Nige on SSN

[The Journalist]

1 minute ago, Port Said Red said:

It is one of those names though like "Lucatoni", that has you wondering what's so special about them that the commentator is using their full name.

On the contrary - Garth’s problem is that he calls him “Linton” on second mention!

[A Horse With No Name]

30 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

It is one of those names though like "Lucatoni", that has you wondering what's so special about them that the commentator is using their full name.

There are certain players where commentators always use their full name, and the only reason I can think of is it rolls off the tongue better. For example , Harley Dean or Luca Hoole, and the one that always stands out is Solly March.

Edited August 18, 2022 by The Horse With No Name

[Northern Red]

2 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

There are certain players where commentators always use their full name, and the only reason I can think of is it rolls off the tongue better. For example , Harley Dean or Luca Hoole.

Barry Bannan

[The Original OTIB]

17 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

Let people on TalkSport or in the pub say what they want. We know what we’ve seen. I’m wholeheartedly with Pearson on this.

That will be Jordan (for one) who calls Pearson puerile and, as ever, is the arch hypocrite: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/sep/25/newsstory.sport

Perhaps someone can put this on his Twitter feed to remind him.

Edited August 18, 2022 by The Original OTIB
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[Kodjias Wrist]

2 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

That will be Jordan (for one) who calls Pearson puerile and, as ever, is he arch hypocrite: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/sep/25/newsstory.sport

Perhaps someone can put this on his Twitter feed to remind him.

Didn't he admit tp throwing a hot drink at SL too ? Absolute bell end.

[elhombrecito]

52 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

There are certain players where commentators always use their full name, and the only reason I can think of is it rolls off the tongue better. For example , Harley Dean or Luca Hoole, and the one that always stands out is Solly March.

Taylor Moore.

[luke_bristol]

3 hours ago, elhombrecito said:

Taylor Moore.

Johannes Vennegoor of Hesselink

[downendcity]

1 hour ago, luke_bristol said:

Johannes Vennegoor of Hesselink

That's a decent front 3.

[CiderJar]

I'm thinking we should plan a new song for Nigel

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=yp-WJXOb2V4

 

Edited August 18, 2022 by CiderJar

[Northern Red]

"Nige is right, the refs are shite"

[Unan]

On 17/08/2022 at 12:11, Harry said:

There was clear contact by Naismith on the players shin. This led to the player stumbling. Yes, he went down late, but there was clear contact and it was a foul. 

[chinapig]

25 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

And yet we have had a letter confirming that it was not a penalty. That presumably rests in part on the guidance given to referees that contact does not necessarily mean a foul and that there must be genuine consequences. Guidance the match referee presumably hadn't read or chose to ignore.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Contact does NOT equal a foul.  That frame of the photo might be a tiny bit of contact, and as the frames continue, Naismith’s leg is then making contact with fresh air as Teteh is past him. It might be enough for Teteh to feel it, but not to go down. And his delayed reaction was “oooh, I’ve been touched I’ll now fall over”.

 

[CiderJar]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Contact does NOT equal a foul.  That frame of the photo might be a tiny bit of contact, and as the frames continue, Naismith’s leg is then making contact with fresh air as Teteh is past him. It might be enough for Teteh to feel it, but not to go down. And his delayed reaction was “oooh, I’ve been touched I’ll now fall over”.

 

".... but not until I've thought about it for a few more seconds"

[cidered abroad]

This still photo shows how difficult it is to make a judgement from only one angle. A view at 90degrees to that could show that Naismith completely missed the Hull player?

I, personally, would prefer that all sports would return to the good old days before immediate pictures were available to prove a decision right or wrong.

As Ian Botham once said "All players make mistakes and so do referees. But it is only sport!" (Or words to that effect)

But as we have the equipment in use at Premier level, in FA cup games when a Prem team is home, it should be in use at all EFL matches.

[Robbored]

It many games penalty decisions frequently cause outrage with the managers as we’ve seen recently with Nige. Players dive in the box…….. which in itself causes disgust and puts added pressure on the officials.

Maybe doing away with the box completely, just keeping the 6 yard box would remove all the acrimony. Without the penalty box any fouls given are taken from where the foul took place. That would then create situations where the entire defending team are packed on the goal line or where the attacking team have to take the free kick in a more inventive fashion as the defenders can’t move the required 10 yards.

Btw…….before I get shot down, this is just an idea…………..
 

[GrahamC]

23 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Every week at BBC Sport Online, usually after extensive badgering, Crooks would submit a feature called "Garth Crooks' Team of the Week": the 11 best-performing players in the Prem.  It was not infrequent for these teams to feature players who had not played that week, were injured, or in one case - had left the club and country. You'd put in your own choices in those cases, to save GC embarrassment.

Not normally a fan of social media in response to pundits, it can get far too personal & downright nasty.

But the ones you see in response to Crooks & this embarrassing “team of the week” stuff are often hilarious.

He has got an incredibly inflated view of his own importance, never says anything original or worth hearing & seems to have got this gig for life for reasons I will never fathom.

There are plenty of other pundits I cannot stand, Lawrenson was awful, Don Goodman & Lee Hendrie (who even by footballer standards is incredibly stupid) come to mind, but Crooks’ self regard means he’ll always be at the top of this list for me.

[Kodjias Wrist]

29 minutes ago, Robbored said:

It many games penalty decisions frequently cause outrage with the managers as we’ve seen recently with Nige. Players dive in the box…….. which in itself causes disgust and puts added pressure on the officials.

Maybe doing away with the box completely, just keeping the 6 yard box would remove all the acrimony. Without the penalty box any fouls given are taken from where the foul took place. That would then create situations where the entire defending team are packed on the goal line or where the attacking team have to take the free kick in a more inventive fashion as the defenders can’t move the required 10 yards.

Btw…….before I get shot down, this is just an idea…………..
 

One of my mates came up with a similar idea. Keeping both boxes for spacial awareness but essentially any foul inside the box for thr attacking side can be placed anywhere within the 'D'. 

[Kodjias Wrist]

Had a look at the Nigel Pearson thread on Leicester City forum that made me giggle , so thought I would share. They worship him over there bar a small minority. 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/123374-nigel-pearson-here-and-now/page/19/#comments

Heres a couple of screenshots:

 

[downendcity]

On 17/08/2022 at 12:11, Harry said:

There was clear contact by Naismith on the players shin. This led to the player stumbling. Yes, he went down late, but there was clear contact and it was a foul. 

...as there was on Atkinson on Tuesday night. A push in the back is as much a foul as contact with a player's shin

10 hours ago, chinapig said:

And yet we have had a letter confirming that it was not a penalty. That presumably rests in part on the guidance given to referees that contact does not necessarily mean a foul and that there must be genuine consequences. Guidance the match referee presumably hadn't read or chose to ignore.

 

So, despite there being "clear contact on the player's shin", the letter confirms that it should not have been a penalty.

Of course, this is not about proving whether Harry is right/wrong, but it highlights the absolutely ludicrous lack of consistency in refereeing and their application of the laws of the game. If Hull's was a penalty then so was Atkinson's and visa versa.

Then you get the Sykes sending off, where those of my generation will remember, not that long ago, that it would have been regarded as a fair challenge ( one that Gerry Gow would carry out almost every game!). However, the classification of a yellow/red card foul now introduces an element of judgement as to whether the challenge was reckless and/ or endangered the player being tackled. Given that it seems far too many referees have a problem making simple judgements about straightforward decisions ( most are too naive to judge when they are being conned by player simulation) then I wonder how they can judge more complicated incidents.

P.S. The last paragraph is not to excuse Sykes' red card, as the intent was pretty clear I'm afraid.

[Nogbad the Bad]

48 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Had a look at the Nigel Pearson thread on Leicester City forum that made me giggle , so thought I would share. They worship him over there bar a small minority. 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/123374-nigel-pearson-here-and-now/page/19/#comments

Heres a couple of screenshots:

 

They do mostly really like him bar a small minority.

One female Leicester fan has been agitating against him constantly on the BCFC facebook comments ever since he came here.

Obsessive and really quite odd.

[Tully Bascomb]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

They do mostly really like him bar a small minority.

One female Leicester fan has been agitating against him constantly on the BCFC facebook comments ever since he came here.

Obsessive and really quite odd.

Her names not Stacey is it? 

[Sheltons Army]

Couple of interesting comments from Leicester fans

 

Nige gave us a real us against them mentality which I think is endearing to a club of our size, whereas with Rodgers we've been media darlings which I don't particularly like 

Doing the same here ?
 

That's why so many love Pearson over Rodgers. Rodgers would throw his players under the bus to save himself. Pearson would throw himself under the bus to save his players.

Yep, you can see that 

 

 

[ExiledAjax]

2 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Had a look at the Nigel Pearson thread on Leicester City forum that made me giggle , so thought I would share. They worship him over there bar a small minority. 

Yeh. I'm living near Leicester now. Anytime I mention I'm a City fan the first person they ask about is Pearson. He gets as much credit as Ranieri does for the Prem win.

[Sheltons Army]

Not worth a new thread but anyone catch Jurgen Klopp calling out Gabby Agbonlahor about his comments about Man Utd players on a TalkSPORT show, during / after the Brentford 

Pointed out that Agbonlahor was part of a Villa side beaten 6-0 under him and suggested he’s not one to comment on fighting attitude !

Said he almost rang in , shame he didn’t !

Made me chuckle , fair play 

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

Couple of interesting comments from Leicester fans

 

Nige gave us a real us against them mentality which I think is endearing to a club of our size, whereas with Rodgers we've been media darlings which I don't particularly like 

Doing the same here ?
 

That's why so many love Pearson over Rodgers. Rodgers would throw his players under the bus to save himself. Pearson would throw himself under the bus to save his players.

Yep, you can see that 

 

 

I think that's exactly what NP is trying to achieve, all about weeding out the bad eggs or imbalance to enable building team spirit, unity and fight for each other. As much as I dislike Colin, that's the way he got his teams playing, the world is against us, so lets fight for each other.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Wow, Ex prem ref Mark Halsey does not pull any punches in support of NP (may seem to have a bit of a grudge though)

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-pearson-halsey-referee-7486245

[Sheltons Army]

2 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

I think that's exactly what NP is trying to achieve, all about weeding out the bad eggs or imbalance to enable building team spirit, unity and fight for each other. As much as I dislike Colin, that's the way he got his teams playing, the world is against us, so lets fight for each other.

Yep, to me those two comments about him , sort of sum up exactly how I see him , and his core strength

He’s very experienced , and his football knowledge and experience deeper than all of us put together , but I dont think he’s an ‘innovative’ coach or tactical genius , and said before but I think he’s a demander of standards , a TEAM builder , who focuses a lot on attitude and team togetherness

Sounds good to me and for our Club
 

Gary Johnson anyone .....

[Phileas Fogg]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

Yep, to me those two comments about him , sort of sum up exactly how I see him , and his core strength

He’s very experienced , and his football knowledge and experience deeper than all of us put together , but I dont think he’s an ‘innovative’ coach or tactical genius , and said before but I think he’s a demander of standards , a TEAM builder , who focuses a lot on attitude and team togetherness

Sounds good to me and for our Club
 

Gary Johnson anyone .....

As a fanbase we tend to feel a bit better whilst playing the underdog role.

I think historically, as a fanbase we see ourselves as rightfully a middling Championship club - but would rather operate in that situation whilst feeling like an underdog.

The atmosphere is always better when we're an underdog. I think signing players for 7 figures regularly for that weird period from 2016-2020 was a real culture shock to our fans. Add to that having a new stadium and regular crowds of 20,000+.. it all felt a bit alien.

I look back on the Gary Johnson era (where we genuinely did feel like underdogs most weeks) as some of my favourite times watching City. 

[Sheltons Army]

Darren Bent just chatting to Jeff Stelling about Nigel comments 

Fair play to Bent , said he’s played for NP , that he’s dead straight , and that he’s seen some horror decisions not given for us / against us and backs up what NP had to say

 

[chinapig]

59 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Darren Bent just chatting to Jeff Stelling about Nigel comments 

Fair play to Bent , said he’s played for NP , that he’s dead straight , and that he’s seen some horror decisions not given for us / against us and backs up what NP had to say

 

You mean he commented on what Nigel actually said and on the facts? He may struggle for more gigs with Sky then.

[luke_bristol]

6 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Darren Bent just chatting to Jeff Stelling about Nigel comments 

Fair play to Bent , said he’s played for NP , that he’s dead straight , and that he’s seen some horror decisions not given for us / against us and backs up what NP had to say

 

Does anyone have a clip of this?

[Sheltons Army]

17 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

Does anyone have a clip of this?

Unfortunately I don’t - it was during the Saturday pre match build up

 

 

 

On a seperate but very relevant note

Burnley v Blackpool

Almost identical scenario to Tuesday night

Bad challenge from Carey , the Burnley player fouled then jumps up and pushes Carey in the back from behind , quite forcibly , pushing him over ,but not with the force Freeman used , and the usual pushing and shoving melee involving teammates ensues

 

Straight red for both

(Referee was Keith Stroud fwiw)

Consistency ehhhhhh

Edited August 20, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

Unfortunately I don’t - it was during the Saturday pre match build up

 

 

 

On a seperate but very relevant note

Burnley v Blackpool

Almost identical scenario to Tuesday night

Bad challenge from Carey , the Burnley player fouled then jumps up and pushes Carey in the back from behind , quite forcibly , pushing him over ,but not with the force Freeman used , and the usual pushing and shoving melee involving teammates ensues

 

Straight red for both

(Referee was Keith Stroud fwiw)

Consistency ehhhhhh

Maatsen’s was far worse than Freeman’s imho.  Not saying Freeman’s shouldn’t get a red, but Maatsen’s is awful.

[Sheltons Army]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Maatsen’s was far worse than Freeman’s imho.  Not saying Freeman’s shouldn’t get a red, but Maatsen’s is awful.

Not for me Dave - the force , Carey’s stance at the moment he’s pushed meant a less impactive impact for me 

Just had another look at it to reconsider , but less violent IMHO

Good job we aren’t referees 

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Not for me Dave - the force , Carey’s stance at the moment he’s pushed meant a less impactive impact for me 

Just had another look at it to reconsider , but less violent IMHO

Good job we aren’t referees 

Which camera angle have you see in at?  Behind Burnley goal, or cross-pitch.  The angle from behind Burnley goal was the one I saw on Sky just now.

[Sheltons Army]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Which camera angle have you see in at?  Behind Burnley goal, or cross-pitch.  The angle from behind Burnley goal was the one I saw on Sky just now.

Across the pitch - I’ll try and catch the from behind goal one

 

Edit - Seen that one now Dave and agree it looks far worse from that angle as you can see he puts his whole body into it and I’d say red 

I still don’t see a significant difference in amount of force and the danger tho !  
Neither are simple forceful pushes 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Across the pitch - I’ll try and catch the from behind goal one

I agree with you that cross the pitch is looks softer than LF’s.  Sky’s down-the-pitch looks a lot worse (imho).

[Davefevs]

Retrospective action for Jutkiewicz re Bennett red card:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62678617

[Mr Popodopolous]

Rather ironic that Bennett's straight red v Birmingham was much softer than the yellow vs us.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[mozo]

On 20/08/2022 at 13:09, Sheltons Army said:

Darren Bent just chatting to Jeff Stelling about Nigel comments 

Fair play to Bent , said he’s played for NP , that he’s dead straight , and that he’s seen some horror decisions not given for us / against us and backs up what NP had to say

 

I saw that too and yeah it was 100% supportive of Nige's comments and Stelling didn't try to counter it either. Another former pro who seemed to have respect for Nige.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Otoh, saw James and his comments on it the other day. Ludicrous, plus the bit of the clip they played/edited took it well out of context.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Watched the incident back the other day on the City highlights.

Sykes red card had 4 incidents , 3 up to this and obviously the Freeman retaliation- all 4 went against us. In order...

1) Challenge on Atkinson- no penalty. Not wholly convinced it was as some you get etc but anyway penalty given and no Sykes challenge and no red card.

2) Just before the red card tackle, I thought Sykes was sandwiched by two players? He was and while never a red if a foul is correctly given- no bad tackle by Sykes and no red card!

3) If 1 or particularly 2 happen, no red card for Sykes- with the tackle he probably had to go...

4)...Yet if he goes, surely Freeman's retaliation also a red. Wasn't a shove etc but...can't retaliate like that yet then again Bennett we thought couldn't kick out on the ground yet it's only a yellow now.

Just checked again, 5:08-5:16 for incidents 2-4 on the Luton highlights, like I say the penalty maybe or maybe not.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Was the tackle by Sykes even that bad anyway, especially taking into account the conditions. Quite a downpour throughout the afternoon- conditions taken into account or no?

A second yellow I could understand more but a straight red for that in the circs a tad harsh, especially with Freeman's retaliation getting just a yellow.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[The Bard]

On 26/08/2022 at 00:20, Mr Popodopolous said:

Was the tackle by Sykes even that bad anyway, especially taking into account the conditions. Quite a downpour throughout the afternoon- conditions taken into account or no?

A second yellow I could understand more but a straight red for that in the circs a tad harsh, especially with Freeman's retaliation getting just a yellow.

I had my ankle dislocated by a tackle like that. It was bad. 2 footed trying to wrap around is really dangerous.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

9 minutes ago, The Bard said:

I had my ankle dislocated by a tackle like that. It was bad. 2 footed trying to wrap around is really dangerous.

 

This is fair tbh although had the ref done his job on either of the incidents that preceded it, especially the sandwiched foul, Sykes wouldn't have reacted that way...still think the penalty was more arguable.

Then Freeman only gets a yellow? One off both off no?

Although, would it have been a straight red for Sykes 20 years ago I wonder?

Edited August 27, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[cellist]

Both us and Luton fined £8500 for failure to control our players. Hadn't the referee lost any sort of control in the moments before the incident? When you don't give the foul against Sykes, what do you expect? Freeman starts the melee single handedly (or with no hands I suppose ad they were by his side). Wonder if Nige's comments have come back to bite us here 

[Red-Robbo]

14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

Although, would it have been a straight red for Sykes 20 years ago I wonder?

 

Wouldn't even been given as a foul in the 80s. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Wouldn't even been given as a foul in the 80s. 

Before my time but yeah the game does seek to be getting progressively less physical with each decade. Not solely a bad thing but it's heading that way.

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Before my time but yeah the game does seek to be getting progressively less physical with each decade. Not solely a bad thing but it's heading that way.

 

It didn't surprise me that he got sent off, although I think there was no intent to injure, just a mistimed determination to win back the ball having been fouled out of possession by Freeman seconds before. Freeman's reaction was violent conduct though all the day long, and he should've taken an early bath as well. 

[Northern Red]

On 18/08/2022 at 08:03, BCFCGav said:

I get so angry looking at his team of the week every Monday. He just picks 10 players that scored, and shoehorns them into the most ridiculous XI imaginable. If a centre-half scores, then proceeds to do nothing in defense for 90 minutes, he's in. 

As if to prove the point, here's this week's effort. Of the 10 outfield players, the only one who didn't score is Martinez.

[BCFCGav]

6 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

As if to prove the point, here's this week's effort. Of the 10 outfield players, the only one who didn't score is Martinez.

I mean look at that team. Boils my piss. Literally a back 3 and then 7 front men. And he’s being paid to write this!!