Eliasson

[Garland-sweden]

He now will be Playing for AEK Athen. Last season he scored seven and had seven assists for Nimes. With another manager then LJ or Holden he could have done it here. Its history but I thinks its interesting to se whats happen with former Cityplayers.

[LondonBristolian]

It's interesting in that I feel he was under-used but I also don't think he'd fit into the current side. Hell of a cross on him and a very good player. Good luck to him in Greece. 

[mozo]

I noticed Monsieur Diony scored in the French Ligue 1.

Another one that we should have kept 

[Garland-sweden]

1 hour ago, mozo said:

I noticed Monsieur Diony scored in the French Ligue 1.

Another one that we should have kept 

He he.

[Garland-sweden]

Just now, Garland-sweden said:

The guy, loan from Liverpool, was also a big as the frenchman ?

[Mr Popodopolous]

Current side no as we don't use wingers, pushed left in a 4-3-3 a genuinely 4-3-3 yes I can see it.

Brentford liked 4-3-3 at our level, wonder how he might have fared there e.g. 

2nd highest assist maker in the whole division in 2019-20 don't forget.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[ralphindevon]

And not all players from these shores go to France and do well instantly.

Kasper Schmeichal had a bit of a mare yesterday, 0-3 down at half time against Marseille and was rated by the local paper, Nice Matin,  as 1/10, the one awarded for managing to get his kit on.

 

[BS3_RED]

Best crosser of a ball I have ever seen apart from Becks ( yes i really do think his crossing was that good). Lacked in other areas unfortunately 

Edited August 29, 2022 by BS3_RED

[SBB]

16 minutes ago, BS3_RED said:

Best crosser of a ball I have ever seen apart from Becks ( yes i really do think his crossing was that good). Lacked in other areas unfortunately 

Critical areas too. 

[Bar BS3]

1 hour ago, BS3_RED said:

Best crosser of a ball I have ever seen apart from Becks ( yes i really do think his crossing was that good). Lacked in other areas unfortunately 

If you discount all the ones he hit the first defender,  until he finally got a decent one in. 

Way too erratic for our level. 

Great went it went right,  but was generally a liability for the rest of the team. 

Exciting type of player to watch,  but not one that many managers will want to have to fit into their team. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

40 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

If you discount all the ones he hit the first defender,  until he finally got a decent one in. 

Way too erratic for our level. 

Great went it went right,  but was generally a liability for the rest of the team. 

Exciting type of player to watch,  but not one that many managers will want to have to fit into their team. 

Wide players by their nature can be a bit inconsistent and mercurial however.

Go and check the most productive assist providers in the Championship, you might be surprised. Yes stats can mislead but his 12 assists in 35 games in his final full season it is highly competitive, put it that way.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Rossi the Robin]

Very good at Judo apparently 

Not sure he was good enough defensively for the Championship 

[bcfc01]

43 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Elliasson will be always the one who got away, 

I'm still upset we got rid as one of the technically best players we've ever had, one of the best crosses ive ever see, could score and is now showing he can do it at different higher levels. 

Still hurts a little.

 

We're immense with WSC or WSM etc imagine having Elliasson and Sykes etc providing balls in for them

You sure about that ?

French second division ?

Greek "super League" is probably the equivalent of the Championship.

 

 

[BCFCOFSWEDEN]

3 goals and 12 assist in his last season. And many of the games he started on the bench because COD was in the line up before him….

[bcfc01]

22 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Sure, he Joined and played for Nimes whilst in League 1 

AEK have regular European, champs league football and are on a upward trajectory after the financial scandals of mid 2010s.

Absolutely different level to us. 

Nope.

Ligue 2 is nowhere near the Championship.

Greek league is similar to Scotland imo with 3 "big" teams (in relatively small stadiums) with the vast majority of the rest with crowds of 5k (or under). 

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/gre-super-league-2021-2022/1/

He hasn't really moved on in that respect.

Yes, he'll get European experience, but he'd get that in Wales.

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by bcfc01

[bcfc01]

2 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Ill try this one more time. 

He signed for and played for Nimes in League 1, the top league in France 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/niclas-eliasson/leistungsdaten/spieler/251813

I can't help your bias nor you negative outlook

AEK are a massive European Club. 

The gymnastics people try and use is beyond bewildering to try and neg players 

 

I said he was a good player for us and I have no negative thoughts at all towards him.

Just saying that he's not gone to a better standard - the Greek league is dreadful, League 2 where he was playing after getting relegated with Nimes is also a dreadful standard.

He's not gone forward in his career imo.

[JackofromSanJavier]

He'll be playng in AEK's stunning new stadium when it finally opens soon.  Looks real classy and built on the old Nea Filadelfia stadium footprint.  I spent many a happy game by Gate 21 as one of AEK's token English idiot supporters back in the day.  Even had my own pre match free beer sponsors at a now defunct taverna in Monastiraki.

If he can avoid some of the local cloggers in the Greek Superleague, Elaiasson could really make a positive difference to AEK's annual stumble towards (and then away from) the automatic Champ League spot.  Best of luck 

[Bar BS3]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Wide players by their nature can be a bit inconsistent and mercurial however.

Go and check the most productive assist providers in the Championship, you might be surprised. Yes stats can mislead but his 12 assists in 35 games in his final full season it is highly competitive, put it that way.

I'd agree that as a stand alone stslat,  it's a comparatively decent return - however,  he did very little else for the team,  whereas others,  I'd suspect,  have better all round contribution stats.

Naismith will probably get more assists than NE did in that season,  this season - yet also offer so much more during the rest of the game aswell. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

27 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'd agree that as a stand alone stslat,  it's a comparatively decent return - however,  he did very little else for the team,  whereas others,  I'd suspect,  have better all round contribution stats.

Naismith will probably get more assists than NE did in that season,  this season - yet also offer so much more during the rest of the game aswell. 

That would be extremely unusual and obviously great for us especially for a ball carrying CB. I can provide the actual stats going back a good number of seasons. 12 for a wide player is absolutely up there. Not many have exceeded it at this level.

This is also fair about all-round contribution and output. He also got some goals albeit not enough. QPR and Bolton at home in 2018-19 were quite clean hits from memory.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Bit of context to the stat, can add plenty more but only 45 players from 2015/16 to 2021/22 have registered 10 or more assists (League only) in a Championship season. Some of these will be players doing this more than once so further reducing numbers. 41-42 I think but check exact numbers.

If you want it expressly over 10, it's less still. It's really not that common. Just 28, in 7 seasons- that's all players, not just wide men- and some of them again more than once.

In terms of players who have exceeded his League assists in a season in all that time, it's 8. Only 8 and some could be more than once, again this isn't filtering by position let alone by starts etc.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Bar BS3]

42 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

That would be extremely unusual and obviously great for us especially for a ball carrying CB. I can provide the actual stats going back a good number of seasons. 12 for a wide player is absolutely up there. Not many have exceeded it at this level.

This is also fair about all-round contribution and output. He also got some goals albeit not enough. QPR and Bolton at home in 2018-19 were quite clean hits from memory.

He'd probably score & assist that many against us in 1 game..! :laugh:

I quite liked him generally. When it came off,  it was great - but overall I always felt he was a liability to the rest of the team. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

15 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

He'd probably score & assist that many against us in 1 game..!

I quite liked him generally. When it came off,  it was great - but overall I always felt he was a liability to the rest of the team. 

Yeah, we can be pretty open at both ends...

That's fair. I also think in and it's a personal bias of mine this shape, a 4-3-3 at that time pushed higher he'd have been even more effective and maybe would have masked one or two of his deficiencies, thinking higher possession Brentford style 4-3-3.

[James54De]

1 hour ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Ill try this one more time. 

He signed for and played for Nimes in League 1, the top league in France 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/niclas-eliasson/leistungsdaten/spieler/251813

I can't help your bias nor you negative outlook

AEK are a massive European Club. 

The gymnastics people try and use is beyond bewildering to try and neg players 

 

Which overall isn’t far off the Championship. 

[redysteadygo]

Depends what you call "assists". A pass precisely slipped between several defenders to pick out a team mate, running into a space he has spotted, to leave him one on one with the keeper or, receiving the ball wide, stepping inside and drilling a left footed cross into a crowded box which happens to find a team mate who has to do quite a bit to get it past the keeper?

I know what I think is a proper assist.

[Major Isewater]

4 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Elliasson will be always the one who got away, 

I'm still upset we got rid as one of the technically best players we've ever had, one of the best crosses ive ever see, could score and is now showing he can do it at different higher levels. 

Still hurts a little.

 

We're immense with WSC or WSM etc imagine having Elliasson and Sykes etc providing balls in for them

I don’t actually think that 7 goals and 7 assists in Ligue 2 consists of ‘ doing it at a higher level ‘. 

[James54De]

10 minutes ago, redysteadygo said:

Depends what you call "assists". A pass precisely slipped between several defenders to pick out a team mate, running into a space he has spotted, to leave him one on one with the keeper or, receiving the ball wide, stepping inside and drilling a left footed cross into a crowded box which happens to find a team mate who has to do quite a bit to get it past the keeper?

I know what I think is a proper assist.

What? Both absolutely are assists, and end in the exact same result. 

[LondonBristolian]

23 minutes ago, redysteadygo said:

Depends what you call "assists". A pass precisely slipped between several defenders to pick out a team mate, running into a space he has spotted, to leave him one on one with the keeper or, receiving the ball wide, stepping inside and drilling a left footed cross into a crowded box which happens to find a team mate who has to do quite a bit to get it past the keeper?

I know what I think is a proper assist.

Both of them, presumably? Any other answer would be silly.

[grifty]

27 minutes ago, redysteadygo said:

Depends what you call "assists". A pass precisely slipped between several defenders to pick out a team mate, running into a space he has spotted, to leave him one on one with the keeper or, receiving the ball wide, stepping inside and drilling a left footed cross into a crowded box which happens to find a team mate who has to do quite a bit to get it past the keeper?

I know what I think is a proper assist.

So I guess Scott didn't get a proper assist for Conways goal. Or Naismiths free kick V Cardiff?

[Bar BS3]

3 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Ill try this one more time. 

He signed for and played for Nimes in League 1, the top league in France 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/niclas-eliasson/leistungsdaten/spieler/251813

I can't help your bias nor you negative outlook

AEK are a massive European Club. 

The gymnastics people try and use is beyond bewildering to try and neg players 

 

How did he get on after that initial move to French L1...? 

I could be wrong, but didn't they get relegated,  with him contributing nothing,  whilst at that level..? 

I'm sure he didn't do well there when he first moved & was shocked at his lack of impact there. 

[Silvio Dante]

There’s a thread on this in the transfer forum, but to reiterate:

- Talk of NE being “the one who got away” or a £10m player is for the birds. If he was that good, he wouldn’t have transferred for £2m to AEK and would have had bigger clubs going in for him. (And yes, AEK are a big club in some respects. But they’re not a big club in the “European” classification and the Greek league is not strong. There have been graphs posted here which showed league relative strength and Greek isn’t high)

- Even if you disbelieve that graph, he’s gone to a club in a league 15th in UEFAs coefficients (see https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022). That league is below (amongst others) Serbia and Scotland and AEK finished fifth. He’s not gone to a giant here.

- The moves he’s had (to a relegated French team and then to a large club in a poor league) show that football in general has that opinion. If he was a great untapped talent, at 26, he would be going to a better league or a better club

- The reason he’s not a £10m player is because positionally he’s poor. He made more tackles than most other players purely because he had to as his positioning was so bad

- That’s not to say he was poor here - his crossing was phenomenal. But he added zilch else. And positionally he disrupted us as Hunt had to get pulled to cover. We were a better team without him in it - people like him as he was exciting, but no top championship side would have him as a starter (see above)

With NE, I often think of how we got him. LJ wanted a player statistically similar to Knockeart. And Knockeart performed very well in a team that could make up for his deficiencies outside of crossing. As soon as that team wasn’t good enough (promoted) or the team wasn’t the same system (Forest, Fulham), he was totally ineffective and got dispatched quickly. If we accept NE is a “worse Knockeart”, then it’s not a stretch to suggest that his level is below. Lower champ, poor European league, French L2. And that’s due to his limitations which are totally evident.

[Dr Balls]

15 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

There’s a thread on this in the transfer forum, but to reiterate:

- Talk of NE being “the one who got away” or a £10m player is for the birds. If he was that good, he wouldn’t have transferred for £2m to AEK and would have had bigger clubs going in for him. (And yes, AEK are a big club in some respects. But they’re not a big club in the “European” classification and the Greek league is not strong. There have been graphs posted here which showed league relative strength and Greek isn’t high)

- Even if you disbelieve that graph, he’s gone to a club in a league 15th in UEFAs coefficients (see https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022). That league is below (amongst others) Serbia and Scotland and AEK finished fifth. He’s not gone to a giant here.

- The moves he’s had (to a relegated French team and then to a large club in a poor league) show that football in general has that opinion. If he was a great untapped talent, at 26, he would be going to a better league or a better club

- The reason he’s not a £10m player is because positionally he’s poor. He made more tackles than most other players purely because he had to as his positioning was so bad

- That’s not to say he was poor here - his crossing was phenomenal. But he added zilch else. And positionally he disrupted us as Hunt had to get pulled to cover. We were a better team without him in it - people like him as he was exciting, but no top championship side would have him as a starter (see above)

With NE, I often think of how we got him. LJ wanted a player statistically similar to Knockeart. And Knockeart performed very well in a team that could make up for his deficiencies outside of crossing. As soon as that team wasn’t good enough (promoted) or the team wasn’t the same system (Forest, Fulham), he was totally ineffective and got dispatched quickly. If we accept NE is a “worse Knockeart”, then it’s not a stretch to suggest that his level is below. Lower champ, poor European league, French L2. And that’s due to his limitations which are totally evident.

However in terms of our Swedish imports NE was still more successful than Engvall…

[Bar BS3]

46 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said:

30 games, 4 goals 3 assists. Not bad in a relegated team it's in the link you quoted 

That is bad in a relegated team & if it's over 30 appearances,  then probably played a fair part in being one of the reasons that they were relegated. 

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

There’s a thread on this in the transfer forum, but to reiterate:

- Talk of NE being “the one who got away” or a £10m player is for the birds. If he was that good, he wouldn’t have transferred for £2m to AEK and would have had bigger clubs going in for him. (And yes, AEK are a big club in some respects. But they’re not a big club in the “European” classification and the Greek league is not strong. There have been graphs posted here which showed league relative strength and Greek isn’t high)

- Even if you disbelieve that graph, he’s gone to a club in a league 15th in UEFAs coefficients (see https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022). That league is below (amongst others) Serbia and Scotland and AEK finished fifth. He’s not gone to a giant here.

- The moves he’s had (to a relegated French team and then to a large club in a poor league) show that football in general has that opinion. If he was a great untapped talent, at 26, he would be going to a better league or a better club

- The reason he’s not a £10m player is because positionally he’s poor. He made more tackles than most other players purely because he had to as his positioning was so bad

- That’s not to say he was poor here - his crossing was phenomenal. But he added zilch else. And positionally he disrupted us as Hunt had to get pulled to cover. We were a better team without him in it - people like him as he was exciting, but no top championship side would have him as a starter (see above)

With NE, I often think of how we got him. LJ wanted a player statistically similar to Knockeart. And Knockeart performed very well in a team that could make up for his deficiencies outside of crossing. As soon as that team wasn’t good enough (promoted) or the team wasn’t the same system (Forest, Fulham), he was totally ineffective and got dispatched quickly. If we accept NE is a “worse Knockeart”, then it’s not a stretch to suggest that his level is below. Lower champ, poor European league, French L2. And that’s due to his limitations which are totally evident.

That is so like what I’d have written it’s untrue!

[jambodinho]

Sunday September 11th, AEK Athens vs Panathinaikos. Eliasson vs Hörður Magnússon. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

@Silvio Dante

Hunt a right back covers an LW for one?

Well maybe.

You cite two random examples in Nottingham Forest who collapsed out of the playoffs that year. Fulham who perhaps went up despite Parker as opposed to because of him. I guess the Knockaert connection.

Brentford? I think he could have fitted there, possession- 4-3-3. 3rd highest assists in 2019-20 at this level. Nothing of course to do with our fairly woeful tactics at times in 2019-20.

I actually think a number of signings in that era who stalled or failed would have done alright there...and a number of those they signed, would have bombed here.

I think we could have had Norgaard and Jensen and some others and we would not have seen the best of them here. Still playing at PL level doing fine.

Clearly with a back 3, Eliasson becomes redundant but...producing 10 assists and above in a Championship season is really quite rare over a 7 year period.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Garland-sweden]

9 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

If you discount all the ones he hit the first defender,  until he finally got a decent one in. 

Way too erratic for our level. 

Great went it went right,  but was generally a liability for the rest of the team. 

Exciting type of player to watch,  but not one that many managers will want to have to fit into their team. 

One must be the manager of AEK Athen.

[Garland-sweden]

3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

How did he get on after that initial move to French L1...? 

I could be wrong, but didn't they get relegated,  with him contributing nothing,  whilst at that level..? 

I'm sure he didn't do well there when he first moved & was shocked at his lack of impact there. 

Nimes was in second division when They signed Elasson. Now AEK Athen one of the best Clubs in Greece. Probably have Eliasson done well in Nimes.

[Bar BS3]

6 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said:

Nimes was in second division when They signed Elasson. Now AEK Athen one of the best Clubs in Greece. Probably have Eliasson done well in Nimes.

Greece is very similar to Scotland. 

It has 3,  maybe 4 clubs of any note. 

As a competitive league,  its a joke. 

Big club,  within Greece - yes - but only in the way that Scotland has a couple of big clubs in an utterly uncompetitive league,  outside the top few sides & then anyone playing for them will find it a doddle to win silverwear by acyually only needing to finish top of a 2/3 team mini league,  because the rest are only there to make up the numbers and are a joke. 

 

Nice move for NE,  but there's no way the Greek league is comparative to the Championship,  in general standard. 

[Garland-sweden]

8 hours ago, Rossi the Robin said:

Very good at Judo apparently 

Not sure he was good enough defensively for the Championship 

LJ send him to Judo training, after that he won often more the ball one against one situations. Eliasson is a winger and better then COD in every inch of the field. LJ and Holden did not think so, they played COD week after week, only God knows why.  COD is in Cardiff and Eliasson in AEK Athen, one of the best Clubs in Greece. Offcause Eliasson wanted away from Bristol City, LJ and Holden did not believe in him.

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said:

LJ send him to Judo training, after that he won often more the ball one against one situations. Eliasson is a winger and better then COD in every inch of the field. LJ and Holden did not think so, they played COD week after week, only God knows why.  COD is in Cardiff and Eliasson in AEK Athen, one of the best Clubs in Greece. Offcause Eliasson wanted away from Bristol City, LJ and Holden did not believe in him.

In fairness to Holden, he switched to a back three and then Eliasson left.  He played a couple of friendlies as one of the attacking-eights.

[Silvio Dante]

40 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

@Silvio Dante

Hunt a right back covers an LW for one?

Well maybe.

You cite two random examples in Nottingham Forest who collapsed out of the playoffs that year. Fulham who perhaps went up despite Parker as opposed to because of him. I guess the Knockaert connection.

Brentford? I think he could have fitted there, possession- 4-3-3. 3rd highest assists in 2019-20 at this level. Nothing of course to do with our fairly woeful tactics at times in 2019-20.

I actually think a number of signings in that era who stalled or failed would have done alright there...and a number of those they signed, would have bombed here.

I think we could have had Norgaard and Jensen and some others and we would not have seen the best of them here. Still playing at PL level doing fine.

Clearly with a back 3, Eliasson becomes redundant but...producing 10 assists and above in a Championship season is really quite rare over a 7 year period.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. He may have done ok at Brentford, but Brentford didn’t sign him so that’s totally irrelevant. Brentford players may have done well or badly here but we didn’t sign them so that’s also irrelevant - all of that is total conjecture.
 

Opposed to that…

The Fulham and Forest examples are because AK went there and failed there as the system wasn’t set to him.

NE played right side in front of Hunt often.

However, ignoring all that, the bottom line is this. Despite the assists, he’s gone to worse leagues and his value is the same as when we signed him. That says to me the general opinion in the game is he’s not as good as some say he is - and the assist stats mask some very big weaknesses.

I’m not saying he was terrible, but the rose tinted “he was a £10m player” or “the one that got away” is well wide of the mark considering the evidence to the contrary 

[redysteadygo]

5 hours ago, grifty said:

So I guess Scott didn't get a proper assist for Conways goal. Or Naismiths free kick V Cardiff?

Yep, proper assist from Scott. Should have made it clear that I inferred a centre from the touch line rarely had any quality of dissecting  a defence to present a player with gilt edged chance. 

[Red-Robbo]

I thought he was pretty nifty - one of the fastest players we've had here for a long time - but as others have said, he'd not fit into a 2022 City squad. 

No need to denigrate the chap, or big him up for that matter, he had weaknesses in his game, but he was younger then and it's pure speculation to wonder whether they'd have been addressed had he stayed here and played for Pearson, or if we'd have released him in the 2021 great clear-out.