Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 They’re in the Prem, mate. Plus their (totally legit) owner is someone who has fought hard to clear his name of those obviously false match fixing, referee intimidating (that bomb that went off at the referee’s business, all a mere coincidence) allegations who has easily passed the EFL’s fit & proper person’s test. Expect plenty of Olympiakos/Forest transfers in the same way loads of players miraculously go between Udinese & Watford. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Amortisation. £140m (or whatever) on players on 4 year deals only costs them £35m per season. Wages too Admittedly but again say 14 players on £60k p.w. Is “only” £42m p.a. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 I know they have the Prem money but they must have spent more than that already if you take into account the wages they must be paying out as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 18, 2022 Admin Share Posted August 18, 2022 I originally assumed they were doing the same as Fulham did a few seasons ago, but was surprised to see how many players they lost as were out of contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just surprised as you rarely see any promoted team into the prem going for it like this. Especially a team that hasn’t just come back up from a short stay in the champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over They are in the prem, winning the play off alone is worth 120 million to the club, then add on prize money and TV money it's probably close to 200 million just for 1 season up there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just now, cidercity1987 said: I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past They are massive compared to us they won a European trophy we've won nothing of note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: They are massive compared to us they won a European trophy we've won nothing of note Isn't that what I said? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past In fairness if we got to the prem we’d have just as many ‘fans’ come out of the woodwork as forest have 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm with you They are basically Bristol City with more success and why wouldn't they be when you compare Bristol v Nottingham, very similar in many ways Fanbase is overrated in my opinion, they have averaged less than 20k in the Champ in the not to distant past Forest are still a big club to be fair to them but i agree their fanbase particularly at this level is nothing to write home about. I said it on a previous thread a few weeks ago but despite what some say on here our fanbase particularly after the re-build and considering the lack of success we have had (30 plus years and counting out of the topflight) is very good IMO. Barring a complete horror season i think we will average 20k plus again at home this season which would be a very good effort. Edited August 18, 2022 by bris red 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 Why have we not seen teams like Norwich or West Brom ever go for it like this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Why have we not seen teams like Norwich or West Brom ever go for it like this? Fulham did it a few years ago Upgraded their entire squad but kept the Championship squad in reserve Got relegated Sold all the new players and went back to the original squad for the next season in the Champ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Was it worth it for the players who got them promoted, busting a gut and no chance of playing Prem ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: Was it worth it for the players who got them promoted, busting a gut and no chance of playing Prem ? 5 of them were loans. Which means you can get promoted when half the team aren't your players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Business model is fairly simple (in my equally simple brain). Spend everything on promotion and hope to be better than the 3rd shittest team. Year two, assuming survival, build for the longer term. If plan A goes wrong and you do get relegated, invoke the fire sale to stave off financial penalties. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Fulham did it a few years ago Upgraded their entire squad but kept the Championship squad in reserve Got relegated Sold all the new players and went back to the original squad for the next season in the Champ Although importantly they neglected to retain a number of loanees or out of contract players- or were unable to, importantly in the case of Fredericks and Targett...probably 2-3 others who were quite important in how the squad was set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over Very true only a couple of years ago they were skint cotterell when manager similar to here had no money to .spend . Edited August 18, 2022 by Cityboy1954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Remember when we got promoted to the top tier...........we signed no *** ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Nottingham Forest Basically they were under an embargo for 2-3 years on and off which helped to stabilise the finances- this was under the old system which didn't have deductions but open ended embargoes until the club had rectified if they stayed down which gave a club a very strong incentive to fix FFP and do so correctly if they were unsuccessful wuth promotion. Then the system changed old to new AND they became quite good at cashing in on youth products. Pushed FFP to the limit- who knows in the fullness of time what proper analysis of their accounts to 2022 will show, they put in for £28m in 3 years in Covid addbacks and claims iirc which could surely in the fullness of time be challenged or amended by the EFL for FFP purposes- remember though they were rather good at sales, especially youth players as I say which on disposal is pure profit. Cooper came in, strong loanees- something just clicked and they surged last season- Cup run helped too IMO, beating Arsenal and Leicester will have put confidence up further- perfect storm, struck while iron was hot. That Carvalho 'sale' to Olympiakos in January however...would be very interesting to see what that was- could it have kept them the right side of FFP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 A deal up to £42.5 million for Gibbs White!! Forest will pay an initial fee of £25m, plus up to £17m in potential add-ons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I really like Morgan gibbs-white but christ £40 million plus is mental money 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, bris red said: I really like Morgan gibbs-white but christ £40 million plus is mental money Fools and their money are easily parted - you'd think what happened down the road would be a cautionary tale on not overspending, they might regret it at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said: Why have we not seen teams like Norwich or West Brom ever go for it like this? Norwich owners can't afford it and West Broms is being investigated for taking ( sorry borrowing) money from the club for o e if his other enterprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 18, 2022 Admin Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, cidercity1987 said: Fulham did it a few years ago Upgraded their entire squad but kept the Championship squad in reserve Got relegated Sold all the new players and went back to the original squad for the next season in the Champ See my post above Difference is Forest lost SEVEN players from last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, daored said: A deal up to £42.5 million for Gibbs White!! Forest will pay an initial fee of £25m, plus up to £17m in potential add-ons. bit dear for a tube of toothpaste...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Is not a geezer a bloke ? There all sh*t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, bris red said: I really like Morgan gibbs-white but christ £40 million plus is mental money I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 13 hours ago, Show Me The Money! said: I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Fulham did the same and came straight back down. The PL is a tough place for any newly promoted club and if they survive the second season up there is just as tough. It’s easy to understand why the bookies have Forest as one of the favourites to get relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Davefevs said: Amortisation. £140m (or whatever) on players on 4 year deals only costs them £35m per season. Wages too Admittedly but again say 14 players on £60k p.w. Is “only” £42m p.a. Trying time follow yourS , mr P’s knowledge and understanding of finances and FFP Alright as long as you don’t get relegated I assume Dave ? Do I follow , and is it that simple , that those deals you highlight (Appreciate you are estimating wages) would mean you are basically dealing with a £77m deficit for each of the following four seasons , in terms of FFP, on the balance sheet (Ignoring any income or other expenditure) ? Bit of a problem in Championship ! A Fire sale I assume , or some dodgy transfer dealing to Greece Edited August 19, 2022 by Sheltons Army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said: Trying time follow yourS , mr P’s knowledge and understanding of finances and FFP Alright as long as you don’t get relegated I assume Dave ? Do I follow , and is it that simple , that those deals you highlight (Appreciate you are estimating wages) would mean you are basically dealing with a £77m deficit for each of the following four seasons , in terms of FFP ? Bit of a problem in Championship ! A Fire sale I assume , or some dodgy transfer dealing to Greece Or some relegation clauses. Wage (and bonus) reductions of circa 50% aren't unheard of. Players may also have clauses that compel the club to try and transfer them out upon relegation. We have hefty relegation and promotion clauses in our players' contracts that respectively give significant increases and reductions upon either event. Not all premier league teams have them, but I'd hope a newly promoted side are using them in any new contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Or some relegation clauses. Wage (and bonus) reductions of circa 50% aren't unheard of. Players may also have clauses that compel the club to try and transfer them out upon relegation. We have hefty relegation and promotion clauses in our players' contracts that respectively give significant increases and reductions upon either event. Not all premier league teams have them, but I'd hope a newly promoted side are using them in any new contract. Plus of course they will be protected by parachute payments. Practically an incentive to overspend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 16 hours ago, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over You see, I used to have a soft spot for Forest because of Cloughie and how he set his teams to play attractive passing football. That soft spot disappeared following relegation when it became very clear to everyone that they have the most entitled fanbase I'd come across at that point. They are rivalled in that by Leeds and Villa now mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Will they gel in time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransferForum Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Back where we belong…. From a very smug and entitled Forest fan. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, TransferForum said: Back where we belong…. From a very smug and entitled Forest fan. A mid table championship forum with absolutely no connection to my club is exactly where I’d be if I were a Forest fan who was ‘back where I belonged’ at this moment. Whatever floats your boat though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Trying time follow yourS , mr P’s knowledge and understanding of finances and FFP Alright as long as you don’t get relegated I assume Dave ? Do I follow , and is it that simple , that those deals you highlight (Appreciate you are estimating wages) would mean you are basically dealing with a £77m deficit for each of the following four seasons , in terms of FFP, on the balance sheet (Ignoring any income or other expenditure) ? Bit of a problem in Championship ! A Fire sale I assume , or some dodgy transfer dealing to Greece 3 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Or some relegation clauses. Wage (and bonus) reductions of circa 50% aren't unheard of. Players may also have clauses that compel the club to try and transfer them out upon relegation. We have hefty relegation and promotion clauses in our players' contracts that respectively give significant increases and reductions upon either event. Not all premier league teams have them, but I'd hope a newly promoted side are using them in any new contract. Saw something this morning that said most of their signings have a 75% wage reduction on relegation. I assume that means they will be on a quarter of their wage and that it wasn’t poorly worded. They must be paying some “wedge” is all I can say. As above the problem isn’t necessarily the wages plus amortisation as they’ll have PPs, but more players not willing to put in a shift “down in the championship”. Whether they’ve negotiated release clauses or not I’ve no idea. Forest will get circa £115-120m (total revenue inc tv this season). If they go straight down, they will only get two season’s PPs (£44m and £35m). That will be eaten by amortisation straightaway. Its a dangerous game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Saw something this morning that said most of their signings have a 75% wage reduction on relegation. I assume that means they will be on a quarter of their wage and that it wasn’t poorly worded. They must be paying some “wedge” is all I can say. As above the problem isn’t necessarily the wages plus amortisation as they’ll have PPs, but more players not willing to put in a shift “down in the championship”. Whether they’ve negotiated release clauses or not I’ve no idea. Forest will get circa £115-120m (total revenue inc tv this season). If they go straight down, they will only get two season’s PPs (£44m and £35m). That will be eaten by amortisation straightaway. Its a dangerous game! Ta , Looks a real gamble , but I’ve been surprised by their apparent spending for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: A Fire sale I assume , or some dodgy transfer dealing to Greece Already a bit of that with the mysterious summer sale of Joao Carvalho to Olympiakos, Forest’s (then) record signing who barely played, then got loaned out to Almeria (who?), he even struggled there but was sold to Olympiakos apparently at a profit. Absolutely stinks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 hours ago, TransferForum said: Back where we belong…. From a very smug and entitled Forest fan. 56 seasons at the top, 58 at the second tier. I reckon you belong in both .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Steve Watts said: You see, I used to have a soft spot for Forest because of Cloughie and how he set his teams to play attractive passing football. That soft spot disappeared following relegation when it became very clear to everyone that they have the most entitled fanbase I'd come across at that point. They are rivalled in that by Leeds and Villa now mind. In fairness to Leeds, their fans have made the most impressive noise I've ever heard at a football match. When they came back to draw with us from 2 down at Elland Road a few years back, it was because their supporters willed them back into the game. Admittedly I've only been to Forest at points when they've been struggling in the league but - despite the entitlement - their ground is a bit of a library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 In respect of Nottingham Forest, a couple of FFP bits. Firstly, their Upper Loss Tariff to 2022-23. I make it £55.5m...the average of 2019-20, 2020-21 then 2021-22 and 2022-23 as usual. Add the 4 ULTs together...£13m x 3 + £35m=£74m. Divide by 4 x 3. Should be back on the usual cycle by 2023/24, so £61m it is- the combined Covid average it is. They could always take the option of a big Impairment to accelerate the write down if it's inevitable they are to drop back to the Championship but they have to be mindful of the £55.5m limit! Some may also depend on how much of their Covid write downs are accepted...I assume that's an on going analysis for all clubs, surely could impact upon their 2018-19, then combined average of 2019-20 and 2020-21 then 2021-22...if it exceeds £39m on further analysis ie adjustment of add-back then that would put them in breach in the year of promotion. Otoh they usually sell well, if they drop maybe they will also sell quite heavily . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, GrahamC said: Already a bit of that with the mysterious summer sale of Joao Carvalho to Olympiakos, Forest’s (then) record signing who barely played, then got loaned out to Almeria (who?), he even struggled there but was sold to Olympiakos apparently at a profit. Absolutely stinks. https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tFP1zcsNjAty87LtTRg9OIryE8vTS1WSMzJTS3KTAQAkCIJ8Q&q=pogues+almeria&oq=pogues+almeria&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j46i19j0i19i22i30l2.6449j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Edited August 19, 2022 by PHILINFRANCE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: In respect of Nottingham Forest, a couple of FFP bits. Firstly, their Upper Loss Tariff to 2022-23. I make it £55.5m...the average of 2019-20, 2020-21 then 2021-22 and 2022-23 as usual. Add the 4 ULTs together...£13m x 3 + £35m=£74m. Divide by 4 x 3. Should be back on the usual cycle by 2023/24, so £61m it is- the combined Covid average it is. They could always take the option of a big Impairment to accelerate the write down if it's inevitable they are to drop back to the Championship but they have to be mindful of the £55.5m limit! Some may also depend on how much of their Covid write downs are accepted...I assume that's an on going analysis for all clubs, surely could impact upon their 2018-19, then combined average of 2019-20 and 2020-21 then 2021-22...if it exceeds £39m on further analysis ie adjustment of add-back then that would put them in breach in the year of promotion. Otoh they usually sell well, if they drop maybe they will also sell quite heavily . Yes ok you obviously know your stuff but...I understand the first sentence, the rest is on a different planet to my brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 19 hours ago, alexukhc said: Will they gel in time? If they sign Ronaldo from Man Utd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Maybe they signed too many. Interesting to see how long they keep hold of Cooper if results don't improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Super said: Maybe they signed too many. Interesting to see how long they keep hold of Cooper if results don't improve. I could see him fitting in at Brighton, I'm still not convinced all those signings were his choice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2-3 now. SKY definitely showing the wrong game tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Super said: 2-3 now. SKY definitely showing the wrong game tonight. A bit ironic that the club who exposed as flawed the idea to splash out big when promoted should now beat Forest who followed the same route. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I don’t really wish Forest any ill-feeling, but I can’t help feeling the way they recruited in the summer was incredibly risky. Financially they will more than likely be ok if they go back down, but it’s the repair job left behind that’s the issue. Could they have focussed on getting 7 or 8 in and embedded those? But 20+ imho is bonkers…you’re signing players who won’t play, and you’re praying they don’t disrupt the rest of the squad. I guess we will have to wait and see. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I don’t really wish Forest any ill-feeling, but I can’t help feeling the way they recruited in the summer was incredibly risky. Financially they will more than likely be ok if they go back down, but it’s the repair job left behind that’s the issue. Could they have focussed on getting 7 or 8 in and embedded those? But 20+ imho is bonkers…you’re signing players who won’t play, and you’re praying they don’t disrupt the rest of the squad. I guess we will have to wait and see. I realise that not all those players will have been his choice but didn't he import alot of players at Swansea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC-Tom Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 They have 31 first team players looking at their OS, so pretty obvious why they signed 21 players albeit that’s a lot of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I don’t really wish Forest any ill-feeling, but I can’t help feeling the way they recruited in the summer was incredibly risky. Financially they will more than likely be ok if they go back down, but it’s the repair job left behind that’s the issue. Could they have focussed on getting 7 or 8 in and embedded those? But 20+ imho is bonkers…you’re signing players who won’t play, and you’re praying they don’t disrupt the rest of the squad. I guess we will have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Fulham have done it a bit differently this time, granted this is their 3rd yoyo attempt and they will have learnt a few things. 7 permanent and 4 loans, somewhere between the two really of keeping faith and building a whole new squad. Granted, an ability to keep in particular Adarabioyo, Reed and Mitrovic then arguably too Tete and Robinson certainly will have helped. When they came down in 2021, I didn't think they would have kept all 5 of those! Rodak and Cairney also have their uses albeit perhaps not as regulars anymore. I think Nottingham Forest might have gambled to some extent and Fulham likewise in 2018 on building a squad not just for this year but for the next few years. As in buy big now, if we stay up a good few of these can get better and better together, integrated, cohesive and it's tweaks not masssive changes in the coming years that are needed. Have to stay up in that 1st season though! Edited September 17, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Fulham have done it a bit differently this time, granted this is their 3rd yoyo attempt and they will have learnt a few things. 7 permanent and 4 loans, somewhere between the two really of keeping faith and building a whole new squad. Granted, an ability to keep in particular Adarabioyo, Reed and Mitrovic then arguably too Tete and Robinson certainly will have helped. When they came down in 2021, I didn't think they would have kept all 5 of those! Rodak and Cairney also have their uses albeit perhaps not as regulars anymore. I think Nottingham Forest might have gambled to some extent and Fulham likewise in 2018 on building a squad not just for this year but for the next few years. As in buy big now, if we stay up a good few of these can get better and better together, integrated, cohesive and it's tweaks not masssive changes in the coming years that are needed. Have to stay up in that 1st season though! I think it’s a question of timing @Mr Popodopolous If we assume the new players do gel it needs to be soonish or it will be too late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I do wonder how much say Cooper really had in all this. I can't think that any manager worth his salt would be happy with a mass of new signings that he has to try and make work, and quickly too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, Northern Red said: I do wonder how much say Cooper really had in all this. I can't think that any manager worth his salt would be happy with a mass of new signings that he has to try and make work, and quickly too. If it works….all of it. If it goes wrong….it was all the DoF’s fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: I don’t really wish Forest any ill-feeling. But 20+ imho is bonkers…you’re signing players who won’t play, and you’re praying they don’t disrupt the rest of the squad. I guess we will have to wait and see. I sort of agree with the thrust of your post but, and I know it’s early days, it doesn’t seem to be doing Ipswich any harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I sort of agree with the thrust of your post but, and I know it’s early days, it doesn’t seem to be doing Ipswich any harm. It did last season…and Ipswich were never gonna be in danger of going down and losing £100m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Oh, absolutely, and that is one reason I am sort of hoping Forest get relegated and, notwithstanding the MA situation, Ipswich fail to get promoted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 I am convinced that Brian Clough will be turning in his grave at how his club are managed these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 19, 2022 Admin Share Posted September 19, 2022 I see the other club that the Forest owners own (Olympiacos) have sacked their Manager after six weeks (15 new signings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Heard something the other day where (I think) the Forest manager was saying that the players are still yet to gel together properly. No surprises there then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 On 18/08/2022 at 17:53, Show Me The Money! said: Apologies if this has been discussed already and another apology as this isn’t City related but I’m baffled as to how Forest seem to be not only buying lots of players (16 now) but also spending quite large amounts of money for a newly promoted club that have a ground not really that much bigger than Ashton Gate. How are they able to do this? I’ve never liked Forest for some reason as they always seem to be one of these clubs that the media seem to kiss the ass off because of Brian Clough and have fans that think they belong in the prem because they won the European cup a couple of times 40 years ago. I’m basically wanting them to get thrashed every week and will be peeved if they stay up because they are basically over spending beyond there means. Rant over What a mess if they go down!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 17 hours ago, phantom said: I see the other club that the Forest owners own (Olympiacos) have sacked their Manager after six weeks (15 new signings) Do they include the loans from Forest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Instead of buying so many players one at a time, it would be more expedient for Forest to buy in bulk or, better still, simply take over a better but cheaper Premiership club, such as Brentford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Taz said: Heard something the other day where (I think) the Forest manager was saying that the players are still yet to gel together properly. No surprises there then..... Can't find a room big enough to fit them all in?.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champfan45 Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 I hope they go down, the only reason they have all that money is from the owner being a big time drug dealer. It seems like they're buying names rather than putting a squad together. Once I saw them linked to the likes of Aurier and Batshuayi I knew they weren't actually scouting these players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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