norwich, on Tuesday they were away at Fleetwood in the EFL Cup and made 11 changes from their draw against Norwich, Fleetwood had one effort on target and won 1-0.

Our head to head record  against them is won 13, drawn 9 and lost 6. Our last encounter against them in 2020 saw us winning 2-0, here are the highlights:

 

We signed Joe Williams from them back in 2020. Williams was born in Liverpool and joined local side Everton at the age of seven, progressing through the age groups to become a first year scholar in June 2013.

In July 2017 he joined Barnsley on loan. On 23 August 2018 he joined Bolton Wanderers on a season long loan. In July 2019 he signed for Wigan Athletic.

On 20 August 2020, Williams signed for us for £1,200,000 signing a four-year deal.

He represented England at under-20 youth level.

Wigan facts

  • Wiganer George Formby was given a top award by the Russians who loved the humour in his films.
  • In the 1830s Wigan became one of the first towns in Britain to be served by a railway.
  • Ian McKellen's father, who worked in Wigan Corporation's Engineers' Department, was killed in a car crash. His sister Jean died in a fall down stairs.
  • Once the centre of the Lancashire coalfield - in the late 1800s there were 1,000 pit shafts within five miles of the town centre - Wigan no longer has any collieries. The last pit, Bickershaw, closed in 1992.
  • The Verve were Wigan's most famous musical export since ... George Formby! The band were all from the Wigan area and met while at Winstanley College, a sixth form centre on the outskirts of town.
  • In the 1960s and 70s, Wigan Casino was the spiritual home of 'Northern Soul' music, attracting thousands to its famous all-nighters. The casino burnt down in the early 1980s. In the 90s the town gained a reputation as a centre for jazz and now hosts an international jazz festival every summer.
  • Literary links include George Orwell, whose unflattering portrait of the town at the height of the depression in the 1930s, The Road to Wigan Pier, angered many, and American thriller writer Martin Cruz Smith, whose 1996 novel Rose was set in Victorian Wigan.
  • Thomas Beecham first manufactured his famous pills in Wigan.
  • On 2 December 1997 Wigan Athletic and Bristol Rovers matched an English record by receiving a total of five red cards, four of them in the first half, the Gas picked up four of the five reds!
  • Marks and Spencer was born in Wigan when Michael Marks joined forces with Thomas Spencer in 1894. For three years the town was the firm's headquarters.
  • Famous Wigan food products include Heinz baked beans, Pataks Indian foods, Potters herbal remedies, Uncle Joe's Mint Balls, and De Roma ice cream.

Away guide from Jack Phillips: https://jackphillipssport.wordpress.com/

Pubs

Best chip shops in Wigan, https://www.wigantoday.net/lifestyle/food-and-drink/these-are-the-12-best-fish-and-chip-shops-in-wigan-according-to-tripadvisor-3261286

Wigan is rightly proud of its pies, here are the top ten…. https://www.lifeofpies.co.uk/buy/the-top-ten-pies-in-wigan/

They have just recruited to their vacant mascot position! https://www.sportbible.com/football/wigan-athletic-are-looking-for-someone-to-be-their-new-mascot-20220630

The job add read….Do you want to be part of our Wigan Athletic journey? Are you a bubbly, enthusiastic and a fun individual? If yes, we have an opportunity for you! Crusty the Pie’ is our Club Mascot and the purpose of Crusty is to proactively engage with supporters whilst making people smile with positive energy and passion. Ensuring supporters leave remembering a remarkable day and to help promote the Wigan Athletic Junior supporters club, by engaging with our younger fans at various events located across Wigan and Leigh. Working hours: flexible to work 4-6 hours per match-day working home matches [including evening, weekend and bank-holidays] plus events which require Crusty. Contract type: Fixed-Term [for the duration of the football season]

A giant pie was revealed as Wigan Athletic's new mascot at the start of the 2019-2020 season. More than 90 primary schools were invited to submit ideas - with over half of the entries opting for a pie. Crusty The Pie was chosen as the winner of the competition.Local children Cayden, eight, and Neve, nine, designed and presented the quirky mascot "We designed Crusty like this because everyone in Wigan loves pies," the schoolchildren said.

And finally, it’s my birthday on Saturday, the best present would be a good team performance and a win!

Enjoy the game, COYR.

 

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7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

 Who’d want to be Wigan’s pie mascot, mincing around on match days ? 
Happy birthday for Saturday Mr Bean.

I heard he's quite a hard crust with plenty of beef underneath. He's not flaky and is no chicken.

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Great post, as always, but it’s sad reading. Wigan, had a non league club until fairly recently, has been in the Premier League, won the FA Cup and was the centre of Northern Soul. We, on the other hand, have just had disappointment and the bloody Wurzels! 

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Thanks, as always, for a very interesting match day thread.

In particular, I was intrigued by the following little snippet about their benefactor, David Whelan.

When Whelan’s football career, as an uncompromising defender at Blackburn Rovers, was cruelly cut short after breaking his leg in the 1960 FA Cup Final against Wolverhampton Wanderers, he used the compensation to build his JJB Sports business empire.

I don't think I have ever heard that, and I certainly don't recall DW ever mentioning it in the many interviews he has given. 

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3 hours ago, BigTone said:

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Wigan Athletic:

A giant pie called Crusty is Wigan's mascot.

COYR

PS: Happy 85th Jerseybean

Cheers BT 

3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

 Who’d want to be Wigan’s pie mascot, mincing around on match days ? 
Happy birthday for Saturday Mr Bean.

Thank you Major

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2 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Why have we started having matchday threads two days before the game?

Cos when I asked for suggestions (in the closed season) for how to improve the MDT posting it earlier was suggested in order to give people more time pre-game to contribute. 

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1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Thanks, as always, for a very interesting match day thread.

In particular, I was intrigued by the following little snippet about their benefactor, David Whelan.

When Whelan’s football career, as an uncompromising defender at Blackburn Rovers, was cruelly cut short after breaking his leg in the 1960 FA Cup Final against Wolverhampton Wanderers, he used the compensation to build his JJB Sports business empire.

I don't think I have ever heard that, and I certainly don't recall DW ever mentioning it in the many interviews he has given. 

 

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Whelan played 78 times as a left back, scoring three times, for Blackburn Rovers and was a member of its 1960 FA Cup Final team, which lost 3–0 to Wolverhampton Wanderers. Whelan himself did not complete the game, a feisty challenge from Whelan on Norman Deeley culminated in the Blackburn man being withdrawn before half time due to a broken leg. Whelan's injury is one of many serious injuries suffered by players in the 1950–60 era and was known as the Wembley hoodoo.[5] Following his leg break, Whelan was sold to Crewe Alexandra, where he made his debut on 23 February 1963 in a 4–0 first round League Cup defeat at Port Vale, and notched up 115 appearances through to April 1966.[6] He then retired to concentrate on developing a retail grocery business. 

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3 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Great post, as always, but it’s sad reading. Wigan, had a non league club until fairly recently, has been in the Premier League, won the FA Cup and was the centre of Northern Soul. We, on the other hand, have just had disappointment and the bloody Wurzels! 

Glass half full……..Welsh Cup, Anglo Scottish Cup and Massive Attack ?

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5 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Why have we started having matchday threads two days before the game?

So we can start outdoing one another  by having the most useless (but interesting) facts about the opposition. 

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Bore yourself shitless on these...

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25 facts about Wigan. I have lived in Wigan all my life and only knew about half of these!

 

bullet Wigan is one of the four oldest boroughs in Lancashire, receiving a charter from Henry III in 1246. It is believed to have started life as the Roman garrison town of Coccium. Some of the town's charters are on display in Wigan History Shop, a former Victorian library designed by Alfred Waterhouse, the celebrated architect of Manchester town hall and the Natural History Museum.

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Famous Wigan food products include Heinz baked beans, Pataks Indian foods, Potters herbal remedies, Uncle Joe's Mint Balls, and De Roma ice cream.

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Other well known Wigan firms include Girobank, the Tote, JJB Sports, US glass fibre manufacturers PPG, and carpet firm Milliken. Wigan is also the home of the North West Tourist Board and the Tidy Britain Group.

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Once the centre of the Lancashire coalfield - in the late 1800s there were 1,000 pit shafts within five miles of the town centre - Wigan no longer has any collieries. The last pit, Bickershaw, closed in 1992.

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Wigan was a key battle ground during the Civil War in the 17th century, and Cromwell's troops passed through the town twice. The town stayed loyal to the king, and was later rewarded with a ceremonial sword. Until local government reorganisation its motto was 'Ancient and Loyal'.

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The Verve, whose split was announced recently became Wigan's most famous musical export since ... George Formby! The band were all from the Wigan area and met while at Winstanley College, a sixth form centre on the outskirts of town.

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Other notable Wigan bands include the Railway Children and folk-rockers the Tansads. Wigan Youth Jazz Orchestra is known the world over, while Andy Prior - dubbed the new Sinatra - owes his success to his formative years with WYJO. Nearby Leigh - part of the borough of Wigan - is the birthplace of Georgie Fame.

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In the 1960s and 70s, Wigan Casino was the spiritual home of 'Northern Soul' music, attracting thousands to its famous all-nighters. The casino burnt down in the early 1980s. In the 90s the town gained a reputation as a centre for jazz and now hosts an international jazz festival every summer.

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Well-known Wigan-born figures include entertainers George Formby, Roy Kinnear, Ted Ray and Frank Randle; miners' leader Joe Gormley; and former Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Sir James Anderton. Actor Sir Ian McKellen grew up in the town in a house opposite Mesnes Park.

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Contemporary Wiganers of note include Kay Burley of Sky News; DJ, journalist and TV film critic Stuart Maconie; former Hollyoaks actress Davinia Murphy (who played Jude Cuningham), and Coronation Street's Georgia Taylor (Toyah Battersby) and Eva Pope (barmaid Tanya Pooley). Local MP Ian McCartney is currently a high flier in Tony Blair's New Labour government as Trade Minister.

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Wigan Rugby League FC are the UK's top club side. In 1990/91 they won all the major trophies, and hold the record for the number of successive cup and league wins. In soccer, Wigan Athletic have moved into a new 25,000 seat stadium at the town's Robin Park, which they share with the Wigan Warriors rugby club. It has been paid for by...

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Wigan Athletic's multi-millionaire chairman Dave Whelan, the boss of JJB Sports, whose phenomenally successful chain of sportswear stores is one of the UK's retailing success stories.

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Literary links include George Orwell, whose unflattering portrait of the town at the height of the depression in the 1930s, The Road to Wigan Pier, angered many, and American thriller writer Martin Cruz Smith, whose 1996 novel Rose was set in Victorian Wigan.

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For a town with an industrial image, Wigan's countryside is a constant source of amazement to visitors. The borough has three country parks (including Haigh), more Sites of Special Scientific Interest than anywhere else in the region, and a wealth of wildlife and rare plants.

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Wigan Pier, once a musical hall joke, has been restored as one of the UK's top heritage attractions, winning 15 national tourism awards for its portrait of local life at the turn of the century.

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The name is thought to have first been used by George Formby Senior, a popular local entertainer in his own right. It described not a seaside pier but a small jetty, projecting over the side of the Leeds-Liverpool canal, which was used for tipping coal from railway trucks into barges.

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Thomas Beecham first manufactured his famous pills in Wigan. Marks and Spencer was born in Wigan when Michael Marks joined forces with Thomas Spencer in 1894. For three years the town was the firm's headquarters.

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In 1698 travel writer Celia Fiennes described Wigan as a 'pretty market town built of stone and brick.' Almost three hundred years later the American travel writer Bill Bryson wrote: "Such is Wigan's perennially poor reputation that I was truly astounded to find it has a handsome and well-maintained town centre".

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Wigan is twinned with the French city of Angers, in the Loire Valley. The two councils exchange 'ambassadresses' every year.

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Wigan Metropolitan Borough is the 9th largest Metropolitan district in the country covering 77 square miles. In population terms the Borough is the 12th biggest in the country at around 310,000. Wigan itself has around 90,000 residents.

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Wigan is the most westerly borough in the county of Greater Manchester, lying halfway between Liverpool and Manchester - although most residents still think of themselves as Lancastrians.

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Haigh Hall is the ancestral home of the Lindsay family, Earls of Crawford and Balcarres. The present hall was built between 1827 and 1840.

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Haigh woodlands were laid out in the 1860s, giving work to unemployed Wiganers during the cotton famine caused by the American civil war. In 1947 the hall and its grounds were bought by the then Wigan Corporation and it is now run by Wigan Council's leisure services department.

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Wigan has one of the country's most famous swimming clubs - the Wigan Wasps - responsible for training scores of top swimmers, like former Olympic medallist June Croft.

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And finally.... what's the link between an old-style red telephone box and Wigan's war memorial in the grounds of the Parish Church? The answer is that they were both designed by the same architect, Sir Giles Gilbert Scott (who was also responsible for Liverpool Cathedral).
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20 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

That honour would have to wait until a record-breaking 2002/03 season in which 100 points were put on the board as Paul Jewell’s side swept aside all before them and were crowned champions – destined for the First Division a huge step closer to Whelan’s Premier League dream being realised.

Pretty sure we played them at AG in an evening game that season and they were absolutely brilliant. Certainly worthy winners that season. 

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31 minutes ago, CyderInACan said:

Pretty sure we played them at AG in an evening game that season and they were absolutely brilliant. Certainly worthy winners that season. 

We did - and they were!

Bearing in mind we had a really good team at that time (by far our best season under Danny Wilson, even though we reached the play-off final the following year), I remember that game feeling like a cup tie and we were playing a side from a division or two above.

Must be one of the best third-tier sides I've seen.

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On 11/08/2022 at 15:13, The Horse With No Name said:

Why have we started having matchday threads two days before the game?

Cuz we're better than  them  and theirs only started today; https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/the-robins-h.125948/

For once I’m gonna say those who sit in the West tomorrow are the lucky ones. Predicted to be about 32c at kickoff so the East is gonna be somewhat unpleasant to sit in. As for the game then the weather will play a factor and I suspect full use of the five substitutions will play a big part. Difficult one to predict. On paper one of the ‘easier’ home games we’ll probably face this season and they are on the back of a couple of narrow league defeats. Not sure form counts for much after two matches however. First goal may prove decisive. One nil win, but to whom in not sure.

They're poor at the back on set pieces. I'll go 2.0 Latics McClean and Lang.

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5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Reffed us three times I think, yet to win

1-1 home v Shrewsbury

1-1 home v Blackburn

2-2 away to Preston

Hasn't given a controversial decision against us so far....

Or if your glass is half full: Reffed us three times I think, yet to lose.

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They have recently brought in Broadhead from Everton and Fletcher from Watford, both on loan and both forwards. Will be a tougher test for our defence who will need our midfield to help and "stand" in front of them and be an outlet for them.

We have the players in defence and attack who can score but our midfield is key, going to be a baking hot day, Wigan will be at us from the off.

Solid team performance required to get anything, we are certainly capable, so lets bring home ALL the points. :fingerscrossed: Wigan 1-2 B.C.F.C

 

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Wigan have had an extra day’s recovery as well from their League Cup game in midweek. I don’t think think can be underestimated in the heat, especially when key players like Weimann played the whole game for us on Weds.

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Wigan have had an extra day’s recovery as well from their League Cup game in midweek. I don’t think think can be underestimated in the heat, especially when key players like Weimann played the whole game for us on Weds.

I wouldn't underestimate the extra days rest. It could be a factor late on, five subs helps of course. Strange keeping Weimann on, but he got a goal to keep his run going and confidence high.

I'll go for a 2-1 win with Weimann and Martin scoring.

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I hesitate to use superlatives/clichés like “must win game”, but I do feel we really need something from today’s game. The cup result in midweek was excellent, but of the two games this week today’s is the one we need a result from to really start our season and build momentum.

Head says draw, heart says city 2-1. COYRs.

 

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28 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I wouldn't underestimate the extra days rest. It could be a factor late on, five subs helps of course. Strange keeping Weimann on, but he got a goal to keep his run going and confidence high.

I'll go for a 2-1 win with Weimann and Martin scoring.

Martin ? 

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1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

Not a lot I’d imagine.

850 tickets already sold earlier in the week, guess you can also pay on the day because they have a large ground that’s never remotely full.

Anything approaching 1000 is a very decent effort, I would say.

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850 tickets already sold earlier in the week, guess you can also pay on the day because they have a large ground that’s never remotely full.

Anything approaching 1000 is a very decent effort, I would say.

A long day too, with hydration breaks in both half's 

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14 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Tomorrows ref is John Busby.

Reminded me of my then five year old daughter coming through Gatwick Airport.

My dad was a Coldstream Guard and at Gatwick they had a huge photo of iconic English scenes, which included the CG’s. I said to Hannah (5) ‘Grandad was one of those once’ she replied ‘Did he have to wear one of those big wigs?’?

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Wigan have had an extra day’s recovery as well from their League Cup game in midweek. I don’t think think can be underestimated in the heat, especially when key players like Weimann played the whole game for us on Weds.

They made 11 changes in the week 

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7 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Back four today??

Tanner Klose Atkinson Pring.

With Naysmith in front of them as forward sweeper.

 

 

 

 

 

I would be absolutely amazed if we;

1) made 3 defensive changes,

2) changed formation.

 

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On 11/08/2022 at 15:13, The Horse With No Name said:

Why have we started having matchday threads two days before the game?

Why are they always essays no sane person would read - what a load of shit.

I scroll down to condensed version and start there

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Why are they always essays no sane person would read - what a load of shit.

I scroll down to condensed version and start there

How do you know they are a load of shit if you don't read them? @Jerseybean clearly does a good bit of research to try and match old Hav's work and you are being very disrespectful in calling it shit without cause. 

If you don't want to read them, fine, it's not like it's a surprise what they are about.

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Wigan have had an extra day’s recovery as well from their League Cup game in midweek. I don’t think think can be underestimated in the heat, especially when key players like Weimann played the whole game for us on Weds.

They picked a completely different team in the cup, so either 1) nicely rested or 2) undercooked!!!

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As it stands, they’ve made less signings than us.

Whoever plays up against James McLean is gonna be in for a right battle, very physical, bordering on dirty!

Wonder if the two loanees will start?  If not Magennis will be contesting a lot of aerial ball.  Woukd prefer Klose over Vyner in that respect, as Magennis is pretty slow too.

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Son of Fred

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32 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I would be absolutely amazed if we;

1) made 3 defensive changes,

2) changed formation.

 

OK..keep Dasilva in ?..

Feeling we need to sure things up as it sure ain't solid as we are.

Think going to four with Naysmith screening will help do that.

Genuine question as I don't follow as closely as many on here - is Pring injured??...or on the naughty step??...I think were lacking a little physicality/muscle which he can add.

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11 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

OK..keep Dasilva in ?..

Feeling we need to sure things up as it sure ain't solid as we are.

Think going to four with Naysmith screening will help do that.

Genuine question as I don't follow as closely as many on here - is Pring injured??...or on the naughty step??...I think were lacking a little physicality which he can add.

Pring started in midweek, and played well for the full 90 minutes. Not injured or out of favour, just second choice to Dasilva I think.

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2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Pring started in midweek, and played well for the full 90 minutes. Not injured or out of favour, just second choice to Dasilva I think.

But has been injured most of pre-season hence why he’s only just got back into squad / got minutes.

Could be a nice battle for LWB as season progresses.

Pring gave us a real threat at the back post from right wing crosses on Wednesday night, and I do like the way he plays with physicality.

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